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Acid~
Thailand442 Posts
Acrofales, the fact that you and Mattchew were on opposing teams the last three games is exactly the definition of coincidence, which makes your accusation completely random. Also it seems that the only person you are not suspicious of is Nova, my other candidate for scum. Nova, why would you think it's a good idea to kill a veteran d1 unless you somehow knew he wasn't on your team? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17959 Posts
On May 21 2012 17:09 Acid~ wrote: I'm suspicious of both Acrofales and Nova_Terra. Acrofales, the fact that you and Mattchew were on opposing teams the last three games is exactly the definition of coincidence, which makes your accusation completely random. Also it seems that the only person you are not suspicious of is Nova, my other candidate for scum. Nova, why would you think it's a good idea to kill a veteran d1 unless you somehow knew he wasn't on your team? Welcome to Acro's scumhunting 101. At the start of the game I simply assume everybody's scum. When people actually start posting behavioural analysis kicks in and I mentally move people from scum to town (or onto that wishywashy borderzone where they could be anything). Everybody failing to impress me with their town play stays in the scum corner. Hence, at the start of the game, everybody is scum. Of these, Mattchew is clearly the scummiest because all of statistics is a filthy lie that you're trying to use to clear my vote off your scumbuddy. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17959 Posts
On May 21 2012 16:53 EchelonTee wrote: gimme like 2 seconds, playing dota 2 you ignored my points against you just saying 2 seconds are over. Start posting. Fairly certain I only ignored the very very last point, because it was tangential and didn't actually try to say anything. Forumite's scum meta is neither here nor there, because I AM NOT FORUMITE. This game needs more Palmar or Sandroba to kill idiotic conclusions like that one. | ||
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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
@VE What do yout hink of WBG's helpfull opening post? I ask you because you got the most experience with him. As a standard normal player I would put this as a pro-town. With WBG I am unsure, as he is thought of as one of the best scumplayers on TL, and I think he is capable of leveling us with these kinds of posts. @WBG If you were a dayvig and had to lynch someone right now, who would it be and why? @Acrofalis You don't like my opening post, and thats ok. ET is comming to my defense, and are voting for you. What is your take on this situation? Do you think ET have any motives for defending me, and if so what are they? @NT What do you think about Acrofalis play thus far? @ET Not to derail your arguemnent with Acrofalis to much, but what do you get out of Zealos posts thus far? @Zealos I can see why someone would throw out a random vote on someone to pressure as number one (even if I don't think it is a great way of pressuring).You do this as number two on VE, for no reason. And next you are sheeping ET on his Acrofalis vote. Why did you vote VE? And could elaborate why you are voting Acrofalis? | ||
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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
1. I haven't read his games either. Let's read Tunkeg's post (in this thread) Student Mafia– Town (vanilla) – Win. Newbie Mafia II– Town (Vanilla) – Loss. BC's Arkham City– Town (Veteran)- Loss. TL Mafia LI– Town (Vanilla) – Draw. I'm a cop you idiot Mafia– Town (Cop)- Loss I see 2 losses in the last 3. Even if you don't know circumstances behind the draw, it's clear he has been losing lately. Using my handy ol brain, I make the logical conclusion that Tunkeg wants to change his playstyle because it hasn't been successful. Continuing: On May 21 2012 16:38 Acrofales wrote: All I read was his post in which he said he thought it was working well. If he thinks it was working to hunt scum, then why change? Again, let's reference Tunkeg's post. Why change it up? Even though I think it was a great way of finding scum for me. It wasn’t necessarily good for town. Many times it took up to much space, and some might even label it as disruptive. It have also led me close to being lynched many times, and often put me on the defensive straight from the get go. Constantly defending yourself makes it hard to put effort into proper scumhunting. You say "why change if he thinks it was working to hunt scum"? Using my handy dandy reading skills, I see that Tunkeg wrote that it wasn't good for town. He also says that constantly defending himself makes it hard to put effort into proper scumhunting. Using my handy ol brain, I make the conclusion that he wanted to change because it was leading to bad results. That wasn't so hard, was it? You on the otherhand, either lack reading comprehension, or are misrepresenting his posts to make him look bad. I think it's the latter, because I do not think you are stupid. 