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Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
May 22 2012 14:48 GMT
#1261
Okay 1 last post before I head to the airport.


+ Show Spoiler [Snarfs] +
On May 22 2012 14:20 Snarfs wrote:
Qatol, with regards to your case on hiro, I actually came to many of the same conclusions separately from that post and it was good to see many of my own ideas in your head as well. Especially with regards to not providing a single reason for lynching Sentinel, while at the same time not really arguing against Sentinel's lynch. Not once, until after Sentinel had died, did he say that he thought no scum would do what he did.

However, I think the problem I had with putting him at the top of my scum list though was this line here:
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I think we should lynch PacMan next, or if any vig prefers, shoot him tonight. nvm, we still dont know if there is a janitor around, we should hold shots for now...


We had just lynched Sentinel and the conversation had moved away from PaqMan; then, he throws his name out again without anyone else, and also puts the idea in vigs heads to shoot him. Seemed kinda risky mafia play to me.

What are your thoughts on that?



Now, to turn the page a little. I'm wondering if all you vets out there (Qatol, sandroba, Palmar, anyone else wanting to take a stab) wouldn't mind helping me out with a look at slOosh. I'll admit, he isn't really a mafia candidate in my books, but he deserves a look as a possible SK for sure.

I'm getting a much more wishy-washy feeling from slOosh than I had in a previous game I played with him. None of his posts seem committal and he constantly seems to be deferring decisions in the game to other players:
I.E.:
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I would agree that Barundar's comment on wanting to say less is indeed suspicious, because the first instinct I had when people started throwing out my name was to clear it. But then wouldn't scum want to do that? Or SK? So I'm confused. But that might be the intended effect of that play. We see that early on he does push the Mattchew could be scum idea, as well as the general theme of tying up roles / rolepicks, which does play into the SK motif.

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What are people's thoughts on the mass roleclaim at day? I'm not sure because people expressed reservations but it may just have been for the night time and not the plan in itself.


Also, his "longer" posts have been more concerned with mechanics than scumhunting: [example]

Compare this with the slOosh from C9++ mini mafia:
Link to Filter
He is quite a bit more assertive and more proactive in finding mafia in this town game:
[click][click]

@slOosh: What gives, man? Why do you seem so wishy-washy this game?




Finally, my own opinion in regards to the roleclaims:
I think we should come up with a list of most suspicious people and get them to claim first.
People like hiro protagonist.

I agree that the post you pointed out does make him a little less likely to be mafia. At the time I was obviously giong to push PaqMan again and talismania had listed the risk.nuke voters and suggested that we look at Palmar or PaqMan. However, the discussion certainly wasn't focused on PaqMan quite yet and that's definitely something strong pointing towards hiro protagonist being town. That being said, I think the final mafia member has to be hiro protagonist, zelblade, or Zephirdd (Zephirdd being a clear third right now because of him taking a hit night 1, but still a possibility). Hopefully we will see more discussion on the subject. I believe any of them would make a fantastic lynch target today (pending hiro protagonist's roleclaim of course).

I had noticed that there was something off about slOosh as well. I agree that he probably isn't mafia (in fact, I would go so far as to say he almost certainly isn't mafia - his attack on PaqMan during day 1 was way too strong for that), but he's one of my higher SK suspects right now. This is mostly because I expected him to play a more active role in the discussion on day 1.

I'm okay with giving you tiers of players I would like to see roleclaim. I'll explain what I would like to see in a separate section at the end of this post.


+ Show Spoiler [zelblade] +
On May 22 2012 17:16 zelblade wrote:
Regarding the roleclaim plans, I have stated n1 that I was comfortable with it. I maintain this stance. Qatol's suggested change seems good too, so I would like for us to follow it today.


Now to the more important stuff.

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On May 22 2012 06:37 hiro protagonist wrote:
On May 22 2012 06:33 risk.nuke wrote:
On May 22 2012 06:30 hiro protagonist wrote:
also, zelblade is the last scum me thinks

What do you base that on?

His actions. He soft defends PacMan. Scolds you for not following the plan (just like decondo). His post dont contribute much, and in fact, try to blend in.

