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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 26 2012 13:37 GMT
#1301
EBWOP: got my words mixed up in the last paragraph, *bugs is this big fake-claim advocate as scum, not scum is this big fake-claim advocate
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 26 2012 13:39 GMT
#1302
further EBWOP: Zealos' DT claim, not doctor claim >.<
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 26 2012 13:40 GMT
#1303
As far as your analysis of my actions Marvel, to be fair I hadn't gone back to analyze the claim at all, as you say, but when I did I realized the truth immediately, and gave the only actual analysis of WHY he was absolutely lying.

Add to that the fact that I was, along with Bugs and you, one of the first today to put any pressure on Zealos and I would say that not quite EVERYTHING is wrong.

What I find the most interesting is that you came in here and posted half-assed attacks of me and Bugs now, when you're about to leave, but yesterday when we would have had time to respond to this stuff you had no interest. I mean, I get that it was late, but you had PLENTY of posts yesterday before you went to bed between the observations you just commented on and when you when you left the thread. If "Everything is wrong here" then why not mention it then when I could respond?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 26 2012 13:44 GMT
#1304
On May 26 2012 22:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
What I find the most interesting is that you came in here and posted half-assed attacks of me and Bugs now, when you're about to leave, but yesterday when we would have had time to respond to this stuff you had no interest. I mean, I get that it was late, but you had PLENTY of posts yesterday before you went to bed between the observations you just commented on and when you when you left the thread. If "Everything is wrong here" then why not mention it then when I could respond?


Because to put together the last post I had to

1) go back and read the thread where where Zealos first breadcrumbed
2) go back and read the thread at the point Zealos revealed his claim properly
3) looked through wbg's and my filter to put together my thoughts on him
4) looked at your filter in conjunction with how things went down in the thread

These things take time, and today is where I found that time.

Do not try to discredit what I say because of when I posted it.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 26 2012 13:49 GMT
#1305
Why would I do that? I found the timing suspicious and commented on it. I used the phrase "as you say" to indicate that there's nothing wrong factually with what you said and tried to explain my actions.

Now...regarding this sudden defensiveness.....
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 26 2012 13:52 GMT
#1306
Also Zealous never breadcrumbed anything that I could see...I posted the very first time he mentioned Hire admit was certainly no breadcrumb...
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 26 2012 13:53 GMT
#1307
*Hiro and it....autocorrect... -.-
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 26 2012 13:54 GMT
#1308
On May 26 2012 22:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
As far as your analysis of my actions Marvel, to be fair I hadn't gone back to analyze the claim at all, as you say, but when I did I realized the truth immediately, and gave the only actual analysis of WHY he was absolutely lying.

Add to that the fact that I was, along with Bugs and you, one of the first today to put any pressure on Zealos and I would say that not quite EVERYTHING is wrong.


So what if you were vaguely suspicious of Zealos early on? Scum are quiet happy to vaguely bus their team-mates, and you did so before I made the first major case on Zealos.

As per my last post, it is the timings of how you responded to the claim that I find most suspicious. You went back to analyse only after I had heavily attacked the claim, and of course at that point it's very easy to argue for the switch. The fact is at the time when the wagon was growing on Hiro, you happily joined it with no critical thought. That is the pertinent point.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 26 2012 13:54 GMT
#1309
By breadcrumbed I meant the post he said "I can't believe no-one else sees the Red"
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Tunkeg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway1235 Posts
May 26 2012 13:56 GMT
#1310
On May 26 2012 22:44 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2012 22:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
What I find the most interesting is that you came in here and posted half-assed attacks of me and Bugs now, when you're about to leave, but yesterday when we would have had time to respond to this stuff you had no interest. I mean, I get that it was late, but you had PLENTY of posts yesterday before you went to bed between the observations you just commented on and when you when you left the thread. If "Everything is wrong here" then why not mention it then when I could respond?


