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On May 26 2012 21:45 zelblade wrote:
Acid same question: Why didnt you doubt the "DT claim" at all?
Also who is your strongest scumread? Still me?
And tone down on the insults please, no need to start another shitstorm here.
It's not that I didn't doubt it. I was more a Pascal's wager kind of thing. Since there was, in my mind, a 50-50 chance of either of them being scum, in the event where I'm right, both outcomes are the same :
-we lynch mafia
If I'm wrong, one of two things happen :
-we lynch Hiro and he is town, we lose a townie.
-we lynch Zealos and he is town, we lose a detective.
I didn't go for the "strongest read" because I didn't have a strongest read. So I went with the choice that I deemed had the most chance of being favorable to town.
You're not my strongest read anymore. You've stopped lurking and are participating in the discussion. I can't say the same for Katina, however. If both WBG and VE live through the night, I will support a VE lynch.
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On May 26 2012 22:56 marvellosity wrote:
Tunkeg, I think wbg is town and I think VE is scum.
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On May 26 2012 23:07 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 23:02 marvellosity wrote:On May 26 2012 23:00 Acid~ wrote:On May 26 2012 21:42 marvellosity wrote:
I don't like this '50-50 case'.
This isn't the case. Zealos was getting lynched before he outed his claim because a lot of people believed he was scum. Hiro did not have a single vote.
I don't get in which world this is 50-50 I meant there was a 50-50 chance Zealos was scum and a 50-50 chance Hiro was scum. Yes, and my post there shows how that wasn't the case... My read is that Acid does not even try to understand half of what he reads. See what I did here Acid? Now reply to: Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 21:46 Tunkeg wrote:On May 26 2012 21:39 Acid~ wrote:On May 26 2012 09:33 Acid~ wrote:On May 26 2012 09:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
What is YOUR interpretation of the Zealos flip Acid? What do you think about Tunkeg's opinion about Mattchew's behavior leading up to the lynch? I'm pretty hammered right now, let me sleep it off. I'm quoting this so I remember to respond. I'll do it before the end of the game night. Ok, here goes. I'm not surprised Zealos flipped scum. I wouldn't have been surprised if he had flipped town either. On top of that, while WBG did change his vote when Zealos claimed DT, he also put the heat on him in the first place and helped in consolidating the vote along with marvellosity. For this reason, I believe this removes them both from the list of potential scum. Mattchew's reasoning is similar to mine - when a 50-50 case exists between two targets, it seems logical to aim for the one that did not blue claim. Now, as it turns out, we were wrong (or were we? this doesn't remove suspicion from HiroPro at all), but that does not mean that the reasoning was faulty. Tunkeg's post about Mattchew is like all of Tunkeg's posts so far : inutile. Unlike some of you, I don't have a high level of faith in humanity so based on his posting so far in the game, my read is that Tunkeg does not even try to understand half of what he reads.As an aside. I've had a town read on matt since the beginning, for one simple reason. I love MTG and it's the main reason why I signed up for this game. I enjoyed the shit out of his flavor posts and I loved reading into them, even though I didn't know what cards the flavor text was from most of the time. It was just elegant. And I understood what he meant just fine. If I had been a veteran of TL mafia, or a respected/known poster on TL or something like that, I would probably have tried to post like that as well. Unless I was scum. That's the thing. As scum I would NOT ever do something like this. It's not nearly disruptive enough to be a viable scum strategy except if the townies are all riding the shortbus. And when the thread started going to shit because of other disruptive elements, he stopped the flavor posting. I heard some silly arguments like "it's such an obvious town move that it has to be a scum move", but I tend to disregard mindgames like that because the bottom line is: his behavior helped town more than scum so far. Why are my posts useless? Give me examples. What posts is it that you think I don't understand? What are your understanding of how I understand them? Bring something else then this discrediting shit man.
I see no value in getting into a pissing contest with you. Arguing about why you are useless or why I am useless is not going to root out any scum.
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On May 26 2012 23:18 Acid~ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 22:09 Tunkeg wrote:Also Acid you are contradicting yourself big time if you say you enjoyed the shit out of Mattchews posting: On May 23 2012 02:25 Acid~ wrote:On May 23 2012 02:11 Mattchew wrote:On May 23 2012 01:54 Acid~ wrote:On May 22 2012 23:15 Tunkeg wrote:
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@acid
How do you think WBG, VE and Katina have played thus far? They are all in on a NT case, what do you read from this?
