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grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
June 09 2012 21:08 GMT
#181
On June 10 2012 05:54 Release wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2012 05:47 s0Lstice wrote:
Grush, the best way to defend yourself is to hunt scum. Spend your time doing that, not wasting all of your time responding to Release.

Should that go in the Mafia QT?

But if he does turn out to be scum, we shouldn't be giving him advice. That's what the post game is for.

That post was useless. Don't give information to the enemy? Wow, never thought of that.
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
June 09 2012 21:16 GMT
#182
Oh wow, thread got really active while I was cheering on the Germans.

What I would suggest right now is to stop tunneling grush for the time and add some pressure to ha236. I am still waiting for answers regarding my question and his post is basically the statement that he is ready to jump on grush if he gets to be the primary lynch candidate.

Not saying that I am clearing grush from the suspicions but he cannot contribute that much if he keeps defending, give him some leeway until we really have to consolidate on a lynch and see what he can cook up.
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Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
June 09 2012 21:39 GMT
#183
On June 10 2012 06:08 grush57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2012 05:54 Release wrote:
On June 10 2012 05:47 s0Lstice wrote:
Grush, the best way to defend yourself is to hunt scum. Spend your time doing that, not wasting all of your time responding to Release.

Should that go in the Mafia QT?

But if he does turn out to be scum, we shouldn't be giving him advice. That's what the post game is for.

That post was useless. Don't give information to the enemy? Wow, never thought of that.

Solstice clearly didn't think of that.

Another sarcastic remark?
What happened to answering those questions?
Why aren't you hunting scum?
Why haven't you provided any analysis?

+ Show Spoiler +
Blazinghard, if you are still watching this, you might get your wish from mafia LV
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grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
June 09 2012 21:40 GMT
#184
On June 10 2012 06:03 Release wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2012 04:54 s0Lstice wrote:
Very happy to see that the discussion has picked up.

Now I want to talk about ha236

Let's look at his post on grush and LazerMonkey.

On June 09 2012 23:09 ha236 wrote:
As a first time player I probably would have made the same mistake grush did (I don't know if this is his first time but w/e) and say that there is nothing to talk about on the first day, but as Release said that obviously puts us in a bad situation when no one is posting at all. Also the content of grush's posts has been pretty lackluster but again, seeing as this is a noob-game I think that's something we have to expect.


This is a soft defense of grush, based on the sentiment that a first time player makes mistakes, yet you don't care enough to check if this really is his first game? How is that 'w/e' when your defense of him relies on qualifying the mistakes he is making as first time player mistakes?

Then you talk about LaserMonkey..
On June 09 2012 23:09 ha236 wrote:
After this discussion ended we tasted some new blood in the thread - Lazermonkey and Zen man. While not being able to get a good "read" on any of you two (you not having posted much yet) some of Lazermonkey's comments on the Release-grush discussion seemed strange to me.



On June 09 2012 11:38 grush57 wrote:
(What case?)
Whats to talk about, seriously give me something lol. People are lurking? Yeah mlg is on and it's not even 3 hours

So your third post is this. Now you changed your mind. It's fine if people lurk.


He does not say that it is "fine if people lurk". My interpretation of the sentances is that he does not know what to post about and then proposes the subject of why people are not posting and offers his explanation (being that the game just started, people might not be by the computer and even if they are they may be watching MLG).


On June 09 2012 13:55 grush57 wrote:
K well it's hard to do with half the people didn't even post yet. I wouldn't be suprised if the 2 mafia are in those lurkers.

So now you are once again really suspicious of people not posting. Also if there are two mafia among the lurkers it means that you have a townread on s0Lstice, KtheZ and Release. Correct?

In this paragraph Lazermonkey is trying to make the rest of us believe that grush said something he has not, that he is "suspicious of people not posting". Grush says he "wouldn't be surprised if the two mafia are in those lurkers" and from this Lazermonkey believes him to have a town read on the rest of the posters at that time.

Lastly, I like the way Lazermonkey explained his stance on lurkers (two different kinds) however I don't think you can justifiably apply the one about posting stuff with no actual content so early on in the game and I ultimately agree that grush has been changing his stance on whether it is good or not to lynch lurkers.


Very loud contradiction. If Lazermonkey's comments are strange then why are you agreeing with them? Why did you defend grush if you think Lazermonkey has something there?

##FoS: ha236




To check if this really is Grush's first game is a tremendous waste of time. There are far too many game to check. (i believe we have 55 regular mafias and 15 newb ones.)
To me it looks like he is trying to buddy up to grush but i can't be sure of that.
I agree; playing the noob card as reasoning is too much assumptions.

It looks more like the two quoted posts are strange (and putting words in grush's mouth) but the agreement is that grush has been wishy-washy.

I think ha is setting himself to jump on the bandwagon if there is one, or to avoid starting one if there isn't.

