EPTOn June 01 2012 06:44 marvellosity wrote:
what do you find valid in particular? what makes YOU think he's scum?
what do you find valid in particular? what makes YOU think he's scum?
Don't you know how hard it is to answer this question as scum
TL Mafia LV - Page 95
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
Don't you know how hard it is to answer this question as scum | ||
|
marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On June 01 2012 06:46 Mattchew wrote: Don't you know how hard it is to answer this question as scum the problem is almost no-one seems to be able to answer it | ||
|
Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
Bugs' cavalier vote is bothering me as well, as is MZ's zealous tunneling. But it'd be stupid to NOT lynch VE..... | ||
|
Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
| ||
|
marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On June 01 2012 06:54 Hassybaby wrote: My main reasoning is that this is exactly how VE played in LI. But there are doubts, because basically no one else has agreed with me. Hell the only one I see who agrees with that point is Toad. Bugs' cavalier vote is bothering me as well, as is MZ's zealous tunneling. But it'd be stupid to NOT lynch VE..... As opposed to MTM or LIII where he was also lynched after claiming blue you mean? Why are you more convinced by LI than these? Why would it be stupid not to lynch him? | ||
|
marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
| ||
|
Ange777
Germany1164 Posts
| ||
|
EchelonTee
United States5241 Posts
On June 01 2012 04:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Why don't you comment on my Kita case MZ? I'm sure I'm not the only one who would value your opinion on it. I did, your kita case is bad and I said why in detail. On June 01 2012 04:14 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: Oh I just realized that literally nobody actually bothered to read my second part closely. I posted part 1 in a spoiler but accidentally posted part 2 again... and nobody has pointed that out lolol. Please read things closer. I mentioned that the 2nd part was double posted subtly, when I posted links. I'm reading. On June 01 2012 04:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm at the mercy of town at this point, if you want to direct my shot I will absolutely comply. But, take that for what it's worth...the word of a man on the block. I have nothing to gain from lying to you, because as it stands I'm going to die anyway. If I were scum and lying, it will be obvious tomorrow after the night actions. And here's something to factor in. Scum don't know if I'm scum or SK any more than town does...so chances are, I'm going to eat a bullet. Know why? Cause I'm beast-mode SK. Ask fucking anyone. SK is bulletproof. I'm not sure why you bring up SK at this point; you should be tryign to prove your town/vig, but I spose it's too late or w.e. On June 01 2012 05:11 grush57 wrote: Argh stop spam it has been 20 pages since I went to bed and my eyes hurt for reading. Get VE, my eyes won't hurt as much. If he is town Wiggles will be godfather. If mafia, one mafia down and Wiggles is a betrayer godfather. I believe in you MZ! (Even though my starsenses disagree, I have to) ##Vote: VisceraEyes This is a weird post. How are you suggesting that Wiggles is godfather? On June 01 2012 06:13 marvellosity wrote: I fucking detest this 'let's get it over with' sentiment that both wbg and Toad have expressed on this page. It makes my blood curdle. I'm merrily sitting on the fence whether VE is town or scum. In the past I've voted to lynch him twice, and he was town, and in LI I didn't vote to lynch him, and he was scum. There's things I don't like about VE - the Zealos issue, and his meta case on kita, but there is waaaaaaaay too much stuff being read as a narrative. Almost anyone's filter can be made to read scummily if you want it to, but everything he says is being fit to this narrative without looking at the alternative. There's really too much "oh, might as well". Does everyone voting VE genuinely believe he's scum? Obviously this isn't aimed at kita/MZ/Toad, but the rest of you. Is he the best chance of flipping scum for today or are you being led by vocal people? I think he's scum based a lot off of MZ's case; his fixation on the lyncher role (and being against Toad despite the fact that he had 0 chance of being scum), and his continous flipfloppiness and lack of focus. I'll admit that I was against toad being elected simply because I don't like him having power (<3), but I articulated that it was very unlikely that Toad was scum, while VE tried to cast suspicion on him, even after the night actions and he had become masoned. VE claims to be intent on scumhunting, but for the most part hasn't made any big cases on his own other than the kita case, which is bad. all of his other targets originated from other sources, such as Zealos, G32. I might be mistaken (perhaps he did start a few small cases?), but for the most part, VE is playing very loose and unfocused, which you could argue is a lot like his town play, but he feels a lot more like TL LI VE atm. Shit up the thread, have little focus, try and make a ballooned