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On May 21 2012 09:16 s0Lstice wrote: I don't have a preference for the most part. I'll make it work as best I can for whatever we decide. This. | ||
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Well i've been following everything today via iPhone at work, but i'll be most active in the evenings. Such as now! Okay to start things off, Release has taken a very aggressive stance. This seems standard, someone always needs to shake things up. That being said, it was fairly amusing watching him post #FOS at anyone posting. I had a LOL at my desk. While it is good to shake things up, which he is doing. I do feel like he sort of shut down several good points that both Mordanis and Sciberbia have made, and is picking on some very minor problems with their posts that would be expected so early in the game. Please dont focus on the semantics so much Release. + Show Spoiler + A better word for "mistake" in this context is "slip", and i advise people to use slip in the future because it more accurately denotes what a bad mafia would do. I think take a bit to absorb what everyone is saying. Please remember that there are 7 of us Town and while discouraging fluff is essential in dissecting the mafia from the pack you need to keep in mind that the majority of us are town and we WANT to promote discussion. Pointing the finger at everyone that talks, for semantics OR their opinions is perhaps not the best way to encourage people to engage in a profitable discussion. To add my 2 cents on the DayOneLynch (D1L) I agree with hegeo, Release and Mordanis. It is my opinion that on day one we need to lynch someone, it provides a lot of information and in the optimum situation we can get lucky and hit a mafia. I'd rather mislynch one of our own, then wait a day and one of us get sniped. Ending up in a similar circumstance to the start of D1 just minus a player. Ugh. Also, i consider lurkers to be quite scummy. So unless a lurker posts some seriously good content every day, they will be under some scrutiny from myself. @Miltonkram, what is your on opinion on hegeo's statement: Furthermore, I think it might be a good idea to not share your town reads early on, since this will make "weaker" town reads an easy target for scum and will give scum safety when they see themselves being seen as strong town reads. By doing so, they will need to justify their posts/opinions and it will be easier to keep the pressure high and find inconsistencies. | ||
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I think it's crucial everyone establishes a list of who they suspect to be town and mafia. However, it might be wise to only publicly question, accuse and point suspicions once you've got several points of reasoning. As i don't want people to have to be defending themselves against 'scummy' accusations due to poor semantics and one-off poor wording. I think people's overall playstyle is a much greater indicator of their allegiance then a one-off slip (or mistake). Obviously other's may have a much more reactive play style where they will prefer to isolate single remarks. Though i want to take a look at a larger picture before casting my votes. Note that if other peoples reads on single-posts match with my overall read of a player i'll pay it attention. (and if someone makes some high level analysis of a post) TL;DR 1. Unlikely to have solid town/mafia reads this early. 2. Keep a personal list of reads. 3. Only post accusations when you've got some good reasoning rather than pointing the finger willy-nilly. 4. IMO. A players overall style should have a more considerable weighting than a one off post. I will vote accordingly unless there is a good analysis of why a players post may be a scum-slip. My intention for this post is to try add a little structure, so that when deadlines start looming we're not left flailing in the deep. Also, just reading Hegeo's recent posts. I didn't even notice Mordanis's comment about me. He was in my first (and last) game and i enjoyed his play style as he was fairly active. I however was not, and had to pull out of that game due to personal reasons. I plan on being quite active and want to keep my posting fairly succinct, my posts in the previous game became large walls of texts and i want to avoid this. So i have and will be including TL:DR's wherever applicable. | ||
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@Mordanis: RE: Hegeo. You raise some good points, but like i said earlier i can't base a vote on just a single incriminating post. Sometime people only have a short amount of time to zip into the thread and post. and in my experience ALL rushed posts come off with a scum vibe. So i for one am going to let the "coincidence" debate slide on this one, and try read a little further into other statements today before casting my vote. One final thing: I think the whole passive-aggressive thing needs to end. I understand that you don't want to be lynched (neither do I), but just being angry at one person for the sake of being angry doesn't help anything. This is very important to establish early on also, for everyone. If you're town, you've got nothing to worry about other than posting as much info as you can before you die. We all don't want to be lynched because playing is fun, however its more important to play WELL than to play for a LONG TIME. Play for the team, not for yourself as thats how scum play. @Hegeo. I'd love to see your response to Releases accusation. As his is the most tangible accusation to date. Because he's acctually got a vote behind it! Please rebut. I'll be posting more in my lunch break in 5 hours. c u soon | ||