Nothing much to say. They make a good case against NT, but I'm tempted to agree with VE when he says that it feels too easy. "What is worse than a wolf in sheep's clothing?" —Wolfhunter's riddle In a strange twist of fate, one of the most annoying creatures in the multiverse was brought to the place where it could cause the most damage. I'll admit I have a hard time reading these flavor posts as they have some ambiguity to them (hence why I hated them in the first place). But the way I interpret this is that you think Mattchew is being annoying with his flavor posting. Doesn't surprise me. You're much too litteral in your reading. By posting in the same manner as him, I wanted to express support on a personal level. However, I also wanted to point out that his posting could end up being detrimental to town if it pissed off the other townies.
Hmm, so you wanted to show your support for him by replying to a post where he have basicly called you out for sheeping and for being scum (a wolf). He is calling you a sheep in wolfclothes (or at least thats how I read it, and it makes sense in that perspective). No I think you understood what he meant by it, and replied as you did to discredit him, not to show your appreciation.
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On May 26 2012 23:23 Acid~ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 23:07 Tunkeg wrote:On May 26 2012 23:02 marvellosity wrote:On May 26 2012 23:00 Acid~ wrote:On May 26 2012 21:42 marvellosity wrote:
I don't like this '50-50 case'.
This isn't the case. Zealos was getting lynched before he outed his claim because a lot of people believed he was scum. Hiro did not have a single vote.
I don't get in which world this is 50-50 I meant there was a 50-50 chance Zealos was scum and a 50-50 chance Hiro was scum. Yes, and my post there shows how that wasn't the case... My read is that Acid does not even try to understand half of what he reads. See what I did here Acid? Now reply to: On May 26 2012 21:46 Tunkeg wrote:On May 26 2012 21:39 Acid~ wrote:On May 26 2012 09:33 Acid~ wrote:On May 26 2012 09:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
What is YOUR interpretation of the Zealos flip Acid? What do you think about Tunkeg's opinion about Mattchew's behavior leading up to the lynch? I'm pretty hammered right now, let me sleep it off. I'm quoting this so I remember to respond. I'll do it before the end of the game night. Ok, here goes. I'm not surprised Zealos flipped scum. I wouldn't have been surprised if he had flipped town either. On top of that, while WBG did change his vote when Zealos claimed DT, he also put the heat on him in the first place and helped in consolidating the vote along with marvellosity. For this reason, I believe this removes them both from the list of potential scum. Mattchew's reasoning is similar to mine - when a 50-50 case exists between two targets, it seems logical to aim for the one that did not blue claim. Now, as it turns out, we were wrong (or were we? this doesn't remove suspicion from HiroPro at all), but that does not mean that the reasoning was faulty. Tunkeg's post about Mattchew is like all of Tunkeg's posts so far : inutile. Unlike some of you, I don't have a high level of faith in humanity so based on his posting so far in the game, my read is that Tunkeg does not even try to understand half of what he reads.As an aside. I've had a town read on matt since the beginning, for one simple reason. I love MTG and it's the main reason why I signed up for this game. I enjoyed the shit out of his flavor posts and I loved reading into them, even though I didn't know what cards the flavor text was from most of the time. It was just elegant. And I understood what he meant just fine. If I had been a veteran of TL mafia, or a respected/known poster on TL or something like that, I would probably have tried to post like that as well. Unless I was scum. That's the thing. As scum I would NOT ever do something like this. It's not nearly disruptive enough to be a viable scum strategy except if the townies are all riding the shortbus. And when the thread started going to shit because of other disruptive elements, he stopped the flavor posting. I heard some silly arguments like "it's such an obvious town move that it has to be a scum move", but I tend to disregard mindgames like that because the bottom line is: his behavior helped town more than scum so far. Why are my posts useless? Give me examples. What posts is it that you think I don't understand? What are your understanding of how I understand them? Bring something else then this discrediting shit man. I see no value in getting into a pissing contest with you. Arguing about why you are useless or why I am useless is not going to root out any scum.
I don't want a pissingcontest either, but I want people to explain it when they are undermining me like that. I can't argue with a statement that says: "You are useless", and thats why it is such a cheap way of going at me. If you give your arguements to why I am useless (still no need to use that expression as it just there to devalue everything I say) people can make up their mind whether you are right or wrong, and I can argue with you if I disagree with your arguements.
Arguing about whether someone is useless or not brings nothing to the table, I agree, so why use the word? But me calling you out for using this wording will, as I won't let people just throw unreasonable accusations out there, which they can't be held accountable for.