up case when the going gets tough. Seriously, the case kita is quite bad. On June 01 2012 06:19 papapanda wrote: Not in particular, I want him to vote for someone who he thinks is scum from his list of read. And he voted kita so nevermind i guess, just saying that voting for someone who you don't think is scum doesn't make much sense. scum On June 01 2012 06:39 jaj22 wrote: Tactically speaking, people who don't want to lynch VE should be putting their votes on Zealos unless they'd rather have a no-lynch. The case against Kitaman is weak and he's another veteran-lynch: People are likely to think in terms of the best veteran-lynch vs the best lurker-lynch. And yeah, I'm having doubts myself about VE. A lot of his filter looks quite town, even if it's spammy unfocused town. And we'll have to start killing lurkers sometime. If we can't confirm VE one way or another on day 3 it's going to be horrible though. looking bad depending on the flip | ||
|
EchelonTee
United States5241 Posts
On June 01 2012 06:57 Ange777 wrote: I am on page 86 ... and VE you really don't look good. We still have one hour till deadline right? yep, 1 hour. get your votes in folks. | ||
|
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On May 31 2012 13:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: The problem with VE part 2 (every good story has a sequel, for those who are concerned; this sequel will be like Empire to the original star wars rather than every other sequel out there). Just after part 1 ended, VE went into 1 liner overdrive. He asked a lot of random questions of people, asking questions is not scummy in a vacuum but with all else that’s gone on it instead looks like he’s just feigning activity with fluff. It LOOKS LIKE I'm just feigning activity with "fluff". Okay, well, this point is invalid without examples of my fluffy feigned activity. The fact of the matter is that I was scumhunting and trying to get people to comment on others in an attempt to build a baseline for scumhunting later. It's called scumhunting, and it's not fluff. Also I’m almost certain this is a lie: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:05 VisceraEyes wrote: Nah Forumite was likely double-stacked if I had to guess, so we're looking at ONE missing KP. And if I had to guess, I'd say it was at me because I was roleblocked overnight. Current scum-meta is roleblock/kill to hide the roleblock. I bet I took a hit and some loverly medic thinks I'm the stuff. ^^ Is there a flimsier claim to make? This one is so east for scum to fake it’s laughable. Also look at the language, VE didn’t take a hit but he’s just out there spouting shit to clog up the thread. Okay, well here's the thing: the fact that it's easy to make as scum does not make it a fake claim. Sorry, but that's just not the case. If you have some kind of reason to believe that it's a fake RB claim now is the time, but you don't give any reasoning other than "Easy to make" and "Look at the language" without saying WHY the language is indicative of me being scum lying about the claim. So for the lynch today VE wants to kill kita and zealos: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:15 VisceraEyes wrote: There you have it. Nice work Matt. Forumite had me fooled, though I guess since his target was scum that was going to be EZPZ to do. I was afraid of the assassin/lyncher needing to target scum, that was going to make finding them exceedingly hard since they could just scumhunt like normal. Thank God scum took care of it for us. ^^ Now, who's the lynch today? I'm liking a lynch inside of (Zealos, supersoft, Kitaman) presently. What does everyone else think? Again, these are easy targets and it will cost VE no skin off his back to call for their deaths. Easy Targets? supersoft maybe, Zealos though, do you not think Zealos is scummy? Really? And Kitaman is an easy target? Honestly? Because it seems to me like Kitaman is about the HARDEST target to lynch today outside of "confirmed"* town Toad. This is MZ trying to take my initiating discussion about the lynch and twisting it into something scummy. This whole case is ridden with stuff like this. So everyone knows where we are at the time this post was made, toad had just announced he had masoned me: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 08:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, cool...Toad town... ......but why? Why would scum leave a soon-to-be-confirmed-town alive? Despite now being confirmed, VE is STILL casting doubt on him. If you don’t understand then I’ll explain. VE is “begging the question” he’s posed something that sounds ridiculous, so ridiculous in fact that there must be some odd reason why it can’t be true, in this case the unspoken reason is that toad is scum. So even after toad is confirmed, VE is still trying to discredit him. The key with good sequels is to not wreck the formula that made the original a success. VE buys into this concept because here we have another post of him defending S&B: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 11:41 VisceraEyes wrote: I've pointed out my misgivings with the trap. On his posting, he seems genuinely interested in finding suspicious activity. For instance, yesterday when people were discussing who to lynch, rather than take the easy route of just pushing Sinensis (the other person Wiggles had said he'd lynch into) he pushed supersoft...someone who no one was really looking at and who he found suspicious. At this point, without a case pointing out what's scummy and why from someone who honestly is convinced he's scum, I can't really get behind an SnB lynch. Seriously VE, wtf is up with you and S&B? You’ve used that exact phrase multiple times now about S&B. Now I know scum don’t like to interact in the thread with each other, but with the amount of times VE has flip flopped around I find it highly likely that he’s also forgotten how many times he’s defended S&B. With his inability to be consistent on his accusations of toad it stands to reason that he’s slipping up in other places too. Consider this an official FoS of S&B (and I might analyze him tonight if I feel like it). This just in, VE admits to lynching for expediency: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 12:26 VisceraEyes wrote: He's on the radar, but I don't know if there's enough support for his lynch yet. As you say, no one is really mentioning him and aside from a few people thinking his play is "odd" it doesn't seem like many people find him suspicious. I'm trying to get a GOOD lynch to happen, not MY lynch. MY lynch would be Kita. So many things wrong with this. Why is your lynch not a “good lynch” VE? If your lynch isn’t good then why isn’t it your lynch? This is just scummy, pure scummy. By saying this, I was implying that my lynch wasn't happening and from the lynches possible I wanted to pick the best one. My lynch IS a good lynch, but based on the responses I got overnight, pushing Kita right out of the gates on D2 seemed hasty, especially considering I couldn't make a cohesive case BASED ON WHAT'S IN THE THREAD. So I was trying to find a lynch that I could call a GOOD lynch from the lynches I perceived as possible, and this IS NOT SCUMMY. This is just what I was doing because that's what I saw as the best move. And now this:+ Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 16:18 VisceraEyes wrote: MZ this is about not voting Kita isn't it? It is isn't it? ##Vote: Kitaman27 Would you believe me if I told you I wanted to see you vote him first to see if you were serious last night when we had our little archon moment? Because....that's what's going on here. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE LAST POST WHERE YOU JUST SAID YOU WEREN’T… I’m not making this up kids -_-. Let’s remember this next post because VE’s gonna contradict it in a little bit: + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 17:12 VisceraEyes wrote: GOD DAMNIT There's no case to be made. My read is based on gut based on his responses and his fixation with the Lyncher. ##Unvote Keep talkin though Kita, preferably about someone other than me. Not that I mind the attention, but I'm town and I want to lynch scum today. So what do you do after your last unfounded vote failed? VE logic says make another one:+ Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 17:26 VisceraEyes wrote: I can't look at this thread a second longer tonight, so I'm going to bed. ##Vote: Gambit Because 2 posts isn't enough. Skirting activity requirements is a crime against town. Much of what Zealos and supersoft have said I disagree with, but there's no denying that simply not posting is anti-town. Also I mourn for the Archon...he had only just begun to live. ![[image loading]](http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/1656708684/sad_zealot.png) Again, you just can’t make this stuff up. We’ve had maybe two mentions of gambit in VE’s filter where he’s queried bugs about him. In fact you know what, we should have a quick looksy at those posts. Like what ever happened to this post? + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2012 09:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Whoa there buddy, we don't lynch lurkers here...we shoot scummy lurkers with holy bullets of townie fury....not hang them. How about we lynch someone who's posting so we can get information with our lynch? Ya? No? I like your target other than the fact that his lynch will net us no new information. I just can’t make this up -_- Also this post here: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 02:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Dude Hassy is playing this game? wtf? Can we just go on a lurker spree? Seriously though, there are a lot of active players in here and if all of us are town we might rip ourselves apart while scum lurk. Is the heat getting to your team VE? If it is you know what to do, just throw in a pinch of fear mongering and direct people away… would have been better if you hadn’t previously completely said the opposite of this. Remember what I was saying earlier about continuing to cast doubt on toad? Here’s some more: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 03:30 VisceraEyes wrote: He can't be third party because MZ confirmed him. He is either a mason or both he and MZ are scum. Which is the theory you prefer? Not much to add there. You can continue to ignore the fact that maybe my stance on lurkers changed after I saw what a problem they were CONTINUING TO BE, EVEN AFTER REPLACEMENTS. I mean, fuck MZ, you're just not giving me ANY breaks, are you? You're not even TRYING to see a townie motivation at all, you've just made up your mind that I'm scum and are giving the story as though I were scum. GUESS WHAT I'M TOWN SURPRISE!!! VE you actually can’t respond to my case because it’s almost airtight: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote: MZ like Kitaman, your case is misinterpretation of my actions and exaggerating the importance of me not wanting Toad in office. Please do better sir. Please. If this is the halfway point, the other half better be REAL good bro. But nice job trying to make it irrelevant by calling it the same as kita’s. For anyone who can read (not too many people in this thread apparently) there are lots and lots and lots of things I mention that kita doesn’t. For those who remember my original case I’ve got a real treat for you: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 07:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Here's the thing guys: regardless of the fact that Toad promised to not use his power, according to my thought process he was possibly going to be in contact with scum after N1 who would have the power then to attempt to manipulate him into USING whatever power we elected Toad to have. Removing the fact that he promised not to use it (which like, what's a promise in Mafia anyway?) I didn't think the risk of having someone who by my estimation CAN be manipulated (no offense Toad, but I've played with you) in PMs holding the power over a lynch that I voted for was worth the "reward" of having "confirmed" * non-scum in office when we had obviously pro-town choices on the ballot. I'm sorry, I just didn't. I don't think that's anti-town at all, I think that's having an opinion on the only thing I have any kind of control over, the lynch/election. Remember all the different reasons why VE said we shouldn’t elect toad? I’m pretty sure this is version 3. He now has no choice to admit that toad is a mason (if ya’ll remember his original attack was that toad was lying) but he’s still fallen back on the “toad could be manipulated” line. He also doesn’t realize just how scummy it is to not vote for someone who you called town… although in his defense he later contradicted that… and then recontradicted it again. Here's the lie that's being forced on town right now: that me not voting for Toad was scummy. None of you voted for Toad, are any of you scummy? No, because it was all brought on by the EVIL MUDSLINGING VE right? Except here's my thoughtprocess on the thing: if it's impossible for scum to claim Mason (because a scumbuddy would have to out themselves) then....why don't more scum do it? Seriously, if the generally accepted axiom is "scum don't do that" then.............why wouldn't scum do that? I get that having a confirmed town in office would be cool and everything, but seriously guys, me having a preference about who to elect IS NOT SCUMMY! NO AMOUNT OF MZ SCREAMING ABOUT IT MAKES IT SO This next post had me laughing so I decided to share it with you all: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 07:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Bugs I want your thoughts on this post, the bolded in particular. Here are mine. There's a cognitive disconnect between the "Toad seems to be very town" and "provided he can prove it using his 'mason' powers." The first part seems to indicate that he thinks Toad is town based on how he's posting ("looks very town"), while the second part seems to indicate that he does NOT think that Toad looks town and requires the proof of Toad's mason-target claim would provide ("provided he can prove it using his mason powers"). What do you think? Does VE not get that scum try to play townie like? I mean given his performance this game I can understand where he may be confused about the whole “try and look townie” but it’s perfectly reasonable for someone to consider someone else to be playing in a town manner but still have reservations due to their role claim. Once again VE is trying to manufacture suspicions with little subtle jabs. Also gotta get in dat buddy buddy wit bugs. OHHHH SNAP SON DAT FLIP FLOP: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 08:29 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote: Gambit ##Vote: Zealos No I can get down on this lynch. I think they're both scum at this point, and I think this is the motivation behind this VE push. VE is just grasping at straws now. He thinks they’re both scum because I called him scum? Ok…not sure how that works but w/e. He naturally gives no reasons for either of them being scum other than the previous BS one. Honestly this post is just so terrible I don’t have much else to say. Yo dawg chill out: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 08:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Anyone who is complaining about the timing of my votes (as in, I've said Zealos is suspicious yet never changed to him) should take a look at Kitaman and MZ who have both said I'm pretty much obviously scum at this point and haven't voted for me at all. Like, that's one of MZ's points against me - that I didn't follow up on my suspicion of Kita early D2...but he's got this "rock solid" (lol) case against me that's "enough to lynch on its own merit", so where's his vote on me? Or Kita's for that matter? "lol plenty of time" right? But that's a problem they have with me man! They don't like that I didn't vote for Kita when I think he's suspicious/haven't been pushing him/etc...but I've had PLENTY of posts explaining what I find suspicious about Kita's behavior...much like the posts that MZ and Kita have posted re: me which they'll surely quantify as their excuse for not voting for me. Once I posted my analysis I started running to class, my next couple of posts were from my phone. I didn’t get a chance to vote. It’s not rocket science. The fact that he brought it up is just mental. Somehow my case loses merit because I didn’t immediately vote for it? The fact that I didn’t vote right away doesn’t change the fact that you’re scum. Oh and btw, with a post as massive as my previous one there’s really no way I can distance myself from it, hence to reason for me to not vote for it. And don’t worry, I’ll be voting you as soon as I post this. Hey guys I propose we call flip flop pulling a VE: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 09:46 VisceraEyes wrote: I support a lynch of Hyaach....in fact, I agree that his flip will be more telling of important parties based on what I'm seeing in your case, so hell yeah. Everyone in town should read Probulous' case because it's actually good. Something to note Probulous is the fact that Kitaman promised to take a closer look at Hyaach specifically BECAUSE he chose him as his random candidate. I wonder what the fruits of those observations has been. ##Unvote: Zealos ##Vote: Hyaach Honestly I don’t feel like I should have to say anything else for this post. VE is flailing. Flailing? K.... Holy balls you’re desperate: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 12:35 VisceraEyes wrote: I have balls Bugs...they're huge. The thing is this: it's almost a whole day from the lynch as opposed to the lynch being today as I thought it was. There's plenty of time for consolidation, and I intend to consolidate when the time comes. Why is my willingness to lynch scummy lurkers more suspicious than MZ and Kita's lack of vote Bugs? Can you answer me that? Talk about a manufactured issue lol. Weeee we’re back to kita again: + Show Spoiler + On May 31 2012 13:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Dear Town: What's strange is how many people are actually suspicious of Kitaman, yet how unwilling to lynch him we all are. Doesn't anyone else find that....strange? *sigh* Can we please just lynch Kitaman? That's my most favoritest lynch and gosh, I think we have enough people to make it happen. Pretty please? Sincerely, VE PS: I'm really going to try and make a case. He's a threat. <3 I really have nothing else to say. If this town can’t figure this out then I’m gonna lose all faith in humanity. | ||
|
jaj22
United Kingdom1376 Posts
On June 01 2012 06:41 marvellosity wrote: I just don't understand the mentality of those who aren't sure, but they go for it anyway even though it could mean lynching a veteran scumhunter vigilante The veteran scumhunter bit doesn't do much for me, given VE's recent performances and what he's done in this game. If anything, the drop in spam should lead to an increase in thread quality. Personally I don't have any trouble keeping up with the thread and so I'd rather get rid of some lurkers, but there are a lot of players already using the page count as an excuse, and they have a point. The vigilante bit is weak because his claim is bad and VE absolutely would claim blue as scum. As scum, he wriggles hard on the hook. There's also the probability point that the roleblocker "just happened" to pick him out. Does VE look blue to you this game? Sure, we lose more if he's town, but if anything, the claim lessens the chance that he's town. It's also tough to prove, so there's the danger that we end up in the same position tomorrow. | ||
|
marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
| ||
|
papapanda
Taiwan326 Posts
VE's vote-jumping I dislike. VE's responses are inappropriate as a town. Marv, May I ask you what part of the case you find invalid? | ||
|
GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
Day 2 Vote Count VisceraEyes - (14) kitaman27 Meapak_Ziphh EchelonTee Blazinghand MajuGarzett Manason Toadesstern austinmcc strongandbig sToFu Mr. Wiggles Hassybaby jaj22 papapanda Zealos - (3) marvellosity supersoft Hyaach GambitX32 - (1) Ange777 Kitaman - (2) VisceraEyes grush57 papapanda - (1) Kenpachi Hyaach - (1) Probulous Toadesstern - (0) Strongandbig - (1) Mattchew Haven't voted - (4) Zealos phagga Cwave GambitX32 | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
The case against VE is based primarily on the following
His claim has no effect on his alignment because we cannot prove it. The assumption that we have a watcher is stupid because as has been pointed out, the only way that works is if we out the watcher. If the watcher is useful they would be following VE who might actually shoot someone in which case we lose two blues for a red. It's a dumb plan and is based on assumptions we can't make. What do we do if VE claims roleblock tomorrow and there is no watcher? No we have to make up our minds based on his posting. The MZ case has holes which I have alluded to especially around discrediting Toad. MZ's logic has gone from VE wanting Toad dead to now creating "subtle" doubt about him. It makes no sense and is a large part of both of MZ case. I don't buy it. Next, note that the people who are hesitant about this lynch seem pretty townie to me. I like Mattchew, I don't see why scum would pull the stunt he did. I like austin, he is making sense. I am town. WBG had doubts, ET had doubts. These are townie responses to a case that doesn't explain WHY VE would act the way he did if he was scum. It is easy to point out stuff that looks scummy, but much harder to explain why scum would do that. Note how Kita has dissapeared and let others do his bidding. Remember he was the one that started this whole thing with his base case on VE. I don't like this wagon, there is no coutner push, no other option, nothing. It is simply the loudest players bullying through their choice of target. Finally, yes VE looks desperate but he giving us everything we ask for. He reads as desperately town to me and I will stand by that. I will not be voting for him today. Supersoft, what is deal? You hardly post anything and then when you do it is a stupid plan that is bound to fail. Wiggles, get your fat ass in here because as mayor you should have a spine. MZ, get your head out of your ass and think for a second about what VE would do if he was town. Right now Kita is the best choice of lynch. He started this VE train and has gently nudged it along letting others do the dirty work. I can deal with a Zealos lynch if it means VE survives. People think for yourselves in this matter, there is no reason for town to bully through a lynch like this, especially when we lost third party last night. For once we have a little leeway and can actually question, instead MZ is acting like a bull in china shop and that helps no-one. | ||
|
Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
| ||
|
austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On June 01 2012 06:38 marvellosity wrote: Alright, you tell me - what are the things that make YOU think VE is scum? Very well. The number one thing - Even though he says he shot at Zealos N1, he's been all over the place D2. Town VE might swap votes and change his mind, but he was confident enough to fire at Zealos and then hasn't stuck with him hard all day today. Of course we've got new posts/information, but I don't like the movement. When your claim starts with you shooting at one of the current lynch options, then moves to a case on kita, then making the smart play and offering to fire and die tomorrow, it doesn't look good. Not a meta-reason, not "oh it's a bad breadcrumb." Maybe it's a mislynch. Again, we've spawned something here that we've got to deal with or it's going to mess with N2 and D3. Removing that distraction, when VE seems scummy, is worth the mislynch to me. | ||
|
marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On June 01 2012 07:12 papapanda wrote: VE has been contradicting himself through the game. The thing about playing completely different playstyle, day-game and night-game, is just bullocks. VE's vote-jumping I dislike. VE's responses are inappropriate as a town. Marv, May I ask you what part of the case you find invalid? I think MZ has created a narrative and fit posts to it. VE is as per usual all over the place but I don't currently see the scum agenda that MZ claims is obviously there. There are even contradictions in things other people have said. Some people have said he was too nice and cooperative, while others have said he's shitting up the thread. The claim is a null. I can't find anything that convinces me VE should be scum rather than town. For reference, I went back and read Radfield's case on VE in WoF. The real 'a-ha!' moment in that case was where he picked up VE on his feigned surprise that MrZentor didn't get night-killed. There has been no tipping moment like that for me here. | ||
|
VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
The fact that Zealos didn't die gave me time to reevaluate my read on him, and I took it as such. I'm not trying to tunnel blindly, I'm trying to find THE BEST LYNCH with THE HIGHEST PROBABILITY OF HITTING SCUM. | ||
|
kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On June 01 2012 07:13 Probulous wrote: Note how Kita has dissapeared and let others do his bidding. Remember he was the one that started this whole thing with his base case on VE. I don't like this wagon, there is no coutner push, no other option, nothing. It is simply the loudest players bullying through their choice of target. I was the first person to bring up a case against him. How is that letting others do my bidding? Spending time convincing VE that he is scum isn't going to solve anything. I haven't disappeared. If you'd like a long list of individuals who have disappeared, I'd be more than happy to direct you their way. | ||
| ||
