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On May 27 2012 02:34 Katina wrote:
Okay first of all, I'm really tired of people (WBG) assuming I'm mafia because of my Meta I have said myself I have been busy. Stuff kept coming up this week, that's what happens when you have a "Life". I am sorry I couldn't be more active.
Secondly the two people I have been gunning for (N_T and Mattchew) are doing nothing but constantly bashing me. N_T is so focused on getting me lynched he is completely distracting himself from the forum. Mattchew is butt hurt because I got him to crack and stop using his quotes.
Third, I realize that Zealos claimed. I was fine lynching him as I stated in one of my posts before that. So me voting for someone I thought was scummy is considered Mafia? I love the logic behind that.
I apologize for not spewing out random votes and cluttering up the thread like a lot of you do. Everyone is so focused on me for stupid reasons when there are so many scummier people.
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No, the reason you are scum isnt because you voted for Zealos
I'll "constantly bash" you as long as you keep playing like scum, scum. until you get lynched or shot ofc. Thanks for telling us that we dont have lives. it makes me like you more.
any points in this post are currently invalid.
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On May 27 2012 02:47 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 02:40 Mattchew wrote:On May 27 2012 02:34 Katina wrote:
Okay first of all, I'm really tired of people (WBG) assuming I'm mafia because of my Meta I have said myself I have been busy. Stuff kept coming up this week, that's what happens when you have a "Life". I am sorry I couldn't be more active.
Secondly the two people I have been gunning for (N_T and Mattchew) are doing nothing but constantly bashing me. N_T is so focused on getting me lynched he is completely distracting himself from the forum. Mattchew is butt hurt because I got him to crack and stop using his quotes.
Third, I realize that Zealos claimed. I was fine lynching him as I stated in one of my posts before that. So me voting for someone I thought was scummy is considered Mafia? I love the logic behind that.
I apologize for not spewing out random votes and cluttering up the thread like a lot of you do. Everyone is so focused on me for stupid reasons when there are so many scummier people. Omg you have a "life"... whats that like? I'm sure that no one else on the forum has things going on outside this game Bashing you? I haven't seen NT bash you once, he has however called you scum, so have I. I am not "butthurt" about you making me post regularly, I am "butthurt" about how unbelievably terribly you are playing if you are town. Your reasoning for thinking Zealos was scum was just so clear HOW COULD I HAVE MISSED IT, I mean you easily have the most quality posts in the whole thread detailing out your thought process, asking pressing questions of others and sharing your cases and reads on other players. Your right, a vote with literally no reasoning is totally not spewing out a random vote. Also, posting reads thoughts and haveing conversations with players about the game in the thread is totally just clutter. Thank you for proving my point Mattchew. Yeah, I don't imagine you would know what one is like. Your not butt hurt by that? Could have fooled me.That's why you have been riding my butt since you started posting reguarly. If you honestly think that N_T hasn't been gunning for me or bashing me then you are really blind my dear sir. I have been posting my reads and thoughts. Not my fault you don't have the attention span to actually read the posts. You don't even need to really. All you do is end up coming right back at me. You are definetly Mafia and it's all just a matter of time before people pull their heads out of the sand and realize that.
Gunning for you always, not bashing lol
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On May 27 2012 03:05 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 02:57 Katina wrote:On May 25 2012 02:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
This is such a waste of time and thread space lol.
Anyway, Katina where are you? Just finished reading the thread dear. Lots of pages to read this morning. I really like how people are so focused on me when there are clearly scummy people like N_T and Mattchew. One of those two should be the top lynch candidates for today hands down. N_T has not nearly been as active today as he has been from the start of the game. He wants to kill me only bescause I'm pushing for him hard. He has been staying in the shadows today and only poking his head out when the votes start coming in on another player. May I bring up my past arguements against him: 1. Spam! 2. Spam! 3. More focused on proving his innocence than scum hunting (unless you want to call his only scum read on me as "scum hunting".) 4. Inconsistent As I have stated he is only focusing on me and now by making that "Case" against me is a waste of time that could be used to find the Mafia. As for Mattchew, I mean really? Do I even have to explain why I think he's scum and want to lynch him? He has been completely ignoring me when I have called him out. Wait. He ignores just about everything and only comments when he has a qoute for it. He's not being helpful at all to the town and it annoys me that he is still alive and not being considered for the lynch. Others have commented on how annoying his qoutes are but yet no one has felt the need to vote for him. This is a continuation of my case against N_T as I said, read my filter honey. Were you too busy making quotes to read the thread day 1?
sweetheart, please stop using pet names to talk down to me, and I have read your filter, a lot, k puddin?
your NT case is that he spams and thinks you are scum. You cant actually think this is strong. you don't even point out an example of him being inconsistent, yet you just conveniently list it against him. You also downplay his case by not responding to it, instead you just put quotations around it.
