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On July 02 2012 07:30 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 06:31 EchelonTee wrote:
Mattchew, adam, ve, katina; is the mK lynch good to you? Something feels a bit fishy; I need reassurance or a cold slap in the face. We narrowly have time for a mass switch; only other option I see as feasible and good is a BM lynch. I don't like the mkmk lynch. I think that it happened all too easily. I don't think he's scummy enough to feel comfortable to lynch D1. There are other good candidates we should be focusing on like BKE or casualman. The general rule with BM is if he is causing chaos in the thread than he's town. So far he swearing and yelling at people and calling people out on their crap. There's more reason to think BM is town than Mafia. It reminds me of when people kept killing VE because he's VE. I would sooner lynch BKE or casualman than BM.
On July 02 2012 01:57 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 01:49 layabout wrote:Current Votes: + Show Spoiler +
(Top: most recent Bottom: least recent)
VisceraEyes ##Vote: BillMurray
austinmcc ##Vote mKmKmK
Vivax ##Vote mKmKmK
Vivax ##Vote Mandalor
Kurumi ##vote mKmKmK
EchelonTee ##vote mKmKmK
Hyaach ##vote mKmKmK
s0Lstice ##Vote: Katina
Adam4167 ##Vote: Mandalor
Mandalor ##vote: BroodKingEXE
MajuGarzett ##Vote: NoSmurfHere
Twelve ##vote: BroodKingEXE
Bill Murray ##vote: BroodKingeXxe
casualman ##Vote: casualman
drwiggl3s ##Vote: BroodKingEXE
ShiaoPi ##vote: BroodKingEXE
rastaban ##vote mKmKmK
BroodKingEXE ##Vote: casualman
VisceraEyes ##Vote: BroodKingEXE
Bill Murray ##Vote Acrofales
Acrofales ##vote BillMurray
Mattchew ##vote casualman
casualman ##Vote BroodKingEXE
Bill Murray ##Vote: VE
Katina ##Vote BroodKingEXE
NoSmurfHere ##vote mKmKmK
VisceraEyes ##Vote: VisceraEyes
votecount:
mKmKmK (7)
austinmcc
Vivax
Kurumi
EchelonTee
Hyaach
NoSmurfHere
rastaban
BroodkingEXE (6)
Katina
ShiaoPi
drwiggl3s
Bill Murray
Twelve
mandalor
Casualman (3)
Casualman
BrodkingEXE
Mattchew
BillMurray (2)
VisceraEyes
Acrofales
Mandalor (1)
Adam4167
NoSmurfHere (1)
MajuGarzett
Katina (1)
s0Lstice
As a member of our great (circus) town it is very important that you put effort and time into your vote. It increases your chance of winning. It is expected of town. It is not very difficult for town. It is benfiacial for town. It is risky for mafia. The more opinions mafia give and the more stances mafia have to take, the more likely they are to give themselves away. Avoiding putting in time and effort in voting is beneficial to mafia. With that in mind, why on earth are VisceraEyes and Acrofales throwing away their votes. Both players are known for domineering and leading threads for better or worse and it is surprising that they are happy to cast votes that will be of little consequence. These players: + Show Spoiler +Katina
NoSmurfHere
Mattchew
Acrofales
Voted very early on and have not changed their votws. I am concerned that so many players are content to leave their votes like this when you consider the huge difference in the information available when they voted to the information available now. Casualman voted for himself. Either he is a townie that is playing to screw with us or he is mafia plaing to screw with us. We should kill Casualman. If we allow players to do that then we will be dealing with nonsense all game and once all of the active players are killed off our lurking brethren will see a bunch of rubbish get confused and lose. I still think we should kill Kurumi but he is at least half playing the game. ##Vote Casualman I have to agree. Atleast BM isn't going full retard like casualman. Casualman doesn't want to play and is just being plain stupid. Plus, he is by far playing the most scummiest so far.