Ill write up a full case come morning if need be, but people should go read his filter and draw there own conclusions.


So you think im scum based off a few weak points.

First off, you mention that I defended Paqman. What you dont mention is that I did this near the start of D1, wherein I felt that there was a reasonable explanation of a town Paqman, since I could symphatise with how he mentioned that he didnt contribute much to the plans due to the fact that the plans were already pretty much set when he entered the thread - something similar happened for me, not being able to access the thread till very late in the drafting phase. I never mentioned paqman again in the thread for the primary reason of day 1 being occupied with sentinel, and I didnt find it neccessary to reveal my reads during the night. Also, what the hell do you mean by a "soft" defense? Do you really want me to come out guns blazing and say that Paq is confirmed town D1 based on things that I werent certain of? Qatol's case was an excellent way to apply pressure, why would I bother giving Paq any more help? I was simply stating my thoughts on what I felt was going to be a townie lynch, how is that scummy? Have you never had a wrong read D1?

You say I "scold" risk for not following the plan, and reference that I did something similar to decondo. The reason for "scolding" (I dont even know why you call it that when it was just a plea to ask him to follow the damm plan) was because I wanted janitor to be accountable, and felt his actions were really retarded if they were townie at that point in time, since he had the potential to cause a chaotic day 1 which might not have ended so well - (read: if sentinel simply claimed he didnt take janitor).

Off you go to write your full case.

Anyway, speaking of this, I find the way Hiro calls me out to be extermely suspicious. Im just rehashing a couple of Qatol's points - but why have you been lurking so actively? You say that your activity levels flactuate, but looking at the timestamps clearly indicate that you came out of lurking around 15 minutes after Qatol called you out. Coincidence? I think not.

The way that you write suspicions on me are also suspect. You take a old post of mine compared to a recent one of yours and say that it is why I am a better shot and frankly thats complete bullshit as Qatol mentioned due to the time difference between them. Not to mention that your suspicions on me makes me feel that you are using said suspisions as a way to draw heat off yourself and onto me.

And of course mafia can claim JOAT - but why do so, and a townie that actually picked it and failed (read:me) will do so too. I dont see your point here

I would be rather happy to lynch him right now, though if we are putting the roleclaim plan into effect I am more than willing to wait a little to see what comes out of it.

The roleclaim plan is more to help us narrow down who the SK is. I don't believe it will help us very much in finding the last scum (but I obviously could be wrong). The only reason I mentioned I want to hear hiro protagonist's roleclaim first is because I want an idea of what role we would be potentially lynching. Also, he may be able to narrow down our SK search some more.

I'm glad to hear that you would like to lynch hiro protagonist, but could you explain why a bit more? Is it simply that you agree with my case on him?
Is anyone familiar with hiro protagonist's history so we can compare it to this game? Sorry to be lazy about it, but I simply don't have time for research on the subject today.


+ Show Spoiler [hiro protagonist] +
On May 22 2012 18:25 hiro protagonist wrote:
First off, Im a little tipsy. Just a heads up.

Ill address Qatols questions:

First, for my activity, I had left the thread sometime after the PacMan flip, and did not check in for a while. When you had made your post on me I was in the middle of re-reading the thread and going though filters. I had been doing that for a couple hours by that point, and was not even planing on responding right away, but then you asked risk to shoot me, and I thought this was some sort trap because at the time I thought Vigs only had 1 bullet, and I brought It up. Had you not brought up a case against me,(and especially one that would have me die in the night) I most likely would not have posted at all until the day post, when I would have brought out my full case on zelblade, because I did not have the time to construct it out today. Instead, I made an half ass case because I thought I might die, an I wanted people to look at zelblade if I did die.

Second, The two quotes are indeed at different times, and putting them side by side is slightly more pathos than I intended. I can see why zelblade thinks Im misrepresenting him at this point. I put up my quote to aid in my defense. I posted zels because I wanted to go into discussion about not just that he soft defended him but HOW he did. Its not just one thing hes done, but a set of actions that collectively draw me to the conclusion that he is mafia. I plan on addressing this with my full right up on zelblade come morning.