Because to put together the last post I had to

1) go back and read the thread where where Zealos first breadcrumbed
2) go back and read the thread at the point Zealos revealed his claim properly
3) looked through wbg's and my filter to put together my thoughts on him
4) looked at your filter in conjunction with how things went down in the thread

These things take time, and today is where I found that time.

Do not try to discredit what I say because of when I posted it.


Have you considered the possibility off a scumteam with both WBG and VE? And that their headbutting is a deliberate scumtactic to throw town off?

I was thinking about this, because I have found both abit weird. But my conclusion on it is that it is pretty far fetched, and isn't a possibility worth looking into until one have flipped scum (if that were to happend).

I also think there are far better targets as previously mentioned, and neither WBG or VE should be targets of a lynch for day 3. In fact I don't believe either is scum as of now.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 26 2012 13:56 GMT
#1311
Tunkeg, I think wbg is town and I think VE is scum.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 26 2012 13:57 GMT
#1312
That is a soft claim...a breadcrumb is like...him hinting at his action BEFORE he makes it so.that if he dies we as a town can guess at the actions he took...he did no such thing.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 26 2012 13:58 GMT
#1313
On May 26 2012 22:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
That is a soft claim...a breadcrumb is like...him hinting at his action BEFORE he makes it so.that if he dies we as a town can guess at the actions he took...he did no such thing.


Why are you picking at wording? I was just saying that is the point of the thread to go back and read. Call it whatever the hell you like.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 26 2012 14:00 GMT
#1314
Well all I can do is try and prove you wrong.

And I thought we were going to find the scum together. This recent turn makes me a sad VE.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Acid~
Profile Joined September 2010
Thailand442 Posts
May 26 2012 14:00 GMT
#1315
On May 26 2012 21:42 marvellosity wrote:
I don't like this '50-50 case'.

This isn't the case. Zealos was getting lynched before he outed his claim because a lot of people believed he was scum. Hiro did not have a single vote.

I don't get in which world this is 50-50


I meant there was a 50-50 chance Zealos was scum and a 50-50 chance Hiro was scum.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36160 Posts
May 26 2012 14:02 GMT
#1316
On May 26 2012 23:00 Acid~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2012 21:42 marvellosity wrote:
I don't like this '50-50 case'.

This isn't the case. Zealos was getting lynched before he outed his claim because a lot of people believed he was scum. Hiro did not have a single vote.

I don't get in which world this is 50-50


I meant there was a 50-50 chance Zealos was scum and a 50-50 chance Hiro was scum.


Yes, and my post there shows how that wasn't the case...
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
May 26 2012 14:04 GMT
#1317
Where is this coming from marvel? Why the sudden animosity? I mean, okay you're suspicious...but that doesn't mean you have to be immediately defensive about everything I say. I'm nipicking your verbiage so you know the difference and can use the term correctly in the future, it's not some kind of ploy to make you look stupid or discredit you or anything, I'm just trying to help. That's what I do. But whatever, I can stop. I was only doing so because you're the type who likes to be right and you were using the term wrong.

I don't need this - it's still night. I'm not going to be dragged into a shouting match right now.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Tunkeg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Norway1235 Posts
May 26 2012 14:07 GMT
#1318
On May 26 2012 23:02 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2012 23:00 Acid~ wrote:
On May 26 2012 21:42 marvellosity wrote:
I don't like this '50-50 case'.

This isn't the case. Zealos was getting lynched before he outed his claim because a lot of people believed he was scum. Hiro did not have a single vote.

I don't get in which world this is 50-50


I meant there was a 50-50 chance Zealos was scum and a 50-50 chance Hiro was scum.


Yes, and my post there shows how that wasn't the case...


My read is that Acid does not even try to understand half of what he reads. See what I did here Acid? Now reply to:

On May 26 2012 21:46 Tunkeg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2012 21:39 Acid~ wrote:
On May 26 2012 09:33 Acid~ wrote:
On May 26 2012 09:28 VisceraEyes wrote:

What is YOUR interpretation of the Zealos flip Acid? What do you think about Tunkeg's opinion about Mattchew's behavior leading up to the lynch?


