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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
June 16 2012 22:03 GMT
#941
So if I am to believe your claim, the remaining scum team is Navillus and Snarfs.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 16 2012 22:04 GMT
#942
@artanis, mrzentor: Snarfs + Navillus scum team?
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
June 16 2012 22:05 GMT
#943
If you'd like to move to 24 hour days, send me a PM.
Shraft
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden701 Posts
June 16 2012 22:06 GMT
#944
Good luck town! Sorry for being lazy in the last cycle.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
June 16 2012 22:06 GMT
#945
@Ghost So why didn't you claim a day before when Zelblade was on the chopping block and got a confirmed red in Palmar?
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 16 2012 22:11 GMT
#946
You had asked about why I checked who I checked:

Night 1: Hyaach - It was pretty obvious that he was next on the chopping block after the Pandain lynch, so I checked him. He came back green, which is why I believed his claim and tried to defend him. Obviously, I didn't want to out myself Day 2, so there was only so much I could do. Claim DT to save a JK when we had no idea what roles were in the game? No.

Night 2: Artanis - Honestly, I had a hard time getting a read on him, so I checked him. He was pretty vocal in the thread, so this check gave me a lot to go on. Something that I'm still trying to figure out is what happened to the remaining roleblocks. He claimed to be RB'd Night 2, but no one claimed on Night 3. Kat could have been RB'd. If MrZ comes back saying he was RB'd last night, it's gg.

Night 3: Palmar - Palmar gave us nothing to go on, so I checked him. When he came back red, I decided not to claim, because I honestly thought that Zelblade was scum. Palmar positioned himself in thread so he could vote Zelblade, so I figured he was going to bus his teammate. That's why during Day 4, I tried so hard to get Palmar into the conversation. Didn't work, and he was modkilled.

Night 4: MrZentor - He plays too scummy, regardless of his alignment. I figured my DT check was best spent here, so I would know how to go forward during today. The final green check meant that there was only two scum left, and two people I didn't know their alignments.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 16 2012 22:13 GMT
#947
@artanis: To explicitly answer your question, I figured that Palmar was going to bus his scummate. Not claiming DT allowed me get off another check. I got greedy, plain and simple. I really thought Zelblade was scum.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
June 16 2012 22:17 GMT
#948
Fair enough. I understand the defense and I don't think this is a claim that you would make as mafia as I feel you tend to play a more conservative game. That also complies with how late you've claimed. Before your claim, I felt strongest about Navillus. I still do.
##Vote: Navillus
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
June 16 2012 22:54 GMT
#949
WOAH, when did we get down to 5 people?

I've never lived this long.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
June 16 2012 22:55 GMT
#950
Should we mass claim or something?
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
June 16 2012 23:12 GMT
#951
Don't see much point, everyone will probably claim VT except Ghost.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
June 17 2012 03:49 GMT
#952
Wait what? Ghost, are you serious?

We were at MYLO yesterday and you had a red check on Palmar and you didn't even push for his lynch? Like, at all?

You're saying that you would have rather played a hunch that zelblade was mafia because you were "greedy" and would have cost us the game were it not for a modkill... rather than either claim or push a Palmar lynch? Or push for a no lynch to get another check off?

There's no way this claim is real, right? Like, no real detective would not claim at MYLO... or push their red check.. or push for a no lynch... There's no friggen way.

If ghost is town after these shenanigans I will definitely eat blazinghand's hat.

##Vote ghost_403


@Artanis: On Navillus: I don't see how he could be a better lynch than ghost now. I definitely think that his vote on Hyaach while FOSing MrZentor was an awkward move, but I've seen townies do that many times as well. And I did notice that he backed off Palmar as you pointed out, but I would have to. Palmar is a great asset to towns and if it had turned out that he was a townie replacing in he no doubt would have been extremely helpful. I think that his vote on furerkip was genuine as there was no other wagon at the time. He only moved his vote after it was becoming apparent that furer was not going to be lynched (blazinghand and VE had both unvoted furer already).