Scummy posts that defend BM
Plenty of players said "I just don't want to read or consider BM" which is completely understandable from a town perspective. Softly calling him town is pretty strange, though. It makes sense from a mafia perspective, since they know he'd return town to checks. Sucks for them that a vig had the sense to shoot him in the face.
One thing I am very interested in now:
Acrofales, now that BM is dead who would you like to kill today? Who qualifies as scum?
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On July 03 2012 12:18 Hyaach wrote:
yes i bandwagoned for the best way out. I could have very well left my vote on mkmk and not give a damn but i didnt. i help town get what seemed to be the better lynch back then.
The better lynch in terms of what? You had nothing to back up your vote. The underlined part gives you no credit whatsoever, leaving your vote on either of us does diddly squat for the town cause you didn't put much in terms of info. You obviously didn't give a damn if you were thinking about a good way out for yourself.
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I've not made excuses. lol you have a case of tunnel vision here. Why not go hunt some of the people that jumped your vote instead?
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I've actually stayed out of the mud sling last night and maintain a clear view. If you want a case, I'll do one.
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On July 03 2012 12:32 Hyaach wrote:
I've actually stayed out of the mud sling last night and maintain a clear view. If you want a case, I'll do one.
Then post! You and ghost jeez....
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BKE serious, Katina's only real act has been attacking you. I had assumed that you would be in favor of lynching her. What I'm asking you for are your thoughts on her. Does her push against you seem scum motivated? If you think so, can you think of a town motivation for it as well?
I've misread Katina often in the past, so make sure she's who you want to vote for.
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##Unvote: Katina
##Vote: Vivax
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Kat basically had stated no reason in voting for me, using you as the only justification. If she's is as experienced as your suggesting, she should be providing more info than "vibes" behind her accusations. It just feels like the whole vote was very soft and she was counting on you to pull it farther than you did. I'll read up on her meta, I guess, if you think my read is off.
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This vote...feels better. I want to lynch Vivax.
For starters, Vivax directly supported BM's (dumb) case against Acro and I. However, in spite of me lurking like a beast in D1 and Acro pushing a BM lynch, Vivax never pushed for either of our lynch. Ever.
Unless this post counts - I've spoilered it because it's big. And you'd think after a big-ass post like this there'd be a vote attached to it or something...there isn't.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 02 2012 00:34 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 23:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Now, this is the ONLY question you've asked me Viv (that I can see), and you've TWICE now accused me of ignoring questions...which is funny because I answer the question in my filter BEFORE you ask it.
So I guess the question becomes: instead of accuse me of "evading your questions" or whatever, why didn't you just look in my filter for the answers you sought? Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 00:29 Vivax wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 30 2012 10:39 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 10:03 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I want to start out discussing newbies. How are we as a town going to deal with players that are not as strong (as we do have a couple in the game)? Personally I think that these players need to be examined for the intent of their posts more than the evidence that they provide. Newbies still need to figure out what types of evidence are valid for examining a person, and we need to look at whether they are trying to draw out info from nothing or if there was actually a scummy read behind it. In the last few games I have played newbies have been lynched from poor evidence when they in fact were legitimately trying to help the town. I want everyone to take this in mind as we deal with newbies. .......I'm kinda having a hard time accepting that you don't have an agenda considering all these factors. FoS: BKE
The case against BKE also started based on a weak claim. How the hell is one supposed to have an agenda when he's taling about policy? Should BKE have posted all lurkers and newbies or what did you expect him to do, VE? My other question concerns your reasons for suspecting BKE. Regarding BillMurray:Your reason for suspecting him is that you think that he tried to start a bandwagon on you. He called you out cause of your selfvote, and so did I. You never defended yourself for your weird self-vote, others defended you instead, like acrofales with this lolpost: Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 17:53 Acrofales wrote:On June 30 2012 14:23 Bill Murray wrote:
VE's selfvote shenanigans is scummy
I do not agree with faking confirmation bias I disagree. A selfvote at this point is completely null: it's the start of D1 when votes mean nothing, and who the hell knows why VE does what he does anyway?However, with all the pre-game "policy lynch VE" stuff going on (it was fun, but lets not take that shit seriously), I think scum could be pushing a VE lynch based on shitty evidence like this. ##vote BillMurray Doesn't look like acrofales has any interest whatsoever in even considering a scum VE, and his next post: Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 19:16 Acrofales wrote:On June 30 2012 18:47 Bill Murray wrote:
your selfvote does not fool me VE
VE + Acrofales scumteam
calling it now Lol. Nice OMGUS. So let me follow your thought process. 1. VE is scum because he voted for himself, which only scum would do to look townie. 2. I call the reason dumb (which I guess could conceivably be seen as a defense of VE, but was more an attack on you. I am still pretty null on VE). 3. Instead of backing up your reason for voting VE with some actual evidence, you OMGUS and conclude that VE and I must be scum together. Do I really need to point out the multiple logic fails in here? Here acrofales says that 1. he doesn't believe that selfvote to be scummy. 2. doesn't want to look like he's defending VE and emphasizes that he doesn't have an opinion regarding him. 3. Goes so far to say that the self-vote can't be used as evidence for anything and that BM's case is OMGUS. Then VE doesn't explain the self-vote and tries to discredit BM with this: Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 19:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
Acrofales, I suggest you leave BM to his insanities. I'm gonna look for scum instead of try and reason with him. Then BM answered with this: Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 19:32 Bill Murray wrote:
Acrofales, it's not OMGUS when I have reasoning
You have chainsawed
You have also set up a chance for a weak ass switch to the BW on BKExe
scummy as fuck
##unvote
##vote acro What's going on atm?A BKE bandwagon. I didn't like acrofales and VE after this.
Notice how he never comments on BM at all. LOL I think it's funny because he specifically says "Regarding BillMurray" and then proceeds to talk not about BM, but instead about Acrofales.
And now his vote is on BKE, because BM's post "looked like scum bussing, with plans to kill Acro after".
Scum. Let's lynch it.
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Yep, read through the meta and it lines up. When she is scum she doesn't dig into the posts as opposed to labeling them. Similar vagueness in this game.
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broodking get off of ve's cock. seriously
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I'd like you to comment on Vivax casual.
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Dude, BM predicted BKE would flip scum when he thought that it was too late to save him.
He did that to gain support among townies for an acro lynch.
That can only mean he knew about your alignment, and so do I now.
Why don't you realize it and gg out, or do you prefer giving us some more info?
Maybe you have some kind of extraordinary defense regarding this one?
@VE
BM points to the next scum with something that can be considered a major mistake, you prefer to pick me for defending BKE together with him in earlygame.
I still think the arguments against BKE were bad at the time. They all depended on one's definiton of a newbie.
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On July 03 2012 15:15 Vivax wrote:
Dude, BM predicted BKE would flip scum when he thought that it was too late to save him.
He did that to gain support among townies for an acro lynch.
That can only mean he knew about your alignment, and so do I now.
Why don't you realize it and gg out, or do you prefer giving us some more info?
Maybe you have some kind of extraordinary defense regarding this one?
@VE
BM points to the next scum with something that can be considered a major mistake, you prefer to pick me for defending BKE together with him in earlygame.
I still think the arguments against BKE were bad at the time. They all depended on one's definiton of a newbie.
What is this I don't even...
Vivax, you're calling BKE scum and defending him in the same post do you realize this? Why would you go to the effort of defending him while you're literally in the middle of spearheading his lynch?
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That is what i thnk about vivax
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Really Casual? Because it sounded to me like you wanted to lynch me today, not BKE. What's with the change of heart?
And "We lynch BKE today" doesn't tell me what you think of Vivax, regardless of what you're implying.