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On May 26 2012 23:31 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 23:18 Acid~ wrote:On May 26 2012 22:09 Tunkeg wrote:Also Acid you are contradicting yourself big time if you say you enjoyed the shit out of Mattchews posting: On May 23 2012 02:25 Acid~ wrote:On May 23 2012 02:11 Mattchew wrote:On May 23 2012 01:54 Acid~ wrote:On May 22 2012 23:15 Tunkeg wrote:
Questions
@acid
How do you think WBG, VE and Katina have played thus far? They are all in on a NT case, what do you read from this?
Nothing much to say. They make a good case against NT, but I'm tempted to agree with VE when he says that it feels too easy. "What is worse than a wolf in sheep's clothing?" —Wolfhunter's riddle In a strange twist of fate, one of the most annoying creatures in the multiverse was brought to the place where it could cause the most damage. I'll admit I have a hard time reading these flavor posts as they have some ambiguity to them (hence why I hated them in the first place). But the way I interpret this is that you think Mattchew is being annoying with his flavor posting. Doesn't surprise me. You're much too litteral in your reading. By posting in the same manner as him, I wanted to express support on a personal level. However, I also wanted to point out that his posting could end up being detrimental to town if it pissed off the other townies. Hmm, so you wanted to show your support for him by replying to a post where he have basicly called you out for sheeping and for being scum (a wolf). He is calling you a sheep in wolfclothes (or at least thats how I read it, and it makes sense in that perspective). No I think you understood what he meant by it, and replied as you did to discredit him, not to show your appreciation.
I interpreted it as him attacking the case against NT. Not attacking my "sheeping" of the case, since 1. I say in the next sentence that it feels too easy and 2. I never "sheeped" on NT
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On May 26 2012 23:39 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 23:23 Acid~ wrote:On May 26 2012 23:07 Tunkeg wrote:On May 26 2012 23:02 marvellosity wrote:On May 26 2012 23:00 Acid~ wrote:On May 26 2012 21:42 marvellosity wrote:
I don't like this '50-50 case'.
This isn't the case. Zealos was getting lynched before he outed his claim because a lot of people believed he was scum. Hiro did not have a single vote.
I don't get in which world this is 50-50 I meant there was a 50-50 chance Zealos was scum and a 50-50 chance Hiro was scum. Yes, and my post there shows how that wasn't the case... My read is that Acid does not even try to understand half of what he reads. See what I did here Acid? Now reply to: On May 26 2012 21:46 Tunkeg wrote:On May 26 2012 21:39 Acid~ wrote:On May 26 2012 09:33 Acid~ wrote:On May 26 2012 09:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
What is YOUR interpretation of the Zealos flip Acid? What do you think about Tunkeg's opinion about Mattchew's behavior leading up to the lynch? I'm pretty hammered right now, let me sleep it off. I'm quoting this so I remember to respond. I'll do it before the end of the game night. Ok, here goes. I'm not surprised Zealos flipped scum. I wouldn't have been surprised if he had flipped town either. On top of that, while WBG did change his vote when Zealos claimed DT, he also put the heat on him in the first place and helped in consolidating the vote along with marvellosity. For this reason, I believe this removes them both from the list of potential scum. Mattchew's reasoning is similar to mine - when a 50-50 case exists between two targets, it seems logical to aim for the one that did not blue claim. Now, as it turns out, we were wrong (or were we? this doesn't remove suspicion from HiroPro at all), but that does not mean that the reasoning was faulty. Tunkeg's post about Mattchew is like all of Tunkeg's posts so far : inutile. Unlike some of you, I don't have a high level of faith in humanity so based on his posting so far in the game, my read is that Tunkeg does not even try to understand half of what he reads.As an aside. I've had a town read on matt since the beginning, for one simple reason. I love MTG and it's the main reason why I signed up for this game. I enjoyed the shit out of his flavor posts and I loved reading into them, even though I didn't know what cards the flavor text was from most of the time. It was just elegant. And I understood what he meant just fine. If I had been a veteran of TL mafia, or a respected/known poster on TL or something like that, I would probably have tried to post like that as well. Unless I was scum. That's the thing. As scum I would NOT ever do something like this. It's not nearly disruptive enough to be a viable scum strategy except if the townies are all riding the shortbus. And when the thread started going to shit because of other disruptive elements, he stopped the flavor posting. I heard some silly arguments like "it's such an obvious town move that it has to be a scum move", but I tend to disregard mindgames like that because the bottom line is: his behavior helped town more than scum so far. Why are my posts useless? Give me examples. What posts is it that you think I don't understand? What are your understanding of how I understand them? Bring something else then this discrediting shit man. I see no value in getting into a pissing contest with you. Arguing about why you are useless or why I am useless is not going to root out any scum. I don't want a pissingcontest either, but I want people to explain it when they are undermining me like that. I can't argue with a statement that says: "You are useless", and thats why it is such a cheap way of going at me. If you give your arguements to why I am useless (still no need to use that expression as it just there to devalue everything I say) people can make up their mind whether you are right or wrong, and I can argue with you if I disagree with your arguements. Arguing about whether someone is useless or not brings nothing to the table, I agree, so why use the word? But me calling you out for using this wording will, as I won't let people just throw unreasonable accusations out there, which they can't be held accountable for.