Third, ok, roleclaiming, its all the rage i guess. But sense i did not die last night, Ill hold for now. Im down for any organized claiming. just let me know when its my turn

One last thing:
I was roleblocked last night.

see you in the morning

I look forward to seeing your full case on zelblade. Like I mentioned earlier, I really feel like the final mafia member is probably one of the three of you, so please persuade me that it isn't you and is zelblade if that is how you feel.


On May 22 2012 19:55 Palmar wrote:
We should just murder sandroba, it's a really nice and easy way to continue today.

And it would be nice and easy way to lynch a probable townie. Could you please start putting a LOT more effort into this game? This is got to be one of the laziest performances I've ever seen out of a "veteran player".


+ Show Spoiler [Toadesstern] +
On May 22 2012 20:10 Toadesstern wrote:
Was Qatol shot?

We're missing one KP again. SK has 1 KP and mafia has 1 KP but there's only one dead guy and I guess whoever shot blue went for a save hit rather than someone looking good to avoid protection. So unless somehow SK and Mafia (going to use "mafia" for both SK and mafia from now on...) BOTH had the same idea and BOTH shot the exact same guy we're missing one guy.

I'd assume Qatol jailed risk or marv and I'm pretty sure mafia assumed something along those lines as well. Or at least someone like Risk / marv. The imortant part is that Qatol can't jail himself, even if he could he would probably RB himself before protecting rendering the protection useless :p

The the interesting part here is, did mafia shoot into someone like Risk / marv and we'll probably never know because Risk / marv won't get confirmation on that one according to Chaoser, or did mafia shoot Qatol because that would have been the reasonable thing to do if you want to avoid protection, unless of course there's a real medic around, however I'd take that risk over shooting into risk / marv without a second of a thought as mafia.

Right now I'd assume Qatol did not jail risk and rather went for his #2 "target" because he said something along the lines "vigs shoot into XYZ" yesterday, didn't he? So he probably wanted risk to shoot because there's not a fantastillion vigs around anymore. Risk could tell us if he was RB'ed but he can not tell us if he was protected and Qatol could just tell us who he jailed :p



However the interesting part here is why Qatol is not dead. He is the guy able to save everyones life except for his own. So I'd actually say the 2nd hit was Qatol and he was protected by a real medic. Can't imagine mafia not wanting Qatol dead right now when he's even the save-hit if there's no 2nd medic.
Confirmation on who was RB'ed / protected / hit would still be nice to figure this out.

I wasn't shot last night. My guess is both the Mafia and the SK think the other will be shooting me, so they are both trying to shoot other players. If I had to guess, I'd guess that the SK shot Bluelightz (specifically hunting for a potential role cop, and finding him). I'd guess that the Mafia likely didn't shoot at all or shot the SK. But that is a pure guess.


+ Show Spoiler [Zephirdd] +
On May 22 2012 20:25 Zephirdd wrote:
TBH Barundar should be lynched.

Bluelightz makes decent case for the first time in his life -> he is killed the day after. COINCIDENCE? I THINK NOT

Now, on a serious note, I agree with the mass claim plan. And I'll agree with it by claiming.

There is a Politician in game.
I picked Politician and got Vanilla. I wanted to deny/confirm a possible Politician in game, and I didn't claim earlier to create suspicion for mafia(omg, maybe I would be a protective role right?). At this point, this information is better for town.

I wanted marv's partner(who isn't me!) to claim because he could be higher up than me on the list, but if the politician(and probably SK) is Barundar as I suspect, I'm the one who should be claiming.

Now, if you want a case on Barundar, I present you Bluelightz' best case ever.

I think it would be premature to lynch anyone as a SK suspect until we get our roleclaims in order. Please withdraw your vote for now. However, I think it is interesting that someone else is also claiming to have whiffed on Politician. I wish you had claimed earlier - the suspicion isn't as valuable to us as getting a better feel for the location of such an anti-town role.