Your case on me is even worse, you say I was ignoring you. You posted this + Show Spoiler +On May 23 2012 07:21 Katina wrote:
I think for tomorrow's lynch candidates should be Mattchew or N_T On May 24 2012 03:53 Katina wrote:
You know Mattchew, your quotes are cute and all but I can't help wonder what your motivation is for doing so. The games I have played in with you are nothing like this. Are you and N_T Mafia buddies? On May 24 2012 06:39 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 06:10 Mattchew wrote:
"Mattchew will never be able to quote this." -Artanis "You are Scum" - Katina
Is this really considered quality to you?
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@VE since your hear, whats your thoughts on katina.. especially regarding this recent argument.
Do you think Katina has posted quality posts like she says she has?
Do you think there is merit in any of her cases? If so, where? If not, why?
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And you havent defended crap. except you're good at saying Well i, for one, have a life and therefore i cant post.
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It could be genuine frustration, it could be something more sinister...we just can't tel from the information present. I would seriously consider shooting her if Ivhad a gun tonight, but I want her reads before I consider her a lynch target tomorrow.
That being said, her tone is much more defensive than I'd expect from sum Katina.
Reading null presently.
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But what about her cases... please answer the questions I asked of you
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also, you'd seriously consider shooting someone you are null on?
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Calm down sir.
Now, her case on N_T was bad. Anyone can see that spamming the thread and and being inconsistent do not on their own...it takes more than that to make someone scum and Travis where Katina's cases lack...the WHY of it all. She claims that it's a meta read, which honestly I can't argue with other than saying he's relatively new and meta isn't the most reliable.
Here case on you is similarly lacking in actual substance, but again...it could be rabro w inexperience or something else. Reading null bro...sorry. 
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Travis = that's ...effing autocorrect
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Yes I would...that's the point of shooting workers Matt...they don't post so you can't get a read on them...which means they could be hiding scum.
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I really like how N_T just happens to show up and join in on this.
I think it's interesting how you go as far as to pick at the pet names. They are fun aren't they, cupcake?
On a more serious note. I haven't been able to be here to make clearer cases on people. I am usually too busy trying to catch up on the thread.
Your excuses for thinking I'm mafia is that
1. I lurk, I have told you why I haven't been here and I'm here now trying to defend myself.
2. I made accusations against people. I didn't know that was a scummy trait.
With number 2. particularly my accusations against N_T and Mattchew. I was one of the first if not the the first to accuse him and make a case against him day 1. A lot of people agreed with me then about my case. Have I mentioned that day 1 N_T made 100 posts and day 2 he made 30? Typical lurking strategy after almost dying.
N_T I don't think any points are invalid in this game. Unless you're mafia I guess because then you already know what's what.
As I have started many times my reads are Mattchew and N_T and I'm looking at Acid.
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Sorry guys, I intended on coming back earlier but things caught up with me.
If I'm not around longer then I should probably let you guys know certain things I've observed, so I'll put that up before deadline.
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On May 27 2012 03:50 wherebugsgo wrote:
Sorry guys, I intended on coming back earlier but things caught up with me.
If I'm not around longer then I should probably let you guys know certain things I've observed, so I'll put that up before deadline.
I await with bated breath. Make sure to include the stunning revelation you've had that makes me irrefutably scum, it should be pretty entertaining. ^^
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On May 27 2012 03:43 VisceraEyes wrote:Calm down sir. Now, her case on N_T was bad. Anyone can see that spamming the thread and and being inconsistent do not on their own...it takes more than that to make someone scum and Travis where Katina's cases lack...the WHY of it all. She claims that it's a meta read, which honestly I can't argue with other than saying he's relatively new and meta isn't the most reliable. Here case on you is similarly lacking in actual substance, but again...it could be rabro w inexperience or something else. Reading null bro...sorry.
Didn't you agree with my case day 1? I know quite a few people did because he almost got lynched. And I was one of the first people to call him out.
