|
On June 12 2012 13:24 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +This is a Dirty South set-up also known as a day killing game. The way this works is that almost everyone can kill another player in the game by typing ##kill(##Kill): player in the thread. If possible I will kill that player and the game moves on to night phase. There are No Lynches in this format so there is no voting. Day ends when someone kills. If SK didn't kill at night, he is forced to shoot in the morning or else he is modkilled. His shot will also end the day. So, as you can see, SK WANTS to shoot at night unless he knows he will be forced by town to shoot the next morning.
Yes, what you say makes sense.
But mafia not shooting on N0 doesn't make much sense either.
It must mean there is an absorbed KP out there, or RoL is SK (knew he could convince us to let him shoot today, which is why he wouldn't shoot at night).
Hmm, I doubt RoL would risk it that much as SK though, so I'll wait to see if someone claims they were shot.
|
On June 12 2012 13:26 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 13:21 MrZentor wrote:
The post says that the days ends when the first person is killed.
Couldn't we just keep talking but not kill anybody for a few days? Pretty sure 1) We'll run out of things to say or just go in circles 2) Ace will probably put a limit on like 48 hours and then we just "no shot" and move straight to night 3) Someone will probably get trigger happy and shoot anyway. I want gonzaw to shoot. We already had 24 hours of discussion since night 0 happened, we've got our suspicions. Let's go gonzaw, chop chop.
Why do you think I'm scummy then?
I won't shoot at least until half a day has passed and it's been consensus that I have to shoot.
On June 12 2012 13:28 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 13:16 gonzaw wrote:Either our Medic is not sane, he doesn't exist or he wasn't doing his job as intended (saving claimed VTs).
Of course, if someone took a hit claim, until someone does I'll assume all KP is accounted for.
It seems weird there was only 1 night kill, because of this:
Serial Killer - Lone wolf. You must survive until the end of the game and eliminate both Town,Mafia and any other factions. At night you are bulletproof and can't be shot. You also show up as Innocent to role checks. You can kill at Night OR Kill during the day. You must kill at Night or the following Day or else I will mod kill you.
Check the bolded.
If there is a SK this game, and he didn't shoot last night, he HAS to shoot today.If we go forward with the "RoL the claimed Miller should shoot" plan (and RoL isn't SK of course), then the SK will be forced to shoot himself and out himself. He can just shoot soon though and pass it off as a mistake and try to hide it though. Again the other possibility is that he did indeed shoot last night but was RBed, or his hit was saved by a Medic/Vet. Or again there's the possibility he doesn't exist I doubt that though, 4 scum in a 20 player game with only 1 KP seems too little for a game like this. It's likely there is a SK, just like in the previous Bang Bang Mafia game. please kill this guy, the bolded is scummy as hell
...no it isn't...?
Anything constructive to say wbg? Could you at least post a semi-legitimate reason for thinking I'm scum?
There are some "veteran" players I want to chime in soon (before someone shoots me and we end this thing too early).
On June 12 2012 13:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
FreelanceSatan was Coagulation. Factor that in.
Yeah he was.
Shouldn't have claimed VT with gun on N0 though, specially considering he seemed pretty townie.
VE, what do you think about RoL and this uprising against me?
On June 12 2012 05:20 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 04:55 FreelanceSatan wrote:On June 12 2012 04:37 chaoser wrote:
Isn't it Night 0? As in mafia get to do night kills if they want to? why did RoL claim miller already... yeah i didnt even think about that..looks like he jumped the gun a bit there.. what are the chances the mafia would want to shoot him instead of shooting for blues tho? because we probably got a LOT of blues. + In an optimal scenario, we really could benefit from a Millermassclaim D1 NOT N1....
Great supersoft, do you have anything to say about RoL's claim?
Ehm, you can also chime in with this talk about me getting shot or shooting today.
Ehh I still don't get why a lot of people want me dead now (rastaban seemed to jump on the wagon as well), but unless something definitive is brought I'll just ignore it for now.
Not what I'd like for D1, but it brings discussion and forces people to take stances, so it's good.
For instance rastaban, what are your thoughts on this?
Meapak and kitaman are welcomed to post their thoughts as well.
|
On June 12 2012 13:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
If we don't have a target for gonzaw to shoot by, say, the 20 hour mark into the day, I say we should shoot gonzaw. I volunteer to be that person.