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I read since the daypost. Whoever shot BM: thank you for listening.
I'll talk about the lynch candidates when I have read the end of the night too (like... 5 pages. What happened there?) in a second. Some things in my earlier Vivax case no longer line up, so have to look that over. Katina has been flying largely under my radar, so I'll have to reread her filter. A link to the case wyould be grand. Also have to take another look at BKE.
Has grush done anything other than ask how the ringleader bowed post-death?
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I wish casualman would not vote. That's one player I can't read and he's incredibly annoying.
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Thoughts as I'm reading:
ghost_403 is suspicious of ET. I want to see his case, as I have a slight town read on ET, based largely on how he was arguing in favour of sanity with wiggl3s. Now that wiggl3s flipped town I'm not sure whether that was a scum shitting up the thread by getting into a dumb argument or two townies going at it. Ghost, why do you think ET is scum?
At least if ghost is posting I might be able to whipe out the "null" read next to his name.
Ghost's case on ET seems decent. Ghost: what do you make of ET's behaviour at night? I was largely null until his argument with wiggl3s. Bandwagoning onto Fox instead of mK is pretty null to me. I jumped on from the BM lynch which was going nowhere and picked Fox mainly based on marv being active and pushing it. They were both lurker lynches (and turns out the kenpachi rule fails just as badly on mK as the hipocrisy argument did for the fox lynch).
Scum has no reason to switch, but no reason to stay either.
Ghost: I want your opinion on ET's night fight with wiggl3s. BM's flip and your claiming to shoot him makes me think you're town, so lets have your opinion and more activity in the thread.
NoSmurf is bugs? I kinda saw that one coming. Was unsure between bugs and palmar, but clearly not a "not a smurf"  So now that bugs is out, he gives a meta read on Katina. I don't know about the meta read, but what the hell was this:
On July 03 2012 08:40 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2012 07:56 Twelve wrote:I just honestly think im gonna get killed tonight because of how hard I was hounding BKE, who i still think is scum. NoSmurfsHere defends BKE multiple times, and ultimately is the one who started the foxtrotter bandwagon. His post seems EXTREMLY suspicious given what we know to be true now. On July 02 2012 09:08 NoSmurfHere wrote:
Alright, here's the thing:
If mK comes back to vote he's 100% scum. I'm banking on him getting modkilled to even consider this a decent idea. Probably a stupid idea, but w/e. I don't like the BKE lynch and the only reasonable alternative now is foxtrotter.
I say that (particularly if fox flips town) we need to get a vig to shoot mK.
##unvote
##vote Foxtrotter Bright side: We will have a direction and know who to lynch when day comes. Whoever dies tonight, we need to go back and look through their filter.
This is utter drivel filler. She clearly read the thread to get to Twelve's nonsense fear of dying (still not sure whether that's a paranoid useless townie, or scum theatrics, but lets talk about Katina). She didn't touch any of the interesting topics of the thread: mainly what to think of drwiggl3s or have a chat with the lonely ghost_403, but posted this nonsense instead. I'd like to hear from other people with some experience playing with her, but this set alarmbells off in my head after Katina had been flying largely under the radar.
Big surprise here, VE thinks Bugs is scum. Who'd've thunk that would happen after bugs claims?! Then VE backs down from the read. Mind at least telling us WHY you thought bugs was scum, but later you didn't anymore? You don't need to go all crazy townie spammer on us, just a quick explanation of why bugs was scummy and then looked townie. You and he have a pretty long history and, despite going nuts in the MTG game, I think it's usually interesting to see what you two have to say about each other.
BKE going at ghost pretty hard. I somewhat agree on the case. Later edit: hrmmm, going after the guy who shot BM. On the other hand, why would a scum BKE do this? Maybe just bad luck on picking the vigi to make a case on?
Will take another look at BKE, Vivax, Katina and ET and post my thoughts during the day.
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