He spams, he's inconsistent. He's more intent on defending himself than scumhunting. He made 100 posts day 1. Day 2 he made 30. That's a big problem. Do we need Mattchew to accidentally post the mafia team again to convince you?
Mattchew's thing with the quotes is just bad. Clearly the only motivation he has for doing that is he has something to hide. Why else would he do such a thing in a mini game with normal roles? At least in insane mafia it made sense for Foolishness to post in Limericks considering he had a role. He has an agenda. That much is obvious. Anyone who has an agenda in a mini game like this needs to die.
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So one thing btw that I wanted to point out immediately was that I didn't think scum would create a situation in which only scum were at risk of dying.
Going back and looking at the votes that sheds a lot of information.
Thinking from a scum perspective, you at least want the chance of a mislynch. So when we go back and reread we should look at who would've been good mislynch candidates.
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damn, I was going to wait till deadline but I'm not going to be around now because I was asked to go to a movie.
I'm also going to have to post everything relatively quickly since I need to leave at like...5:20 EDT. lol. (4:50 now)
Firstly my reasons for suspecting Acid:
When I first started prodding Acid his responses were relatively weak to me.
On May 24 2012 09:40 Acid~ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 07:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
You bore me.
Acid who would you kill today? Zelblade. He's posted nothing of value and his vote on Jeb was just a follower vote. He also promised us content but has failed to deliver. Katina lurks too much. And finally, I think there's at least one scum between you and VE. Haven't made up my mind which one yet.
Both of his targets were lurkers, and it's fairly easy to make a case on a lurker. Just say you'll kill them, since they're not doing anything.
It's much harder to talk about more active players (such as zealos, VE, or me). Acid does a fairly scummy thing here in that he says he's convinced one of me and VE is scum but not which one. This forces the issue of VE vs WBG but doesn't actually give us any insight into what he thinks. There's also no justification for it and every time he's been asked for justification there's almost none provided.
Think back on Zealos; this is exactly what he did with his scumreads. When asked for scumreads the closest he got was tunneling hiro based on non-issues, after the lynch and after he was under some more serious pressure.
Likewise, Acid didn't really do anything until put under some pressure by ET (and later me). Even so, his actions haven't really lined up with the interest of finding scum but rather have lined up with saving his own ass. He seems to do just enough to continue living rather than actually help town; this is apparent in how he acts on the zelblade vs zealos issue later.
On May 24 2012 18:48 Acid~ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 17:44 wherebugsgo wrote:Is he gone? <peeks around a corner> Anyway if Acid never responds, we kill him. To make that threat more real, let's turn up the heat. ##vote Acid~Nova, do you support a lynch of any of Acid, zealos, or Tunkeg? Fine, I'll respond. I don't think I would lynch Tunkeg today. There's nothing about his play that seems scummy to me. Zealos, that might happen if you could make a real case against him.
The tone of response here makes it apparent that it was his intention to continue ignoring me.
Why? I had a perfectly valid reason for ignoring VE on that same subject: I had already been asking Acid that question and it made little sense to reveal my own opinions on a question I wanted a scummy target to answer. It makes very little sense, though, for Acid to ignore that same question. There is no justification provided either.
Again, we see a barebones answer. Zealos "might" happen if I could make a real case against him. The double standard is apparent here; Acid is completely fine with lynching zelblade, a player for whom no real case existed at that point. Yet, in order for his vote to go to Zealos, there would need to be a "real" case on Zealos pushed by me specifically (and marvellosity comes in and points out that there already exists a substantial case on zealos)
So Acid spends 20ish minutes reading marvellosity's case on zealos and comes back with this:
On May 24 2012 19:17 Acid~ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 18:51 marvellosity wrote:On May 24 2012 18:48 Acid~ wrote:On May 24 2012 17:44 wherebugsgo wrote:Is he gone? <peeks around a corner> Anyway if Acid never responds, we kill him. To make that threat more real, let's turn up the heat. ##vote Acid~Nova, do you support a lynch of any of Acid, zealos, or Tunkeg? Fine, I'll respond. I don't think I would lynch Tunkeg today. There's nothing about his play that seems scummy to me. Zealos, that might happen if you could make a real case against him. As opposed to my fake case you mean? After reading both your case and Zealos's filter, I wouldn't say your case is fake, but it's a little on the weak side. I would much rather get rid of either Zelblade or Katina. Of the two, I think Zelblade is more dangerous. He hasn't posted a single analysis or scumread and was content with bandwagoning Mouldy Jeb. ##vote zelblade
Note there is NO specific response to the case.