If anyone shoots before that time I say we kill them tomorrow.
Now that I look at it, here's our 1st candidate for SK that didn't shoot last night.
A wbg SK makes sense to me. He seems to just be trolling (posting pointless videos, one-liners, etc) and barely trying, and just wants to attack me at all costs without even stating reasoning behind it.
Are you SK wbg? If I was going to be today's kill, would you agree to let someone else take the shot?
|
If the SK were to shoot at night, but he's RBed, does his kill go through?
|
On June 12 2012 13:54 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Well I was shot last night but survived. I also had my gun taken away which is quite interesting.
How the hell can that happen? Did Ace tell you how it did?
Well...RoL being SK, not shooting last night so he can shoot today, but claiming he got his gun taken away so he can't actually shoot and he'll get modkilled is implausible.
If scum have a "Gun stealer", then this is pretty shitty. Unless they can steal the guns of players that haven't used their shot yet, they can steal the gun from any VT that shoots each day.
(Pre-Edit: It would make sense as an SK ability though)
RoL, do you agree with me dying today or not?
On June 12 2012 14:07 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 13:51 gonzaw wrote:On June 12 2012 13:36 wherebugsgo wrote:
If we don't have a target for gonzaw to shoot by, say, the 20 hour mark into the day, I say we should shoot gonzaw. I volunteer to be that person.
If anyone shoots before that time I say we kill them tomorrow. Now that I look at it, here's our 1st candidate for SK that didn't shoot last night. A wbg SK makes sense to me. He seems to just be trolling (posting pointless videos, one-liners, etc) and barely trying, and just wants to attack me at all costs without even stating reasoning behind it. Are you SK wbg? If I was going to be today's kill, would you agree to let someone else take the shot? so because I'm suspicious of you, there was only one shot last night, and I volunteered to shot your red ass, your first thought is for me to be SK? Pretty convoluted shit, it's nice to know only townies are capable of understanding Occam's Razor.
No, because you are trolling, FoSing me out of nowhere without reasoning, and yes volunteering to shoot my ass.
If RoL is telling the truth it can't happen though, so let's just forget about it.
So, I think they did this in Bang Bang Mafia 1 and it might work:
What if all of us claim if we have a gun to shoot or not?
Like said before, most blue roles are not that strong (the good ones don't know their sanity); but the VT/Miller roles are the strongest since they control the "lynch", and are our only way to win this game (other than a random vigilante out there).
I think they did it like this:
1)Everybody claims if they have a gun or not
2)The people that claimed they have a gun, take turns each day to shoot the most scummy one from the pool of the guys that don't have a gun
Here we can use that "random thingy" site Palmar made for iGrok's game (if someone's good enough to copy the script and shit, maybe make it public):
Each day we make a list of all the people that claimed they have a gun, and randomize it. That way we randomly choose who to shoot from that list.
That way mafia can't try to fake-claim that they have a gun and manipulate their way to never shoot at all, because the process of choosing who to shoot is random so if it's their turn to shoot they can't get away with it (this will disencourage scum fake-claiming they have a gun).
This is the beauty from the plan:
Yes, all the VTs/Millers will be outed for SK/scum, and so will the blues....
...however the blues will be mostly intact and survive the whole game.
Why? Because in the pool of blues most of the scum (goon and RBers, etc) lurk. If they shoot blues at night, that pool is reduced so they have more chances of being shot at day.
Not only that, but because of what I said earlier they'll most likely shoot VTs (check that post I made).
So blues are free to make their actions at night (not all of them can be RBed, plus they shouldn't claim their roles either) to help us with what we can, while we systematically kill those scum in their group.
Once we kill all scum in the "blue" group (3 of them right?), we are set, leave the rest of those blues alone and take a look at the VT/Miller claims to get the GF and the SK.
Since only non-gunners will get shot at day, and only gunners will get shot at night by scum, the blues in the non-gunners group can use:
1)Their medic saves on the gunners
2)Their watcher/tracker/cop checks on the gunners
1)Because those are the only ones getting shot at night, so they have a greater chance to save them
2)Because once all the scum from the non-gunners are killed, we need to find the SK/GF. If blues check those players, then it's more likely they can find the SK/GF for us so we have it easier later.
That was the way it would work in the 1st game.
