Magic: The Gathering Mini Mafia

On May 21 2012 04:45 Nova_Terra wrote:
Yaaaaaay!
Should we get rid of a veteran? should we? I THINK SO :D
##Vote: VisceraEyes

You don't like my opening post, and thats ok. ET is comming to my defense, and are voting for you. What is your take on this situation? Do you think ET have any motives for defending me, and if so what are they?

On May 22 2012 04:34 Nova_Terra wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Rofl, well thats interesting, it looks like i just went through your newbie game (snmmIX not VIII, bitch to find) and in that game there was an understanding that my town meta was very very active which i ended up failing at as scum, and my meta change was frequently noted in cases against me. Very interesting that you would want to try to make this conclusion. what reason would there be other than scum?

##Unvote
##Vote: Froggynoddy

[B]On May 22 2012 03:18 Mattchew wrote:
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Suffer the little creatures, for they may yet rise up and beat you senseless.
"Throw rocks at 'em Throw spears at 'em Throw Furt at 'em"

##vote Mouldy Jeb[/spoiler]

On May 22 2012 04:41 marvellosity wrote:
I'm totally up for lynching Mattchew because it seems like he's gonna post like a dick.

On May 22 2012 04:50 Nova_Terra wrote:

can you not read?

On May 22 2012 08:07 Katina wrote:


I was reading through filters and came across this post. It is just O.o This post does not have a purpose. It feels forced. Almost like he didn't really want to post but knew that he had to. I'm not saying we should kill him but that a finger of suspicion should be pointed onto him.

He just played the noob card in his post. I'm always wary of those people. They don't tickle my fancy.

an apt point, i was making a split second judgement I'm not saying I'm against you I'm just stating at that time you seemed to have the most random vote based only on the fact he was a vet. also my vote isn't by far final

On May 22 2012 04:46 HiroPro wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

Are you saying that all of these players are scum?

On May 22 2012 07:10 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
mattchew, just because im considering that my vote may have been based on an ill judgement doesn't mean im scum just means ill have to wait till tomorrow to consolidate all the evidence from each persons posts to conjure up a decision on who to vote for.

On May 21 2012 21:39 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
an apt point, i was making a split second judgement I'm not saying I'm against you I'm just stating at that time you seemed to have the most random vote based only on the fact he was a vet. also my vote isn't by far final

On May 22 2012 22:15 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
also not lurking just had school my mistake ill be reading over everything...

On May 23 2012 00:31 Mouldy Jeb wrote:
this is my first game :S I never second read and my silly posts are getting me lynched I'm vanilla townie waste of a lynch but i cant argue with solid reasoning.

On May 23 2012 03:13 Nova_Terra wrote:
Hiro why do you find him scum instead of bad townie?

@VE
What do yout hink of WBG's helpfull opening post? I ask you because you got the most experience with him. As a standard normal player I would put this as a pro-town. With WBG I am unsure, as he is thought of as one of the best scumplayers on TL, and I think he is capable of leveling us with these kinds of posts.

@WBG
If you were a dayvig and had to lynch someone right now, who would it be and why?

@Acrofalis
You don't like my opening post, and thats ok. ET is comming to my defense, and are voting for you. What is your take on this situation? Do you think ET have any motives for defending me, and if so what are they?

@NT
What do you think about Acrofalis play thus far?

@ET
Not to derail your arguemnent with Acrofalis to much, but what do you get out of Zealos posts thus far?

@Zealos
I can see why someone would throw out a random vote on someone to pressure as number one (even if I don't think it is a great way of pressuring).You do this as number two on VE, for no reason. And next you are sheeping ET on his Acrofalis vote. Why did you vote VE? And could elaborate why you are voting Acrofalis?

On May 24 2012 00:14 Tunkeg wrote:
EchelonTee - Scum

So I have changed my mind. I had ET leaning town early on in the game, I was wrong. He is scum, and this is why:

1. He have been trying to appear active while not really being active. His post have mostly consisted of oneliners, soft accusations and defending others. I think his defence om me was for this purpose only. To appear active, get easy townpoints and be able to put down an early vote. Isolated I viewed his arguement with Acrofalis as townie, as he was sticking his head out. In hindsight I see this as mentioned above - a way to appear active.