+ Show Spoiler [Toadesstern] +
On May 22 2012 21:03 Toadesstern wrote:
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On May 22 2012 20:18 Mattchew wrote:
Toad qatol said he jailed marv and that marv nor himself took a hit

and I agree with a sandroba lynch


yeah exactly, however I only had the nested quote of this one in my mind, didn't see chaosers update until you just said that:
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On May 22 2012 04:58 chaoser wrote:
On May 22 2012 04:37 chaoser wrote:
On May 22 2012 03:41 Qatol wrote:
What about if they are saved by being Jailed? Is the player doing the saving informed of the save?


Reading back on old PYP games, jailkeeper saves do not get notifications while doctor saves do

From PYPI:

Jailkeeper

You have the ability to lock someone in jail, preventing all night actions on a player of your choice during the night. This includes DT checks, bombs, night hits, and recruitment. It does not prevent roleblocks. You may not protect yourself. No one will be notified of any results. Jailkeeper can protect someone the night she/he gets killed.


After reading logs with GM, I have to revise my answer and inform everyone that if someone is jailed and saved then both the jailer and the person who is saved will be informed.

so I thought he assumed he would get a notification when really he would not. But that statement makes clear that he would have gotten an notification which brings us to our problem again:
We have a jailer who can protect people but he protected someone that didn't end up being shot and we're missing KP
=> we probably have a medic or someone shot into a vet / hider.

Pretty sure a vet and a medic would get a notification as well, not sure about the hider though.

I'm just mentioning that because it could be an issue for the massclaim and I would like Qatols thought on that before starting doing anyting because if we have a medic that could change some things.
I'm going to do whatever Qatol says because clearly he's carrying town right now but I want his comment on that one before starting everything to make sure he just didn't forget about that part.

Once again, I cannot carry the town any more this game. I'll be around, but I can't keep doing all of the heavy lifting. I would suggest doing a lot more of the thinking on your own and taking the time to make a spreadsheet for yourself. Alternatively, you can spend some time on various people's filters, starting with mine if you feel I'm on the right track, and then moving on to the possible suspects. There are several players in the game now who seem to have a pretty good idea of what we should be doing. If you read a little, you should be able to figure them out relatively easily.


On May 22 2012 21:47 Barundar wrote:
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On May 22 2012 21:46 risk.nuke wrote:
Barundar, if you refuse to roleclaim today I shoot you tonight. Start with claiming if you are vanilla or not.

Not vanilla.

I'm relatively sure I know what he's going to claim, and if I'm right, it should take a lot of heat off him.


On May 22 2012 21:47 sandroba wrote:
I think barundar is the sk (he sugested the cpr mass murder thing, which seemed weird at the time, but I guess it makes sense as sk) and hiro is the mafia.

@Palmar How come you are pushing me for not devoting much time to this game while you are yourself doing the same? Let me play diablo in peace.

What I said for Palmar goes double for you. "Give me kp and I'll give you dead scum." Hmph. If you don't plan to devote the time to play properly (like because you're going to be spending your time on diablo), don't sign up, especially in a game where a bunch of newer players didn't get in.


On May 22 2012 22:42 Mattchew wrote:
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On May 22 2012 22:37 Palmar wrote:
On May 22 2012 21:47 sandroba wrote:
I think barundar is the sk (he sugested the cpr mass murder thing, which seemed weird at the time, but I guess it makes sense as sk) and hiro is the mafia.

@Palmar How come you are pushing me for not devoting much time to this game while you are yourself doing the same? Let me play diablo in peace.


I'm devoting tons of time to this game, I'm just being wrong a lot.

But killing you seems like a good way forward.

what do you think about barundar

and I think that snarfs/sandroba is the last scum

You still haven't answered my earlier question. Do you think it is more valuable for the scum to bus their teammate than to use the JOAT's KP role and let the JOAT survive another day?
Also, I bring up a different post than risk.nuke, which is the main reason I cannot see Snarfs as being anything but town:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 18 2012 10:51 Snarfs wrote:
One of risk.nuke, marv, and Sentinel is lying in a manner that is hurting town.

This means that one of them is scum. That is a 1/3 chance, much better than any hunches you might have on PaqMan or sandroba or whoever else.