The case was pretty substantial and had at least 5-6 points in favor of zealos being scum. Among them were zealos not scumhunting, choosing to tunnel hiro after the lynch, contradicting himself, etc. etc. None of these were addressed or refuted in this post. Again, a very barebones response and very unsatisfactory.
What Acid did here is undermine marvellosity's case. Undermining is quite easy to do as scum; you just dismiss the case and then push an alternative lynch of someone who you think is more likely to get bandwagoned. Zelblade was that choice.
Recall that this is what Acid said when zelblade was afk
On May 25 2012 03:46 Acid~ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 03:28 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 25 2012 03:13 Acid~ wrote:On May 25 2012 02:03 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 25 2012 01:58 Acid~ wrote:On May 25 2012 01:53 wherebugsgo wrote:
Marvellosity you just have to read my posts. I'm not giving you nothing and you know that. I'm trying to lynch Zealos just as much as you are, but as long as other players are defending him indirectly by voting other players, but not calling him town, we can't get him killed.
Think about it, everyone calls him suspicious but their votes end up elsewhere.
VE at this point is just being annoying and confrontational. I don't particularly care right now why he keeps calling me scum, since he's obviously wrong, but if today's lynch does not fall on scum then I'll take the responsibility for the lynch.
You can lynch me after and town can lose. I said I'd be OK for a Zealos lynch. I'm willing to change my vote from zelblade to Zealos if you can tell me why you think zelblade isn't scum. Whether or not Zealos is scum at this point has absolutely nothing to do with zelblade's alignment and therefore I'm obligated to do anything for you in terms of showing you that zelblade is town or whatever. Either you think Zealos is scum or not. Right now I don't feel like sparing very much effort since there's no point when more than half of you don't read to begin with. And I'm not obligated to follow your directions. Who made you king of the fucking hill? My strongest scumread is Zelblade right now and I intend to push for his death unless someone either 1. makes a case for zelblade's innocence (good luck) 2. makes a stronger case for another lynch As I said, the case against Zealos is not inexistant, but it's not strong either. You realize that in order to kill someone in this game, you have to convince them of your correctness? In other words if you want us to kill zelblade over zealos then you should convince us to kill him instead of telling us to convince you to not kill zelblade. It's called burden of proof; the burden of proof is always on the person making the assertion. If you make the assertion that zelblade is scum, then YOU should be the one to explain it. No one is obligated to show you why zelblade is innocent or whatever. As town I don't even know if zelblade is innocent. Anyway, the case on Zealos has already been put forth; read Marvellosity's filter. If you don't want to do that then I don't see how you expect to win, as reading is mandatory to do almost anything else in a game of mafia. You call the zealos case not strong. What parts of it are weak? I have made my case against zelblade. It's pretty fucking straightforward and I made it in direct reply to a question you asked me, so I would assume you've read it. Practice what you preach. Zelblade lurked for most of the game, never tried to scumhunt, never shared reads or offered anything of value to the town in any way whatsoever. His sole contribution to the thread so far has been to vote for Jeb. Did you read his case for Jeb? Here it is, in all its glory : Show nested quote +On May 23 2012 00:00 zelblade wrote:
I still think nova is scummy. But mouldy more so. Agree with marv's case generally.
Now, this a call to ALL TOWNIES : read zelblade's filter. ALL OF IT. It won't take long, there's barely a page and that alone tells you more than you need to know.
When zelblade came back, did this change at all? Not really, but Acid changed votes to stay with the town sentiment.
When Zealos claimed, Acid immediately voted for Hiro without actually thinking about the claim. He talked very little about it. Contrast this with the towniest responses I saw to the claim and IMO the most town looking players all discussed the claim at least in two or three posts before coming to a conclusion.
Since then I've become less sure of Acid being scum, particularly as he pointed out a few things I don't think a scum would point out. However I may just be second guessing myself, or perhaps I'm just giving acid too much credit to begin with and he's just a townie who doesn't feel like playing the analysis game.
At any rate tomorrow I expect Acid to step it up and provide a proper case on who he thinks is scum (assuming he survives the night). If I die I expect you all to hold him to that. If I don't die I'll do it myself.
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Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if a.vigil takes.care of him before that.
Well posted Bugs, I agree with most of it. The parts I don't agree with change nothing about the conclusion though.
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