2. He don't really want to give us his reads. I have asked him for reads two times, he ignores it. Why dodge questions like that if you are town? Sure, he might think they are trivial and not worth spending his time on. But I see refusing to answer questions as scummy.

3. He listed that he would be ok with lynching jeb, acid and Katina without any reason. Between them there are two newbies, who are an easy misslynch because they are inexperienced and Katina, who is famous for being very lurky (at least she have been in all games I have played with her), and is also a player that is easy to get a misslynch on.

4. He voted for jeb just before the deadline (on the deadline actually) without any reason. And in a very suspicious way: "When is the deadline", like he did it on purpose, so that he wouldn't have to post any reasoning to why he voted jeb, and not get hold accountable for it.

ET is my number one scumread. Feel free to discuss it or not, especially if you disagree. If you agreeyou are probably better off waiting until after the night is over. Because if ET is scum scumteam will probably lynch someone who agrees to make it less likely he get lynched on day 2.

On May 24 2012 07:51 Zealos wrote:
In fact, hiro, you've written nothing of substance all game bar a case against Mouldy. Your points against Tunkeg have seemed weak, and your latest post is downright dreadful. Seems like you're tunnelling tunkeg to avoid giving any other reads.

On May 24 2012 07:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hiro, your case is pretty bad, I'll summarize it here:

- Pre-game, claimed he wanted to change up his style
- Attempting to appear useful and active while not contributing himself
- His scumread died overnight.

First of all, Tunkeg's assertion that his style would be different this game is not indicative of his alignment as he said it (as far as I know) before the roles went out. Are you saying he said this BEFORE he knew he was scum IN CASE he rolled scum so he could subvert his scum meta? That's a stretch, I don't care how you look at it.

Second, I'm not sure why you attempt to discredit his case against ET, but it seemed well enough thought out, and the points he raised were pretty valid - I had to go back and reread ET to find out if I missed something after reading his case. Yet all you have to say about the case is the following:



All he does is hard-defend ET here - not refute Tunkeg's points or even address the case at all...only buddy up to the one Tunkeg was attacking. That's it. So why was it bad exactly? Do you disagree with his points? Why?

And in the future, don't tell people to stop posting like 5th graders if you're just going to post like a 5th grader ("Guys stop talking unless you're gonna talk about me!").

On May 24 2012 08:12 marvellosity wrote:


Stop it.

All I get from your case on Tunkeg is that he made a post you didn't like that asked a lot of his questions and his scumread died.

Part 2 (ET dying) is wifom-central so I'm going to ignore that for the moment.

What else makes him scum other than the fact he made a list of questions you don't like?

"There is one arguement for not lynching him though, and that is: Would really scum draw this much attention to themself? Most likely not, but in TL Mafia where disruptive players never get lynched it would be a viable strategy. "

On May 24 2012 08:14 Zealos wrote:

There's no point telling people that you think someones scum if you're not gonna try to convince the town to vote with you, or it's just a waste of a vote.

I guess it would be convenient for the mafia players though, tell the town you think someone is scum, but because you don't make a case, no one else will vote for him, so the player will never die and you'll never get proved wrong.

On May 24 2012 08:22 marvellosity wrote:


Ok guys, we're lynching Zealos today. See bold for his excuse on not providing scumreads. See below timestamp for his post where he deferred his scumhunting:



00:04 KST, otherwise known as 16:04 BST. Asleep my arse.

This guy is fucking scummyscumscum.

On May 25 2012 03:13 Acid~ wrote:


And I'm not obligated to follow your directions. Who made you king of the fucking hill? My strongest scumread is Zelblade right now and I intend to push for his death unless someone either

1. makes a case for zelblade's innocence (good luck)
2. makes a stronger case for another lynch

As I said, the case against Zealos is not inexistant, but it's not strong either.