To address some points:

risk.nuke has voted Sentinel and Sentinel has voted risk.nuke; therefore, it is very unlikely that one of them is lying to draw fire from scum if they have actually chosen Janitor.

Sentinel has claimed vanilla town; therefore, is probably the safest lynch of the three if we want to avoid accidentally lynching a blue.

@Toad: We are not lynching blind into 3 targets. Read the thread. Read their filters. Make an educated decision. Don't lynch blind.


My scum rank for the three are:
1. Sentinel
2. risk.nuke
3. marvellosity

Any discussion of targets other than these 3 will only help cause confusion amongst the town and WILL ONLY BENEFIT SCUM. Qatol, I do understand the conviction to lynch a scum you think you've got pegged, but other people (myself included) just don't see the case as that strong. Here we have a 1/3 chance of hitting scum. Those are great odds. Help us out with some analysis of these 3 people rather than tunneling on PaqMan.

To conclude: People should talk about Sentinel, risk.nuke and marvellosity because there is a 1/3 random chance that one of them is scum. Talking about other targets will only help mafia because it spreads confusion among a town which must be focused to win the game.

Scum has absolutely NO reason to refocus the discussion onto risk.nuke, Sentinel, and marvellosity when there is a chance they will lose their JOAT day one. None at all. Heck, they may not have even WANTED a lynch because it keeps the town busy with this situation longer and keeps us from looking for other accused members (such as PaqMan). Why would the mafia convince slOosh and myself to refocus onto the sentinel/risk.nuke/marvellosity discussion when they benefit from having a split vote?


+ Show Spoiler [Palmar] +
On May 22 2012 23:10 Palmar wrote:
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On May 22 2012 22:42 Mattchew wrote:
On May 22 2012 22:37 Palmar wrote:
On May 22 2012 21:47 sandroba wrote:
I think barundar is the sk (he sugested the cpr mass murder thing, which seemed weird at the time, but I guess it makes sense as sk) and hiro is the mafia.

@Palmar How come you are pushing me for not devoting much time to this game while you are yourself doing the same? Let me play diablo in peace.


I'm devoting tons of time to this game, I'm just being wrong a lot.

But killing you seems like a good way forward.

what do you think about barundar

and I think that snarfs/sandroba is the last scum


I had initial reservations about him, but mostly just the "not-sure-if-town" type of thing. Like I would rather kill a few other people.

I still think Toad might be possible scum or something in that lieu.

I completely agree on Toad. He is definitely still a possibility. However, I agree that we have better targets right now. I just disagree that sandroba is one of them.


+ Show Spoiler [Zephirdd] +
On May 22 2012 23:19 Zephirdd wrote:
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On May 22 2012 21:42 zelblade wrote:
Because we are working under the assumption that the SK went with a politician pick (and got it) because any townie in his right mind that got it would claim.

Everyone else in the upper portion of the draft (except myself I guess, if you feel im a possible SK) has either proven their role (risk, matt, marv once he claims his townie) or has flipped. Since it makes no sense for a townie who went with a politician pick and got it to not claim about it at this stage after marv informed us that a SK poltician is very likely to be in the game, I am relatively certain we can rule out anyone with any other role out for now.

I highly doubt that toad is SK though - the timing of his claim of VT makes little sense for a SK politician.

Of course, zeph could be the SK and is taking a gambit. Thats a possibility, though I kinda doubt it.

Lool! Yeah right. I'm a SK that just claimed vt-politician and is pushing the ass of someone just to be seen as a liar after his flip, RIGHT?

Even if I was SK, I'd be dead as soon as you, sloosh and misder died. And this could be achieved as soon as the next night, if you consider lynch+vigi+mafia shot.

Don't be silly mr SK.

Woah, calm down a little, please. He said that it's possible you took politician and are lying about it. He even said he doubted it was true. I agree with him completely. We have already seen something similar to this happen in this game with Sentinel. Are you really getting on zelblade simply for being careful?


