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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 22 2012 09:34 GMT
#1512
Okay wait hiro why would we go along with any plan that involves one of us dying? It puts all our chances in he basket of hoping scum are playing reasonably, which I'm not sure I'm comfortable with.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 22 2012 14:04 GMT
#1536
Okay but seriously
Someone explain to me please why I would risk my life to help town? Town cred is only useful to me to avoid getting either hiro or myself lynched. But if one of us died to the vengeful townie it's exactly as bad for us as one of us getting lynched.

Like, I want town to win, I guess, because they're already so far ahead so the game will end faster, and also because scum won the last game I played, which was annoying. But I don't see how risking my life to help town is in line with my win condition.

To Acro: I'm afraid of two things. First, that there might be some anti-survivor third party out there with KP, probably ghost, since otherwise it seems weird that there would be a bulletproof survivor and two linked survivors. Second, that scum might decide to be a dick and say "if I'm not going to win neither will you trololol" and kill hiro once I'm dead.

Sure it's not the biggest risk, but I really don't see the upside.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 22 2012 16:28 GMT
#1566
On June 23 2012 00:51 Acrofales wrote:
Well, if he doesn't make it for the deadline he gets modkilled. I'm okay with that too


According to zephirdd he already voted for himself.

I'm voting for xkcd now as a placeholder, these plans sound good but I'll check in at lunchtime to see if they've changed at all.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 22 2012 16:29 GMT
#1567
@tali I don't usually vote too long before the deadline unless I'm making a case or other pressure.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 22 2012 17:06 GMT
#1577
I'm changing my vote to make sure its spelled correctly.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 22 2012 18:55 GMT
#1617
Hey Drazerk how about this for a crazy theory: talis and decon are buddies on one of your imaginary kp-less scum teams! Talis's "let's all make up a case" plan is super anti town (I only went along with it cause I am survivor) and it would explain why decon isn't doing shit despite being pretty much "confirmed".

No I don't think this is true but it's something to think about.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 22 2012 18:56 GMT
#1619
Yeah can you get an extra win if you don't win in the first place? I don't think nisani thought this one out. Why the shit would he claim to be third party when he's actually town? It goes the other way around trololol.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 22 2012 22:59 GMT
#1637
What are the things everyone is holding?
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 22 2012 23:06 GMT
#1638
It's really too bad Drazerk is like 100 percent confirmed town at this point... Now I have to find another townie to tunnel.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 22 2012 23:07 GMT
#1639
Or I guess I could actually look for scum...
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 22 2012 23:13 GMT
#1640
Wait I just thought of the funniest fucking thing. If I'm right Forumite is a comedy genius.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 22 2012 23:27 GMT
#1642
On June 23 2012 08:18 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2012 08:13 strongandbig wrote:
Wait I just thought of the funniest fucking thing. If I'm right Forumite is a comedy genius.


Do tell...


Actually I'm probably wrong, on more thought. It wouldn't make sense. Nevermind.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 23 2012 17:07 GMT
#1654
Just wait a second. Knowledge bombs are incoming.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 23 2012 17:42 GMT
#1659
So here's my theory. Forumite refused to answer my question and Zeph hasn't gotten back to me yet, but I don't expect him to be helpful either.

My theory is that Forumite trolled us with the setup in two more ways than we thought.

Troll number one: he didn't actually randomize the roles. Instead, he just put the roles in order on the signup list: third party, town, scum.

This leads directly to troll number two:
Drazerk is not the Vanilla Townie. Instead, he is the Vanilla Townie.

This is what Forumite wouldn't answer: he wouldn't confirm to me that the colors on the rolenames in the OP were alignment indicative, and the OP itself only says that the "roles" are present, not the "roles and alignments". I also think that the reference to the third party planer dragon in the OP is a hint to the vanilla townie thing - Maju's scum buddy probably has "scum" somewhere in the name, since in Maju's role PM it said they win when "scum outnumber the remaining town" or something like that, but the only reference in the PM to Maju being on the "scum" faction was that acronym.

I have a few pieces of supporting evidence for this claim. First, Drazerk's play; I've made my opinions clear on that pretty much the whole game. Second, how defensive he was when I started attacking him on day 1. Third, his attempts to get us to treat him as if he was confirmed by the Phoenix Wright check, when it actually said nothing at all about his alignment.

I think that the Vanilla Townie is probably an anti-town role, and that it either has limited KP or Drazerk has been saving his KP in order to confuse us (the VisceraEyes school of serial killing). Actually, I think that it's similar to KB's role, with a wincon that involves killing off other third party players and another wincon that involves surviving until the end of the game (and thus having town lose).

This theory would also require Ghost/Fourface to be the last scum. I'll let you guys evaluate this yourself, but I think it makes sense. Bulletproof survivor is a pretty good claim for scum to make, since if he was going to get hit by a bullet at night he would lose anyway so it's no risk to him to claim it. Additionally, I can't see fourface's claim of insane bulletproof DT making any sense from a neutral-third-party point of view.

There are several easy ways to get information about this theory. If there are two KP tonight and one of them hits either Hiro or myself, then I'm definitely correct. If there aren't, then we can just scumhunt normally; if we find the mafia and it's not Ghost then I'm clearly wrong, and if Ghost is the mafia and the game doesn't end then we lynch Drazerk.

Finally, Drazerk would you please post this again:
On June 20 2012 03:15 Drazerk wrote:
##I had fun

I want to see if you get a response from the hosts. There's a chance that the hosts don't tell him how many players he has to outlive, and he can ask them by posting this. Alternatively if there's some other reason you posted this please do tell us.
Either way this last bit isn't really key to the main theory.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 23 2012 17:44 GMT
#1660
Also Drazerk spent a lot more time than anyone else trying to figure out who was third party on N0, rather than trying to figure out who was scum.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 23 2012 18:14 GMT
#1667
Well okay then.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 23 2012 18:23 GMT
#1668
So I guess we should lynch whoever got roleblocked?
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 23 2012 23:35 GMT
#1683
Well that makes it pretty straightforward doesn't it?

Either Hyaach is scum and held his kp so we would shoot ghost or xkcd is scum and lying about being detective.

But since we already know who was framed and xkcd claims he checked biosc to confirm his sanity, this makes everything straightforward.

Guess this puts the kibosh on my crazy "Forumite just went down the list in order" theory.

Anyway doesn't this mean that town wins, barring some fourface-level dumbass town play going on here?

Scum feel like conceding?
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 24 2012 00:06 GMT
#1688
On June 24 2012 08:52 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2012 08:35 strongandbig wrote:
Scum feel like conceding?


If i have learnt one thing over the years it is that people who say this are normally scum


Way to comment on the relevant issues and questions confronting the town, bro.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
June 24 2012 00:32 GMT
#1693
[b]Vanilla Town[b] still not ruled out of the question. Why focus so much on the third party players. Probably because you're one of us.
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