Now that I think about it the "SK or scum can steal guns at night" thing if RoL says the truth can change it a little bit
What do you guys think? Any way to improve it if it's worth it? Or is it unworthy?
No this isn't me trying to divert attention or anything, I still want a fucking explanation why I'm being considered the D1 lynch by everybody yet when I ask why everybody stays silent
|
On June 12 2012 14:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 14:19 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On June 12 2012 13:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
Had your gun taken away? Is that real? Did you just say that?
:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Yeah, interesting though. So the mafia have additional powers to take away a gun. Although this is interesting. If the mafia have the power to take away my gun why would they do that while trying to kill me? Someone tried to kill me and someone tried to take my gun. I can see why the SK would have that power, he is bulletproof at night but needs a way to survive day hits as well so that is definitely a possibility. I find it interesting that the SK would use that power on me since he needs as many people to die as fast as possible and taking my gun would just make me look a bit guilty. The only way that would make sense is if my first accusation was right and toad was the SK. That is essentially the purpose of that power. On the same note that would make the SK really powerful, but the set up makes him really weak to day shooting. I would say that would make up for the SK's shortcomings in the current set up so it is probably the most likely. On the otherhand the mafia has 4 members and I'm sure that could be a power that is functionally a day RB. You claimed Miller. People wanted millers to shoot first to prove they're a miller. If they take your gun away, it makes you look like scum because you can't shoot. Or, you're faking someone taking your gun away because you're scum who fake-claimed Miller. The hit could be a fake, or maybe a medic protected you and SK shot you. There's lots of possibilities here. I'm not taking your claim at face-value. Would you mind typing shoot into the thread so that we know you actually don't have a weapon? That at least tells us you aren't a lying town or scum that can shoot. Also VE, you never responded at all to my FOS. Not in the mood? 
I second this.
Of course choose to shoot yourself (if you are lying scum/SK, at least you'll shoot yourself)
|
Right.
Also, I thought this would be the "perfect" game to enforce those "Lynch All Lurkers" policy lynches you guys have been talking about.
Yet nobody even mentioned it at all this game 
|
On June 12 2012 13:21 MrZentor wrote:
The post says that the days ends when the first person is killed.
Couldn't we just keep talking but not kill anybody for a few days?
You.
What do you think about the things being discussed until now? I don't like how you made that post when the day started but ignored everything that went on on n0 before it ended
If I am to be shot I'd like it to be from MrZentor (at least for now)
|
Will you keep ignoring me VE?
|
Hi VE!
Why do you want me killed again?
|
He tried to act like a smartass doing the whole "Oh geez if you think no mafia would fake-claim miller... then you make quite an effort in posting your thoughts about the Miller wouldn't you think?" thing and he was indeed being needlessly aggressive, even before in the game.
He doesn't play like that (I don't think he plays like that as scum either, although I only skimmed through Magic (was it?) where he was), and I found it odd. Perhaps he's trying to emulate Blazinghand or something...
|
On June 12 2012 15:17 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2012 15:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
Your interactions with marv were scummy. He was asking what I thought were reasonable (if a little sarcastic) questions, and you respond by accusing him of being "in your face" and aggressive. I mean...I don't know, it seemed like you wanted to make him out to be suspicious for being suspicious of you....which is suspicious. which is pretty interesting given that this is exactly how he reacted to me suspecting him. It's also how he acted in Liar Game with Cephiro.
Now you don't go and lie for your own convenience there
I FoSed Cephiro first in that game and then he flipped his shit afterwards..
....if you are somehow comparing your game here to Cephiro's game in Liar Game then I don't think you are making yourself look any good.
I think you are suspicious because you seem to troll (at first); and then just accuse someone, but without the intent to produce any meaningful discussion about it or drive town forward.
It's just the typical "Self
I don't know if you would act like this as scum, which is why I suspected you of being SK.
You are just acting like those self-centered vets that try to do the bare minimum in a game and act all mighty and shit.
So get the fuck down to earth and act normal.
|
Oh my god.....this is happening just like in UG.
I knew this would happen....but I didn't think it would happen so soon.
Damn, I guess I need to smurf from now on
|
Well believe it or not I do (at least respecting Millers).