What interests me more than your vote on Navillus though, is that ghost practically just claimed scum and you've already almost dismissed the possibility that he's fake claiming. I'm curious how you can be so trusting of his claim? You say that you don't think this is something he would do as mafia, yet when I looked through his history previously the only scum game of his I found was Werewolves which was both a PM game and almost 4 months ago. The timing of his claim makes no sense from a town player's point of view, especially if he had a red check on Palmar going into day 4 as he claims. I'm really curious how you could justify a town detective not claiming/pushing a red check/pushing for a no lynch at mylo when there's a chance we're about to lose the game?? And then so quickly accept the explanation that he was just getting "greedy"... at MYLO... after not lynching scum for 3 days... he got greedy...

And how are you so sure that MrZentor is town? The guy is capable of doing proper analysis as he's shown in the past, yet has contributed little but one-liners and has been on the wrong side of every lynch with very little reasoning. I have no clue whether he's town or mafia, yet you waltz in here at LYLO and proclaim him town and you and ghost are suddenly on the same side of a Navillus lynch and I'm definitely having second thoughts about my town read on you.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
June 17 2012 04:05 GMT
#953
See ghost, if I were mafia, I'd be making analyses on random people right now to convince you I was town.

At any rate, I don't see the point of analysis at this point. I know what I'm going to do, and nobody currently is doing anything that I disagree with terribly.

We see if ghost can explain his weird claim.

We kill either him or Nav tomorrow depending on his response.

Then the day after that we kill the other scum.

Just to pressure ghost into a response. ##Vote ghost_403
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
June 17 2012 04:53 GMT
#954
Small interruption:

Apologies for my prolonged and abrupt absence. I'm flying to California today so I will be once again able to fulfill hosting duties tomorrow.

Thanks greatly to the cohosts for managing the game well.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
June 17 2012 05:08 GMT
#955
I'm still thinking about this and I really can't see how a town player could be so cocky as a detective at MYLO to not think of either pushing their red check or pushing for a no lynch so they can get another check off before claiming.

The only explanation making sense in my head right now is that ghost is scum.
Navillus
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1188 Posts
June 17 2012 06:45 GMT
#956
On June 17 2012 06:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I went through everyone's filter again and made notes (except Shraft, didn't get to him yet), and the person that jumps out as the most suspicious to me is Navillus. These are my notes as I read through his history:
-Shortest post history
-Comments on furer's mislynch thing
-Null read on VE, would have stronger read on other people
-Reads furer as slightly town
-Doesn't see the Ghost case
-FOS's MrZentor
-Proceeds to vote on Hyaach
-Weird reason for why he didn't vote on MrZentor
-Continues discussing off topic with Pandain
-Says he prefers to say too much (then why the short history?)
-Thinks Pandain's claim is dumb but doesn't see it as scum
-Keeps asking for other people to stop lurking, yet lurks himself quite a bit
-Continues to hammer on lurkers while lurking himself
-Believes BH's claim, votes Furer for a weak reason (inactivity), not dangerous for mafia as it never gained any traction
-Apologetic nature of posts (I'm on my phone, I'm busy, etc)
-Says he doesn't ignore BH's meta then basically does
-Votes Hyaach
-Suddenly doesn't think inactivity is a reason anymore
Show nested quote +
I don't think his disappearing from the game really has anything to do with alignment

-Says he reads Katina as town
-Wants to kill BH because he's an SK and a good player, ignores logic against it
-Goes after MrZentor when the zelblade lynch is basically locked in
-Says he still has to look after me, yet never does before the deadline, feels like a Mafia that already knows they've won so gets sloppy

First he defends Furer, then later in the game he calls his inactivity a reason for his lynch, then even later he doesn't think it's a reason to lynch anyone anymore. My suspicion is that this is because he thought furer would get modkilled and wanted to gain some town cred, but then when a vet like Palmar replaced him he suddenly didn't want to put any more heat on him.

His exchanges with MrZentor have been interesting too. He starts out by giving him an FoS, then votes Hyaach. He also goes in against the Pandain lynch which was gaining a lot of traction, which doesn't really mean much as Mafia wants there to be some resistance to a lynch as otherwise people will start to think it's going too easily.

