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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
@MrZentor: Same question goes for you. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On June 17 2012 19:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I can understand it to some degree. If he claims at that moment, there's a chance people won't believe him and that it's a mafia ploy to get people to not vote him, and as soon as he claims every night he'll either get roleblocked or he'll just get killed by mafia depending on if they still have their roleblocker. "Playing greedy" seems to be something town is doing a lot. See katina; we asked the remaining JK to claim but she didn't. I also don't think mafia would claim DT with the amount of blues that have died already. It just seems unlikely. It's not necessarily that he didn't claim. He didn't even push for a no lynch or push someone he claims to have had a red check on when we had to lynch scum or lose. Katina wasn't at MYLO with a red check on mafia while still voting another target... To clarify, you believe it's more unlikely that someone would fake-claim a blue when there's little chance of there being any more blues in the game than actually be a blue? Because I think that a time when noone thinks there are any blues left would be a perfect time to fake a claim. The odds of being counterclaimed have already decreased drastically and ghost has already shown us that he was considering the possibility of a counterclaim. It's not specifically one of these individual points that points me to Navillus, it's the combination of everything altogether that makes me believe he's scum. The lurking while telling other people not to lurk, the vote pattern, everything just smells like scum to me. It's part logic and part gut. Need I remind you of Shraft who also was suspicious of Navillus? Every vote so far has been based on bad claims (Pandain, Hyaach, Blazinghand) and now you want to do it again? Have you learned nothing from the past few claims? When it's too strange to be scum, it probably isn't scum. I'm still torn between whether you or Navillus is the last scum. I agree that I get a scummy vibe from him, but your trusting of ghost's claim combined with your reasoning for believing MrZentor is town have me confused. If I had to decide in the next 10 minutes I'd go with Navillus as it makes more sense over the entire game, but I don't. Artanis, I don't think I need to remind you that of those 3 claims, 2 of them were faked. I'm not sure what you're trying to imply by asking me if I've learned nothing. I look at each claim and the circumstances surrounding it separate from the other. You say he claimed scum WAAAAAAAAY too easily for my taste. I accept the explanation because I don't think Mafia would make such a claim with this kind of explanation. It doesn't make sense. My gut says to trust the claim, and if his claim is correct I'm talking to a mafia anyway so I'm not too worried about how you perceive me. I'm still trying to wrap my head around a scenario where a detective doesn't either push a red check or push for a no lynch at MYLO and I still think the odds of someone doing that are extremely low. And what do you mean it makes no sense for mafia? All he needs to do is ensure that he doesn't get lynched today or tomorrow and they've got the game won. It makes perfect sense to claim a blue role that is unverifiable. Hell, I've seen it done in newbie games in this exact scenario! I'll try and find the game I'm thinking of. Because of how he's played the game. All I can say is read his post history and tell me you don't get a feeling that he's town. I just can't imagine a mafia playing the way he played. Mafia wants to look town, he's made no effort to do that. And once again, I'm not too bothered by you not having a town read on me anymore since you're probably scum and all. I'm not even sure what to say to this. You're basically giving mafia in every game you play a free pass to not even attempt to contribute? | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On June 18 2012 01:38 Snarfs wrote: I'll try and find the game I'm thinking of. Newbie Mini V | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12970 Posts
On June 18 2012 01:38 Snarfs wrote: It's not necessarily that he didn't claim. He didn't even push for a no lynch or push someone he claims to have had a red check on when we had to lynch scum or lose. Katina wasn't at MYLO with a red check on mafia while still voting another target... To clarify, you believe it's more unlikely that someone would fake-claim a blue when there's little chance of there being any more blues in the game than actually be a blue? Because I think that a time when noone thinks there are any blues left would be a perfect time to fake a claim. The odds of being counterclaimed have already decreased drastically and ghost has already shown us that he was considering the possibility of a counterclaim. He pushed someone he thought was red. Just because you're a DT doesn't mean you should only go after your checks. He thought zelblade was red and there was plenty of evidence to suggest as such. And I don't think a blue fakeclaim at this point would be good given that there wasn't that much suspicion on Ghost and given the fact that we've lynched everyone that claimed blue this game. If I was mafia and I took a look at the lynching history, I wouldn't say "hey no one lynches blues, let's claim blue!", I'd think "they're lynching all blues, let's not claim anything dumb". This makes me believe Ghost's claim is probably legit. I'm still torn between whether you or Navillus is the last scum. I agree that I get a scummy vibe from him, but your trusting of ghost's claim combined with your reasoning for believing MrZentor is town have me confused. If I had to decide in the next 10 minutes I'd go with Navillus as it makes more sense over the entire game, but I don't. Artanis, I don't think I need to remind you that of those 3 claims, 2 of them were faked. I'm not sure what you're trying to imply by asking me if I've learned nothing. I look at each claim and the circumstances surrounding it separate from the other. What I'm saying is that fakeclaims have tended not to work out for those people, therefore fakeclaiming seems to be a bad idea in this enviorment. Call it WIFOM if you must, but I don't think Mafia would fakeclaim, especially when there wasn't really much pressure on Ghost to begin with. It'd make more sense for Navillus to claim if anyone. I'm still trying to wrap my head around a scenario where a detective doesn't either push a red check or push for a no lynch at MYLO and I still think the odds of someone doing that are extremely low. And what do you mean it makes no sense for mafia? All he needs to do is ensure that he doesn't get lynched today or tomorrow and they've got the game won. It makes perfect sense to claim a blue role that is unverifiable. Hell, I've seen it done in newbie games in this exact scenario! I'll try and find the game I'm thinking of. We have lynched every claimed blue so far. Mafia does not want to die. I thus find it unlikely mafia would claim blue. I don't think you can find a newbie game where three of four lynches have been people that claimed blue. The enviorment makes it so that I don't think a fakeclaim is logical to do as mafia. If Ghost was scum, it wasn't a neccesary action to do. I hadn't posted any suspicion on him, only on Navillus, and this is something that would actually potentially _draw_ suspicion on him. That coupled with the fact that Ghost instantly got votes against him from at least one mafia since I know I'm not scum leads me to believe he is in fact speaking the truth. I'm not even sure what to say to this. You're basically giving mafia in every game you play a free pass to not even attempt to contribute? Perhaps it's bad because you want to policy lynch people that do, but the fact of the matter is I don't think he's scum and it's fairly obvious to me. That he played anti town does not mean that he rolled scum. I do not believe he rolled scum so I do not want to lynch him, ESPECIALLY at lylo. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12970 Posts
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
I'm thinking we should lynch Nav. How much time do we have? | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12970 Posts
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
##Unvote ghost_403 ##Vote: Navillus We need ghost to vote too. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12970 Posts
I don't think Mafia is trying to mindgame us. Everything to me points to a Navillus/Snarfs team, and I do hope you feel the same way. Go back on histories if you must, or my post summarizing how people have behaved where I summarize people's filters. The fact that three people are voting for Ghost and I'm not one of them makes it clear to me that it has to be Navillus/Snarfs unless Mafia are pulling a big one here. Given how easily they could've portrayed you as scum (and Snarfs still tried) I hope you can see that it's them. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12970 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12970 Posts
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
I'm pretty sure we're still on 48hr cycles? | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
Day 5 Vote Count Navillus (3) Artanis[Xp] MrZentor ghost_403 ghost_403 (1) Snarfs Navillus is currently set to be lynched. The day ends in 25 hours at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). With 5 players alive, it takes 3 to lynch. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
Now I'm thinking artanis and ghost are mafia. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
Was reading what you said, Artanis, and you're right, he'd have no reason to do this if it was both yourself and him or MrZentor and him as a team as they'd have the walk-over victory. It only makes sense if he wanted to bus his partner and have an easy victory on the last day. ##Unvote ##Vote Navillus | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On June 18 2012 06:04 MrZentor wrote: Yay 25 more hours. Now I'm thinking artanis and ghost are mafia. Why would he bother fake-claiming if it was the two of them? | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12970 Posts
Why does that make you think I'm mafia, Zentor? | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
The way I see it it's either artanis and ghost or snarfs and nav. Artanis and ghost are the active people who look towny. This could be because they are town or because they are mafia trying hard to look towny. Snarfs and nav are the more suspicious type either because they are mafia leaving a trail or town being sloppy because they don't care how they look. (like me  )The fact that artanis and ghost are getting all buddy buddy with me scares me. | ||
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