On May 25 2012 03:43 Tunkeg wrote:


This can very well be the scumteam. NT, Mattchew and Zealos where my strongest day one scumreads. And I think you are perfectly right about WBG, I get a stronger and stronger feeling that he is scum. I also find it wierd that Mattchew suddenly start posting, now that you are fireing at WBG. Makes me think that the scumteam have decided that he needs to start posting and help out WBG.

So even if these guys are giving you a hard time don't give up VE. They do it because they are scum.

On May 25 2012 04:25 wherebugsgo wrote:

Zealos has posts and yet is still scummy; we have more information to work with there. Votes don't stick to him and no one defends him, but what's leaving me unsure is the way he himself admitted to voting someone who he thought was more likely to flip town than scum. It's just an odd thing for a scum to do, as opposed to just saying he thought mouldy was scum.

Urm. You say no-one has zero scum reads. Lets look at yours:
Push tunkeg with shit case. Continue to push tunkeg with even worse case. Jump on a Zealos bandwagon.
Who is on your scumteam scummy scum?

On May 25 2012 04:54 Nova_Terra wrote:
also my damn case is buried to shit

On May 25 2012 04:56 Acid~ wrote:


How to explain this... The case against Zealos is made up of bits and pieces. A quote here, a quote there, someone pointed out inconsistencies and so on, but there is no big thing. If you take every single point in a vacuum, none of them scream "SCUM!"

And, looking at the big picture, it's hard to see the scum agenda that should normally be revealed in a situation like this. No one has been able to answer a very simple question that I shouldn't even have to ask.

"If Zealos is scum, what is he trying to achieve by playing this way? How is this playstyle going to lead the mafia to a victory?"

On May 25 2012 20:08 Tunkeg wrote:


Wrong again, there won't be any information that is relevant for todays lynch in it...

On May 25 2012 23:17 Zealos wrote:

Obviously I didn't take part in the games you're referencing, but I'll take your word, unless you think I should read them over.
Assuming you're right with what you're saying, and Katina is normally very strong with her scumreads, maybe we should be putting more pressure on Nova. Her case is pretty weak, and I'd like her to elaborate on why she thinks Nova is scum, if she really believes Nova is scum, then she should try harder to convince us to vote for him.

On May 26 2012 02:11 Zealos wrote:
So, as you guys know, my thoughts on day 1 were.... to put it bluntly, bad.
My main first case was against acro, which was valid at the time, however, I think it's pretty clear to everyone that Marvel is a town player, so there was no point checking him.
The other player I thought was a bit off was Zel. However, he was being super inactive and lurky at the time, so I expected him to be vigged, and so not worth the check.
The reason I did check Hiro, however, is that he was one of the few people who didn't bother questioning me about Jeb. I stand by my decision to vote for him, but it raised a few eyebrows, and for good reason. Hiro on the other hand didn't think twice of it, and was happy to just watch us townies argue between ourselves.

When he came out red, I *slightly* overreacted, hence, the moment I saw any reason to pile pressure on him, I took it, and hoped town would do the same. When this didn't happen, I subtly claimed in the hope one of the vets would see it. This is also why I asked earlier, that a vet would look over my filter and I asked "Is my few mafia traits the only thing that sticks out?" in the hope they would notice, and attempt to help me swing the votes over to Hiro.

Take from this what you will.

On May 26 2012 19:09 Tunkeg wrote:
Zealos, froggynoddy, Mattchew, Tunkeg, VisceraEyes, Acid~

These are the players that voted for HiroPro after the DT check. Zealos, Mattchew, Tunkeg, Acid~ are the players who didn't change their vote. I am certain there is at least one scum among the 5 that isn't Zealos, who either voted and switched or voted and stayed. VE I am scratching, same with froggynoddy (even if I am sold on him being town yet).

This leaves Mattchew and acid.On Mattchew I have said what I think, at least about what occured before the lynch, I have also said what I thought of his flavor posting and his return to normal posting. Acid I think is a good option, he was pushing the counterwagon on Zelblade together with Mattchew. He was softdefending Zealos in a manner that makes me suspicious. He ended up voting Zealos before the claim, but I think the reason for voting is strange:



Add into the mix that Acid left his vote on marvellous day 1, when in the end the lynch was between Jeb and NT, Acids secound biggest scumread. I can not see why a townie wouldn't switch to his secound biggest scumread in a case like this.