As far as claiming tiers go, I would suggest the following:
Tier 1: slOosh and Misder
Tier 2: hiro protagonist and Barundar
Tier 3: Snarfs
First claim vanilla or role. Second, if vanilla, claim what you tried to take. Third, after the vanillas have all claimed, then claim your role if you got one. Within each step, do them in tiered order. So first slOosh and Misder claim vanilla/role. Then hiro and Barundar (though Barundar has already done this, so ignore him for this step). Then Snarfs. Then move on to the vanilla claiming step, etc.

Also, marvellosity, who is your townie? (Here's hoping it isn't Snarfs.)
Uff Da
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
May 22 2012 14:53 GMT
#1262
On May 22 2012 22:58 Mattchew wrote:
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On May 22 2012 22:49 risk.nuke wrote:
Mattchew do you think snarf is scum despite posts such as these which was crucial to condemn Sentinel.
+ Show Spoiler [Mainpost] +
On May 18 2012 03:36 Snarfs wrote:
Sentinel said he would take Janitor if he had to:
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On May 17 2012 05:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'll be cool with it, but I'd rather have risk cooperate lol.

Risk please cooperate?


risk made it quite clear he was not going to cooperate.

Then Sentinel tries to make it sound like he attempted to pick the janitor role by adding a frowny face:
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On May 17 2012 23:26 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I did not get janitor

When in fact we now know that the Janitor was not picked by anyone in the top 4.

Sentinel lied then tried to make it seem like he didn't lie without actually lying anymore. That's good enough for a day 1 lynch to me.

##Vote [UoN]Sentinel

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On May 18 2012 04:47 Snarfs wrote:
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On May 18 2012 04:45 Qatol wrote:
On May 18 2012 03:59 Snarfs wrote:
On May 18 2012 03:54 Qatol wrote:
You guys, unless you're going to commit to making a long analysis, don't bring up a new target for lynch. This kind of lazy/impulsive lynching is a way to get us in trouble. We're just going to divide the town and wind up letting the mafia control the lynch or destroy the productive atmosphere we had earlier.

Also, because I don't think lynching Mattchew is a good idea right now, I'm going to stop taking about him and focus on PaqMan.

Not much to analyze in my vote.

Sentinel said he would do one thing (which would benefit town), then did another (thus, benefiting mafia) while not making it clear that he didn't do the thing he intended to do (making it seem like he tried to benefit town, when in fact benefitting mafia).

Why would town do this?

What exactly did he say he would do which he didn't do? He said he would take Janitor. He tried to take Janitor. He claims he got vanilla instead. What about that is anti-town? Calm down a little and think this through, please. I'm not necessarily saying he isn't the best lynch target of the 3 (him, risk.nuke, and marvellosity), but I am saying that your logic for voting him isn't sound. This is why you need to do an analysis. And I still think PaqMan is a stronger target (sorry my post is taking so long - I'm at 6 pages in word and counting). All I'm doing is trying to get everyone to calm down and have an open mind about lynch targets.

I clearly posted that with the assumption that risk.nuke was telling the truth. Now that there is new information, I am open to either a risk.nuke lynch or a Sentinel lynch.

However, I still believe that the wording in Sentinel's posts seemed deceptive; whereas, risk.nuke has been completely clear and straightforward in his decision making.

Is 1 mislynch on you worth looking bad to the rest of town? Sent took a risk (no pun intended) and he was going to hang for it day 2 if not day 1. Scum lost 1 kill and 0 overall kp from him dying and at the time, I think there was a strong voting force against you if I recall correctly.

He speaks with a lot of certainty especially in a time where there should not have been much (IMO) from outsiders perspectives.

On May 22 2012 22:54 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2012 22:45 marvellosity wrote:
On May 22 2012 22:42 Mattchew wrote:

and I think that snarfs/sandroba is the last scum


Based on?

sandroba not really caring about the game or aggressively asserting himself as town leader

snarfs cause his posts against sent feel like bus (which if you look at the situation retrospectively would be the right play as scum) and cause I believe that there is scum within all the [5,1] picks, and I don't think its palmar or qatol


that's exactly what I thought as well.