[again, that's not the sole reason I believed scum wouldn't fake-claim, read my posts]
I thought my stance on this sort of things was pretty apparent from my behaviour in past Obs QTs (specially regarding previous claims from you ), but well.
|
On June 13 2012 00:41 chaoser wrote:
Point of the matter is, no one was going to agree with it, especially not the person I was asking to do it since everyone has come out against "shooting early".
My asking him to do it though, does bring out a shit ton of pressure. First of all, to gonzaw, given his stances so far, I should be appearing extremely scummy to ask him to shoot immediately and he should be all over me trying to pressure me about why I was doing something that he SHOULD be considering to be scummy.
But he doesn't. Instead he starts focusing on the SK when he SHOULD be focusing on mafia. "RoL is SK, no wait, WBG is SK." He's not responding back to my asking him to shoot; in fact he's taken a passive stance to it "I will only shoot if everyone wants me to". Given what he had said previously (and his play in previous games), he SHOULD be acting like zentor, but instead he's backing away from my pressure.
Well I'm turning on the full pressure now. Gonzaw, you can shoot me if you want, let's see it. Or do you want to say you don't think I'm scummy?
The beautiful thing about this game is that everyone can act on their reads if they want. That means mafia can't just go off making cases against people because in the end, they would be forced to back it up (shoot). That puts a lot of restrictions on mafia. Townies however, don't have that restriction; to be sure, townies are somewhat restricted but they are not as restricted as mafia. So to pressure them to shoot their suspicions, is one very good way to catch mafia. If they can't respond, then they're mafia since they can't shoot.
I don't find you suspicious because of the way you've been pushing it and the way you are trying to pressure me.
I do want to know why exactly you find me scummy though.
Oh and sorry I won't be able to have the pleasure to shoot you, but thanks for outing me as blue on n0!
I don't have a gun
Here I'll prove it:
#Kill: gonzaw
I won't claim my role though, that would only create more shitstorm.
|
On June 13 2012 01:07 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 00:58 marvellosity wrote:
But how can you distinguish between him being a blue who can't shoot and a regular goon? You cannot. The only way you can tell is by analysing him in the first place, and by doing that we come to the decision he's scum.
So just shoot him. See what I'm saying? Given his posting, he's definitely not a blue since he keeps saying "I'll shoot if everyone wants me to, etc. etc.". He's basically pushing the issue off while trying to get town to focus on the SK (by talking about if RoL is it or WBG is it). If town bites on the SK bit and shoots one of them then day ends and he gets to leave another day, hopefully to disappear from the forefronts of our thoughts.
I didn't want to out myself as blue so soon just because 1 guy (you) was buggering me about shooting.
*sigh* Right I see how fucking suspicious this looks now.
Okay people, if you really want me dead, at least let us do this:
Try to find someone else suspicious that should shoot me
If I'm to be the D1 shot, at least I want to catch other goons/RBers before I die.
For now I still think Zentor could be one of those. He spent the whole n0 and beginning of d1 trying to blend in with filler, but didn't post anything about what he thought.
But now he is suddenly coming to my rescue out of nowhere, and I find that odd. Scum already know that I'm town (if I was SK I'd not shoot last night and shoot today), so it's easy for them to come up with reasons to defend me.
Yes, it's not infallible, but it makes me a little bit suspicious of him.
Another player I'd want to shoot me is wbg, but to be honest I doubt he's scum at this point (I thought he was SK initially, but well that was before RoL's claim). I don't think he's "not GF" type of scum because of him volunteering to shoot me, so I don't want him to shoot me now.
I'd want him to shoot at least once in the game though...just in case this was a scheme of his as goon to avoid shooting.
I'll reread and try to come up with someone else to do it.
|
On June 13 2012 03:15 supersoft wrote:
full claim or i shoot you in the next minutes.
No you shouldn't shoot me, someone else would.
I'll claim my full role the minute someone puts ##Kill: gonzaw in the thread.
Posting info about my role before would only serve to cause more shitstorm, and if I'm somehow kept alive to cause even more shitstorm (with RBs and stuff) later.
|
I know what these type of claims can do.
If I claim Medic for instance let me assure you it will cause a shitstorm with people still wanting to shoot me, but people wanting to save me.
It's better to just forget about it and not let it come into play.
|
|
|
I +1 Zentor shooting me.
We still have time though, a lot of people haven't posted yet (risknuke, kitaman I think), and some people still haven't posted their actual thoughts on this scenario (Toad I think).
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