Finally, he keeps commenting about lurkers yet he is the lurkiest player left. His posting history is only two pages long, and it really doesn't look good. Right now I want to see Navillus lynched the most out of all players, at least until I've examined Shraft.


Artanis could you clarify what things you're saying are scummy here and how they're scummy, because with a lot of the stuff on that list I don't see why it would make me scum, but on the stuff at the bottom.

First on Furer yes my opinion changed, first he looked like an aggressive newbie townie to me so I didn't want to jump on him immediately, then I wanted a lynch when I thought that he was just lurking and avoiding posting when there might be heat on him, at the time that I posted that I didn't think it had anything to do with alignment he had already missed a deadline (maybe two) I posted that because it seemed like he had totally peaced out of the game (which guess what? he had...) and I didn't and still don't see how someone leaving a game after like one day indicates alignment at all, I've seen more towns do it than scum.

On MrZ I FoSed him because he was suspicious and voted hyaach to pressure him like I said several days ago, on Pandain... ok so that's just a reason that I still could be scum despite going against that lynch, makes sense, isn't a positive reason I'm scum.

Aaaand lastly and this ones big as you mention it a number of times in your list as well, I lurk. Yes I've been very lurky, yes that's bad and I shouldn't have, but your letting that be much too large a factor in your case when we're at mylo and we can't afford to make a mistake because I've been lurky. Lurking was bad but it also in no way points to me being scum, check my meta, seriously, this in no way points to me being scum. And I will say that I still talk about MrZ's lurking for example because while he may have more posts than me you can't seriously look at both of our filters and think he's said more than I have, there's a difference between lurking and making posts just to have a post count without saying anything and not posting much but actually saying things in your posts, both are bad but the first is absolutely scummier.
"TL gives excellent advice 99% of the time. The problem is no one listens to it." -Plexa
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
June 17 2012 10:57 GMT
#957
On June 17 2012 12:49 Snarfs wrote:
Wait what? Ghost, are you serious?

We were at MYLO yesterday and you had a red check on Palmar and you didn't even push for his lynch? Like, at all?

You're saying that you would have rather played a hunch that zelblade was mafia because you were "greedy" and would have cost us the game were it not for a modkill... rather than either claim or push a Palmar lynch? Or push for a no lynch to get another check off?

There's no way this claim is real, right? Like, no real detective would not claim at MYLO... or push their red check.. or push for a no lynch... There's no friggen way.

If ghost is town after these shenanigans I will definitely eat blazinghand's hat.

I can understand it to some degree. If he claims at that moment, there's a chance people won't believe him and that it's a mafia ploy to get people to not vote him, and as soon as he claims every night he'll either get roleblocked or he'll just get killed by mafia depending on if they still have their roleblocker. "Playing greedy" seems to be something town is doing a lot. See katina; we asked the remaining JK to claim but she didn't. I also don't think mafia would claim DT with the amount of blues that have died already. It just seems unlikely.



@Artanis: On Navillus: I don't see how he could be a better lynch than ghost now. I definitely think that his vote on Hyaach while FOSing MrZentor was an awkward move, but I've seen townies do that many times as well. And I did notice that he backed off Palmar as you pointed out, but I would have to. Palmar is a great asset to towns and if it had turned out that he was a townie replacing in he no doubt would have been extremely helpful. I think that his vote on furerkip was genuine as there was no other wagon at the time. He only moved his vote after it was becoming apparent that furer was not going to be lynched (blazinghand and VE had both unvoted furer already).

It's not specifically one of these individual points that points me to Navillus, it's the combination of everything altogether that makes me believe he's scum. The lurking while telling other people not to lurk, the vote pattern, everything just smells like scum to me. It's part logic and part gut. Need I remind you of Shraft who also was suspicious of Navillus? Every vote so far has been based on bad claims (Pandain, Hyaach, Blazinghand) and now you want to do it again? Have you learned nothing from the past few claims? When it's too strange to be scum, it probably isn't scum.

