Emergency Mini Mafia! - Page 48

On June 17 2012 06:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I went through everyone's filter again and made notes (except Shraft, didn't get to him yet), and the person that jumps out as the most suspicious to me is Navillus. These are my notes as I read through his history:
-Shortest post history
-Comments on furer's mislynch thing
-Null read on VE, would have stronger read on other people
-Reads furer as slightly town
-Doesn't see the Ghost case
-FOS's MrZentor
-Proceeds to vote on Hyaach
-Weird reason for why he didn't vote on MrZentor
-Continues discussing off topic with Pandain
-Says he prefers to say too much (then why the short history?)
-Thinks Pandain's claim is dumb but doesn't see it as scum
-Keeps asking for other people to stop lurking, yet lurks himself quite a bit
-Continues to hammer on lurkers while lurking himself
-Believes BH's claim, votes Furer for a weak reason (inactivity), not dangerous for mafia as it never gained any traction
-Apologetic nature of posts (I'm on my phone, I'm busy, etc)
-Says he doesn't ignore BH's meta then basically does
-Votes Hyaach
-Suddenly doesn't think inactivity is a reason anymore
-Says he reads Katina as town
-Wants to kill BH because he's an SK and a good player, ignores logic against it
-Goes after MrZentor when the zelblade lynch is basically locked in
-Says he still has to look after me, yet never does before the deadline, feels like a Mafia that already knows they've won so gets sloppy

First he defends Furer, then later in the game he calls his inactivity a reason for his lynch, then even later he doesn't think it's a reason to lynch anyone anymore. My suspicion is that this is because he thought furer would get modkilled and wanted to gain some town cred, but then when a vet like Palmar replaced him he suddenly didn't want to put any more heat on him.

His exchanges with MrZentor have been interesting too. He starts out by giving him an FoS, then votes Hyaach. He also goes in against the Pandain lynch which was gaining a lot of traction, which doesn't really mean much as Mafia wants there to be some resistance to a lynch as otherwise people will start to think it's going too easily.

Finally, he keeps commenting about lurkers yet he is the lurkiest player left. His posting history is only two pages long, and it really doesn't look good. Right now I want to see Navillus lynched the most out of all players, at least until I've examined Shraft.

On June 17 2012 12:49 Snarfs wrote:
Wait what? Ghost, are you serious?

We were at MYLO yesterday and you had a red check on Palmar and you didn't even push for his lynch? Like, at all?

You're saying that you would have rather played a hunch that zelblade was mafia because you were "greedy" and would have cost us the game were it not for a modkill... rather than either claim or push a Palmar lynch? Or push for a no lynch to get another check off?

There's no way this claim is real, right? Like, no real detective would not claim at MYLO... or push their red check.. or push for a no lynch... There's no friggen way.

If ghost is town after these shenanigans I will definitely eat blazinghand's hat.

@Artanis: On Navillus: I don't see how he could be a better lynch than ghost now. I definitely think that his vote on Hyaach while FOSing MrZentor was an awkward move, but I've seen townies do that many times as well. And I did notice that he backed off Palmar as you pointed out, but I would have to. Palmar is a great asset to towns and if it had turned out that he was a townie replacing in he no doubt would have been extremely helpful. I think that his vote on furerkip was genuine as there was no other wagon at the time. He only moved his vote after it was becoming apparent that furer was not going to be lynched (blazinghand and VE had both unvoted furer already).

What interests me more than your vote on Navillus though, is that ghost practically just claimed scum and you've already almost dismissed the possibility that he's fake claiming. I'm curious how you can be so trusting of his claim? You say that you don't think this is something he would do as mafia, yet when I looked through his history previously the only scum game of his I found was Werewolves which was both a PM game and almost 4 months ago. The timing of his claim makes no sense from a town player's point of view, especially if he had a red check on Palmar going into day 4 as he claims. I'm really curious how you could justify a town detective not claiming/pushing a red check/pushing for a no lynch at mylo when there's a chance we're about to lose the game?? And then so quickly accept the explanation that he was just getting "greedy"... at MYLO... after not lynching scum for 3 days... he got greedy...