Overall I would suggest that the Vig, if the vig is shooting tonight, shoots into the pool that voted HiroPro, and more specifically Mattchew or Acid. These are also the two I think a day 3 lynch should be between if a vig don't shoot.

Also if either of these flips scum Zelblade should be exonerated, as he was the counterwagon,a nd I doubt scum would push another scum for a counterwagon.

On May 22 2012 07:25 Katina wrote:


I made an apperance earlier today. Do you not read over the thread my dear?



I would to bring attention to this lovely post. N_T might be the BM version 2! I say this because of his spam, oneliners, and the fact he seems to be refreshing the thread every 5 minutes. When BM is mafia he always over emphasizes that he is confirmed town.

Such things are silly to say and provide no help to the town I will be setting my vote.

##Vote Nove_Terra

Based on his fliter, he seems to more interesting in proving his innocence then trying to find the Mafia.

Look at this link where N_T was mafia. Notice that he spams here.... and what is he doing this game?
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Spam!

On March 23 2012 14:04 Katina wrote:
DoctorHelvetica is mafia

This is because throughout the game he has been inconsistent in his posting.He doesn't seem to have a focus at all. DrH has done a massive amount of finger pointing. His posts consist of spamming and calling people retards.

DrH is inconsistent and pointing fingers a lot. Take a look at this post:

The last paragraph is important here. He says gumshow is suspicious and is going to vote for him. Yet 8 hours later he makes this post:

And now his focused has shifted to Caller and jaybrundage. And this is where his focused stayed for all of another 12 hours until he posts this:

And now he's dealing with Jackal and Wiggles and Jitsu.

What is interesting is how quickly DrH jumps from one case to the next. He accuses and votes for gumshoe, yet never brings up the case again except where he says he's changing his vote. He moves his vote to Caller at one point before finalizing on Jitsu.

Part of the problem here is that he never follows up on his reads. From here on out all he has are one liners and random posts, there is nothing more about his reads until he makes the following post:


This post came near the end of night 1 as well. Suddenly there is no more attention on Jitsu. He moves away from it just like he did with gumshoe. He makes the occasional one liner about him being mafia, but never pushes his case ever again.

And on Day 2 he makes this post

and Jitsu isn't even on his mafia list. Furthermore he only lists Curu as scum because Curu was being a JubJub. DrH should know better than most that idiocy =/= Mafia. Yet he puts Curu on his mafia list, but removes him later on the account that Curu started making more sense.

DrH is known to second guess himself more than anyone else. He even admits to it. The problem is is that he is not second guessing himself. He makes a case against someone, then immediately drops it and never returns to it. He simply has no focus. His agenda is in correspondence with a mafia. He accuses lots of people to insinuate the doubt. He tries to make everyone look bad so nobody is in the clear. Then when a mafia gets lynched he can immediately defend himself by saying he was onto them.

Someone said that DrH pushed for the Kurumi lynch so therefore he is in the clear. However if you observe the day 2 votes you will notice that it's very likely the mafia team was on Kurumi the whole time. Bill Murray has gotten a town check, the only remaining players not on Kurumi are myself and EchelonTee. So he is not immediately in the clear because of the Kurumi lynch. In fact the majority of his posts about Kurumi entail things like this post:


His posts about Kurumi are much like this one: "vote Kurumi or else you retard!" His only reason for voting Kurumi is that Kurumi scum slipped. No analysis or anything. Vote Kurumi or you're retarded. If this is what scumhunting is than Palmar should be the reigning champion.

Even more proof of his inconsistency can be found if you click his filter and search for my name. Multiple times he lists me as mafia yet he has never hard pushed for me or giving reasons why I need to be lynched. In one post he says, "katina has called me out for stupid reasons but I'm not saying she looks like shit for "tunneling a townie" because my alignment isn't confirmed." This is interesting because when I first accused him he agreed with the arguments that I was making. He even acknowledged that he was jumping all over the place on his reads. As I said before, he's not second guessing himself. He is mafia and is casting doubt upon all the players. He has done a fabulous job of accusing everyone so when someone flips mafia he can say that he was suspicious of said person. Even if he was on Caller and Kurumi, he hasn't done anything recently besides cast more doubt on the remaining players. He has pushed for Jay to get lynched, but the majority of his accusations can be summarized with "Jay is retarded, let's kill him".