2. On May 21 2012 16:38 Acrofales wrote:2. Trolololol? THAT is content according to you? Let me summarize his post: Hi, I'm Tunkeg. I'm gonna play differently from my previous games, so don't bother reading my meta. Let's look at my original post: his first post had 50x the content you had. then you try and buddy to nova saying you two are "keeping eyes on people"; all you posted was a joke accusation on Mattchew. I make the statement that your intial accusation was not content at all. Therefore, when you make it seem like you and Nova were being constructive in contrast to Tunkeg, I saw that as irrational and incorrect. Neither you NOR Tunkeg have been scumhunting, but you tried to make it seem like you did more than him. That is scummy. Your response to my accusation was you bashing on Tunkeg more, instead of responding to the fact that you have been about as useful as a brick. This is scummy. 3. On May 21 2012 16:38 Acrofales wrote:3. If that is buddying with Nova and Bugs, then what you're doing is buddying with Navilus and Tunkeg. Clearly scum. I should disagree with EVERYTHING said and done in the thread ever, or am scum, because buddying. /facepalm I brushed along this earlier, but the reason why ur buddying there is scummy is because you are trying to make yourself seem constructive. To that end, you say Nova has also been a constructive poster, linking you two. However, since you haven't been constructive (because your Mattchew accusation at that point was NOT CONSTRUCTIVE), it seems like you're trying to make a positive link between you two. How was I buddying navilus? I said his accusation on WBG was a joke. Concerning Tunkeg, I am picking out your accusations as being IRRATIONAL and FABRICATED. That doesn't mean that I think he is town, nor am I promoting Tunkeg as a good poster. I am saying you are posting scummily. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
On May 21 2012 17:23 Acrofales wrote: 2 seconds are over. Start posting. Fairly certain I only ignored the very very last point, because it was tangential and didn't actually try to say anything. Forumite's scum meta is neither here nor there, because I AM NOT FORUMITE. This game needs more Palmar or Sandroba to kill idiotic conclusions like that one. dood let me play dota when I want to play dota, lol | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
and Tunkeg actually lost 3 out of the last 4  which makes it even more easy to see why he would want to change playstyle lol | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
On May 21 2012 17:19 Acrofales wrote: Hence, at the start of the game, everybody is scum. Of these, Mattchew is clearly the scummiest because all of statistics is a filthy lie that you're trying to use to clear my vote off your scumbuddy. ![[image loading]](http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120421140459/degrassi/images/9/96/SIMON-CONFUSED-GIF-2.gif) | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3575 Posts
On May 21 2012 18:00 Tunkeg wrote: @Zealos I can see why someone would throw out a random vote on someone to pressure as number one (even if I don't think it is a great way of pressuring).You do this as number two on VE, for no reason. And next you are sheeping ET on his Acrofalis vote. Why did you vote VE? And could elaborate why you are voting Acrofalis? Ok, vote on VE was a joke, as also as a cheeky backup vote in case I forgot to vote later in the day :X I'm voting Acro because for the time being he is the best choice in my opinion. ET's case makes sense to me. Add this to the fact that in the last game he was scum he played similar to the way he is in this game, yet wasn't lynched, and I don't want to make the same mistake again. If he can start posting usefully, then it would help alleviate some of this suspicion. | ||
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Mouldy Jeb
United Kingdom37 Posts
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
On May 21 2012 05:12 Tunkeg wrote: Even though I think it was a great way of finding scum for me. It wasn’t necessarily good for town..... . It have also led me close to being lynched many times This is the crux of the issue good at finding scum=good for town even if you die and you shouldnt be afraid of dying as town | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17959 Posts