I called you useless because someone else asked for my opinion about you. I wasn't talking to you and I'm not calling you scum, so I don't need to make a case.
I *will* ignore all further posts from you on this issue. I'm not here to teach you how to play, especially since I'm far from stellar myself. If you want to discuss someone's scumminess, then we'll talk.
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On May 26 2012 23:47 Acid~ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 23:39 Tunkeg wrote:On May 26 2012 23:23 Acid~ wrote:On May 26 2012 23:07 Tunkeg wrote:On May 26 2012 23:02 marvellosity wrote:On May 26 2012 23:00 Acid~ wrote:On May 26 2012 21:42 marvellosity wrote:
I don't like this '50-50 case'.
This isn't the case. Zealos was getting lynched before he outed his claim because a lot of people believed he was scum. Hiro did not have a single vote.
I don't get in which world this is 50-50 I meant there was a 50-50 chance Zealos was scum and a 50-50 chance Hiro was scum. Yes, and my post there shows how that wasn't the case... My read is that Acid does not even try to understand half of what he reads. See what I did here Acid? Now reply to: On May 26 2012 21:46 Tunkeg wrote:On May 26 2012 21:39 Acid~ wrote:On May 26 2012 09:33 Acid~ wrote:On May 26 2012 09:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
What is YOUR interpretation of the Zealos flip Acid? What do you think about Tunkeg's opinion about Mattchew's behavior leading up to the lynch? I'm pretty hammered right now, let me sleep it off. I'm quoting this so I remember to respond. I'll do it before the end of the game night. Ok, here goes. I'm not surprised Zealos flipped scum. I wouldn't have been surprised if he had flipped town either. On top of that, while WBG did change his vote when Zealos claimed DT, he also put the heat on him in the first place and helped in consolidating the vote along with marvellosity. For this reason, I believe this removes them both from the list of potential scum. Mattchew's reasoning is similar to mine - when a 50-50 case exists between two targets, it seems logical to aim for the one that did not blue claim. Now, as it turns out, we were wrong (or were we? this doesn't remove suspicion from HiroPro at all), but that does not mean that the reasoning was faulty. Tunkeg's post about Mattchew is like all of Tunkeg's posts so far : inutile. Unlike some of you, I don't have a high level of faith in humanity so based on his posting so far in the game, my read is that Tunkeg does not even try to understand half of what he reads.As an aside. I've had a town read on matt since the beginning, for one simple reason. I love MTG and it's the main reason why I signed up for this game. I enjoyed the shit out of his flavor posts and I loved reading into them, even though I didn't know what cards the flavor text was from most of the time. It was just elegant. And I understood what he meant just fine. If I had been a veteran of TL mafia, or a respected/known poster on TL or something like that, I would probably have tried to post like that as well. Unless I was scum. That's the thing. As scum I would NOT ever do something like this. It's not nearly disruptive enough to be a viable scum strategy except if the townies are all riding the shortbus. And when the thread started going to shit because of other disruptive elements, he stopped the flavor posting. I heard some silly arguments like "it's such an obvious town move that it has to be a scum move", but I tend to disregard mindgames like that because the bottom line is: his behavior helped town more than scum so far. Why are my posts useless? Give me examples. What posts is it that you think I don't understand? What are your understanding of how I understand them? Bring something else then this discrediting shit man. I see no value in getting into a pissing contest with you. Arguing about why you are useless or why I am useless is not going to root out any scum. I don't want a pissingcontest either, but I want people to explain it when they are undermining me like that. I can't argue with a statement that says: "You are useless", and thats why it is such a cheap way of going at me. If you give your arguements to why I am useless (still no need to use that expression as it just there to devalue everything I say) people can make up their mind whether you are right or wrong, and I can argue with you if I disagree with your arguements. Arguing about whether someone is useless or not brings nothing to the table, I agree, so why use the word? But me calling you out for using this wording will, as I won't let people just throw unreasonable accusations out there, which they can't be held accountable for. I called you useless because someone else asked for my opinion about you. I wasn't talking to you and I'm not calling you scum, so I don't need to make a case. I *will* ignore all further posts from you on this issue. I'm not here to teach you how to play, especially since I'm far from stellar myself. If you want to discuss someone's scumminess, then we'll talk.