What interests me more than your vote on Navillus though, is that ghost practically just claimed scum and you've already almost dismissed the possibility that he's fake claiming. I'm curious how you can be so trusting of his claim? You say that you don't think this is something he would do as mafia, yet when I looked through his history previously the only scum game of his I found was Werewolves which was both a PM game and almost 4 months ago. The timing of his claim makes no sense from a town player's point of view, especially if he had a red check on Palmar going into day 4 as he claims. I'm really curious how you could justify a town detective not claiming/pushing a red check/pushing for a no lynch at mylo when there's a chance we're about to lose the game?? And then so quickly accept the explanation that he was just getting "greedy"... at MYLO... after not lynching scum for 3 days... he got greedy...

You say he claimed scum WAAAAAAAAY too easily for my taste. I accept the explanation because I don't think Mafia would make such a claim with this kind of explanation. It doesn't make sense. My gut says to trust the claim, and if his claim is correct I'm talking to a mafia anyway so I'm not too worried about how you perceive me.

And how are you so sure that MrZentor is town? The guy is capable of doing proper analysis as he's shown in the past, yet has contributed little but one-liners and has been on the wrong side of every lynch with very little reasoning. I have no clue whether he's town or mafia, yet you waltz in here at LYLO and proclaim him town and you and ghost are suddenly on the same side of a Navillus lynch and I'm definitely having second thoughts about my town read on you.

Because of how he's played the game. All I can say is read his post history and tell me you don't get a feeling that he's town. I just can't imagine a mafia playing the way he played. Mafia wants to look town, he's made no effort to do that. And once again, I'm not too bothered by you not having a town read on me anymore since you're probably scum and all.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
June 17 2012 11:01 GMT
#958
On June 17 2012 15:45 Navillus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2012 06:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I went through everyone's filter again and made notes (except Shraft, didn't get to him yet), and the person that jumps out as the most suspicious to me is Navillus. These are my notes as I read through his history:
-Shortest post history
-Comments on furer's mislynch thing
-Null read on VE, would have stronger read on other people
-Reads furer as slightly town
-Doesn't see the Ghost case
-FOS's MrZentor
-Proceeds to vote on Hyaach
-Weird reason for why he didn't vote on MrZentor
-Continues discussing off topic with Pandain
-Says he prefers to say too much (then why the short history?)
-Thinks Pandain's claim is dumb but doesn't see it as scum
-Keeps asking for other people to stop lurking, yet lurks himself quite a bit
-Continues to hammer on lurkers while lurking himself
-Believes BH's claim, votes Furer for a weak reason (inactivity), not dangerous for mafia as it never gained any traction
-Apologetic nature of posts (I'm on my phone, I'm busy, etc)
-Says he doesn't ignore BH's meta then basically does
-Votes Hyaach
-Suddenly doesn't think inactivity is a reason anymore
I don't think his disappearing from the game really has anything to do with alignment

-Says he reads Katina as town
-Wants to kill BH because he's an SK and a good player, ignores logic against it
-Goes after MrZentor when the zelblade lynch is basically locked in
-Says he still has to look after me, yet never does before the deadline, feels like a Mafia that already knows they've won so gets sloppy

First he defends Furer, then later in the game he calls his inactivity a reason for his lynch, then even later he doesn't think it's a reason to lynch anyone anymore. My suspicion is that this is because he thought furer would get modkilled and wanted to gain some town cred, but then when a vet like Palmar replaced him he suddenly didn't want to put any more heat on him.

His exchanges with MrZentor have been interesting too. He starts out by giving him an FoS, then votes Hyaach. He also goes in against the Pandain lynch which was gaining a lot of traction, which doesn't really mean much as Mafia wants there to be some resistance to a lynch as otherwise people will start to think it's going too easily.

Finally, he keeps commenting about lurkers yet he is the lurkiest player left. His posting history is only two pages long, and it really doesn't look good. Right now I want to see Navillus lynched the most out of all players, at least until I've examined Shraft.


Artanis could you clarify what things you're saying are scummy here and how they're scummy, because with a lot of the stuff on that list I don't see why it would make me scum, but on the stuff at the bottom.

