Newbie Mini XV - Page 5

On June 09 2012 08:57 ShiaoPi wrote:
Thanks solstice at least a bit of consolation
I feel I got really badly set up by Goldens post though. Sooo annoying to be unable to respond to these, guess that's the downside of replacing. and I almost forgot to thank marvellosity for some great coaching!

To the more veteran players was there still a chance to convince town on the last day? I felt really frustrated and helpless

On June 09 2012 08:59 s0Lstice wrote:


I had you figured out sooner than that ;D

Here's a PM to Marvel:

To: marvellosity [ Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: Newbie Mini XV
Date: 6/8/12 09:32
I must confess I as a spectator I haven't been as studious.

Austin- I'm fairly certain he is town, based on ange's actions against suki. Plus he could have caused a no-lynch day 3 without much effort or risk, but chose not to. Must be town.

Milton- I think he is town as well. I've seen him play scum and this doesn't look like that. He has made a case on Ange that was not without sound reasoning at the time. He pursued Heist when he could have just as easily blended in on another target if he was scum.

Unforgiven- I am perplexed. He has reduced himself to insulting people and just giving orders like 'do this, do that.' If he is scum, he bussed both of his teammates (very unlikely). What's more, he was the first guy to attack suki. Despite his confusing play, I think he must be town.

That leaves ShiaoPi and Xatalos.

The obvious answer is ShiaoPi based on how he refused to vote for heist. Also, he replaced Golden, who weakly tunneled someone who I read as strong town. Making a case on Vivax is easy peasy for scum, because he was playing recklessly/aggressively. That said, he really was trying to hunt scum. He made reads and pursued them, though his conclusions always appeared wrong to me. He has been constant and steadfast in his defense of heist, which would be REALLY odd if they were scum teammates. My conclusion here is that he is a misguided townie. I've also seen his townie play, and this looks pretty similar.

I think the last scum is Xatalos. I think he wisely bussed heist, and got some mad townie cred for doing so. With people like Unforgiven being generally confusing and anti-town, and ShiaoPi strongly defending a guy who just flipped scum, he can bus heist and watch while those two get lynched next. He was the last to vote for suki, and was, like heist, pushing Unforgiven to suck votes away from suki on day 1.

His direct interactions with heist are also strange. He votes for him on the day vivax is going to be lynched, but votes vivax in the end. He gets town cred for voting heist when he eventually flipped scum, and doesn't get a lot of blame for lynching vivax since he was a driving force for it. This is an excellent bus, he doesn't hurt his teammate too badly and also helps himself a lot. Also, over the course of the game he was posting a lot of non-content content. His only real scum hunt was Unforgiven...another very easy case to make with the language barrier and his confusing posts.

so yea, I'm going with Xatalos

On June 09 2012 09:03 Toadesstern wrote:

Xatalos did a really good job the last couple of days. The only thing that was lacking in his play was the late bus-timing d1.
If people would have looked back at d1 and how votes ended up being I feel like it could have been possible.
Convincing people to lynch Xatalos based on what he posted seemed pretty hard. Especially the stuff later on because he bussed heist hardcore and people probably ended up having different reads on him based on exactly what they were looking at.

It was 4 people alive, which means 3 people needed to lynch. A NL might have been possible but that would have given Xatalos the possiblity to shoot into someone who is generally more willing to lynch him as well. So in general with only 3 townies alive and 3 votes needed for a lynch I really doubt town stood a chance the last day anyways.

On June 09 2012 09:17 austinmcc wrote:
Maybe I was being me again and making it overly complicated, but I figured you'd both shoot Unforgiven.

You needed to get him off your back and needed to eliminate someone who said he wasn't looking at ShiaoPi. Figured ShiaoPi would make the same shot because he came out looking so bad that his best bet was to keep making you seem scummy, so he had to shoot Unforgiven as well and start throwing out WIFOM. Which he...didn't do.

On June 09 2012 09:17 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Well, i had to login a lot form my phone, and honestly i lost interest at some point, i think it was after VIvax was lynched, you can show the way to someone, but you cant walk it for them.

On June 01 2012 09:23 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
The ridiculous aggresiveness im getting from Xatalos got me thinking about 2 things, he's just a really bad townie triying to use his ubber skills...or just a mafia playing in a pretty risky way (metagame uh?) I confess deep inside me i think its the first option, just a bad townie, contradiction and all, thats what my personal experience dictates.

On June 09 2012 09:26 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
You all played pretty standar mafia, so obvious just a couple people noticed it

On June 09 2012 09:34 ShiaoPi wrote:


I thought throwing out WIFOM would have looked like grasping at straws :D

On June 09 2012 09:33 austinmcc wrote:
We're all just making it up? Both scum AND town thought you were disruptive and anti-town?



He was spot on.

On June 09 2012 09:40 Toadesstern wrote:

I was quite busy playing myself while hosting this and only checked for what's in the posts while reading them really fast
Haven't kept up with why people did things that much

Marv probably has a better idea on what actually happened lol

On June 09 2012 09:42 ShiaoPi wrote:
Well it should not trust my reads too much I guess. But moving away from heist would have seemed really scummy too (at least in my opinion) so I just thought stick with it until he goes totally bonkers/scummy >_>

On June 09 2012 06:58 Miltonkram wrote:
Xatalos: Town- If you're asking me to believe that he's scum you're also asking me to believe that he made these plays. (I'm hypothetically referring to him as scum in this list)
- He started pressure on Unforgiven. This is a ballsy move. Putting follow up pressure on players is much more typical of scum play.
- He bussed heist D2 immediately after his scumbuddy, suki, got lynched. This is another really ballsy move.
- He immediately returned his pressure back to heist after our mislynch on Vivax. The fallout after a mislynch is a good time for scum to try and lay low hoping that voting patterns might incriminate another player. Xatalos did not allow this.

These are not common plays to make as scum. If he is scum then those plays were extremely risky. I just don't believe it. Xatalos, if you are scum, I tip my hat to you. You've made some tough calls.