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On May 25 2012 16:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Also me kita and VE are the templar bros lol Deformed Archon GoGo! | ||
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On May 27 2012 11:20 GreYMisT wrote: I would like to give a big thanks to my friend and fellow Grubby mod "astroorion" for helping me send the PMs I think GreYMisT just wanted to brag about being a Grubby mod. CAUGHT YOU! I agree with Wiggle's statement about the pardoner. The only person who we should elect as a the runner-up should be a player who states in the thread that he is unwilling to use the role on anyone but himself. Blazing, you may not be a troll, but you spam like no other. 37 posts in the first few hours of the game? -_- Mayor and pardoner elections are less important without bodyguards. The focus today should be determining the mayor's day one lynch. I may dislike policy lynches, but grush has failed to address any concerns. With a lyncher possibly in play, its extremeley likely that he has decided to run for mayor. I suggest we elect someone who has not declared their candidacy yet. ##Vote Hyaach. You got this. | ||
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On May 28 2012 01:02 VisceraEyes wrote: "Hey guys no scum candidate is up for elections so I'm gonna put one up now." Do you disagree with my assessment or do you just really want to get elected? :p On May 28 2012 02:03 GambitX32 wrote: @kitaman: elect someone who isn't running? This doesn't make sense to me, would if they are bad at reading people or turn out to be a lurker? Lyncher is likely to run for mayor. Picking someone who isn't running reduces the odds of electing a lyncher. It doesn't really matter if we elect a lurker or less skilled player as long as they are town. Mayor isn't really a town leader in this setup without the bodyguards. On May 28 2012 02:24 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: rofl kita aren't you copying foolishness with that one? Lies. Foolishness put much more effort in endorsing his candidate. On May 28 2012 02:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Lastly, Kitaman, I don't think anyone's going to take your suggestion seriously. However, I'm interested, why did you choose Hyaach? What made you want to suggest him as the random mayor? Because he is a newer player and I want to hear more from him. Do you agree that it is more likely that a lyncher will be running for mayor? Lets lynch meeple. | ||
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As much as I'd like to see a town role elected, we can't automatically assume toad is town. | ||
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Toad is our pardoner. It's the best of both worlds. It ensures we don't have a scum pardoner, which is the more dangerous of the two roles and it protects us from a mayor lyncher. If you're town toad, then great we denied the role. If not, then we don't really care if you would prefer mayor. | ||
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On May 28 2012 14:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Why would Kitaman care about keeping the Leader position out of the hands of the Lyncher? -_- On May 28 2012 14:51 VisceraEyes wrote: My point is, this is the sole purpose of Kita's post endorsing "someone random". By that logic also, it seems Kitaman isn't concerned about electing a TOWNIE into the position, it seems his only inspiration is to "avoid electing the Lyncher". lol I random voted Hyaach with the hope that he would post. I still feel its optimal to elect someone who didn't declare their candidacy in the first 24 hours, but Hyaach doesn't have nearly enough posts to warrent being elected. I'll have to decide tomorrow between the candidates. You mentioned earlier that I'm not interested in being elected, which is untrue. I would be perfectly content with being mayor. On May 28 2012 14:51 VisceraEyes wrote: Again...something I found odd was Kita's insistence that we end discussion on the topic of Toad being elected Vice Leader. First of all, if anything was distracting it was whether the role is useless or not. But that's not the point that Kitaman chose to end on...he wanted the discussion of who is Vice-Leader to be over, and he wanted the conclusion to be that Toad is elected. Odd or scummy? I'm not sure what is so strange to you. Toad role claims mason, which means he is either a lyncher or a mason. Therefore, we elect him as pardoner where he can do no harm and benefit town by denying the role that shortens the game by one cycle. Seems like a completely reasonable conclusion to me. Do you disagree that Toad should be elected? On May 28 2012 15:17 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Yeah VE I'd be down for a sinensis lynch. If we went for him I'd write up a proper analysis and shit but I think it's fairly obvious from the past several pages why he has to go. Humor us? Too tired to re-read the thread tonight. Tomorrow I'll have to give my thoughts about the lynch. | ||
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On May 28 2012 15:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm watching KHAN v STX (KHAN HWAITING), <3 <3 <3 On May 28 2012 15:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes Kita, I vehemently disagree with electing Toad to do anything...not that you.care since you're leaving... I'm going to bed so you can't explain your reasoning for not wanting the claimed mason elected as pardoner? I'll do you a favor and stick around a bit longer (not really) so you can tell us why. | ||
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On May 28 2012 15:37 VisceraEyes wrote: You're a gracious lord Kita. I'm not interested in electing a pardoner who could be convinced in PMs by some unsavory influence to affect a lynch I had a hand in voting for. Period. His mason claim made it really simple for me. Say Nope To Dope. And Toad. On May 28 2012 07:11 Toadesstern wrote: If I get pardoner I will NEVER EVER use it. Simple as that and there's no need to talk about this because every townie should treat it as that, unless maybe you're getting lynched yourself. So no manipulation there either. Either A) Toad is a mafia who fake claimed mason to get elected and procede to get lynched day two. B) Toad is not mafia and a compuslive liar who can't help himself. Which is the scenario that you're backing VE? Your reasoning is completely inadquate. We've been given the opportunity to elect a non-scum into office and you have openly oppossed the idea. Between the two of us, it must be tough to say that I'm the scummiest with a straight face. | ||
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On May 28 2012 16:04 VisceraEyes wrote: C) Toad has claimed mason-who-talks-to-non-mod-confirmed-town-outside-the-thread and I don't want mason-who-talks-to-non-mod-confirmed-town-outside-the-thread in office. I want a townie in office, but not Toad...Toad is one of many many townies in the game Kita. But how many players can we be so certain isn't scum? You act as if toad is a completely incompetant who will certainly be tricked into going against his word to pardon a scum player. A town player who is given the opportunity to elect a player who isn't scum jumps on it. They don't discredit their ability and risk electing a mafia pardoner. On May 28 2012 16:08 Blazinghand wrote: I find Kitaman to be utterly inscrutable. At the time he voted for Hyaach, Hyaach's sole contribution to the game was an attempt to NOT vote for the mayor. Since then, he has successfully stated that he plans to placeholder-vote, and that... he hasn't caught up in the thread. I can't possibly imagine any town motivation for pushing Hyaach for mayor. RnGing a mayor candidate, or, as Kita seems to have done, voted Hyaach... to presure him? lol Hyaach was mentioned in passing hours into the game. Is that really what you guys are going to jump on? :p He really does need to post though -_- On May 28 2012 16:08 Blazinghand wrote: Also apparently Kita is down with being mayor but hasn't voted himself or presented a candidacy. Now, I've seen some weird, weird play out of Kita in my day. But this really takes the cake. Spamming up the thread with why I'm so great and how I'm going to be active and open doesn't really do much for the game. (I am great by the way) On May 28 2012 16:08 Blazinghand wrote: He's mostly afraid of the lyncher, and quite notably NEVER mentions wiggles anywhere in his filter, except to answer a direct question, and once in passing about the Pardoner. Why doesn't he want to interact with one of the main mayoral candidates? Wiggles has made some valid points, but nothing that tells me about his alignment. The length of his posts tells me that he is putting effort into appearing town (I should probably work on that too), but again that doesn't say much about his alignment. When asked about lynch candidates, he only references toad, who clearly isn't going to be lynched tomorrow, so I don't have much to say about him until he comes up with a real target. On May 28 2012 16:10 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: + Show Spoiler [PL] + STORKUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU GOGOGOOG KHAAAAAAAAAAAAN :D Can I switch my random vote to Meapak? Dang it VE, you cost me an hour of sleep. | ||
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On May 28 2012 16:31 Blazinghand wrote: "mentioned in passing"? you voted him >.> That's like saying that I met a girl when in fact we've been married for 5 years Naw, I didn't actually vote for him. (Not that it matters). Pretty sure I've random voted in about 80% of my games and changed once there is content in the thread. Is this suddenly scummy? | ||
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On May 28 2012 16:35 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: lol wrong thread  On May 10 2012 01:40 GreYMisT wrote:Spam: Spam is not tolerated, nor is any off-topic material. Do not discuss Proleague here.  | ||
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On May 28 2012 16:37 Blazinghand wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 28 2012 16:35 kitaman27 wrote: Naw, I didn't actually vote for him. (Not that it matters). Pretty sure I've random voted in about 80% of my games and changed once there is content in the thread. Is this suddenly scummy? On May 28 2012 00:52 kitaman27 wrote: I think GreYMisT just wanted to brag about being a Grubby mod. CAUGHT YOU! I agree with Wiggle's statement about the pardoner. The only person who we should elect as a the runner-up should be a player who states in the thread that he is unwilling to use the role on anyone but himself. Blazing, you may not be a troll, but you spam like no other. 37 posts in the first few hours of the game? -_- Mayor and pardoner elections are less important without bodyguards. The focus today should be determining the mayor's day one lynch. I may dislike policy lynches, but grush has failed to address any concerns. With a lyncher possibly in play, its extremeley likely that he has decided to run for mayor. I suggest we elect someone who has not declared their candidacy yet. ##Vote Hyaach. You got this. ???? As in, a serious vote in the voting thread. | ||
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On May 28 2012 16:40 VisceraEyes wrote: You're free to go anytime my guy. I just have a couple of quick comments. First, the bolded statement. Again, you're subtly brushing against the fact that you think I'm scum. Just come out and say it, you don't have to be scared Kita. I'm not going to go apeshit and cry OMGUS, you just better have a good explanation for why me having a preference as to who gets what elected position makes me automatically scum when we get votes specifically to indicate our preference on the matter as a mechanic in the very game. I'm just arguing for what's best for town. Either you are scum or you are wrong. I won't make bold statements and say that you just claimed scum, but you're not seeing what I'm seeing, which I find scummy. On May 28 2012 16:40 VisceraEyes wrote: My question is why in the hell are you so fixated with protecting town from the Lyncher? Again, this was in my original case against you and you're failing to recognize it as a functional aspect of my argument. It's a possible role in the game sure, but do you know the full aspects of the role? Is it the Lyncher's target definitely a townie? And here's some food for thought: Toadesstern has very explicitly stated that he will NOT be using the pardoner power if elected. You know who that kinda sounds like? A lyncher. I mean yeah he claimed Mason and everything, but if you're so fixated on protecting us from the lyncher you'd risk putting someone like Toad who has very explicitly stated that he will "never use the power ever"? I think a lyncher's target is most likely town yes. From a balancing perspective, it seems harsh that a third party player was given the objective to target a mafia player for death. I'm not sure what you are saying in the second part. I'm interested in protecting the mayor position from the lyncher (and scum) because, well, they lynch their target who is likely town. It's in the lyncher pardoner's best interest to not use the pardoner role, which also happens to be the ideal use for town. Is this not the case? On May 28 2012 16:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Thirdly, sleep well scummy prince. See you in my dreams.  | ||
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On May 29 2012 04:11 VisceraEyes wrote: Wiggles, I'd like you to seriously SERIOUSLY consider lynching Toadesstern today...at the very least tell me what you think of the guy as completely and honestly as possible. I'm going to do the same right now. Right, lets lynch the player who has the ability to confirm his role (or implicate a scumbuddy) on night one. On May 28 2012 17:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Here's the part that really gets me about Kita's whole Lyncher fixation: it's entirely based on one huge contradiction. :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Allow me to illustrate. Kita's reasoning for his Lyncher fixation, I believe, is to protect that one "townie target" from the lynch to extend the game exactly 1 cycle. Don't even worry about the fact that the Lyncher has no direct control over the lynch, because that's not the point. The point is to protect that one "townie target" from the lynch to extend the game exactly 1 cycle Kita's insisting that Toad be voted for Vice Leader of Earth on the platform of "soon I'll be 'confirmed' * Mason and I'll never ever use the power". By his estimation and repeated (ad nauseum?) insistence, it's in town's best interest to never use the pardoner power. But, by definition, the pardoner power extends the game exactly 1 cycle ....see where I'm going with this? His philosophies are completely contradictory! You can't be serious. The pardoner power doesn't extend the game in a pro-town fashion. It cancels out the town lynch, the mafia gets a round of night hits, and we likely lynch the same exact player the next day after wasting a night of discussion about whether or not the pardoner is scum. The pardoner is the equivalent to a public Prince of Darkness. Are you really trying to argue that is not in town's best interest to deny this role? You act is this is some groundbreaking scummy idea. It's been the policy in nearly ever game I've ever played. On May 28 2012 14:52 VisceraEyes wrote: YAY WE CAME TO THE EXACT SAME CONCLUSION INDEPENDENTLY! On May 28 2012 16:50 VisceraEyes wrote: MZ this shit is gold are you getting all this? On May 28 2012 17:12 VisceraEyes wrote: MZ I want your opinion: obviously in an ideal situation the town comes to a consensus on a lynch and there are no problems. But is it really in town's best interest to never use the pardoner power? On May 28 2012 17:41 VisceraEyes wrote: Once again we find ourselves in complete agreement. Buddy, buddy, buddy? In regards to Sinensis being considered for the lynch, sure focusing all his attention on a policy lynch is poor play, but is it scummy? It seems somewhat out of character for a scum player to start the game off pushing a policy that is going to be frowned upon, rather than just posting some setup speculation, jumping on a random mayoral candidate, and calling out a scummy townie. I could get behind a strongandbig lynch. His reasoning for running for pardoner was silly and then he drops out of the mayor race to avoid the spotlight. His case against supersoft seems forced. VE should also be considered. I'd like to hear Wiggles and ET's opinion on his his agenda thus far. I'd really like to hear Manason's opinion about who should be lynched. If he doesn't give his opinion, he should be considered. | ||
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On May 29 2012 07:58 supersoft wrote: What happened to kitaman? why isn't he running? can we vig him for that or is that his new townstyle? On May 30 2012 03:59 Toadesstern wrote: If you want to vig someone shoot Kita or hold your fire for today. On May 29 2012 23:07 Toadesstern wrote: Kita sounds like a nice vig target for toda On May 30 2012 04:08 VisceraEyes wrote: Superstar have you even looked at Kita? I think he's a better vigi target than either of wiggle or MZ if we are talking about vigging vets all of a sudden. Have any of you people even read the thread or do you all just enjoy bringing up name up as the flavor of the day? A vig shot or even considering me for a lynch would be a horrible idea. I was one of the only people to openly defend Sinensis, giving specific reasons why I believed him to be townie. I provided alternatives and was ignored. I was the only person who attempted to get the claimed mason into office. Am I missing something? On May 30 2012 03:59 VisceraEyes wrote: ¿Kita what do you think of Zealos sir? ¡I'll respond in a bit! | ||
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On May 30 2012 05:27 Forumite wrote: EBWOP: I´m fine with you NOT calling it, if your target dies then it doesn´t matter if you call it or not. I'd feel much more comfortable if you announced it before the night hits were revealed. | ||
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On May 28 2012 15:20 VisceraEyes wrote: I mean, I spelled it out myself. Okay, so I like Kita/Sinensis for scum so far...which is actually kinda disturbing, what do you think about 2 scum pretty much just claiming in thread like that? The confidence coming from this post is not townlike. At this point, the only policies I have pushed is electing a candidate who hasn't announced their intentions for running for mayor and to elect Toad as pardoner. Sinensis has only pushed a policy lynch, which may have been a poor idea, but wasn't inherantly scummy. In response, makes a blanket statement about us claiming scum. Throughout the thread, VE has been asking players their opinion of other players, but has yet to produce a valid case against a player. He announces that I would be his prefered lynch, yet refuses to push it due to lack of support. If he was willing to push me yesterday, why back off today? You don't ignore your primary scum suspect because everyone else thinks he is town, you convince them with a compelling case. I was attacked primarily for my support of Toad, yet now that Toad has been confirmed as a mason, his opinion of me has not changed? Hopefully more to come in a bit. | ||
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On May 30 2012 13:35 wherebugsgo wrote: also I have completed reading the thread. I have some other sneaking suspicions but I won't let them go for now, because there is far too much on the table already. There's no need to try and out the entire scumteam right now when we can only kill one of them and not 6. You can't sub into a game and then refuse to share your reads. | ||
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On May 30 2012 13:55 Probulous wrote: Given that Kita has gone after you it would be great if you could summarise your case against him. His play to me is double-sided. I can't understand the motivation behind the Lyncher thing but everything else he has done looks townie. Hmm, you don't understand why I wouldn't want a lyncher elected? On May 30 2012 14:06 Probulous wrote: I noticed this too Kita but how does it make him scum? The role is pretty damn useless as scum would be sacrificing one of their own if they used it. Toad however is difficult to read and is not beyond doing things that look incredibly scummy. I can understand a certain trepidation in putting him into office. It is not like VE was advocating putting scum into the role. As you say Toad could be confirmed the next day and so it would make sense to use that as leverage to ensure scum don't get the role but it seems VE just wasn't comfortable with Toad being in a position of power. Why is that scum motivated and not a paranoid townie? The role isn't useless as scum because a strong player can argue for the use of a pardon and the role kills us at lylo. As far as I can see, there was nothing to be paranoid about. Toad put himself in a situation where his word could be trusted and he gave his word that he wouldn't use the pardoner role. A paranoid townie is the one who doesn't pass on the opportunity to elect toad into office, because the other candidates may be scum. On May 30 2012 13:49 wherebugsgo wrote: this is funny, kita. I shared 3 of my reads. I'm not about to share my town reads (that aren't meapak) nor the rest of my reads. Though, I suppose if you're attacking me right now it means you've caught onto something. Good for you, it's nice to know scum are scared of me. I just saw your post, wondering why you dedicate a post to telling us that you had suspicions, but weren't going to share them, without fully catching up on the thread. My appologies. | ||
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Hassybaby has not shared his opinion on a single player this game. I'd like to request a large post from him within the next 24 hours or he should be strongly considered as a vig target tommorrow night. Zealos has disappeared. As a lynch candidate, he needs to be extremely active today if he hopes to stay out of trouble. marvellosity's filter is far too safe for my liking. GambitX32's two posts look as if he knew he would be expected to share his opinion, but had nothing to say, so he just made a few generic statements about a bunch of players. I don't see anything of value that his post adds to the thread. I'm unwilling to trust Wiggles, but I'm unable to put together anything close to a valid case against him. With myself and Meapak being town, it doesn't bode well for him for him from a balance perspective, although VE could also serve as the scum leader. S&B and Manason are still sketchy. I want a more developed case from each of them that adds something to the thread. | ||
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On May 30 2012 14:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Today we should be lynching kitaman, I'll write a nice little something up in a bit as to why. Or you could save your time and focus your efforts elsewhere. | ||
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On May 30 2012 14:59 Probulous wrote: What does this mean? Are they scum or dumb town? They are both players that I see as more scummy than towny. | ||
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On May 31 2012 01:14 marvellosity wrote: Your point is "balance lol" I'm not lynching on that. I'm convinced. ![[image loading]](http://hollywoodhatesme.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/hypnotoad.jpg) | ||
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On May 31 2012 01:10 Toadesstern wrote: anyways, I need several people to get in here before starting to explain stuff so I'm a little afk (I could tell you what I'm doing but some weird guy would probably come out of nowhere telling me that's some weird breadcrumb) BREADCRUMB?! Are you claiming Professor Membrane, the creator of supertoast?! ![[image loading]](http://cdn.buzznet.com/assets/users16/foolishxearthxcreature/default/professor-membrane-toast--large-msg-119759279368.jpg) | ||
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On May 31 2012 01:38 VisceraEyes wrote: Kita are you town? I mean, obviously I have doubts...but I was unable to make a cohesive case against you last night when I tried. I think you're playing a pretty manipulative game, but not necessarily scummy after trying to build a case. I'm willing to work with you if you're town. I wanted to work together VE! I really did! But then you shunned logic and focused on your nonsense manipulation arguement to the point where you could no longer be included in our order! Don't blame us for your failings VE. I counted 17 instances in your filter where you found me suspicious, wanted me lynched, or suggested that I should be shot. My policy has not changed. The only change is that I have written a case against you and Meapak no longer suspects me. So tell me, what has changed that made you go from the point of stating that I "claimed scum in the thread" to being town. You say you cannot build a case against me, but that did not stop you from pushing for my death the previous cycle. What gives? Furthermore, why were you unwilling to push a case on me without Meapak's support? If I was truly your number one suspect, why does he have to push the lynch on me, rather than yourself? | ||
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On May 31 2012 02:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Because like you I need vet support to ly.ch a vet. Nothing strange about that. No, from your first post you've made it clear that I'm not welcome in your order. Even now you speak in the past tense...indicating that even if it wear possible, the time is passed. It doesn't matter now. You don't want me to work with you even though by your estimation I'm skilled enough to "lead the scumteam"...which I find maddening. I hope your.conviction is as strong as your.suspicion. I'm town and I won't be just LETTING you lynch me. You didn't address my main concerns On May 31 2012 01:51 kitaman27 wrote: I counted 17 instances in your filter where you found me suspicious, wanted me lynched, or suggested that I should be shot. My policy has not changed. The only change is that I have written a case against you and Meapak no longer suspects me. So tell me, what has changed that made you go from the point of stating that I "claimed scum in the thread" to being town. You say you cannot build a case against me, but that did not stop you from pushing for my death the previous cycle. What gives? | ||
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On May 30 2012 14:31 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Right now I'm trying to determine who I think is scummiest/want to lynch from kitaman/supersoft/zealos/gambit. How did you come to decide it should be gambit from that list? | ||
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On May 31 2012 09:46 VisceraEyes wrote: Something to note Probulous is the fact that Kitaman promised to take a closer look at Hyaach specifically BECAUSE he chose him as his random candidate. I wonder what the fruits of those observations has been. ##Unvote: Zealos ##Vote: Hyaach lol now you're just making stuff up -_- | ||
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On May 31 2012 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote: EBWOP: Preview is my friend! So...he's posted Kita. What do you think? Good lynch candidate? Yeah? No? I think he is in a pool of about 10 players who have no interest in playing this game. If we're lynching lurkers then fine, but with his limited number of posts I can say to have an opinion one way or the other. | ||
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On May 31 2012 11:14 VisceraEyes wrote: I can't tell you why Kita does what Kita does. I find it suspicious because it was not relevant to finding scum at all. Like, almost ALL of the discussion about keeping the lyncher out of office was LITERALLY USELESS to finding scum, and that doesn't seem like townie Kita. Not to mention the fact that scum can third-party hunt in lieu of scumhunt and guess what: IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING!! It was relevant because it increased the chances of keeping an anti-town player out of office. You act as if I spammed up the thread with lyncher discussion. I only mentioned it a couple of times. Electing toad was the main policy I pushed. Prob, why are you asking VE his opinion about this topic? Are you trying to fuel the flames? | ||
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I find the following players scummy and have listed them in the preference of lynching order. VisceraEyes: case stated earlier sToFu: Apologetic, lacks town tells Mr. Wiggles: Band-wagoning, play has completely dropped off as promising to be a leader strongandbig: stated ealier Hassybaby: Active lurker. Refusing to contribute even after people have complained about his apathy. I find the following having contributed little to nothing in the thread. I'd like each of them to comment about the above five names or bring up something meaningful to show that they care about showing that they are town. Otherwise, they should all be considered for vig shots. Manason GambitX32 Cwave Hassybaby Kenpachi phagga Hyaach sToFu | ||
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On May 31 2012 11:31 VisceraEyes wrote: It's possible of course, but I'm actually with you - I'd say Kita is more likely scum than third party. The Iggins thing was a joke because he mentioned Gaz, literally my favorite character in any show ever made. "But that means his whole motivation for the lyncher obsession was to create confusion?" Possibly...but I think it's probably more sinister than that if Kita is scum. Like, kita's town play is pretty easy to distinguish...he's active, he pushes his reads and he questions people to get those reads. All he's done this game was OMGUS all over my face, which is absolutely NOT the kind of play I expect of town Kita. Not at all. Town Toad definitely. Town VE absolutely. Not Town Kita. So I'm back to being scum now that someone else has jumped on board? What happened to not being able to make a case and wanting to work with me as town? You're all over the place. | ||
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On May 27 2012 18:22 Mr. Wiggles wrote: If you want to lynch someone, I expect you to actually come up with reasons why it's best to do so, and not just blatant sheeping. On May 31 2012 03:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Instead, I think we should go with lynching Gambit today. The case on him has already been made, and it's pretty solid based on the information we have. In your own words Wiggles, could you explain to me why Gambit is a better lynch than the alternatives? Also, why the drop-off in activity since your election? | ||
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On May 31 2012 12:35 Manason wrote: As you wish. Also note that I have previously stated I'm for the lynching of Kita or Zealous. So don't come at me and say that I'm just mad that your calling for a vig shot. VisceraEyes: He's for lynching Kita, so I want to work with him for now. sToFu: I don't think he's scum. Mr. Wiggles: I voted for him because I trusted his judgment. Nothing I've seen so far has led me to not trust my intial insticts. strongandbig: at some points I've thought he's scum, other times town. To be honest I have no opinion at the moment. Hassybaby: I'm not for lynching the lurkers at the moment as we have better targets that are active. Like Kita and Zealous. You stated that you wish to pressure me with your vote, but have not once explained your reasoning for voting me. Please provide a case (and I hope its more detailed than your views of those five) | ||
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On May 31 2012 12:39 wherebugsgo wrote: (and I think kita just ninja voted, or at least it's a ninja vote till he explains it here) It's not a ninja vote when I've written a full case and explained my intentions several times. I figured I'd give VE something else to spam about :p | ||
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On May 31 2012 12:48 Manason wrote: To be completely honest, I have no reasoning as to why I think your scum other than intuition, and I want you to defend yourself as it will either make me change my mind about voting you or provide more information. My enemy is scum, if your town please, convince me. You want me to defend myself from the fact that your intuition tells you that I am scum? You've given me no case to respond to. Does that mean your strongest scum read is based on a gut feeling? Nobody else has done anything this game that you actually find scummy? | ||
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On May 31 2012 14:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't care if you're angry. I post a lot. Sue me. I'm town, I'm a vig and you're all trying to kill me. What now guys? What now? Where do we go from here? I'm sorry you disagree with my playstyle. I am. But this is how I play. It appears Palmar was right after all. I really am just a displeasure to play with. *sigh* You're always a pleasure to play with VE <3 So you're a vig who shot night one, but didn't call your shot? | ||
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On May 31 2012 14:48 VisceraEyes wrote: ¡I breadcrumbed it! If you vig'd him at night and was roleblocked, why am I you're primary lynch target going into day two? Wouldn't it make more sense for your target to be the guy you just tried to kill? | ||
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On May 31 2012 14:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: lol VE's not a vigi. Here's how setups like this work, in Annul's harry potter game the entire town essentially claimed and outed the mafia because the mafia had no idea what roles were in the game and accidentally claimed roles that townies had. Ollivander + Pomfrey OP | ||
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On June 01 2012 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote: And here's something to factor in. Scum don't know if I'm scum or SK any more than town does...so chances are, I'm going to eat a bullet. Know why? Cause I'm beast-mode SK. Ask fucking anyone. Are you able to recruit me again? I'd totally team up with you if that were the case. | ||
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On June 01 2012 07:13 Probulous wrote: Note how Kita has dissapeared and let others do his bidding. Remember he was the one that started this whole thing with his base case on VE. I don't like this wagon, there is no coutner push, no other option, nothing. It is simply the loudest players bullying through their choice of target. I was the first person to bring up a case against him. How is that letting others do my bidding? Spending time convincing VE that he is scum isn't going to solve anything. I haven't disappeared. If you'd like a long list of individuals who have disappeared, I'd be more than happy to direct you their way. | ||
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On June 01 2012 07:57 Blazinghand wrote: guys, hurry the dicks up and vote G32 You're going to get 15 votes in the next 3 minutes? Or do you just want a no-lynch so we can go through this again tomorrow? | ||
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On June 01 2012 11:12 Mattchew wrote: "guys, you can't think im scum cause a confirmed townie called me scum" - Kitaman27 Correct. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/x1axb.jpg) It's time we take a look at our mayor Mr. Wiggles. While Wiggles was voted into the leader position, he has displayed little interest in leading the town the first two cycles. While individuals such as myself and Meapak have put in effort to push our prefered lynch candidates, Wiggles has sat in the background jumping on others cases. His posts have been lengthy and well-written, but they are also incredibly safe. In his initial campaign post, Wiggles announces that he is running for office, but prefers to be elected vice-leader. He explains how the pardoner is the more important of the two roles and that he wants it for himself because he knows his own alignment. With the voting seperated by only a couple of individuals, he easily could have ensured that he obtained the pardoner role with a simple request in the thread to rearrange a few votes. However, his only legitimate opponent, EchelonTee, has expressed suspicion of Zealos and a strong anti-Zealos movement has started to gain strength hours before the deadline. Rather than trusting the lynch in EchelonTee's hands and securing the pardoner position, which his campaign was based upon, he drops his initial plan and ensures himself that he is elected mayor. While he does vote for EchelonTee himself, he only does so with less than an hour remaining into the day, where his victory is nearly certain. During the entire day one cycle, Zealos never considers or even references Wiggles as mayor. As one of the two main candidates, why wouldn't he take a moment to comment on his candidacy? Between Wiggles two day one lynch candidates, we have two townies. While being wrong isn't necessarily scummy, his case against Sinensis took advantage of a poor day one plan, and made it appear as if he was pushing a scummy agenda. Furthermore, he fails to address any of the concerns against his case for why Sinensis would be a poor day one lynch. Day two is where Wiggle's play really starts to drop off. Rather than actively perticipating in discussion, he jumps on 2-post Gambit, without providing any reasoning, except there was a solid case. Only after questioned, does he actually provide a case for his vote. In addition, he makes the following statement about VE: On May 31 2012 03:01 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I'm going to say right off the bat that I disagree with the VE case. He's one of my town-reads. I don't see why him opposing Toad being elected into office makes him scum. As well, I don't really see why what he's posting makes him scum. While he explains that his opinion on VE has changed after his flip-flopping on the lynch and his late vote switch, he never addresses why the town-tells he found on day one no longer apply. In addition, he only supports the VE lynch after it has gained a large amount of support. While his mayoral double vote is necessary to ensure the mislynch, he makes sure to remind the town that he had a town read on VE initially: On June 01 2012 01:49 Mr. Wiggles wrote: I guess I was wrong about VE being town, as his play today has shown. =/ Wiggles completely drops his prefered lynch, gambit, without any push. Instead, he jumps on his second lynch bandwagon based on a case he didn't contribute to. Throughout the game, Wiggles has shown little signs of actual scum hunting. He has shared his opinion on occassion, but lacks the assertive attitude towards pushing a pro-town agenda that I would expect, which makes me believe he is scum. There are a large number of people who seem to agree that Wiggles is mafia, but never has he been considered for an actual candidate. ##Vote: Mr. Wiggles | ||
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On June 02 2012 12:09 EchelonTee wrote: Kita what you think of a g32 lynch? It seems like you're implying that wiggles case on him was bad Gambit isn't playing this game. At this point, I'd like him to do a "share my opinion on every player in the game" type post or something, so at least we have something to go by. I couldn't say he was scum or town with any confidence right now. | ||
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On June 02 2012 12:31 Probulous wrote: The case is clear against you. You pushed a VE lynch and then let MZ railroad it through. You wre apparently in the thread all day but hardly contributed. Well it's not clear to me. I can't defend myself against something that isn't written. I pushed a VE lynch, which the majority of the players in the game found perfectly reasonable. Why does whether or not Meapak also posted a case have any impact on my alignment? Mine came first and my prefered lynch target was pushed through, what else was there to contribute? On June 02 2012 12:31 Probulous wrote: Then you blame VE for distracting you from zealos? Remind me to include my sarcasm tag next time. | ||
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On June 02 2012 13:43 Kenpachi wrote: Kita is pretty calm for someone about to die. he just chainsawed Wiggles to try to defend himself in the most calm manner possible. and guess what, that is a scumtell. I'm guilty if I present a case against someone. I'm guilty if I don't? Is that how it works? Why shouldn't I be calm? I'll logically respond to anything that is brought up against me. Does no-one wish to comment on Mr.Wiggles? On June 02 2012 13:45 Kenpachi wrote: you think about defense but you do not think about offense I think Kenpachi has turned himself into a fortune cookie. | ||
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On June 02 2012 20:13 Probulous wrote: I have been over this but essentially it seemed like Kita was more concerned about a lyncher than scum. The lyncher would be taking a huge risk to push himself into the mayor role even more so if they do not know their target. Well I guess we disagree. I know I would have 100% gone all out to get elected mayor as a lyncher or assassin and I felt my plan increased our chances of getting an anti-town player into office. On June 02 2012 20:13 Probulous wrote: - It created a huge distraction from what should have been the real focus of day 1, making sure that TOWN get into the power roles. By focusing on a minor role, he distracted us from our main goal. Do I need to remind you guys that I was the only person to support the claimed mason getting one of these power roles as pardoner? Quite contradictory. On June 02 2012 20:13 Probulous wrote: - it creates a climate of fear. Doom shall come to you all if you vote for me. DOOOOOM I SAY! On June 02 2012 20:13 Probulous wrote: 2.Plants suspicion that Toad is a lyncher Am I planting supsicion or am I truly suspicious? I didn't say Toad was a lyncher. I said Toad was a lyncher or a mason. Therefore I proposed a plan that benefited town in either situation, allowing us to guartee a non-scum was elected as pardoner. One of the main points I had against VE, was that he openly opposed this plan for poor reasons, which undoubtedly was beneficial for town. On June 02 2012 20:13 Probulous wrote: I even prodded Kita about letting other do his dirty work but he just laughed it off. If he was so sure about VE why wasn't he the one pushing the wagon. How wasn't I pushing the wagon? I was the first person to write up my case, I was the first to vote for my target, and I encouraged other people to vote for my target. MZ also producing a case doesn't have any impact on my alignment. I still don't understand what you are talking about here. What is more scummy, me pushing a lynch on my prefered lynch target? Or Wiggles jumping in at the end of the day to vote for Kita's prefered lynch target over his own? On June 02 2012 20:13 Probulous wrote: TLDR Kita created an atmosphere of fear that distracted town from scumhunting. He used the lyncher to subtly discredit Toad and then used Toad's ability to prove himself, to discredit VE. He posted a case on VE that boiled down to VE being unsure of his reads and let others railroad it home. kitaman27 must swing. No, the players who have put absolutely no effort into this game have created an atmosphere that has made scumhunting difficult. While my case against VE may have been incorrect, at least I'm pushing my prefered lynch, which is something you can't say for nearly everyone else in this game. On June 02 2012 21:27 wherebugsgo wrote: Man lynching for info is so dumb If kita flips town then we'll be in trouble. So where do you stand bugs? Why is the day a quarter of the way over with only 2 posts of value? Nobody has an opininon other than "lol lynch kita"? Why are players like Hassybaby getting away with hardcore lurking? | ||
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On June 03 2012 04:28 Hassybaby wrote: Well I'm here now kita if you wanna chat about the game. Why is it day three and you haven't written a case against anyone this game? And why is the thread so silent -_- | ||
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On June 03 2012 04:54 Hassybaby wrote: Mostly because the main discussions happened during Day 1 and Night 1, and i was out for a lot of that, either feeling unwell or preparing for my trip. If you have any specific person that I should have a look at besides they main candidates then I'll happily do that. Also I suck at writing full cases Why should I have to tell you who to look at? Do you not have anyone you're supsicious of? I'd much rather have you write a case that sucks, then no case at all | ||
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On June 03 2012 10:11 Toadesstern wrote: both will flip mafia, so who cares, we need to speed this cycle up :D Right, who cares about a third mislynch. Lets speed this along. I'm sad Meapak has abandoned the game For someone who has apparently taken a hit, bugs hasn't done anything townie this game. Where you at? | ||
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On June 03 2012 12:21 jaj22 wrote: I guess I'll post my stuff on Kita even though I'm still not sure whether to vote him over Gambit: The Zealos connection: This bit's mostly a rehash of an earlier post of mine. Two points here: Firstly, Kita acknowledges the breadcrumb, which would explain why VE was roleblocked. Secondly, Kita never actually responds. He takes the time to dig up an upside down exclamation mark, but he doesn't spend the two minutes it takes to read Zealos's filter? Not much excuse here. Right, I saw that VE posted an upside down question mark, SO I ROLEBLOCKED HIM KNOWING HE MUST BE A VIG. :p I read zealos's filter and commented later, although I essentially acknowledged that he was a lurker without having much of a read. On June 03 2012 12:21 jaj22 wrote: Midway through day 2, Kita's sole comment about Zealos until his post-lynch troll. Note also the poke at Marvellosity, who had a strong meta-read on Zealos after nailing him in MTG. Next one spoilered for length: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 11:35 kitaman27 wrote: Your post doesn't have a conclusion prob. I assumed lynchers know their target because it would be an imbalanced role otherwise. I've never played in a game where a player's win condition is to lynch an unknown target. I find the following players scummy and have listed them in the preference of lynching order. VisceraEyes: case stated earlier sToFu: Apologetic, lacks town tells Mr. Wiggles: Band-wagoning, play has completely dropped off as promising to be a leader strongandbig: stated ealier Hassybaby: Active lurker. Refusing to contribute even after people have complained about his apathy. I find the following having contributed little to nothing in the thread. I'd like each of them to comment about the above five names or bring up something meaningful to show that they care about showing that they are town. Otherwise, they should all be considered for vig shots. Manason GambitX32 Cwave Hassybaby Kenpachi phagga Hyaach sToFu Kita manages to make a scum + lurker list that doesn't include Zealos. Funny, given that he previously listed Zealos as a lynch candidate who needs to post more. Actually I'm not sure how he made this mistake even as scum. Just slipped my mind. Nothing really to say here. It's not like omitting his name would suddenly make everyone forget about him in order to protect my scumbuddy. As for the gambit lynch, as he has been completly absent two days in a row, I'd be willing to support a lynch against him if nobody was willing to go after Wiggles. | ||
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I'll swap over to Gambit since the last thing we need is a RoL 2.0, but I'd still like to hear thoughts about Wiggles, Hassybaby, sToFu, and Kenpachi. It's going to be incredibly disappointing if gambit was a townie who decided to simply evade the modkill requirements without posting for three cycles. Unfortunately, I have to head out in about a half an hour and may not be back until around seven. Don't mislynch me while I'm gone -_- | ||
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On June 04 2012 01:45 Hassybaby wrote: I have a question kita. With the way the game's going, and the fact that in the eyes of the entire town, there's confirmed scum to be voted for, were you expecting anything different? Considering how early it is in the game and how town is currently behind, yes I was expecting more activity. | ||
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Its myself vs the scum roleblocker for todays lynch and your conclusion is that it makes me look worse? | ||
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On June 05 2012 06:04 Manason wrote: I started to make a case, but it took to long and I decided to go play Skyrim. 3/3 for people who give up mid-way because there was no case to make. I'm starting to see a trend! | ||
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On June 05 2012 08:02 Probulous wrote: Yeah that is my question too. WBG been shot twice and he isn't protected the third time? Bugs was shot three times? Did I miss something? I only recall the day one claimed shot and today's shot. | ||
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On June 05 2012 08:05 Probulous wrote: ##Vote: Kitaman27 For VE, Bugs, Jaj, BH, supersoft and for mattchew. DIE Bastard DIE! Sorry, Kita I wouldn't normally say that but Toad made me do it. I'm incredibly offended. Toad should get modkilled for forcing that on you. | ||
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Could you direct me to the second claim? I can't seem to find it. | ||
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Yep, I'm working on a post that will come either later tonight or first thing tomorrow morning. | ||
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On June 05 2012 08:42 austinmcc wrote: Gonna start the game day with the breakfast of champions, a vote for kita. First time you've really mentioned suspicion of me. In fact, you stated you disagreed with the case against me. Why are you voting for me over your top scum suspects you listed earlier? | ||
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I am a Medic. I saved Meapak from a hit on night one. I have been on Toad night two and three. Don't waste time discussing whether or not my claim is real. If there is another medic who claims to have saved Meapak night one, then he can counter-claim me. Otherwise, I am confirmed town and we can end this lynch Kita nonsense. I'll make a post about my suspects later tonight. | ||
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On June 05 2012 11:25 Probulous wrote: Blatant attempt to out our medic. Scum know there is one because a shot was blocked on Night 1 and now since Kita is likely to be lynched he suddenly becomes our medic. No this is way too convenient and unfortunately the only way to tell for sure is to out another blue, or lynch him. Based on his posting I say we lynch him. Don't be sheep. On June 05 2012 11:25 Hyaach wrote: I urge the last medic to not claim and we lynch Kita today. It obvious we only have 1 saving power at night and if you claim, its a game a WIFOM at night. You've got to be kidding me. This is such a poor idea it hurts my head. We have the ability to stop a mislynch and confirm myself as town, yet you don't want to go through with it because the non-existant other medic may have a really slim chance to make a save on day five or day six (after which the game is probably over)? I'm not sure if you'd be a bold enough scum to oppose this plan or are just tunneling so hard you refuse to consider that I am town. On May 30 2012 14:55 kitaman27 wrote: With myself and Meapak being town, it doesn't bode well for him for him from a balance perspective, although VE could also serve as the scum leader. I even breadcrumbed the save. I don't consider that Meapak could be fake-claiming the hit because I saved him. Please don't waste time arguing of this nonsense. | ||
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I'm possibly willing to give prob a pass, but I know for a fact that you have enough experience to know that I'm the true medic if I'm making a claim like this with a save. Are you still saying I should be lynched? Careful with your answer. | ||
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On June 05 2012 11:39 Probulous wrote: Your claim is just that, a claim, and I don't buy it. We have no way of verifying it, so we judge you based on your posts. What is the alternative? We let you live indefinitely? You are not confirmed town, you are the major lynch target who has claimed a very convenient role which I don't think is true. Do you even believe what you're saying? Of course the claim is verifiable. I saved Meapak on night one. If there is another medic who saved Meapak night one, then they role claim. If no medic claims, then my role is verified. You don't have to worry about letting me live indefinitely because no other medic claiming means I must be the one who made the save. Are you honestly saying that a mislynch + 2 night hits is worth more than the non-existant medic's identity? Medics are nice, but if they have the opportunity to confirm a player as scum, then a role claim is more than worth giving up a day or two of their hidden identity. Can someone else please come in here and talk some sense into the town? On June 05 2012 11:42 Hyaach wrote: Im sorry but i cant find your breadcrumb. Its the part in bold. Notice how I make no mention of the bugs hit. I even breadcrumbed my actual role name. You can't get any clearer than this: On May 31 2012 01:29 kitaman27 wrote: BREADCRUMB?! Are you claiming Professor Membrane, the creator of supertoast?! | ||
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On June 05 2012 11:48 Manason wrote: Kita is just making a desperate attempt at saving himself from the lynch. Kill the scum. ##Vote: Kitaman27 That is 100% false. If I'm not the medic, then I am 100% getting lynched today because there would be a counter-claim. How does this claim save myself? | ||
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*Launches the Meapak signal* ![[image loading]](http://static.zoovy.com/img/toynk/W500-H500-Bffffff/D/dcd_apr080294_ca.jpg) I'd even be willing to get defended by a mafia Wiggles or Hassy at this point -_- | ||
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Town got screwed because they never established a set of "confirmed" townies. No-one is ever 100% confirmed but you were all suspecting each other all game long which meant mafia could easily blend in. | ||
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On day one, he announces that he will be focusing on the mayoral candidacies. Not once does he mention the day one lynch. When explaining his reasoning for voting, he doesn't actually make a choice, claiming he is satisified with both candidates. He votes for ET, stating that he would rather have Wiggles win the pardoner role. Why is his vote based on the role mechanics, rather than the player ET or Wiggles wishes to lynch? On day two, Hassybaby's only topic of discussion is regarding the VE lynch and the possibility of him being town. Not once does he bring up an alternate candidate for the lynch. With five minutes remaining in the cycle, he decides to unvote. The player he decides to switch to? Zealos. With only five minutes remaining in the game, the player Hassy switches too is irrelevant. However, what is strange is that hassy has only mentioned zealos once the entire game, during which he soft defends him. How does he suddenly become his prefered lynch target? The scum team knew that zealos would be modkilled, as he had failed to vote during the cycle. I suspect Hassy used this opportunity to gain town cred with his meaningless vote on a player who was going to flip red in a matter of minutes. On June 01 2012 08:15 Hassybaby wrote: Wait....what does Zealos' role mean? Does he control all of scum KP or just one? After this flip, hassy inquires about the mechanics of Zealos's role. I find it incredibly difficult to believe that a town player would ever consider the existance of a mafia role that controls all three of their kp. On day three, Hassy delivers his first read of the game, a short case against Manason. However, at no point does he actually push his prefered lynch. At the end of the day, he switches his vote to Gambit, stating that he Gambit is a confirmed scum. He states that the scum kp will be reduced, before the actual flip as if it were fact. If he was so confident about gambit, then why is main read Manason? Hassybaby appears to be along for the ride this game and would make a fine lynch candidate today. I will be back later to share my opinion on Wiggles and the remaining players in the game. | ||
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How else would I know this? Because I saved him. Just to be clear, are you supporting the "medic should counter-claim if they exist" plan or the "lynch kita plan"? We need to clear me so no player has an excuse to keep their vote on me today and cause a no-lynch or mislynch. On June 05 2012 13:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Why did you just claim today instead of trying to argue against what people have said against you, or alternatively just push for the lynch of someone you think is scum? One of the things that's making me more reticent about your claim is that you didn't push for anyone else first, and you underplay the value of the medic, which seems weird considering you become more likely to make a save as the game goes on and those saves become more devastating to the mafia. As I said before, I felt I would be unable to argue against this today. The entire cycle yesterday was wasted by me having to defend myself and no one was willing to listen to my response. Keeping my identity safe is important, however, not as important as an entire day's discussion and the threat of a mislynch and night hits. If I'm the clear easy lynch target, then we have two days in a row where players are no required to share their opinion, which is awful for late game. I could have waited until later in the cycle to claim, but with the inactivity displayed by the players yesterday, I had no faith that we would be able to accomplish anything in a 10 hour period. I'll comment on ET and Kenpachi later, but I'd really like to hear from you first. The entire game I feel you have been gauging where the town seems to be going and then showing up later in the cycle to share your opinions. Is there a reason why you aren't the one who is leading the lynch? | ||
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On June 05 2012 15:05 Probulous wrote: Because all that does is out the actual medic. I don't believe Kita's claim for one second. It is way too convenient and doesn't match with his play. He has been scummy scummy scum all game and now that his head is on the chopping block he can wriggle out by claiming the most convenient role yet. It is impossible for myself to wrigggle out of the lynch as scum with my medic claim. The real medic would being able to counter-claim and get me lynched. On June 05 2012 15:05 Probulous wrote: At worst he gets to out our medic, at best he gets off and gets major town credit. It's win, super win if he is scum. If he is town he would have shown something before now. Almost the entire thread has voted for him at some point this game, but suddenly now he is town? You're "at best" scenario doesn't make any sense. They only way I'm getting off with major town cred is if I'm not counter-claimed, which means I'm town. On June 05 2012 15:11 Probulous wrote: Everyone, almost everyobody had him as their number one scum target at some point this game, but a badly crumbed convenient medic claim is suddenly credible? That is a false statement. You are the only player who has actually completed a case against me. The rest have not provided any reasoning. Meapak was unable to come up with a case, VE was unable to come up with a case until it was necessary for his own survival. Bugs took a guess without ever providing reasoning. We have VE crumbing his ability with an upside down question mark, yet my post with my role name, an image of my role, and the word breadcrumb bolded is considered badly crumbed? We don't even need to rely on the crumb, its a confirmable claim. On June 05 2012 15:05 Probulous wrote: I'm fine with looking at other scummy people, we need to anyway, but don't claim until you absolutely have to. Do share. | ||
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On June 05 2012 15:27 Probulous wrote: If we have scum lined up for a lynch, then a 1:1 is better than a 0:1 from their point of view, right? Even better for scum is a 3:0, which is what would happen with my lynch. You still haven't thanked me Meapak. Show some gratitude.  | ||
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 Claiming detective is full of problems. You don't even bother to consider a framer for a second? Out of all the players in this game, who is most likely to be framed night two after pushing a VE lynch? Meapak, bugs, and toad had already been confirmed town. Wigggles was already likely red. Of course I'm the most likely framer target. Furthermore, its possible that you are a lyncher targeting Professor Membrane. It doesnt matter if your claim is made up on the spot if it gets me lynched. How do I know Meapak isn''t a vet if I didn't protect him. As scum, I'm not giving up information that has a 50% chance to invalidate my claim right off the bat. If there exists a medic who protected Meapak night one, claim now. I guarantee you don't exist. If there exists a Professor Membrane in this game, claim now. I guarantee you don't exist. | ||
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On June 05 2012 16:24 Probulous wrote: Who is Prof Membrane? I never watched the show so I don't know what you are talking about? That is my role. I breadcrumbed it on day two, which is 100% clear and it perfectly fits my medic claim. I'm also the father of you and VE. We're such a happy family On June 05 2012 16:24 Probulous wrote: The only possible explanation with you as town would be that you were framed night 2. I doubt that is the case given the rest of your posting. The only people you have pushed as serious lynches are town (VE and Hassy). Did you delibrately exclude my case against Wiggles? On June 05 2012 16:14 EchelonTee wrote: Ah derp on my part. N2 framer is possible, but less likely than N3 frame.I believe probes claim, and.it's quite likely kita is fake claiming, but there is the small possibility that we are about to be totally fucked. I don't understand. I was checked on N2. Answer me this, if the framer exists, which is extremely likely, who is the player most likely to be framed n2? We can eliminate this possibility with following the medic-claim plan. I've taken a list of the remaining players and removed toad, the mason, prob, the claimed dt, meapak (he cannot protect himself), and four random players representing the identities of the scum team. This gives them a pool of seven players that could possibly be medic. With a mafia role cop in play, as many as 3 other players cannot be the medic. This would leave a pool of only four players that could possibly be the medic. With the lynch and two kp at night, their days are limited as it is. In exchange for following the "medic-claim plan", we are able to prevent a mislynch and two night hits at the cost of the medic's identity, which as I have shown above, the mafia already has a good idea where he could be. (In fact, they know exactly where he is :p) Prob, earlier you mentioned your best case worst case scenarios. Here is an accurate representation: Worst-case: The medic gets mislynched, the detective gets shot, Meapak gets shot, and we've nearly thrown the game away. Best-case: There is no-counter claim, I'm confirmed as town, and we save ourselves an entire cycle and three kills. Clearly the identity of the medic is worth the exchange of an entire cycle. Let me ask one question to the thread, if you could pick one target to be framed as scum on n2, who would you choose? I think its more than obvious. I've presented a plan that confirms my alignment, don't throw this away. This is so frusturating -_- | ||
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If we lynch a secondary scum suspect other than myself today, I can prove to the thread that both Prob and an additional townie cannot die while I live. It's possible that the mafia team will double stack prob and then push my lynch the following cycle, but that opens up the risk of a watcher or tracker, which is potentially game ending for them. | ||
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On June 05 2012 16:37 kitaman27 wrote: With the roleblocker dead, its likely that the scum team cannot stop my save. Therefore, if I protect prob, it takes both of their kp to take him out. If we lynch a secondary scum suspect other than myself today, I can prove to the thread that both Prob and an additional townie cannot die while I live. It's possible that the mafia team will double stack prob and then push my lynch the following cycle, but that opens up the risk of a watcher or tracker, which is potentially game ending for them. Furthermore, it puts the mafia team in a situation where they have to decide between double stacking the dt, while allowing players who are confirmed town, such as toad or Meapak (or hassybaby?), to survive to late game, or shooting the confirmed town players, while risking additional dt checks. It's a lose-lose for them. | ||
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Additionally, if I was scum, why would I claim hours into the cycle? I would wait until moments before the lynch, similar to my fake tracker claim in LotR mafia, to shut down discussion for the entire cycle and take advantage of the confusion to live another day. As scum, the fake claim would seal my fate. I'm 100% going to be counter-claimed if there is another medic. Why would I seal my own fate without waiting out the cycle, pushing a mislynch, and determining if the claim was really necessary to save my life. There was a four hour period between the medic claim and the dt claim, where the true medic could claim. During this time, I'm pretty sure nearly every player has had a chance to read the thread. They had an opportunity to confirm themselves town and confirm me as scum. No player counter-claimed. That is because I am the true medic. I fail to see how a n2 frame is unlikely. If a framer exists, I'm almost certainly the frame target. I'm likely to be checked by detectives and I just finished pushing a mislynch. The medic-claim plan confirms my alignment. Please don't throw this game away | ||
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The following players are alive: + Show Spoiler + 3. Hassybaby 6. Hyaach 7. marvellosity 10. austinmcc 12. MajuGarzett 13. Probulous 14. Toadesstern 18. papapanda 22. Mr. Wiggles 24. Manason 26. EchelonTee 27. kitaman27 29. Meapak_Ziphh 30. Kenpachi I have now removed the players who have claimed roles other than medic: + Show Spoiler + 3. Hassybaby 6. Hyaach 7. marvellosity 10. austinmcc 12. MajuGarzett 18. papapanda 22. Mr. Wiggles 24. Manason 26. EchelonTee 27. kitaman27 29. Meapak_Ziphh 30. Kenpachi A player who supports the "medic-claim" plan is clearly not the medic: + Show Spoiler + 3. Hassybaby 12. MajuGarzett 18. papapanda 24. Manason 27. kitaman27 30. Kenpachi Finally, the mafia team is clearly not the medic. That would remove as many as four players from the last. While the exact number is unclear, I will remove three players from the list. + Show Spoiler + 3. Hassybaby 12. MajuGarzett 18. papapanda If the mafia has a rolecop, it is extremely likely that they already know the identity of the medic, as 1-2 additional players may be removed from the list. If they do not have a rolecop, then the identity of the medic has already been narrowed down to a pool 3-4 players. If the scum team is medic hunting, the medic has 1-2 nights left to live anyway. Therefore, there is very little risk in followin the medic-claim plan, which allows us to avoid the huge risk of a mislynch and two night hits. Thoughts on the remaining players will come in a bit. | ||
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On June 06 2012 05:17 Toadesstern wrote: no need right now. Lynch kita and we're fine Posts like these add nothing to the thread. The mafia team are sitting back and laughing as the dt(?) and mason are pushing the mislynch on the medic. I already explained how the medic-claim is optimal. No medic has claimed and therefore I'm town. Even so, why am I the only player to have delivered an analysis today? You guys do realize that in addition to deciding whether or not I'm scum, we still need to come up with an alternate candidate. Waiting until tomorrow does not leave us enough time to gain a majority. Post from me incoming shortly. | ||
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6. Hyaach 7. marvellosity 10. austinmcc 12. MajuGarzett 18. papapanda 22. Mr. Wiggles 24. Manason 26. EchelonTee 30. Kenpachi I have read throug each player's filter and removed the players I have some degree of town read on. austinmcc has shown signs that he cares about town and has shown motivation to scum hunt, he has defended zealos in order to push a gambit lynch. It seems unlikely that a mafia player will defend a scumbuddy, while pushing another scumbuddy. Finally, his silly conspiracy theory about a toad, meapak, kita scum group seems town to me. marvellosity shows signs of frustration with inactivity and looks good after pushing the zealos lynch. In addition, he is the only player to have a back and forth conversation with zealos. His recent play has been less convincing, but I'm willing to put him off for later. 6. Hyaach 12. MajuGarzett 18. papapanda 22. Mr. Wiggles 24. Manason 26. EchelonTee 30. Kenpachi I'm strongly considering pusing Kenpachi for the following post: On May 30 2012 11:03 Kenpachi wrote: shall we roll the metagame die? I firmly believe 2-3 of the mafia team is made of Mafia veterans namely Wiggles Kitaman and even myself. I personally believe Wiggles is mafia cause he should have known better than to lynch Sinensis for day 1. poor as hell of a choice honestly. So you might be asking why am i doing this? simple: im fucking good at doing this. after i pulled this shit off months ago, i noticed a trend in a lack of balanced mafia teams but i was able to point out players such as BloodyC0bbler with this method. but i figure, why the hell not try this again since im pretty sure hosts started going back to their balancing ways. Look at this list carefully. They can all be potent mafia or town players. likely 2 or 3 are mafia. Why? If i was a host, id sure be unhappy if my entire team was 6 grushes. 2. Blazinghand 7. marvellosity 14. Toadesstern 15. Supersoft 21. Wherebugsgo 22. Mr. Wiggles 26. EchelonTee 27. kitaman27 28. VisceraEyes 29. Meapak_Ziphh 30. Kenpachi well thats it. i havent actually read anyone's post on this list lawl It seems pretty clear that the mafia team has a limited number of players with 20+ games experience based on the flips and identities of confirmed power roles. Pushing this sort of policy as a member of a mafia team of players such as gambit and zealos allow the vets to be at each others throats, while the quieter players sneak by. On May 30 2012 10:30 Kenpachi wrote: did i start the Zealos wagon? im gonna read his filter and give my thoughts. On May 30 2012 10:34 Kenpachi wrote: wait who added onto my Zealos analysis? Furthermore, Kenpachi wants to remind us that he found zealous scummy, without actually pushing a zealos lynch. The last two cycles he has done nothing but taunt me about my lynch, with no consideration that I could be town. He is always a tough read, but he is not a player I want around for endgame. Wiggles I still feel is a good lynch. As I look through his posts, I really strugle to find town tells that show that he has the towns best interest in mind. Every single cycle he has taken a backseat role, only taken the time to comment about irrelevant information, lacking in true contribution. I would like to do a follow-up post to my previous analysis of wiggles, but this took too much time. Please everyone respond to this post. The day is nearly half way over and we have gone absolutely nowhere. Does nobody care about this game? | ||
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As for a mafia Meapak, it seems very unlikely we have a serial killer due to the number of kp each night. The only scenario I can see is if scum double stacked someone and I stopped an assassin kp on meapak (unlikely) or I saved a traitor Meapak from a mafia kp (unfortunate, but not worth considering at this point). Manason, I think a role claim might be appropriate. Also, could you explain why you chose to ignore my question earlier regarding your experience playing mafia? I think it is relavent considering your account was created only days before the game started. I'm still thinking Wiggles might be the best way to go. A lot of push back for a player who has been practically afk. | ||
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On June 07 2012 01:29 kitaman27 wrote: And who is your new lynch preference now that you have unvoted me and why? Opps ninja'd. What about Toad's opinion of Maju makes sense to you? | ||
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Manason, in addition to sharing what you like about Toad's opinion on Maju, could you also share your thoughts on Wiggles? | ||
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On June 07 2012 06:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote: So is it just that no one is here, or do people just not want to switch their votes? Is no one going to address that Manason reads and feels more like a clueless new player than scum? Remember my vote counts double, so we only need 6 other people to vote maju. Manason is 1. With MZ and Toad, that's 3. So, only 3 others need to switch to kill Maju. Why does it take you 45 hours to post a case and then expect a consensus 3 hours before the deadline? -_- Doing a quick reread and then will be voting. | ||
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I love you toad. | ||
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On June 07 2012 07:51 Toadesstern wrote: don't know if that's irony and I'm stupid again or not 8( -_- | ||
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On June 07 2012 09:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Tomorrow we should kill either ET or Wiggles. Barring probulous nailing a scum I will be working tirelessly towards this goal. Finally. | ||
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On June 07 2012 12:38 Kenpachi wrote: fuck this im not helping this town On June 07 2012 12:38 Kenpachi wrote: you guys are all stupid as fuck im sorry go die Give the Oscar to Kenpachi right now. | ||
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On December 01 2011 13:47 Kenpachi wrote: w/e you guys are all bad. i refuse to help such a hopeless town | ||
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On June 07 2012 20:41 Hyaach wrote: He questions a lot in the beginning but at the wrong targets about the wrong people. All turned out town You have knowledge that Wiggles and Kenpachi are is town? VE is really the only person I have pushed as my primary lynch target who has flipped. On June 07 2012 20:41 Hyaach wrote: After VE flipped town, post to say his main target is Zealos? Why? to shrink responsbility from the VE flip and onto a mate whom you can bus? I'm such a genious, I'm going to bus my scumbuddy after they flip! One of my better plans I have to say. Or maybe I was joking. While we're at it, we should probably take a good look at GreYMisT for this one: On March 22 2012 01:20 GreYMisT wrote: Guys I say we lynch Wherebugsgo, just to be certain. On June 07 2012 20:41 Hyaach wrote: All game his been trying to buddy up to MZ. Why? gain town cred from the toad-mz mason? Do you suggest that I should make the player who I protected night one my enemy? Fine. You suck Meapak. Die die die. Furthermore, we clearly followed the "medic-claim" plan yesterday. It seems to be you either do not understand the plan or refuse to accept the result of following the plan. I saved Meapak night one. I claimed medic. If another medic exists in the game, then they would counter-claim to ensure I was lynched. No medic counter-claimed. Therefore, I am the medic. | ||
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On June 08 2012 02:16 Kenpachi wrote: shoot kita. town is too stupid to lynch him i believe. I know you probably won't respond, but just so I can understand your frame of thought, where is the fault in logic? You believe the medic exists, but isn't claiming or do you believe Meapak is my scum buddy and we can up with an elaborate plan day one? On June 08 2012 02:15 kitaman27 wrote: I saved Meapak night one. I claimed medic. If another medic exists in the game, then they would counter-claim to ensure I was lynched. No medic counter-claimed. Therefore, I am the medic. | ||
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On June 17 2012 11:14 Probulous wrote: GGGGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Marv  I hate you guys To Kita and super  For those unaware, I am now officially, 0 for 6. It will come, and when it does, it will be glorious. Has anyone ever checked the framer target and the godfather in the same game? This might be a first! :p LSB 2.0! | ||
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On June 19 2012 08:05 Probulous wrote: General question to the thread. How to deal with this as town? I mean if scum are bussing the shit out themselves, how do you pick that up? I had Marv as "confirmed" town because he was being logical, consistent and finding scum. He was my strongest town read at end game and he turned out to be mafia. Yes Marv played well, but how do we counteract a scum bussing their entire team? Generally by noticing a player who has found the entire scum team is still alive by endgame. | ||
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On June 19 2012 08:16 Probulous wrote: Hmmm, that is going to be difficult to argue. Alternatively, you look at the way the buses took place and try to determine if he has knowledge that the people he is pushing are scum. Most of the time, busing your entire team puts you way too far behind to have a chance late game, however, in this game there were enough mislynches that he stood a decent chance. | ||
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On June 19 2012 08:35 Probulous wrote: I fail to see how that is a convincing argument. It seems like a free kill for mafia. Step 1: Bus entire team but play a little scummy Step 2: Keep one obvious townie alive till end game Step 3: Call him out for not dying Step 4: Profit? Is end game a time when being rational is no longer a reasonable position to take? As in why assume the biggest townie around is actually scum bussing his whole team, over scum chose their shots for reasons we cannot know? I'm failing hard here >< In most games if you're busing the entire game, its going to be 12v1 at step three and its going to take more than free kill to win. Even worse, in third party setups, you get shot for looking incredibly townie and don't even have a chance to turn anything into profit. Just remember its always the correct decision to lynch a Radfield who has not been shot by night two. | ||
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On June 19 2012 10:12 jaj22 wrote: And yeah, I made the same mistake on Kitaman. I should have figured that he had a terrible weakness against newbie lurkers  hahaha I was just about to post how much trouble I have seperating townie inactives and mafia lurkers, refreshed the thread, and saw this :p Someone wanna explain what they look for? | ||
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On June 19 2012 11:27 wherebugsgo wrote: I haven't seen anyone truly abuse the ability to blend in as dumb town Challenge accepted! | ||
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