How is checking me if that was a noob mistake or not a tremendous amount of time?
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
June 09 2012 21:40 GMT
#185
On June 10 2012 06:39 Release wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2012 06:08 grush57 wrote:
On June 10 2012 05:54 Release wrote:
On June 10 2012 05:47 s0Lstice wrote:
Grush, the best way to defend yourself is to hunt scum. Spend your time doing that, not wasting all of your time responding to Release.

Should that go in the Mafia QT?

But if he does turn out to be scum, we shouldn't be giving him advice. That's what the post game is for.

That post was useless. Don't give information to the enemy? Wow, never thought of that.

Solstice clearly didn't think of that.

Another sarcastic remark?
What happened to answering those questions?
Why aren't you hunting scum?
Why haven't you provided any analysis?

+ Show Spoiler +
Blazinghard, if you are still watching this, you might get your wish from mafia LV

LOL.
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
June 09 2012 21:42 GMT
#186
I'm not even going to bother with you anymore.
I don't think you are scum though, a bit bold for scum.
Hyaa and the one lurker left for scum team!
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
June 09 2012 21:44 GMT
#187
On June 10 2012 06:16 ShiaoPi wrote:
Oh wow, thread got really active while I was cheering on the Germans.

What I would suggest right now is to stop tunneling grush for the time and add some pressure to ha236. I am still waiting for answers regarding my question and his post is basically the statement that he is ready to jump on grush if he gets to be the primary lynch candidate.

Not saying that I am clearing grush from the suspicions but he cannot contribute that much if he keeps defending, give him some leeway until we really have to consolidate on a lynch and see what he can cook up.

he hasn't been defending though. He's been posting filler all day long, apparently without any of his own opinions. He has had plenty of time to cook something up. But he hasn't. That's why, i will continue to question his actions.

On ha236, i have pressured him some (on his post and solstice's post on his post). He is suspicious, but as of now, Grush is far more so.
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Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
June 09 2012 21:44 GMT
#188
On June 10 2012 06:42 grush57 wrote:
I'm not even going to bother with you anymore.
I don't think you are scum though, a bit bold for scum.
Hyaa and the one lurker left for scum team!

Avoiding answering my questions again. That's the spirit!
☺
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
June 09 2012 21:46 GMT
#189
[QUOTE]On June 10 2012 04:43 Lazermonkey wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 10 2012 04:35 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Lazermonkey seems to make his own conclusions about grush, without it being the truth, as ha236 stated. His latest comments about the "i wouln't be suprised" quote is strange. Grush simply said that the scum might be among the ones that had not posted, but you just jumped to the conclusion that he meant that everyone that had posted was his townread.

You also jumped to conclusion when grush wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 09 2012 11:38 grush57 wrote:
(What case?)
Whats to talk about, seriously give me something lol. People are lurking? Yeah mlg is on and it's not even 3 hours [/QUOTE]So your third post is this. Now you changed your mind. It's fine if people lurk.
[QUOTE][B]

Where you assumed his stance was changed on lurkers. I think he only wanted to state a reason for people not posting.

I agree that grush seemed scummy, but don't try to come up with conclusion that are not true.[/QUOTE]
Did you even read my answer to ha236? I feel like I have already answered all of your questions...
[/QUOTE]

Did you read my post? I merely posted my opinion on you, i didn't post ask question. But it is good that you answered my imaginary questions.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5250 Posts
June 09 2012 21:51 GMT
#190
Try using the preview button before posting, to see if it's formatted correctly.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
June 09 2012 21:53 GMT
#191
On June 10 2012 06:42 grush57 wrote:
I'm not even going to bother with you anymore.
I don't think you are scum though, a bit bold for scum.
Hyaa and the one lurker left for scum team!


Why do you continue to just deflect attention from you onto the lurkers? I know I advocated to stop tunneling you but it is getting annoying, just post something useful for town.

ha236 seems to have disappeared anyway.
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TL+ Member
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
June 09 2012 22:24 GMT
#192
When does day end?
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
June 09 2012 22:28 GMT
#193
24 hours about
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ha236
Profile Joined June 2012
Sweden36 Posts
June 09 2012 23:04 GMT
#194

Show nested quote +

On June 09 2012 23:09 ha236 wrote:
As a first time player I probably would have made the same mistake grush did (I don't know if this is his first time but w/e) and say that there is nothing to talk about on the first day, but as Release said that obviously puts us in a bad situation when no one is posting at all. Also the content of grush's posts has been pretty lackluster but again, seeing as this is a noob-game I think that's something we have to expect.


This is a soft defense of grush, based on the sentiment that a first time player makes mistakes, yet you don't care enough to check if this really is his first game? How is that 'w/e' when your defense of him relies on qualifying the mistakes he is making as first time player mistakes?


Because, like you said, I didn't care enough to check it, why would I want to defend anyone this early in the game. Since this is a noob game I assume noob mistakes will be made.


Then you talk about LaserMonkey..
On June 09 2012 23:09 ha236 wrote:
After this discussion ended we tasted some new blood in the thread - Lazermonkey and Zen man. While not being able to get a good "read" on any of you two (you not having posted much yet) some of Lazermonkey's comments on the Release-grush discussion seemed strange to me.