First on Furer yes my opinion changed, first he looked like an aggressive newbie townie to me so I didn't want to jump on him immediately, then I wanted a lynch when I thought that he was just lurking and avoiding posting when there might be heat on him, at the time that I posted that I didn't think it had anything to do with alignment he had already missed a deadline (maybe two) I posted that because it seemed like he had totally peaced out of the game (which guess what? he had...) and I didn't and still don't see how someone leaving a game after like one day indicates alignment at all, I've seen more towns do it than scum.

On MrZ I FoSed him because he was suspicious and voted hyaach to pressure him like I said several days ago, on Pandain... ok so that's just a reason that I still could be scum despite going against that lynch, makes sense, isn't a positive reason I'm scum.

Aaaand lastly and this ones big as you mention it a number of times in your list as well, I lurk. Yes I've been very lurky, yes that's bad and I shouldn't have, but your letting that be much too large a factor in your case when we're at mylo and we can't afford to make a mistake because I've been lurky. Lurking was bad but it also in no way points to me being scum, check my meta, seriously, this in no way points to me being scum. And I will say that I still talk about MrZ's lurking for example because while he may have more posts than me you can't seriously look at both of our filters and think he's said more than I have, there's a difference between lurking and making posts just to have a post count without saying anything and not posting much but actually saying things in your posts, both are bad but the first is absolutely scummier.

Sure, I'll humor you. In this post, you basically said "okay, I did this and this and this and it all looks scummy but these guys are scummier!" And I'll tell you "no, Navillus, that is not true. You are the scummiest candidate here." I made a list of points to basically illustrate all you've said this game and any points you've made, not all of them are supposed to point to you being mafia, it's just a summary list. You went offtopic with Pandain when you saw the chance despite that you should know better, believed BH's claim for a weird reason, happened to stop hammering on Palmar once Furer got replaced whom you thought was mafia for being inactive? That was your reason for voting him, yet then you come up later saying
I don't think his disappearing from the game really has anything to do with alignment

So then why vote for him saying he was inactive? It makes NO sense whatsoever. You also said you still had to look after me then never bothered to before the deadline, probably because you thought you already won. Shame to say, you didn't.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
June 17 2012 11:04 GMT
#959
On June 17 2012 13:05 MrZentor wrote:
See ghost, if I were mafia, I'd be making analyses on random people right now to convince you I was town.

At any rate, I don't see the point of analysis at this point. I know what I'm going to do, and nobody currently is doing anything that I disagree with terribly.

We see if ghost can explain his weird claim.

We kill either him or Nav tomorrow depending on his response.

Then the day after that we kill the other scum.

Just to pressure ghost into a response. ##Vote ghost_403

MrZentor, don't you think it's weird that Ghost got all these votes so quickly after claiming? Basically, it means one of two things.
Either A) You think I'm scum too
or B) You think there's some mind games going on and Mafia are voting for their own player to try and win on the last day of LYLO.
Now I don't think A) is very likely, and I don't think you're scum. I must say that I do have slight doubts regarding B), but at this point I find it too farfetched. Either way, I'm quite sure Navillus is scum. If you don't feel sure about Ghost I would urge you to vote Navillus and we can decide on Ghost vs Snarfs on the next day, though I'm quite sure Snarfs is the second scum at this point.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
June 17 2012 12:51 GMT
#960
I like how the response of the two people I called scum is not "I'm innocent!" but is rather "ghost must be guilty!"

Also, @scum, thanks for not counterclaiming me. It makes my life so much easier.

@MrZentor: I'll tell you like I told Artanis: I got greedy, and didn't claim so I could get off another DT check. Also, my read on Zelblade as being red was cemented by this conversation:
On June 15 2012 21:03 ghost_403 wrote:
Should have time to catch up on the thread in about an hour.

@zelblade: You spent a good portion of this game pushing Furerkip. What are your thoughts on Palmar?


On June 16 2012 00:31 zelblade wrote:
Well apparently this is over. Sorry town this loss is on me.

@ghost

My primary reason for pushing the furekip thing was because of the 4 scum thing. Since the game would obviously be over if there was 4 scum im naturally dropping it. His posting and attitude thus far reminds me of town palmar but im fairly unsure.