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1. Mufaa. Obviously useless. I'm more than happy to give him the boot, however before we do i'd like to look into some other avenues of lynching because if he keeps up his current style and fails to post a vote before the day is out he will be modkilled. Why waste a lynch on someone who is most likely to get killed by moderators! haha. That being said if he posts intermittently just to hang into the game. then we instantly should usher him from the game as it's fairly obvious he's just hanging around to get his Mafia night kills in. 2. Miltonkram (open his filter in another window for this, it should be easy to follow and not too long.) Just to state the facts. His first few points were very summary-esque. I'm wary of these sorts of posts early in game as it means a player can conceal their views and reveal them at a later date when real discussion is happening. It gives the impression that he is contributing whereas he is actually delaying input so to clutter later on. next. he moves to pressure s0lstice. (after s0lstice posted, then removed his #FOS) in what i see as a defensive measure under the "rationale" that s0lstice should have continued with his pressure. it is my opinion that he did this to cement his 'innocence' by 'promoting' a more thorough pressuring in future. next. after his accusation of s0lstice (FOR ALTERNATING HIS #FOS TO QUICKLY) do you know what he does? His next post in his filter is moving his defensive #FOS against s0lstice (quite hypocritically i might add) onto another player (ShiaoPi). next. he avoids his next suspicion (ShiaoPi) and jumps on a bandwagon of voting against Mufaa. (which i'm fine with, except for the context its in) I feel that Miltonkram's play is quite scummy. 3. Hegeo I pretty much agree with Mordanis on this player, but i will reserve voting. 4. ShiaoPi This player has been very defensive the whole game. It's hard to get a read from someone when they are being defensive. He does a good job of trying to avert suspicion from him. The problem with defensive play is that you start to get suspicious of the person accusing you. Thoughts & Comments Obviously i need to read a little more into the other players but these are some i have focussed on so far. Miltonkram sticks out to me the most out of the non-lurkers however. I urge everyone, both people being defensive and offensive. To have a re-read over the person they are accusing/defending and try to see their other posts that arent aimed to you. Perhaps you will get a bit more insight into their position as remember there is 7 of us trying to figure this out! ##FOS Miltonkram | ||
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That being said. @s0lstice, i can't see any reason why you're going for ShaoPi. both of you seem to be tunnelling eachother for knee-jerk voting the other. could each of you please write in dot points your arguments. I just need a simplified summary of your cases as i'm having trouble following them. @Miltonkram. Thank you for your swift reply. I understand that you can now see the holes in your play and it looks like you're ready to get into the swing of posting a bit more content. To get that started.. can you clarify your stance on ShaoPi for me in dot points also. i'm still waiting to see the community's response to my post on you and i'd like some discussion before i remove or act on my #FOS. your comments have been noted. | ||
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On May 23 2012 19:13 sciberbia wrote: It's obvious to me that those people under suspicion will push for a Mufaa lynch, just because they view him as an easy lynch and not too controversial. I'm not really going to hold it against you for pushing Mufaa, but let's face it (sorry for the hypothetical Release), if mufaa isn't mafia, who do the mafia have a really easy time getting mislynched? I agree with this point. Mufaa is a very easy option for us to lynch day one. Consider that he may be used as an escape option for the Mafia in day one. I personally think he will be modkilled. If Mufaa isn't modkilled i'll be super suspicious of him. BECAUSE, the only thing that can him from a modkill is a vote. Lurking that hard, followed by a vote is good grounds for a vig snipe or a day 2 lynch. I'm out for while. | ||