1. joking around (it's day 1 ffs) 2. letting Mattchew know that I will be watching him this game. I am quite confident that I can read Mattchew fairly well. I had him pegged as "probably scum" from N1 onwards in Caller's game. Finally, both Acid and you are taking shit WAY too seriously. If you think that blurb about statistics was serious in any way, shape, or form, then Data has a better sense of humour than you. Regarding Tunkeg's original post: he said he thought it was a great way of finding scum. That is by its very definition a pro-town play. If it actually succeeds at finding scum he should not be afraid to change it up, just because other people don't like the way he plays. If you want to attribute the losses to him, you actually have to read the games (which I haven't done). At most I can say that LI was a draw because Mattchew derped it up and his strategy in Im a cop was fine: he was a cop and got shot by mafia D1. It was the rest of town that derped on not finding Dirkzor as the second scum. Clearly, there was nothing much wrong with his strategy in either of those games (insofar as I have browsed the 1000 post shitstorm that was LI anyway). At the very least he wasn't lynched D1. I'm still confused why you think that contribution is in any way a contribution, rather than a longwinded excuse for him changing up his playstyle. Also, as I said, I am not unsuspicious of Nova OR Bugs. Neither have posted enough content, but at least they're posting. Something that can't be said for Mattchew! @Tunkeg: I don't really think ET has much of a reason to be defending you, except to make me post more. I'm cool with posting more. In fact, I disagree with you completely on that quiet games are better than spammy ones. Spammy ones make it harder to read people, quiet ones make it impossible. Lots of posts mean you need to put in time, but can figure people out. No posts mean you have no idea one way or another and need to kill the person just to figure out his alignment. That is not good in a mini (in 30-player games it's more feasible). @Zealos: if I were to go by GoT mafia I would lynch you off the bat: you were the 5th scum, the way you played that. Your reads were terrible that game and scumteam was rather happy to keep you around. I would try not to draw attention to that game if I were you. Sheeping ET is maybe marginally better than actually trying to follow your own reads, so kudos. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
I posted a gif bro. that's pretty unserious it's not just about finding scum, it's also about not getting mislynched yourself, and pushing your reads. tunkeg stated exactly why he wanted to change his playstyle. i don't think his post was a big contribution, but it wasn't a bad post. your response to it was bad. derp a derp am i tunneling or am i right? chime in ppls | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5245 Posts
On May 21 2012 19:41 Nova_Terra wrote: This is the crux of the issue good at finding scum=good for town even if you die and you shouldnt be afraid of dying as town if you're dead you can't lynch scum. TL towns always ignore dead people's reads if you get mislynched you wasted town's time, and an entire lynch. In case you weren't sure, town can (barring vigis) only kill with the lynch. Tunkeg's old playstyle was bad for town. I can attest to that. I like his meta change. you guys are mean. | ||
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zelblade
Australia901 Posts
For example in LI Tunkeg decided to post a list about how "good" people were judging by the number of games they have played, and suggested a lynch on Jackal because he was supposedly the worst player in the game according to statistics. I am going to assume this is what he meant to with that that game was simply to draw out reactions, and it didnt work so well, simply due to the fact that that list managed to throw off the thread into a lovely discussion (for scum anyway) about how his way of judging supposed skill level was inaccurate and stuff, how he should change the formula blabla, and basically with a few attacks on his play here and there, he had a decent portion of town thinking he was scum. I will assume that one would easily see why he would think his stratergy isnt exactly the best when it causes him to nearly get mislynched day 1. Also being able to finger every single scum is great, sure, but would you trust his reads if he shits up the thread? That being said, how is trying out a new style scummy, might I ask? Sure, it could be scum saying that as a preemptive excuse for different meta, but it could easily be town trying to play better as well. I find it somewhat suspicious that you decided to nitpick on such a thing - considering it isnt all that rare for players to want to try out a new style of play once in a while. And yea Acrofales was pretty obviously joking around a little with the stats and some other stuff. | ||
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