Thats fine. I *will not* ignore any attempts at taking cheap shots at my expense. I will also note that you couldn't back up your statement about me, and that it in fact just was to discredit me. Some more scumpoints for you...
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Looks like we have burried the marv post, sorry about that:
On May 26 2012 22:33 marvellosity wrote:Ok, I'm going out this afternoon and I won't be back until tomorrow, so in case I'm dead I just want to write down some thoughts. On Zealos/Hiro: Earlier I have been suggesting the idea that Hiro is scum and Zealos/Hiro were bussing. This remains a distinct possibility imo, but having read back on the thread and timings I am less convinced than I was before. Zealos hadn't had all the votes piled on to him yet, so it wasn't yet necessarily the case that he was going to get lynched (I feel the Zealos/Hiro both scum theory works best if Zealos was definitely getting lynched). I am now inclined to believe another possibility - Zealos breadcrumbed the DT check simply in case it looked like he was getting lynched later. That way he at least had a possibility of dragging a townie down first before he got lynched, which would be a decent result. This seems consistent with how it went down - he brought up his claim to the thread at the point where everyone had decided to vote for Zealos after all, so he activated his last-ditch ploy. Anyway, both these scenarios are still possible, but I wanted to talk about them both. The question that needs to remain in people's heads is: Why did Zealos choose HiroPro? Because even in the 2nd scenario, he could have selected someone else like Nova_Terra or even zelblade, and had a likelier chance to take them down first before he died. About wbg and VE: We all know wbg and VE do their own little thing in the thread, and it's remarkably hard to pierce it. Nonetheless they do need to be looked at and so I will do so a little. On wbg: It seems like he helped push the Zealos lynch with me, and a lot of his posting has been strong and makes sense. There's a couple of things I don't like though: Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 03:07 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2012 02:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay marvel, let me ask you because Bugs will pretend to be exasperated if I ask him.
If we don't talk about our scum reads with each other, how are we to find scum? This is the big part about Bugs' play that I can't reconcile. I'm town, and I don't know who to trust...but I can't hope to find out who IS scum unless I get information from others about their reads and the reasoning for their actions. Bugs is abdicating responsibility for hunting scum with the phrase "information about reads in the hands of scum is bad"....but he handily glosses over the fact that without discussion our reads and reasoning, there's literally NO WAY TO FIND SCUM. Otherwise, we're just pointing a finger, lynching and hoping it turns out okay. We can't just randomly lynch, and we can't put all of our trust in one person to tell us who to lynch when there's no way to know if he's town or not (especially someone who isn't even willing to discuss his reads)
It doesn't make any sense, the way Bugs is playing. It's contradictory, and I can't understand what the hell he hopes to accomplish if he's town....and I know Bugs is better than this, so that is why I'm certain he's scum. This point is valid, and is one I've alluded to myself. I dislike posts such as these: On May 25 2012 02:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
Right now I don't feel like sparing very much effort since there's no point when more than half of you don't read to begin with. On May 25 2012 02:09 wherebugsgo wrote:
Based on that alone I think there are at least two viable targets, but neither of them has received much attention. I'm gonna sleep on it for a bit and then if this Zealos thing doesn't take off I'll make a stronger case. The first one is at best arrogant and at worst an abdication of scumhunting responsibilities. The 2nd... well actually yes, I would like to see the cases and reads myself, and it shouldn't be contingent on whether the Zealos lynch 'takes off'. I expect to hear from wbg some more during this cycle on his reads. "I want the rest of town to do the work" or "people don't read" isn't a good reason not to present reads and cases. At the moment the way he's posted doesn't have to be scum, but if he continues to refuse to share his reads/cases, this will change. Those kinda posts rub me the wrong way. Note how wbg says he doesn't want to give reads because town isn't listening, or wbg says that he'll post reads on 2 people 'later', or generally how wbg talks about not giving away information because giving reads is giving information to scum. Fair enough as a stance, perhaps, but it doesn't line up with Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 08:29 wherebugsgo wrote:On May 26 2012 08:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well, the timing of his lapse into normal posting was troubling...like, the thread was in shambles because of me and bugs and his answer was.....to stop posting concisely and shit up the thread further?