///here be huge explanation that got deleted because of ongoing-games-rule, *hinthint*///

The part about Sandroba however is wrong. There's a bunch of reasons to suspect him but him not caring isn't alignment indicating at all. Remember C9++ #2?
He made about 4 posts withint 3 days if I recall correctly and ended up being town together with me.
The part that is worrying about Sandroba is that he really wants to play a perfect d1 as town and therefore wants to lynch into mafia no matter what, yet he came in here declaring that we should no lynch not even trying to talk about better alternatives. He could be lazy playind d3 right now bu I'd still say a lazy, d3 playing Sandro wouldn't suggest a NL out of nowhere.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 22 2012 14:55 GMT
#1263
So I've PMed my masonee asking if I can reveal who he is.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
May 22 2012 14:55 GMT
#1264
Woah, calm down a little, please. He said that it's possible you took politician and are lying about it. He even said he doubted it was true. I agree with him completely. We have already seen something similar to this happen in this game with Sentinel. Are you really getting on zelblade simply for being careful?

My bad, I thought it was Barundar there, not zelblade. Seriously, I didn't mean to sound like that T_T
♥ The world needs more hearts! ♥
Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
May 22 2012 14:58 GMT
#1265
I have a role, as implied by my previous post. I'm curious as to what role you think Barundar has actually, but I can wait til we finish claiming.
Whaaaa?
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
May 22 2012 16:15 GMT
#1266
Qatol:
Do you think it is more valuable for the scum to bus their teammate than to use the JOAT's KP role and let the JOAT survive another day?

It completely depends if he really believed that sent could get lynched. If you read that from his posts, then he's town, if you don't then he's scum.
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
May 22 2012 16:36 GMT
#1267
I did believe I could get sent lynched and I do believe that I GOT sent lynched.

Also, I am marv's townie mason buddy. Sorry my position in queue wasn't higher.

Finally, I agree with Qatol's order of claiming. Misder has already claimed that he has a role, so slOosh should now too.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
May 22 2012 16:55 GMT
#1268
Catching up on the latest posts. Will respond to Snarf's / Qatol's concerns afterwards. I do have a role.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
May 22 2012 17:02 GMT
#1269
Confirming Snarfs

On May 19 2012 19:56 marvellosity wrote:
So Sentinel was the scum man. And Palmar attempted to go lone ranger. For god's sakes.

But all's well that ends well. Will read over the thread properly later, glad we got a good result.

[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Snarfs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1006 Posts
May 22 2012 17:10 GMT
#1270
Okay, to keep things moving, hiro protagonist should claim whether or not he has a role, then we can get to actual claims.
Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
May 22 2012 17:10 GMT
#1271
hiro is the only one left to claim nilla/role.
Whaaaa?
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
May 22 2012 17:19 GMT
#1272
I'm a win at all costs player Qatol, I want to lynch sandroba for not putting any effort into the game after it actually started. That, to me, is a perfectly valid reason to lynch him.

I'm not being lazy, I'm being uncertain. It's not long since I had like 8 games in a row as town where I pushed hard for a mafia lynch on day one. I've not been on the wrong side of a mafia lynch for probably 10 months or something, not even mentioning the fact I actively pushed to kill someone who's very likely a townie over scum. I know most people don't care about that shit but when I commit to something I'm not used to being wrong. I hate it and it's making me question everything I had assumed in this game up until the point of failure.

We're ahead, sandroba is a legitimate target, and killing him off today gives me plenty of time to re-think about the game.
Computer says mafia
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
May 22 2012 18:02 GMT
#1273
Im up, with a hang over Im still building my case on zel, but I came in for the role claim plan:

I have a role.

In case anyone missed it, I was roleblocked.
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
May 22 2012 18:02 GMT
#1274
If you guys actually read my filter you realize I can't be mafia. I was the first to suggested the role claiming thing that finally net us sentinel for sure. I've read all filters from the players and I think hiro has the highest chance of being scum.
I also believe that marv should tell us who is his townie so we can narrow down the sk. There are plenty of claims already so claiming the rest is not going to hurt us that much.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
May 22 2012 18:08 GMT
#1275
Ok i missed a page of posting. Stop claiming not vanilla just claim your fucking role. We got only 2 people to catch roles dont really matter anymore.
Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
May 22 2012 18:10 GMT
#1276
I'm roleblocker (obviously blocked Palmar N1 and hiro N2).

