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It should be obvious I want the townies in this game to do work. If I just say everything then town dies when I die. | ||
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Can you name a single player that has actually defended Zealos? | ||
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Think about it, everyone calls him suspicious but their votes end up elsewhere. VE at this point is just being annoying and confrontational. I don't particularly care right now why he keeps calling me scum, since he's obviously wrong, but if today's lynch does not fall on scum then I'll take the responsibility for the lynch. You can lynch me after and town can lose. | ||
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On May 25 2012 01:58 Acid~ wrote: I said I'd be OK for a Zealos lynch. I'm willing to change my vote from zelblade to Zealos if you can tell me why you think zelblade isn't scum. Whether or not Zealos is scum at this point has absolutely nothing to do with zelblade's alignment and therefore I'm obligated to do anything for you in terms of showing you that zelblade is town or whatever. Either you think Zealos is scum or not. Right now I don't feel like sparing very much effort since there's no point when more than half of you don't read to begin with. | ||
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Based on that alone I think there are at least two viable targets, but neither of them has received much attention. I'm gonna sleep on it for a bit and then if this Zealos thing doesn't take off I'll make a stronger case. | ||
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You've called me scum in every single game we've played for the past five games pretty much indiscriminately and you wonder why after a certain point I ignore you? | ||
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Clearly if I call katina scum at that point it probably means I don't think nova is scum anymore. Or at the very least, that I think others are scummier. | ||
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Anyway, Katina where are you? | ||
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on day 1 my bar wasn't very high, it was to get a scummy person lynched. Mouldy got lynched without much effort so beyond that I didn't reveal much. | ||
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On May 25 2012 02:57 Katina wrote: Just finished reading the thread dear. Lots of pages to read this morning. I really like how people are so focused on me when there are clearly scummy people like N_T and Mattchew. One of those two should be the top lynch candidates for today hands down. N_T has not nearly been as active today as he has been from the start of the game. Neither have you, or for that matter, a bunch of other players I could name. So what reason is there for singling out nova? On May 25 2012 02:57 Katina wrote: He wants to kill me only bescause I'm pushing for him hard. He has been staying in the shadows today and only poking his head out when the votes start coming in on another player. May I bring up my past arguements against him: 1. Spam! 2. Spam! You agreed that spam is not alignment indicative for nova, so why are you again bringing it up? Hasn't VE spammed as well? Why are you not on his case for the same reason? On May 25 2012 02:57 Katina wrote: 3. More focused on proving his innocence than scum hunting (unless you want to call his only scum read on me as "scum hunting".) Do you actually think this is alignment indicative? I think almost anyone does this. On May 25 2012 02:57 Katina wrote: 4. Inconsistent Can you point out the specific instances of inconsistency? On May 25 2012 02:57 Katina wrote: As for Mattchew, I mean really? Do I even have to explain why I think he's scum and want to lynch him? He has been completely ignoring me when I have called him out. Wait. He ignores just about everything and only comments when he has a qoute for it. He's not being helpful at all to the town and it annoys me that he is still alive and not being considered for the lynch. Others have commented on how annoying his qoutes are but yet no one has felt the need to vote for him. sure, he's annoying. Does annoying equal scum? Mattchew normally annoys me in games actually, this is the first time I've seen him play in character. Not the best choice as lynches go but as it can run as an excuse not to post seriously it is possible he might be scum. Mattchew would you be willing to play seriously from now on out? Your posts are incredibly annoying in their current form, and given how few people are actually playing to win it'd be nice if we didn't have to wade through more difficult nonsense. | ||
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On May 25 2012 02:45 VisceraEyes wrote: You still haven't revealed much. Why are you suspicious of Zealos Bugs? Why do you want Acid dead other than "He didn't answer my question" even though he did? the case on zealos is pretty straightforward. You've reiterated it yourself. Zealos claimed to have no scumreads on d1, and continued to do so into day 2, until the hiropro stuff basically. He's displaying a distinct lack of effort in terms of finding scum and when he does make cases they seem incredibly forced. He said he thought Jeb was town but still voted to kill him. That's the most damning reason. the only problem with zealos being scum is that scum don't often blatantly admit they've done such a scummy thing, but I suppose scum have done more blatant and scummy things before. Anyway, I'm going to hold out till 22:00 GMT (+00:00) (4 hours from now) and if activity is relatively unchanged till then, I'll share more of my thoughts. On May 25 2012 02:48 marvellosity wrote: I didn't quite know how to answer this in a coherent manner, so I've used red, blue and green to highlight. Now, he didn't answer you directly, but he answered your red question in the same colour, ditto with the blue question. As for the green, I'm specifically pointing at what bugs wrote. The point is that the question about two families of course did not need to be addressed, but doing so does not give information about reads to scum, therefore there was no potential harm in doing so. That's how I read it and it seems reasonable. I like you, you can read. | ||
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On May 25 2012 03:13 Acid~ wrote: And I'm not obligated to follow your directions. Who made you king of the fucking hill? My strongest scumread is Zelblade right now and I intend to push for his death unless someone either 1. makes a case for zelblade's innocence (good luck) 2. makes a stronger case for another lynch As I said, the case against Zealos is not inexistant, but it's not strong either. You realize that in order to kill someone in this game, you have to convince them of your correctness? In other words if you want us to kill zelblade over zealos then you should convince us to kill him instead of telling us to convince you to not kill zelblade. It's called burden of proof; the burden of proof is always on the person making the assertion. If you make the assertion that zelblade is scum, then YOU should be the one to explain it. No one is obligated to show you why zelblade is innocent or whatever. As town I don't even know if zelblade is innocent. Anyway, the case on Zealos has already been put forth; read Marvellosity's filter. If you don't want to do that then I don't see how you expect to win, as reading is mandatory to do almost anything else in a game of mafia. You call the zealos case not strong. What parts of it are weak? | ||
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I want to see a mafia flip today and I don't think continuing this path of discussion will help us reach that goal. I agree that zelblade is scummy but solely because he hasn't posted much. However, compared to the other lurkers his posting style specifically doesn't come off to me as scummy. His thoughts seem genuine and his logic is clear. If he were scum I don't think that would be apparent. I could very well be wrong, but I really want to see zelblade post more. | ||
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Of the two, I think Zelblade is more dangerous. He hasn't posted a single analysis or scumread and was content with bandwagoning Mouldy Jeb. That's your case on zelblade. There is almost nothing to argue here, the only reason zelblade is suspicious is because he hasn't posted. | ||
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On May 25 2012 03:43 Tunkeg wrote: This can very well be the scumteam. NT, Mattchew and Zealos where my strongest day one scumreads. And I think you are perfectly right about WBG, I get a stronger and stronger feeling that he is scum. I also find it wierd that Mattchew suddenly start posting, now that you are fireing at WBG. Makes me think that the scumteam have decided that he needs to start posting and help out WBG. So even if these guys are giving you a hard time don't give up VE. They do it because they are scum. I almost want to kill you just because of this post. I don't actually think you are this dumb. | ||
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