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Like...I don't know, it doesn't make sense. Also his absolute certainty that Bugs being town like ALL game mystifies me considering the lengths bugs has gone to to not talk about his reads and shit. I think the only person who's talked about reads more extensively than I have this game is marvellosity. So wait... on one hand wbg repeatedly talks about giving reads can often give information to scum, on the other here he claims he talks about reads more than almost anyone else. These two sentiments do not make sense together. Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 03:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright, this is not going anywhere.
Day's almost half over and if people aren't willing to consolidate on zealos then we consolidate on zelblade. He needs to post anyway.
Vote with me, marv.
##unvote Zealos
##vote Zelblade. I also really did not like this. There's like 30 hours left in the day and he already wants to 'consolidate' on to another player where the only case is he was inactive. It's one post that really made me sit there and think "wow, really?!". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On VE: At the time of Zealos' doctor claim, I was especially interested in how VE and wbg would respond to it. The response I disliked most by far was from VisceraEyes. After the claim, froggy, Tunkeg, and Mattchew voted for HiroPro in quick succession. However, I would expect VE to give the Zealos claim some critical thought, especially as he has been suspicious of Zealos before. But what do we get? Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 02:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
Gogo timely-claim!!
##Unvote Zealos
##Vote HiroPro Nothing but a blind vote switch. No analysis on why it could be true or false. The suspicious part of me thinks that VE was behind Zealos' fake-claim, and then in the thread it looks like town is lapping it up so VE feels safe to carry on the trend. It is simply very odd that he just vote-switched like that. Bear in mind his vote here came before I started seriously attacking Zealos' claim. He goes on to explain his switch IN HINDSIGHT (rather than at the time) with what I consider some fairly weak reasoning: Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 04:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
The worst that can happen is 1 for 1 unless Hiro is a miller or scum pulled a massive frame. I'm not buying either of those explanations...so I'm voting Hiro. Please remember that a lynch is imminent, we're in no danger of a no lynch and your opinion DOES matter. He doesn't buy that scum could massively frame? What, like him/toad in LI, it's so unlikely? And still no analysis of why Zealos' claim is likely to be true or false. But all of a sudden his opinion changes with some bullshit reasoning, and he goes on to quiz Zealos on why his claim is true and what not. But imo, too late, the ship has sailed. Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 04:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay wait...Bugs is scum right? He's this big fake-claim advocate as scum...
Mattchew I'm gonna go with my gut here instead of my brain...surprise surprise right?
##Unvote HiroPro
##Vote Zealos What kind of reason is this? bugs is scum and he's a big fake-claim advocate? This is the weakest sauce possible for switching votes. Like seriously, look at how ridiculous it is. And look at how *hypocritical* it is. scum is this big fake-claim advocate? To bring it up again, it was VE's plan in LI to fake-claim as scum and bus his team-mate. Everything is wrong here.
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I still attest that I brought up the only solid evidence that Zealous was lying...what scum motivation would I have for doing that when it looked like he was being lynched anyway at the time?
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On May 26 2012 05:13 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 07:45 Zealos wrote:On May 24 2012 07:44 froggynoddy wrote:On May 24 2012 07:19 HiroPro wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 24 2012 00:14 Tunkeg wrote:
EchelonTee - Scum
So I have changed my mind. I had ET leaning town early on in the game, I was wrong. He is scum, and this is why:
1. He have been trying to appear active while not really being active. His post have mostly consisted of oneliners, soft accusations and defending others. I think his defence om me was for this purpose only. To appear active, get easy townpoints and be able to put down an early vote. Isolated I viewed his arguement with Acrofalis as townie, as he was sticking his head out. In hindsight I see this as mentioned above - a way to appear active.
2. He don't really want to give us his reads. I have asked him for reads two times, he ignores it. Why dodge questions like that if you are town? Sure, he might think they are trivial and not worth spending his time on. But I see refusing to answer questions as scummy.
3. He listed that he would be ok with lynching jeb, acid and Katina without any reason. Between them there are two newbies, who are an easy misslynch because they are inexperienced and Katina, who is famous for being very lurky (at least she have been in all games I have played with her), and is also a player that is easy to get a misslynch on.
4. He voted for jeb just before the deadline (on the deadline actually) without any reason. And in a very suspicious way: "When is the deadline", like he did it on purpose, so that he wouldn't have to post any reasoning to why he voted jeb, and not get hold accountable for it.
ET is my number one scumread. Feel free to discuss it or not, especially if you disagree. If you agreeyou are probably better off waiting until after the night is over. Because if ET is scum scumteam will probably lynch someone who agrees to make it less likely he get lynched on day 2. Oh look, your "number one scumread" died. How convenient. Guess that gives you more time to post useless questions and lists, huh. ##Vote Tunkeg This makes no sense whatsoever. He also Tunkeg's scumbuddy hiro? These two posts right here. He talks to Hiro as just another townie at first... Show nested quote +On May 24 2012 07:51 Zealos wrote:
In fact, hiro, you've written nothing of substance all game bar a case against Mouldy. Your points against Tunkeg have seemed weak, and your latest post is downright dreadful. Seems like you're tunnelling tunkeg to avoid giving any other reads. ...but then has a revelation about Hiro's filter being lacking? This isn't a DT who just got a check on the guy, it's someone who has just now "become suspicious" of the guy. He's lying about the claim.
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On May 26 2012 22:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
Where the piss IS Mattchew anyway? :/
my 2 posts before were at 3:45am... its now 12:30pm... take a guess where the piss I was
On May 26 2012 23:02 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2012 23:00 Acid~ wrote:On May 26 2012 21:42 marvellosity wrote:
I don't like this '50-50 case'.
This isn't the case. Zealos was getting lynched before he outed his claim because a lot of people believed he was scum. Hiro did not have a single vote.
I don't get in which world this is 50-50 I meant there was a 50-50 chance Zealos was scum and a 50-50 chance Hiro was scum. Yes, and my post there shows how that wasn't the case...
Hiro didn't have a single vote but that does not mean he was above suspicion, so this is once again you thinking for others from your own perspective.
I would be more interested in those that voted Zealos after the hiro voters stopped. You know the people that didn't want to jump on the zealos bandwagon until he was the sure lynch
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Okay first of all, I'm really tired of people (WBG) assuming I'm mafia because of my Meta I have said myself I have been busy. Stuff kept coming up this week, that's what happens when you have a "Life". I am sorry I couldn't be more active.
Secondly the two people I have been gunning for (N_T and Mattchew) are doing nothing but constantly bashing me. N_T is so focused on getting me lynched he is completely distracting himself from the forum. Mattchew is butt hurt because I got him to crack and stop using his quotes.
Third, I realize that Zealos claimed. I was fine lynching him as I stated in one of my posts before that. So me voting for someone I thought was scummy is considered Mafia? I love the logic behind that.
I apologize for not spewing out random votes and cluttering up the thread like a lot of you do. Everyone is so focused on me for stupid reasons when there are so many scummier people.
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On May 27 2012 02:34 Katina wrote:
Okay first of all, I'm really tired of people (WBG) assuming I'm mafia because of my Meta I have said myself I have been busy. Stuff kept coming up this week, that's what happens when you have a "Life". I am sorry I couldn't be more active.
Secondly the two people I have been gunning for (N_T and Mattchew) are doing nothing but constantly bashing me. N_T is so focused on getting me lynched he is completely distracting himself from the forum. Mattchew is butt hurt because I got him to crack and stop using his quotes.
Third, I realize that Zealos claimed. I was fine lynching him as I stated in one of my posts before that. So me voting for someone I thought was scummy is considered Mafia? I love the logic behind that.
I apologize for not spewing out random votes and cluttering up the thread like a lot of you do. Everyone is so focused on me for stupid reasons when there are so many scummier people.
Omg you have a "life"... whats that like? I'm sure that no one else on the forum has things going on outside this game
Bashing you? I haven't seen NT bash you once, he has however called you scum, so have I. I am not "butthurt" about you making me post regularly, I am "butthurt" about how unbelievably terribly you are playing if you are town.
Your reasoning for thinking Zealos was scum was just so clear HOW COULD I HAVE MISSED IT, I mean you easily have the most quality posts in the whole thread detailing out your thought process, asking pressing questions of others and sharing your cases and reads on other players.
Your right, a vote with literally no reasoning is totally not spewing out a random vote. Also, posting reads thoughts and haveing conversations with players about the game in the thread is totally just clutter.