To SlOosh.
Whaaaa?
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
May 22 2012 18:12 GMT
#1277
slOosh's meta seems off
I was typing up a whole explanation but I realized it doesn't really help us find the anti-town players so I'll just say that my play here probably looks much more like my play in TL Mafia LI, where I was shot N1 as a blue suspect (due to thread presence drop). I'm always hungry for direction and am not really that confident in giving it myself in new situations (in LI it was due to the sheer size, this game is due to PYP aspect), thus the blatant sheeping on my town read. Nevertheless, I ease into games and as more time passes no doubt you will see more activity / discussion and whatnot from me.


Night Kills
N1: Talismania the witch and PaqMan (vanilla) died. There is 1 unaccounted KP, most likely explained by scum shooting the SK, as no one has claimed the shot, indicating that either Talismania did not use his power or chose not to give the potion after seeing the death list.
N2: Bluelightz died and Zephirdd claimed the second shot.

Conclusion: The last mafia knows the identity of the SK and will no doubt want him alive to help whittle down town numbers. There is no janitor in the game as N1 and N2 are the most optimal uses of it. Along those lines a copycat CPR is highly unlikely as the only way to attribute the lack of KP is that both scum and SK chose the same kill target two days in a row.

Additional side note: I don't think people have given Bluelight's case on Barundar as much consideration as it deserves. He is the role-cop and no doubt he would have utilized his check on someone he found suspicious, and a good portion of N1 discussions were centered around Barundar.


Role Claim
I am actually very eager to role claim. I will however hold back because of the tiered system, plus my claim is worth some discussion and would not like clashes / misdirection to occur in the thread.

At this point in the game, the unknowns are slOosh (me), Misder, Barundar and hiro's role claims. Everyone else has claimed something (whether they are lying or not is a different point).


Pre-edit: saw the thread and yea I guess I'll just claim in the next post I make.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
May 22 2012 18:13 GMT
#1278
On May 21 2012 06:17 sandroba wrote:
I'm going to post this here since the OP doesn't look like it's getting updated soon. Known info and deaths:

deconduo mafia CPR Dead day 1 by dayvig mattchew
risk.nuke Claimed Vigilante shot paqman
marvellosity Claimed Mason -> partner is townie who tried for politician
[UoN]Sentinel mafia JOAT Dead lynched day 1
Mattchew Dayvig shot deconduo
zelblade Claimed VT tried for JOAT
Bluelightz Dead rolecop
talismania Dead shot night1 Witch
Misder Roleblocker
PaqMan mafia vanilla shot by risk n1 (or lynched day2 =P)
slOosh
Toadesstern Claimed VT tried for mason
Barundar
Zephirdd Claimed VT tried for politician
hiro protagonist Claimed that has a role can't be politicain
Palmar Claimed Pardoner
Snarfs VT tried for politician
Qatol Jailer -> Jailed risk n1 modconfirmed
sandroba VT tried for mason
Probulous VT modkilled day1


hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
May 22 2012 18:15 GMT
#1279
Im the Doctor. I protected Qatol both nights.
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
May 22 2012 18:22 GMT
#1280
I am the Parity Cop. I anticipated and checked Talismania N1.

I checked Palmar N2. Results: Same.

Conclusion: With SK having the probable role of politician, Palmar's pardoner (and therefore not godfather nor traitor) claim, and the inability for the framer to frame the self, combined with the high unlikeliness of the traitor (if one exists) 1 shot framing Palmar that exact moment, my check has really high fidelity. Therefore, Palmar is town.

Remarks: I was eager to claim because
1) My role choice would clear my name somewhat. Why would mafia choose parity cop. I guess SK might choose it to determine mafia team, but unlikely.
2) It would reveal an investigation on a known strong town vet (Palmar), helping us find the anti-town by process of elimination
3) No doubt I will now be considered as a potential hit target, which pressures the anti-town because while they want to kill roles that could really screw them over, they also want to keep potential mislynches alive, and no doubt I am one of them (maybe not this cycle but potential is there).
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