edit: the detective role mentions millers but there are no millers mentioned in the possible roles. Is this an oversight or are there millers?

edit 2: the variable slots in the OP have not been updated for specifics

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

May 20 2012 20:03 GMT

#53

Cool.

A few notes I want to share with everyone:

1. Please don't lurk.
2. With that said, please don't spam either; if we have like 50 pages by the end of d1 it'll probably be looking really good for mafia.
3. If you are a blue role: don't breadcrumbyour role; you may choose to breadcrumb your actions, as that is more useful (and much harder to fake for scum). Don't play diffferently simply because you have a power role; scum will notice.
4. DTs: choose players who are unlikely to be framed or shot n1. Choose players who you think will live for a while.
5. Medics/JK: don't bluehunt, just protect the most sensible townies.
6. Vigis: don't be MrZentor (case in point: Game of Thrones)
7. Veterans: please don't do stupid shit to try to ensure you get shot. Chances are far stronger you'll be lynched for being a moron than take a bullet from scum.

Anyway, all general advice and all stuff most of you should know, but read it over anyway.

On May 21 2012 04:45 Nova_Terra wrote:
Yaaaaaay!
Should we get rid of a veteran? should we? I THINK SO :D
##Vote: VisceraEyes

I don't support policy lynching but I do agree we should keep an eye on VE because his play can be quite erratic. If he's the focus of attention as either alignment it becomes very difficult to discern what he is. So for now I think we should look elsewhere so we don't have that problem, and let VE decide for himself what he wants to do.

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

May 20 2012 20:27 GMT

#58

Whether or not advice is good has nothing to do with the alignment of a player, just the same as making a plan, regardless of how good it is, is generally not indicative of alignment.

If the advice makes sense, follow it. If not, don't. The question of "is this guy scum" has nothing to do with that.

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

May 20 2012 23:16 GMT

#69

I fail to see how giving advice as a means to begin the way is in any way scummy.

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

May 21 2012 19:22 GMT

#148

I'm cool with killing nova, since he seems to want to extend joke accusations into real ones for no particular reason. He also isn't using his brain; case in point, this post:

On May 22 2012 01:26 Nova_Terra wrote:
as of yet i would be fine with either a Navillus or WBG lynch

Navillus, if I remember correctly, said he wanted to kill me (whether seriously or not, who cares)

Nova seemingly wants to jump on any person who is getting traction for a lynch. Namely, since I was gone and Navillus voted me, I was a good choice. Note how Nova never once mentions me before this post. He addresses my posts but expressly avoids saying that he finds my advice post indicative of me being scum or anything like that when I react.

On the other hand, people have found Navillus suspicious for his not-so-serious vote on me. While it is a bit suspicious in itself, I find it more suspicious that plenty of people are so willing to kill him based on almost nothing at all. One of those players is nova.

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

May 21 2012 20:09 GMT

#169

Nova subscribes to the notion that if you accuse everyone in the game, any accusation against him is OMGUS.

If you're town, stop being disruptive and start using your head. Otherwise, you die today.

##vote Nova_Terra

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

May 21 2012 20:36 GMT

#183

yo stop seeding the thread with all your reads, particularly town reads. It doesn't accomplish anything and it can pigeonhole people, as often times reads are wrong.

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

May 21 2012 20:39 GMT

#186

How many mafia are in this game?

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

May 21 2012 20:59 GMT

#194

On May 22 2012 05:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
4/15 huh? 2 families of 2 I'm guessing? What do you think Bugs?

??

I don't think that's balanced at all; normally a 16 player game has 4 mafia on one team. As this is a 15 player game I would expect that to be true as well.

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

May 21 2012 23:03 GMT

#220

pretty sure this guy's a smurf but I have no clue who it would be. At any rate I don't think we should concern ourselves with him too much out of the ordinary; treat him like anyone else. If he does things that further a scum agenda, we try to kill him.

Katina how sure are you of Nova being scum?