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@katina, please point me to any post where you actually gave a read on someone and the reasoning behind it. You can preach quality over quantity and than have literally nothing of quality, so this should be easy for you
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On May 27 2012 02:40 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 02:34 Katina wrote:
Okay first of all, I'm really tired of people (WBG) assuming I'm mafia because of my Meta I have said myself I have been busy. Stuff kept coming up this week, that's what happens when you have a "Life". I am sorry I couldn't be more active.
Secondly the two people I have been gunning for (N_T and Mattchew) are doing nothing but constantly bashing me. N_T is so focused on getting me lynched he is completely distracting himself from the forum. Mattchew is butt hurt because I got him to crack and stop using his quotes.
Third, I realize that Zealos claimed. I was fine lynching him as I stated in one of my posts before that. So me voting for someone I thought was scummy is considered Mafia? I love the logic behind that.
I apologize for not spewing out random votes and cluttering up the thread like a lot of you do. Everyone is so focused on me for stupid reasons when there are so many scummier people. Omg you have a "life"... whats that like? I'm sure that no one else on the forum has things going on outside this game Bashing you? I haven't seen NT bash you once, he has however called you scum, so have I. I am not "butthurt" about you making me post regularly, I am "butthurt" about how unbelievably terribly you are playing if you are town. Your reasoning for thinking Zealos was scum was just so clear HOW COULD I HAVE MISSED IT, I mean you easily have the most quality posts in the whole thread detailing out your thought process, asking pressing questions of others and sharing your cases and reads on other players. Your right, a vote with literally no reasoning is totally not spewing out a random vote. Also, posting reads thoughts and haveing conversations with players about the game in the thread is totally just clutter.
Thank you for proving my point Mattchew.
Yeah, I don't imagine you would know what one is like. Your not butt hurt by that? Could have fooled me.That's why you have been riding my butt since you started posting reguarly.
If you honestly think that N_T hasn't been gunning for me or bashing me then you are really blind my dear sir.
I have been posting my reads and thoughts. Not my fault you don't have the attention span to actually read the posts. You don't even need to really. All you do is end up coming right back at me.
You are definetly Mafia and it's all just a matter of time before people pull their heads out of the sand and realize that.
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On May 27 2012 02:47 Katina wrote:
I have been posting my reads and thoughts. Not my fault you don't have the attention span to actually read the posts. You don't even need to really. All you do is end up coming right back at me.
Where. talk is cheap, show me some examples
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On May 27 2012 02:51 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2012 02:47 Katina wrote:
I have been posting my reads and thoughts. Not my fault you don't have the attention span to actually read the posts. You don't even need to really. All you do is end up coming right back at me.
Where. talk is cheap, show me some examples
You're a big boy, you know how to get to the filters.
I have been posting my reads and thoughts. I was the first to post my case on N_T I gave lots of reasons why he should be lynched. So far he hasn't done much to convince me otherwise.
I also explained why I thought you should be killed. The first half of the game you were using those quotes and ignoring people who talked to you directly. You had close to no feedback and weren't giving reads or making any cases. Eventually you broke and conviently chose to attack on of your attackers. Text book Mafia play.
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They're calling me scum Katina, GET 'EM!
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On May 25 2012 02:57 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2012 02:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
This is such a waste of time and thread space lol.
Anyway, Katina where are you? Just finished reading the thread dear. Lots of pages to read this morning. I really like how people are so focused on me when there are clearly scummy people like N_T and Mattchew. One of those two should be the top lynch candidates for today hands down. N_T has not nearly been as active today as he has been from the start of the game. He wants to kill me only bescause I'm pushing for him hard. He has been staying in the shadows today and only poking his head out when the votes start coming in on another player. May I bring up my past arguements against him: 1. Spam! 2. Spam! 3. More focused on proving his innocence than scum hunting (unless you want to call his only scum read on me as "scum hunting".) 4. Inconsistent As I have stated he is only focusing on me and now by making that "Case" against me is a waste of time that could be used to find the Mafia. As for Mattchew, I mean really? Do I even have to explain why I think he's scum and want to lynch him? He has been completely ignoring me when I have called him out. Wait. He ignores just about everything and only comments when he has a qoute for it. He's not being helpful at all to the town and it annoys me that he is still alive and not being considered for the lynch. Others have commented on how annoying his qoutes are but yet no one has felt the need to vote for him.
This is a continuation of my case against N_T as I said, read my filter honey. Were you too busy making quotes to read the thread day 1?
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