And how are you so sure that MrZentor is town? The guy is capable of doing proper analysis as he's shown in the past, yet has contributed little but one-liners and has been on the wrong side of every lynch with very little reasoning. I have no clue whether he's town or mafia, yet you waltz in here at LYLO and proclaim him town and you and ghost are suddenly on the same side of a Navillus lynch and I'm definitely having second thoughts about my town read on you.

On June 17 2012 15:45 Navillus wrote:


Artanis could you clarify what things you're saying are scummy here and how they're scummy, because with a lot of the stuff on that list I don't see why it would make me scum, but on the stuff at the bottom.

First on Furer yes my opinion changed, first he looked like an aggressive newbie townie to me so I didn't want to jump on him immediately, then I wanted a lynch when I thought that he was just lurking and avoiding posting when there might be heat on him, at the time that I posted that I didn't think it had anything to do with alignment he had already missed a deadline (maybe two) I posted that because it seemed like he had totally peaced out of the game (which guess what? he had...) and I didn't and still don't see how someone leaving a game after like one day indicates alignment at all, I've seen more towns do it than scum.

On MrZ I FoSed him because he was suspicious and voted hyaach to pressure him like I said several days ago, on Pandain... ok so that's just a reason that I still could be scum despite going against that lynch, makes sense, isn't a positive reason I'm scum.

Aaaand lastly and this ones big as you mention it a number of times in your list as well, I lurk. Yes I've been very lurky, yes that's bad and I shouldn't have, but your letting that be much too large a factor in your case when we're at mylo and we can't afford to make a mistake because I've been lurky. Lurking was bad but it also in no way points to me being scum, check my meta, seriously, this in no way points to me being scum. And I will say that I still talk about MrZ's lurking for example because while he may have more posts than me you can't seriously look at both of our filters and think he's said more than I have, there's a difference between lurking and making posts just to have a post count without saying anything and not posting much but actually saying things in your posts, both are bad but the first is absolutely scummier.

I don't think his disappearing from the game really has anything to do with alignment

On June 17 2012 13:05 MrZentor wrote:
See ghost, if I were mafia, I'd be making analyses on random people right now to convince you I was town.

At any rate, I don't see the point of analysis at this point. I know what I'm going to do, and nobody currently is doing anything that I disagree with terribly.

We see if ghost can explain his weird claim.

We kill either him or Nav tomorrow depending on his response.

Then the day after that we kill the other scum.

Just to pressure ghost into a response. ##Vote ghost_403

On June 15 2012 21:03 ghost_403 wrote:
Should have time to catch up on the thread in about an hour.

@zelblade: You spent a good portion of this game pushing Furerkip. What are your thoughts on Palmar?

On June 16 2012 00:31 zelblade wrote:
Well apparently this is over. Sorry town this loss is on me.

@ghost

My primary reason for pushing the furekip thing was because of the 4 scum thing. Since the game would obviously be over if there was 4 scum im naturally dropping it. His posting and attitude thus far reminds me of town palmar but im fairly unsure.

I also typically remain calm in games with one exception where I raged. Meh. Obviously I am fairly annoyed about the situation, but spamming about how lynching me will lead to towns loss does nothing except shit up the thread.

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Since I apparently managed to miss responding to BH's part 2 earlier.

[spoiler]

The first part about furekip is obviouslly bullshit since its fairly clear I said assuming 4 scum is not that scummy, but claiming that that information is in the main page when its not is scummy.

The question is a nulltell. Obviously scum can do it, but it was just me clarifying stuff.

On the ghost meta thing I was sleeping in that period of time. I didnt actually mention it before I went to sleep since I was tired and feeling lazy. I also have no clue why scum would decide to switch from hyaach to BH for no reason when neither lynch would bring any cred come D3.