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

May 21 2012 23:11 GMT

#222

Katina; while you are here, can you answer my question? ( I assumed you missed it)

here it is again:

How sure are you that Nova is scum?

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

May 22 2012 00:59 GMT

#224

Magic : The Lurking Mini Mafia

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

May 22 2012 06:34 GMT

#244

Katina, for the third time: how confident are you that nova is scum?

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

May 22 2012 19:52 GMT

#363

Sorry all, I became really sick overnight. Feeling quite a bit better now, though.

I'm fine with killing Katina, VE, and mold man, in that order.

Katina normally reads the thread and she usually has more than one read. She also at the very least explains herself to townies. It's clear that she's deliberately ignoring my questions, possibly because she doesn't actually believe in her "case" on Nova (i.e she is scum)

By the time I asked Katina the first time how sure she was of Nova being scum I had started to think he was town. Now, it is day 1, and I may be completely wrong about my assessment, but the way the bandwagons have gone today suggest either that both nova and mouldy are town or that one of them is scum. Based on the nova votes just now I'm inclined to think mouldy is scum.

Of course, we'll never know the truth unless they flip. As there's not much time left in the day I think we should kill mouldy.

If anyone else agrees with me that we should kill Katina or VE, let me know and perhaps we can get a vote switch going. I'll be around till deadline.

##unvote
##vote Mouldy Jeb

PS. Anyone notice that Katina says she hates people using the noob card, but hasn't really expressed suspicion of mouldy? (at least, from what I recall)

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

May 22 2012 20:12 GMT

#368

Katina do you think that a newer scum would post as much as nova has?

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

May 22 2012 20:53 GMT

#373

I'm not ignoring you VE, I just addressed your questions in my head and then forgot to post them.

I don't particularly care for team balance considerations unless the host is known to balance games like that. When you don't know, it's a fruitless avenue of discussion. So, unless you want to tell me you know how Artanis sets his games up, I don't see why we should be discussing anything regarding team balance.

Regarding Nova, I'm not confident that he's scum. Maybe I'm just second guessing myself but I don't think he's the best candidate right now.

It's possible also that both wagons today are wrong and the scum are just voting however they see fit. This may explain the "too easy" feeling.

As for why I think you're scum; let's just say that dependent on the flip, that feeling may persist or it may go away. I have no reason to reveal any of my motives or reasons right now when neither you nor katina are in any danger of being lynched. Hell, it may even be possible that I don't believe that you're both scum. I do support a mouldy lynch today, though. If he's not arsed to even defend himself I see no reason to believe he's town.

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

May 22 2012 20:58 GMT

#375

I do respect you as a player, I just don't appreciate how hard it is to read you unless there are specific situations in which I can trap.

If you recall I was on your case last game because I didn't like how disruptive your play was. You chose to save scum that game. Yet, you still flipped town. So how is it that you are to be held accountable?

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

May 22 2012 21:16 GMT

#383

Sure, having my vote on a player indicates willingness to lynch said player. Moving my vote indicates a change in that willingness. Nothing you just said in any way is reason for calling me scum. If anything you've just stated the obvious and then tacked on "therefore WBG scum QED"

Why is nova scum other than "he's scummy scum scum" and "he was posting like a jester"?

What are some reasons nova is scum over, say, Mattchew or Tunkeg or Katina? Or even mold man over here?

What makes mouldy a bad lynch and nova a good one, specifically? If there is one question you'd answer, I'd prefer it be this.

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

May 22 2012 21:23 GMT

#386

Nova can you link me to some of your past games, please?

wherebugsgo

Japan10647 Posts

May 22 2012 21:48 GMT

#407

Regardless of his alignment nova seems to post a lot. Over the span of a week in games where he was scum and town he had 8-10 pages of filter in both.

Only his first game seems to be an anomaly with 5 pages after 9-10 days but that's still quite a lot (especially for a newbie game)

So why is it, Katina, that you're trying to pass off Nova's spam as exclusively a scum trait?