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I'm going to stand by my earlier posts about miltonkram. but before i vote i want to say that i will change to Hegeo in the case that we dont get enough votes for a lynch, i like Mordanis and Releases argument on him. In the case the miltonkram flips town, i'm going seriously question ShiaoPi however. @Hegeo can you please swap your vote of Mufaa, he is most likely modkilled. ##Vote: Miltonkram | ||
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we're really behind now  i'll mull over hegeo's final post before day two, it's really hard to draw links between players so early. but alot of what he has said works out. also Release, i dont think there was much of fiasco at the end of day one. the voting was fairly logical and it didnt seemed too rushed from anyone. people just switched over the the mis-lynch of hegeo. | ||
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The most heated debate at the moment is between 3 candidates. Release, Morsanis and miltonkram. Here's my read on the events at the moment. Hegeos got smashed, and his final post carries the most weight of anything in this entire thread. Since this time both Morsanis and release have been scrambling to defend themselves and appear least scummy. By the fact that they are both quite defensive I feel that miltonkram is right in saying one of them is most likely scum. However miltonkram by posting this opinion in relationship to his former situation makes me feel like he's using this as a great opportunity to avert attention from himself over to shiaopi. It is my opinion so far that miltonkram is mafia, and one of either Morsanis or release is also. I also think that his repetition about the 50/50 things makes him look very scummy as there is little content for so much taking. I'll quote it in my big post this arvo if it's still relevant. | ||
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1. Scumhunting: You're saying that i havent been searching for scum? I've read as much of this thread as you have. Are you saying that i'm not scumhunting because i have focussed on a single player instead of flipping between several all the time. Accusing everyone? It's my opinion that there are different roles of town, and not every town needs to be flinging shit at everyone. Whether or not Release is a town, he's been doing this just fine. I initially got a town vibe from him but because of the Mordanis/Release link i'm still uncertain of his loyalty. I digress. 2. Accountability: yes i must admit i did plan on posting a more in depth post on the issue. And in hindsight its very stupid i didnt because now my case i easily tainted if i was on the right track. eg. if YOU s0lstice and milton were mafia this is a perfect deflection, "omg, where is your argument on milton.. you must be making filler" if you were to pick me for accountability can i point you to this filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=337671&user=154712 if anyone should be accountable it should be Mufaa's replacement. he has a total of 4 very small posts. perhaps there is a reason mufaa wasn't modkilled. my argument on Milton still stands. i should be online for a little longer. | ||
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I think that Mordanis and Release are victims of circumstance in this situation. Mordanis's posts strike me as well thought out and very analytical, especially in his rebuttal of his link to Release. Release; i've got a new-town vibe from him from the get go. Not afraid to get his hands dirty for the sake of the town. I'm however usually a little more reserved, i think town has places for both our kinds of players. I also find it strange that 2 people have posted their cases on Mordanis so swiftly. Shiaopi and Miltonkram. I don't think that it's too far of a leap to presume that Mordanis is a very easy case today. It's worth a little thought. Also, if there isn't a solid unified case today then Mufaa/Skware is a must-lynch. This is a useless player =/ thoughts? the deadline approaches. | ||
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GG Mordanis GG Milton wp guys. EFF YOUU SKWAREE | ||
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On May 30 2012 09:03 Release wrote: And just a note now that the game has finished: The bait post (against milton) was intended to get Solstice killed. In my mind, he was the next lynch target for starting the Golden case and I knew that i would have to be alive to get a different case. I still can't believe Milton is a scum though. lol how can't u see milton as scum? so obvious all game | ||
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On May 30 2012 09:42 Release wrote: turns out, He had a full brain. MiltonBRAIN | ||
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On May 30 2012 11:55 slOosh wrote: I toyed with the idea of writing an analysis of this game but I chickened out because I lack confidence in my skills. should do it anyway mang, good place to start with a newbie game!  im sure the more active guys would love to hear an analysis of it, i know i would. | ||
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