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layabout
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layabout
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I doubt that Meapak is a godfather. + Show Spoiler + I think it has already been said but talismania's role makes the existence of a godfather role very unlikely (although set-up speculation and trying to second guess the host is a little dodgy). When you consider the power of the godfather role one can't help but feel that Meapak being a godfather would be absurd.( A godfather can daykill town to end the day and use their nightkill.) I doubt that Meapak is the SK. + Show Spoiler + If there was no medic protect then i fail to see why Meapak would do what he did as an SK. If no one claims a medic protect then it is unlikely that he is an SK. If that is the case then Meapak is probably town. + Show Spoiler + His shot was reckless and recklessness is more of a town trait than a mafia one This is because mafia often feel like have to act carefully and think things through thoroughly before acting | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
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Kenpachi
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MrZentor
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Ace
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
There's probably no godfather, as it would be op with the gun stealing role, because scum could shoot 4 days in a row. So all the mafia left can't shoot, right? So everybody who has shot is confirmed! So we shouldn't kill MZ. | ||
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MrZentor
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On June 17 2012 11:46 Ace wrote: Ignore the part of the role PM that says the SK has to shoot at Night or Day. Err, care to elaborate a bit? I'm assuming you added flexibility to that, otherwise you would make it so any SK would risk getting modkilled by trying to use their day shot? | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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On June 17 2012 09:25 layabout wrote: I think we should make use of the daytime before shooting. I doubt that Meapak is a godfather. + Show Spoiler + I think it has already been said but talismania's role makes the existence of a godfather role very unlikely (although set-up speculation and trying to second guess the host is a little dodgy). When you consider the power of the godfather role one can't help but feel that Meapak being a godfather would be absurd.( A godfather can daykill town to end the day and use their nightkill.) I doubt that Meapak is the SK. + Show Spoiler + If there was no medic protect then i fail to see why Meapak would do what he did as an SK. If no one claims a medic protect then it is unlikely that he is an SK. If that is the case then Meapak is probably town. + Show Spoiler + His shot was reckless and recklessness is more of a town trait than a mafia one This is because mafia often feel like have to act carefully and think things through thoroughly before acting 1. Godfather role probably exists. I don't know why anyone would think Talismania's role excludes the possibility of a godfather. That is retarded. 2. I explained why this would be a dipshit mafia move. I'm not going to do it again. 3. If there WAS a medic protect then it would clear meapak from being the SK. No one claimed it though. If there is NOT a medic protection then it could mean the SK held his hit, either that or the mafia + SK hit the same person. Unlikely. You are wrong. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Night 3 ![[image loading]](http://static6.upillar.com/uploads/listing/images/831219/default.jpeg) rastaban, Doctor has been killed + Show Spoiler [Role] + Welcome to Bang Bang Mafia 2! You are a Doctor! Saving lives is your job! Shooting people is a no no! You can't day kill but you can protect someone at night. You can't protect the same player on consecutive nights. You can be Sane, Insane, Paranoid or Weak. You win when you eliminate all anti-Town players. Good luck! Cephiro, Mafia Goon has been killed + Show Spoiler [Role] + Welcome to Bang Bang Mafia 2! You are a Mafia goon! No special powers. No gun to shoot at people during the day. But hey, you like the color red! Day 4 ends 24 hours from now on Monday June 18th at 12:00 AM ET/ 13:00 KST | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
On June 17 2012 12:59 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: 1. Godfather role probably exists. I don't know why anyone would think Talismania's role excludes the possibility of a godfather. That is retarded. 2. I explained why this would be a dipshit mafia move. I'm not going to do it again. 3. If there WAS a medic protect then it would clear meapak from being the SK. No one claimed it though. If there is NOT a medic protection then it could mean the SK held his hit, either that or the mafia + SK hit the same person. Unlikely. You are wrong. How is it likely that there's a godfather? If the mafia has a godfather, with Talis's ability, they could shoot four days straight. With two kills each night, that means 12 dead people without the town being able to do anything. If they started on day 3, they could easily wipe out the rest of the town. There is no way there's a godfather. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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On June 16 2012 07:22 layabout wrote: anyway stuff that. Stealing RoL's gun made RoL look very bad since we where unaware of that mechanic. Talismana's flip has made RoL extremely difficult to lynch, and mafia will have known his flip would have caused this, thus the only time mafia could have pushed him would be before talismania dies. Since mafia would be unable to predict the time of his death it would make sense for them to try to lynch RoL early on. One player has ade it his mission to do just that and so; My Finger of suspicion + Show Spoiler + insert slight immature giggling here at the word "finger" + Show Spoiler + and insert is pointed firmly at Mr. Wiggles + Show Spoiler + Early on he spends time discussiung stragety with VE. He advocates millers claiming. He seems very concerned about wasting cycles by letting players shoot recklessly. He agrees with those voicing suspicions against gonzaw commenting about how he shouldn't be focussed on defending himself but on hunting scum. He suggests searching for another suspicios player to shoot gonzaw or for gonzaw to shoot. He stresses the importance of RoL proving that he doesn't have a gun. He says that if RoL does not prove he cannot shoot then they should kill him. (RoL had said that he would be absent so it's possible that he may have done this to push someone else into shooting RoL while he could not respond). He re-explains this point in a few posts and stresses that if he is lying then they should kill RoL*. *Note: Since the thread can verify whether or not RoL has a gun ("prove it by typing the command or we shoot you") it makes absolutely no sense for RoL to be lying. So this posturing is worth next to nothing. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/postmessage.php?quote=725&topic_id=340480 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15088363 He is around at the end of the day. Surprise surprise RoL was not lying. The thread is focussed on choosing between Payl Toad and Zentor. There are threats flying around. The thread is disordered and chaotic. Explanations have been flung out of the window and people are shoving their guns in each others faces and exchanging insults about their respective parentage. Wiggles seems oblivious to all of this and pushes RoL. What is strange is that if wiggles advocated shooting him if he was lying and shooting him if he wasn't lying why it took so long for him to get round to telling the thread that he thuoght they should shoot him. He also does not stick around to weigh in on what was happening (the shot "decision" restore order or try redirect attention to his case. Key points:
This is an interesting analysis. I particularly like how you focus on how Wiggles is seemingly using game mechanics only the mafia are aware of in his reasoning for attempting kills. I think that is suspicious because its inferring that Wiggles has knowledge of my situation and the nature of it. The way you post about him talking about the Miller plan is interesting. I want to look over those posts carefully and see if I see how he species the claiming should be done. I admittedly fucked up my claim timing, but it would be nice to see how Wiggles suggests doing it. Any mafia who knows of Talismania's role would obviously be in favor of using a Miller claim to force a bad lynch through gun stealing and making the Miller unable to prove himself while also allowing one of the Red's to gain a gun which could throw off DT checks/sanities later on. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
@Zentor, it seems as if talismania's role was one-shot, no? You know wiggles is dead, right RoL? Back in a bit. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On June 17 2012 13:09 MrZentor wrote: How is it likely that there's a godfather? If the mafia has a godfather, with Talis's ability, they could shoot four days straight. With two kills each night, that means 12 dead people without the town being able to do anything. If they started on day 3, they could easily wipe out the rest of the town. There is no way there's a godfather. Talismania's role hinges on him being able to pick someone out who has a gun. The Godfather would have to shoot day 1, he would have to pick a gun and shoot day 2, then there is a cooldown on being able to shoot iirc. Two days. The mafia in this game comprise around 20% of the town and the majority of us have guns. It's likely they were given some way to boost KP. Plus mafia needs a way to do those day kills without us noticing or they basically sacrifice themselves at the next day post when we can shoot them. Can I kill Meapak now, or what? | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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On June 17 2012 13:13 kitaman27 wrote: Dirty afk scum. @Zentor, it seems as if talismania's role was one-shot, no? You know wiggles is dead, right RoL? Back in a bit. LOL ignore that. I skimmed earlier today and noticed we a cycle go by quickly but forgot who was killed in it. I had a page open that was like 6-7 pages old and I read that so I responded. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
That's 60% of the townspeople. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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RebirthOfLeGenD
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On June 17 2012 13:17 MrZentor wrote: Even if it were one shot, with the godfather, 9 people could die without the town being able to "lynch" anybody. That's 60% of the townspeople. I don't think the worst case scenario is that likely with medics + SK flying around. Mafia numbers could get taken down pretty quickly. | ||
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