Show nested quote +


He does not say that it is "fine if people lurk". My interpretation of the sentances is that he does not know what to post about and then proposes the subject of why people are not posting and offers his explanation (being that the game just started, people might not be by the computer and even if they are they may be watching MLG).

Show nested quote +

In this paragraph Lazermonkey is trying to make the rest of us believe that grush said something he has not, that he is "suspicious of people not posting". Grush says he "wouldn't be surprised if the two mafia are in those lurkers" and from this Lazermonkey believes him to have a town read on the rest of the posters at that time.

Lastly, I like the way Lazermonkey explained his stance on lurkers (two different kinds) however I don't think you can justifiably apply the one about posting stuff with no actual content so early on in the game and I ultimately agree that grush has been changing his stance on whether it is good or not to lynch lurkers.


Very loud contradiction. If Lazermonkey's comments are strange then why are you agreeing with them? Why did you defend grush if you think Lazermonkey has something there?


Obviously I meant that I disagreed with many of the points he made while agreeing on the big picture "issue".


I think ha is setting himself to jump on the bandwagon if there is one, or to avoid starting one if there isn't.


I feel like you're that implying starting the bandwagon (coming up with a argument that other people seem plausible) is a bad thing. If so, what's the meaning of talking at all?
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ha236
Profile Joined June 2012
Sweden36 Posts
June 09 2012 23:08 GMT
#195
On June 10 2012 06:53 ShiaoPi wrote:


ha236 seems to have disappeared anyway.


This was useful.
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ha236
Profile Joined June 2012
Sweden36 Posts
June 09 2012 23:13 GMT
#196
EBWOP (this acronym correct?)


Show nested quote +

I think ha is setting himself to jump on the bandwagon if there is one, or to avoid starting one if there isn't.


I feel like you're that implying starting the bandwagon (coming up with a argument that other people seem plausible) is a bad thing. If so, what's the meaning of talking at all?


I misread, didn't see "avoid" in your post, for some reason. So I'll instead ask why you don't think I am.
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ha236
Profile Joined June 2012
Sweden36 Posts
June 09 2012 23:21 GMT
#197
On June 10 2012 06:16 ShiaoPi wrote:
Oh wow, thread got really active while I was cheering on the Germans.

What I would suggest right now is to stop tunneling grush for the time and add some pressure to ha236. I am still waiting for answers regarding my question and his post is basically the statement that he is ready to jump on grush if he gets to be the primary lynch candidate.

Not saying that I am clearing grush from the suspicions but he cannot contribute that much if he keeps defending, give him some leeway until we really have to consolidate on a lynch and see what he can cook up.


I do not know which question you are reffering to as there is no questionmark in your previous post in reponse to my post. Just out of curiousity, why do you want to "add some pressure" to me?
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Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
June 09 2012 23:22 GMT
#198
On June 10 2012 08:04 ha236 wrote:

Show nested quote +

I think ha is setting himself to jump on the bandwagon if there is one, or to avoid starting one if there isn't.


I feel like you're that implying starting the bandwagon (coming up with a argument that other people seem plausible) is a bad thing. If so, what's the meaning of talking at all?


No. I'm not saying that starting the bandwagon is a bad thing. If i did, i would be praising you, which i obviously wasn't.
Actually, how do my words translate to the bolded phrase?
I'm saying that you are leaving yourself open to either lynch or not lynch grush and use either part of the post to support your actions.

Scum team is Grush and Ha236. This game is over.

☺
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
June 09 2012 23:26 GMT
#199
Ok, i didn't refresh, so now i respond to the post you just made:

Grush is the person with the question mark over his head (more like a red and white target board w/e) but you seem perfectly content to let him live on the basis that he is making noob mistakes. This is where you can defend yourself for not voting grush.

However, you send some light criticism his way, just in case you do want to vote for him.

☺
ha236
Profile Joined June 2012
Sweden36 Posts
June 09 2012 23:27 GMT
#200
On June 10 2012 08:22 Release wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2012 08:04 ha236 wrote:


I think ha is setting himself to jump on the bandwagon if there is one, or to avoid starting one if there isn't.


I feel like you're that implying starting the bandwagon (coming up with a argument that other people seem plausible) is a bad thing. If so, what's the meaning of talking at all?


No. I'm not saying that starting the bandwagon is a bad thing. If i did, i would be praising you, which i obviously wasn't.
Actually, how do my words translate to the bolded phrase?
I'm saying that you are leaving yourself open to either lynch or not lynch grush and use either part of the post to support your actions.

Scum team is Grush and Ha236. This game is over.



And you're saying that throwing out an opinion is better than waiting some and collecting more information as the game goes along is a bad thing? What's the point in posting more then once if your opinions on the first post are all that matter?

I don't like your style, your posts are worded in a way where the ignorant or weakhearted get the impression that you have all the answers and everyone should base their opinions on yours.
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