I'm pretty hammered right now, let me sleep it off. I'm quoting this so I remember to respond. I'll do it before the end of the game night.


Ok, here goes. I'm not surprised Zealos flipped scum. I wouldn't have been surprised if he had flipped town either. On top of that, while WBG did change his vote when Zealos claimed DT, he also put the heat on him in the first place and helped in consolidating the vote along with marvellosity. For this reason, I believe this removes them both from the list of potential scum.

Mattchew's reasoning is similar to mine - when a 50-50 case exists between two targets, it seems logical to aim for the one that did not blue claim.

Now, as it turns out, we were wrong (or were we? this doesn't remove suspicion from HiroPro at all), but that does not mean that the reasoning was faulty.

Tunkeg's post about Mattchew is like all of Tunkeg's posts so far : inutile. Unlike some of you, I don't have a high level of faith in humanity so based on his posting so far in the game, my read is that Tunkeg does not even try to understand half of what he reads.

As an aside.

I've had a town read on matt since the beginning, for one simple reason. I love MTG and it's the main reason why I signed up for this game. I enjoyed the shit out of his flavor posts and I loved reading into them, even though I didn't know what cards the flavor text was from most of the time. It was just elegant. And I understood what he meant just fine. If I had been a veteran of TL mafia, or a respected/known poster on TL or something like that, I would probably have tried to post like that as well.
Unless I was scum. That's the thing. As scum I would NOT ever do something like this. It's not nearly disruptive enough to be a viable scum strategy except if the townies are all riding the shortbus. And when the thread started going to shit because of other disruptive elements, he stopped the flavor posting. I heard some silly arguments like "it's such an obvious town move that it has to be a scum move", but I tend to disregard mindgames like that because the bottom line is: his behavior helped town more than scum so far.



Why are my posts useless? Give me examples. What posts is it that you think I don't understand? What are your understanding of how I understand them? Bring something else then this discrediting shit man.




Acid~
Profile Joined September 2010
Thailand442 Posts
May 26 2012 14:18 GMT
#1319
On May 26 2012 22:09 Tunkeg wrote:
Also Acid you are contradicting yourself big time if you say you enjoyed the shit out of Mattchews posting:

Show nested quote +
On May 23 2012 02:25 Acid~ wrote:
On May 23 2012 02:11 Mattchew wrote:
On May 23 2012 01:54 Acid~ wrote:
On May 22 2012 23:15 Tunkeg wrote:
Questions

@acid
How do you think WBG, VE and Katina have played thus far? They are all in on a NT case, what do you read from this?



Nothing much to say. They make a good case against NT, but I'm tempted to agree with VE when he says that it feels too easy.

"What is worse than a wolf in sheep's clothing?" —Wolfhunter's riddle


In a strange twist of fate, one of the most annoying creatures in the multiverse was brought to the place where it could cause the most damage.


I'll admit I have a hard time reading these flavor posts as they have some ambiguity to them (hence why I hated them in the first place). But the way I interpret this is that you think Mattchew is being annoying with his flavor posting.


Doesn't surprise me. You're much too litteral in your reading.

By posting in the same manner as him, I wanted to express support on a personal level. However, I also wanted to point out that his posting could end up being detrimental to town if it pissed off the other townies.
Acid~
Profile Joined September 2010
Thailand442 Posts
May 26 2012 14:19 GMT
#1320
On May 26 2012 23:02 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2012 23:00 Acid~ wrote:
On May 26 2012 21:42 marvellosity wrote:
I don't like this '50-50 case'.

This isn't the case. Zealos was getting lynched before he outed his claim because a lot of people believed he was scum. Hiro did not have a single vote.

I don't get in which world this is 50-50


I meant there was a 50-50 chance Zealos was scum and a 50-50 chance Hiro was scum.


Yes, and my post there shows how that wasn't the case...


No, it shows why *you* think it wasn't the case. Am I still allowed to form my own opinions?
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