This leads into the obvious fact that DrH is acting nothing like he does when he is town. This is evident from his past games. Look at one of his posts from Storm Mafia:

Notice how he is very direct in explaining his actions about where his vote and suspicion lies. There isn't a single post he's made in this game that can be mirrored with a typical post from that game. He hasn't done any explaining this game. He only focuses on the present and fails to address his past behavior. And the few times people have brought up this fact his response has been "well I always second guess myself trolol" Put simply, he is not taking responsibility for his actions.

It's also interesting to note how calm and collected he has been in the past when he is town. The above post is typical in showing is behavior when analyzing and addressing issues. Of course we know him to have a temper from time to time, as we all do whenever we are in a game with VE. However this game he has done nothing but call people retarded over and over again. This attitude is a bit reminiscent of wherebugsgo when he is mafia. I can understand being frustrated with the game (considering I have Jay riding my ass constantly), but the level of his insults coming from DrH is not only out of character, but completely unnatural.

I would also like to mention that this game DrH has an absurd amount of one liners and small posts. A quick glance through Storm Mafia and Arkham City show that his posting length this game is also not in sync with his normal town play. When DrH is town, he is not afraid to write paragraphs upon paragraphs detailing his thoughts. This game we have one liners about how small our IQ is.

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Summary
DrH has been playing completely out of character from his typical town play. He hasn't been focused, anormous finger pointing, one liners and insults. His posts have been inconsistent and bringing confusion into the thread. He has not been responsible this game and he needs to be held accountable for it.
DrH is mafia

##Vote DoctorHelvetica

On May 27 2012 02:34 Katina wrote:
Okay first of all, I'm really tired of people (WBG) assuming I'm mafia because of my Meta I have said myself I have been busy. Stuff kept coming up this week, that's what happens when you have a "Life". I am sorry I couldn't be more active.

Secondly the two people I have been gunning for (N_T and Mattchew) are doing nothing but constantly bashing me. N_T is so focused on getting me lynched he is completely distracting himself from the forum. Mattchew is butt hurt because I got him to crack and stop using his quotes.

Third, I realize that Zealos claimed. I was fine lynching him as I stated in one of my posts before that. So me voting for someone I thought was scummy is considered Mafia? I love the logic behind that.

I apologize for not spewing out random votes and cluttering up the thread like a lot of you do. Everyone is so focused on me for stupid reasons when there are so many scummier people.

On May 16 2012 07:26 Katina wrote:

I have been sir.

I do not mean to overstep your pride here. Let me say again that your reasons for thinking Palmar is innocent are silly. I don't say this in an accusatory way; it's the truth. I don't think you are mafia, but as I said I don't know who the last member on Palmar's team is (I think Wiggles is one of them).

You said that Palmar is innocent because he has had the same reads as you from the start. That does not indicate anything about alignment. Palmar has wanted to kill sandroba and Cephiro (these are the two you listed). But everyone wants to kill those two. Also it makes the most sense that sandroba is the last member of BC's team. So Palmar isn't bussing one of his teammates.

The most incriminating piece of evidence is that Palmar was virtually derping when syllogism was alive. That's cause syllogism was hard core pushing his innocence especially in PMs. I know Foolishness and wherebugsgo were both suspicious of Palmar but syllogism made it hard for them to push that read. That and there were more important targets at the time. If you look through Palmar's post history you will see he was most active day 1 and then in the previous days since syllogism's death. Palmar was using syllogism as an excuse to not do anything. With syllogism constantly pushing his innocence he did not have to try at all, either in the thread or PM. He has only stepped up his posting since syllogism died, whether he's stepped up in PM land or not I don't know.

Even if you want to start pointing guns at me, you still need to explain why Palmar deserves a free pass. Cause this isn't about me, it's about Palmar. And like I said at least one person out of you, me, and Palmar has to be mafia. Unless you're going to claim mafia I'm not stopping until Palmar is dead.