I also typically remain calm in games with one exception where I raged. Meh. Obviously I am fairly annoyed about the situation, but spamming about how lynching me will lead to towns loss does nothing except shit up the thread.



Since I apparently managed to miss responding to BH's part 2 earlier.

[spoiler]
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 05:24 Blazinghand wrote:
I'll be glad to take another look at Zelblade's filter. In terms of him putting in extra effort to "appear" green, here's what jumps out at me, plus some other scumminess:

He contradicts himself on FK's innocence following a "scumslip": link1, link2

On June 06 2012 22:49 zelblade wrote:
I took his word for it and didnt check the OP -_-

I dont think that him claiming that there was 4 scum is scummy
since its a somewhat plausible assumption and may be the norm where he plays, but him lying about it being in the op is just...

On June 06 2012 22:52 zelblade wrote:
I am actually willing to lynch furekip based on that alone. As said, there is no townie reasoning possible to lie about something like that. Sure scumslips are usually made by townies but I dont think that they would lie about their reasoning like this. The only problem with this is that it is so dumb as mafia too -_-

So furekip why did you lie about it?



This (link) strikes me as kinda a dumb question that implies "oh, I don't know if RB stops mafia NK, since I am a town player who didn't know what took place last night" by asking it. Subtle attempt at towncred.

On June 08 2012 08:46 zelblade wrote:
Does rb stop mafia's night kill?






There's also some weirdness regarding his transition from thinking I'm innocent to thinking I'm guilty D2. I think Zelblade wanted to appear to be gradually convinced, but he kinda fucked it up. Check it out.

June 09 00:03 KST (link)
On June 09 2012 00:03 zelblade wrote:
Main reason I trusted BH's claim was that I didnt think that he would do it as scum.

//snip//

He could have pulled the SK card after mislynching hyaach in this case, but it was very unlikely that it would have worked considering how he didnt exactly look stellar either. Scum probably isnt willing to pull off this sort of trade d2. (I THINK)

There are a lot of things regarding BH that seem off to me though, will explain more on that tomorrow.


So, this looks like a somewhat undecided zelblade. Things "seem off" to him-- zelblade wants to setup his change of heart.

Now, 10 hours later: (link) we see hm asking me about my meta (an issue that has been the case since early D1, but had somewhat subsided by D2). Clearly, my meta is on his mind, and, as he mentions in his vote post (link), the same scummy vote post I mentioned earlier, he's voting me because of these meta issues that Ghost brought to the forefront.

Now, this is really weird. Because Ghost didn't bring up the meta issues until June 09 08:00 KST. Other than the meta issues, Zelblade doesn't mention the reasons he had 8 hours prior to ghosts post, whne he said
On June 09 2012 00:03 zelblade wrote: There are a lot of things regarding BH that seem off to me though, will explain more on that tomorrow.


This is super scummy. He actually didn't have any reasons, he wanted for another player to put some forwards, then hid in the shadow of those reasons, and made an unbelievably scummy vote post that hedged either way. Why that vote post? He's Mafia. He knew during D2, after his team shot me and failed, that I was either the JKed or I was an SK. After my vigi claim and Hyaach's JK claim, he knew for sure that I was the SK, since Hyaach JKed VE.

He had to write a post that he could backtrack after either of us flipped. He wrote this way because he knew exactly who was who after the roleclaims.

He hid in the shadow of Ghost.


The first part about furekip is obviouslly bullshit since its fairly clear I said assuming 4 scum is not that scummy, but claiming that that information is in the main page when its not is scummy.

The question is a nulltell. Obviously scum can do it, but it was just me clarifying stuff.

On the ghost meta thing I was sleeping in that period of time. I didnt actually mention it before I went to sleep since I was tired and feeling lazy. I also have no clue why scum would decide to switch from hyaach to BH for no reason when neither lynch would bring any cred come D3.


This post is exactly what I would say if Palmar was my scummate. I figured Palmar was going to bus his scummate, and told his scummate to distance himself from the other two scum as much as possible. When he posted this, I asked Palmar and Navillus for their opinions, looking for something I could use to push Palmar's lynch the next day.
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