On May 27 2012 07:30 Nova_Terra wrote:
Tunkeg, i was waiting for the first posts after the night to post something.
People here know that as town im an emotional player who omguses and people Who agree with my reads are likely to get listed as town and agreed with im my book
so, i purposely tunneled katina. why? scum who watches my tunneling will start to "suspect" katina, probably as a change from earlier reads. then i check posts and see when this happens, and therefore find scum.

now lets take a look at our friend hiropro.
just a few posts ago, hiro comments, "why lynch katina over Tunkeg" which is a soft defense of katina.
now, look what just happened. Hiro goes onto katina in the exact manner i just layed out. gg yo

On May 27 2012 07:31 Tunkeg wrote:


VE is very capable of arguing with his scumbuddy all game long. WBG is also a very capable scumplayer. So I would not exclude that scenario at all. The thing though is that I know WBG have said many times that he don't bus his teammate as scum. But he pushed Zealos, and that is why I think it would be strange if he turned up scum. Also his posting near the end of day 2 gave me townvibes on him.

But really, I will have to do some rereading before day 3 lynch, and I would advise the rest of you to do it as well. Pick out the 3-4 players who you think is most scummy and reread them, do some eliminations among them and post your cases. And please if you are town don't turn red with rage because someone is calling you scum, try to point out where they are wrong without turning this into a mudslinging contest. If we can do this, we might succeed.

On May 27 2012 07:58 Nova_Terra wrote:
and what does being conceited have anything to do with this

On May 27 2012 08:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
Cool.

I'll be brief. I want you to lynch me if you PROMISE TO LYNCH BUGS NEXT. Everyone seems to think either Bugs or I am scum or that we both are. As such, if you guys have a handle on this outside the two of us, I prefer you just get us out of the way first so whoever is left is confirmed whatever. Please guys, no one is going to listen to anything I say at this point and I'm just a distraction. Remove it. Also I'm the Doctor, so if you don't lynch one of me or Bugs, I'm dead tonight anyway.

Gg guys, sorry I allowed Bugs to mindfuck me so hard this game.

On May 27 2012 08:40 Nova_Terra wrote:
okay well howabout this
Im cop,
check results are WBG town Hiro scum

On May 27 2012 08:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
No I haven't been breadcrumbing...I'm paranoid about scum figuring them out before town whenever I roll blue :/

N1 I protected froggy and N2 I protected Tune...I literally flipped a coin between him and Marvelous

On May 28 2012 05:01 Katina wrote:


Smart. Give the Mafia targets to shoot....

On May 29 2012 04:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Vote: HiroPro

Bugs, Nova_Terra, Mattchew

That's what I'm going with for 1000.

I apologize that my will to play this game has been sapped. GG guys.

On May 30 2012 08:32 Mattchew wrote:
A. I am asking for your thoughts smartass
B. If you are town why didnt scum push for a nt or you lynch yesterday and get the ez win today
C. Im inclined to believe you cause tunk is voting you... I also realize by not voting you I give scum the power to pretty much choose their lynch from anyone

On May 31 2012 03:50 Navillus wrote:
Okay well I definitely think we should leave it on hiro, he is absolutely our closest to confirmed scum and we're at lylo. Moreover I don't even really see what WBG is saying about how scum should have killed froggy, I was under the impression that DTs are pretty good and letting a claimed DT live is in general a pretty bad move for the scumteam, even if he's not necessarily believed at the moment. Also Hiro's here and he's not trying to push the lynch away, if he were town then he would know that this lynch going through is game-over we lose, but instead we get... a picture.

On May 29 2012 04:19 Navillus wrote:
Soo I'm back and, I honestly just don't know... I guess at this point we just go through with VE's plan, I just got in and I've stayed caught up on my phone but I couldn't really analyze much, I'm gonna go back over the thread and see if I can make sense of what's been happening or if there's anything I've missed but... yeah I really don't know what to do at this point.

##Vote VisceraEyes

On June 07 2012 16:22 wherebugsgo wrote:
I ran into this gem just now: