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[QUOTE]On May 17 2012 21:24 Toadesstern wrote: [QUOTE]On May 17 2012 11:10 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: [QUOTE]On May 17 2012 10:27 Qatol wrote: I would like to point out that this in no way confirms Mattchew. The main reason for this is because the Copy Cat just got the CPR Doctor role. If you got the role, claim it and don't use it. If nobody claims the role, I'm going to have to assume it went to an anti-town player.[/QUOTE] About the Shot: I think it confirms mattchew half way. If he ends up being mafia I'll eat a hat. Yes it's still possible he's still mafia and this was planed to get the CPR somewhere safe because +1KP is more valueable than decunduo / one buddy but that's soooo unlikely. [/QUOTE] Why is it sooooo unlikely?[/QUOTE] don't think mafia would all-in like that giving away half of their team 10 minutes into the game on a coinflip. | ||
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place 2, 3 and 4 all failed to do what they were supposed to do because although they all were fine with it before alignment went out. Memo for myself: Next time suggest #1-4 CPR, #5-8 Janitor That being said I like Qatol but I'm not really convinced by the case. Do you have someone else? I'm think a Risk lynch would be nice to teach him a lesson on why you don't look scummy on purpose but I guess lynching into a null will get me as banned as he will be if he ends up being town. So blue it is for now. He's usually VERY MUCH in peoples faces and you can see that "pre-game" (before d1 started, not sure how to call it) but I don't see that right now. No "guuuuys, this guy is clearly town, this guy as well oooh and that guy over there as well. Not willing to lynch THAT" shenanigans at all. ##vote Blue Sandro did you end up getting Mason? I did not go for it but didn't feel like telling you due to my read on you prior to the mattchew thing. | ||
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On May 18 2012 03:55 marvellosity wrote: Firstly stop with the ban talk. Secondly we don't lynch to teach someone a lesson. Thirdly I think we're better off using the appropriate bluechecks on risk during the night than we are lynching him right now. Yes. That's exactly what I just said. Thanks for pointing it out again in proper english. | ||
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On May 18 2012 03:59 Snarfs wrote: Not much to analyze in my vote. Sentinel said he would do one thing (which would benefit town), then did another (thus, benefiting mafia) while not making it clear that he didn't do the thing he intended to do (making it seem like he tried to benefit town, when in fact benefitting mafia). Why would town do this? Marv and Risk did the exact same thing. I'm pretty sure one of the 3 is bound to be mafia but I have no idea who out of those 3 it is yet. Do you want to lynch into a three-way constellation like that when all you know is that one of them is probably mafia? I don't think that's a good idea. Hence, we leave all of those 3 alive while telling them how anti-town that behavior was no matter if they had a genius plan behind it or not because frankly they failed horribly with their genius-plans to save the town. We've got than enough time to figure that out this day or the next day and make an (at least) educated guess on who of those 3 is the guy to lynch instead of just lynching into them. So if they proceed to do things like that, fine we lynch the guy who proceeds to do thigns like that. If they stop it we try and figure it out BEFORE lynching into them. | ||
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On May 18 2012 04:04 Toadesstern wrote: Marv and Risk did the exact same thing. I'm pretty sure one of the 3 is bound to be mafia but I have no idea who out of those 3 it is yet. Do you want to lynch into a three-way constellation like that when all you know is that one of them is probably mafia? I don't think that's a good idea. Hence, we leave all of those 3 alive while telling them how anti-town that behavior was no matter if they had a genius plan behind it or not because frankly they failed horribly with their genius-plans to save the town. We've got than enough time to figure that out this day or the next day and make an (at least) educated guess on who of those 3 is the guy to lynch instead of just lynching into them. So if they proceed to do things like that, fine we lynch the guy who proceeds to do thigns like that. If they stop it we try and figure it out BEFORE lynching into them. And that's pretty much the same situation for mattchew here. I'm sure it was weird as shit and I am SO CONFUSED about it because if someone would have asked me pre-game if mattchew had to balls to do something like that as town I would have told him "Never". Scum makes no sense from his point of view as well as Sandroba has pointed out. SK makes a little sense imo but it's still weird. That's why I am confused. However I am pretty sure we can figure him out the next couple of days, hence we leave him alive and try to understand what happened and why it happened. | ||
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I thought none of those 3 picked janitor and now we have confirmation that 2 picked it? | ||
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Also I'd say risk is the liar and if he is he's town. | ||
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On May 18 2012 04:52 Toadesstern wrote: Would a vig-role without a bullet left return "has a gun" to bullet-bob if he's a town-vig without a bullet left or would he return "has no gun" ? Also I'd say risk is the liar and if he is he's town. which still means: I'd rather not lynch into any of those 3. Sentinel looks good without a doubt, so no lynching that. Risk and Marv are somewhat weird but with Sentinel's action I'm not 100% sure one of them has to be mafia. It could be 1-1 or 2-0 right now, maybe even 0-2 idk. No lynching them unless we have more information and more analysis about them. | ||
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On May 18 2012 05:01 Mattchew wrote: what possible town motivation could there be for sent's claim if he is lying. what possible town motivation would there be for risk or marv to hide the fact they picked a role that withholds info from basically only town (other than roles maybe, but knowing the alignments is way more important imo) I don't think sent is lying because he's busted if he does as mafia. We can confirm that really easy within 1 or 2 days. So for me it's more about the question wether or not he would have a reason to lie as mafia and I don't see that happening. For risk and marv it's a bit complicated but there are a bunch of good reasons to lie as a townie in that situation if you ARE the janitor. Janitor is COMPLETLY useless for town so you might as well lie (read: "hey guys I don't have janitor and I am #2 or #3 so I've probably got a REALLY AWESOME BLUE POWER" ) to draw some hits because getting the janitor out of the game is all we wanted to achieve and if one of them is town and already managed to do that they're happy. If they can "protect" another guy who is very likely to be shot early on due to awesome blue role or awesome mafia sKiLlZ that's awesome for town. So yes, I see a lot of reasons for them to lie as town. Could be wrong which brings me to the point: Leave them alive, I want to figure out what's going on in that constellation rather than just randomly lynching into them, having a coinflip on wether or not we hit mafia and on top of that gain 0 (!!!!) information because everyone would be like "duuuh, that's a mess" if one of them flipped town or "nice hit" if one of them flipped mafia. Noone is willing to lynch them because of analysis. People want to lynch them because of bullshit they haven't figured out yet. | ||
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On May 18 2012 05:11 Mattchew wrote: so lets say risk is janitor... why is he voting sent?... why would a townie lie to allow us to mislynch someone? Do you think it's something that is necessarily scummy? | ||
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On May 18 2012 05:20 marvellosity wrote: Are you asking if lying in order to mislynch a townie is scummy? nah I am asking if he considers lying as a townie (wtf?!?!) as someting scummy. Obviously the mislynch part is bullshit and I ignored it. The guy has 2 votes and already flipped town according to mattchew. | ||
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On May 18 2012 05:11 Mattchew wrote: so lets say risk is janitor... why is he voting sent?... why would a townie lie to allow us to mislynch someone? 1) We've got 2 votes on sent 2) We don't know if it's a mislynch if it were to happen, although I agree that he's looking good. That's why I ignored that part. | ||
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Yeah he voted him but come on. Do you see anyone backing him up? Do you see anyone saying stuff along the lines "well that's great logic! That makes me sure you are town risk"? I don't see that, therefore I don't consider it a push, therefore I don't care about his vote right now because it could be just to stick with his "thing" right now, whatever that thing might be. I'm not saying risk is town, although if he really is the janitor he is most likely town. I'm saying that I have no clue who the liar right now, all I have is a guess based on my reads but I'm not willing to lynch into one based on a guess when we have enough time to figure out a better lynch. And it's really easy to figure out what's going on between risk / marv / sent within 1 or 2 days. Why would you guys be willing to lynch into that BEFORE we know what's going on in that constellation if it is really obvious that we WILL have a better idea about it the next couple of days. | ||
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Anyone else willing to answer that one is welcome to answer that one as well. I still think he is by far the most scummy player we have right now but the decunduo flip really doesn't fit that read. Not that I think a Sandro + decunduo mafia team should be considered imba (at all) but it doesn't really fit. Qatol was very open when disagreeing with Sandroba before and while drafting and told us exactly where Sandroba was wrong in his (and my) opinion, yet he never said Sandroba is scummy. Now look at what Decunduo did: He posted no walls of text like Sandro did. He basicly agreed with it in a very useless fashion but he disagreed with Sandroba. He as well never said Sandroba is looking weird for it, too. However, given the flip don't you think he usually would have done it? Decunduo was mafia. He had all the reasons to say Sandroba looks weird after how I and ESPECIALLY after how Qatol dismanteled Sandroba in a way everyone agreed. What Qatol did was very clear, he explained his thoughts and why what Sandroba said is wrong and both know that Sandroba is a monster as town. So why didn't Decundo drop the m-word? Again, he had all the reasons to just say he thinks Sandroba looks weird but didn't, I think Sandroba is the best lynch for today and we need to get people like blue in here, which is the reason I voted him but I should have done so earlier and clearly a pressure vote at this point of time is not going to help anymore so I'm taking it off blue. If blue isn't going to contribute soon I'd say he's still a decent Plan-B but Sandro is the by far best shot we have today imo if it weren't for the dayvig that's confusing me SO HARD.... | ||
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On May 18 2012 06:40 Toadesstern wrote: + Show Spoiler + Qatol what's your opinion on Sandro? Anyone else willing to answer that one is welcome to answer that one as well. I still think he is by far the most scummy player we have right now but the decunduo flip really doesn't fit that read. Not that I think a Sandro + decunduo mafia team should be considered imba (at all) but it doesn't really fit. Qatol was very open when disagreeing with Sandroba before and while drafting and told us exactly where Sandroba was wrong in his (and my) opinion, yet he never said Sandroba is scummy. Now look at what Decunduo did: He posted no walls of text like Sandro did. He basicly agreed with it in a very useless fashion but he disagreed with Sandroba. He as well never said Sandroba is looking weird for it, too. However, given the flip don't you think he usually would have done it? Decunduo was mafia. He had all the reasons to say Sandroba looks weird after how I and ESPECIALLY after how Qatol dismanteled Sandroba in a way everyone agreed. What Qatol did was very clear, he explained his thoughts and why what Sandroba said is wrong and both know that Sandroba is a monster as town. So why didn't Decundo drop the m-word? Again, he had all the reasons to just say he thinks Sandroba looks weird but didn't, I think Sandroba is the best lynch for today and we need to get people like blue in here, which is the reason I voted him but I should have done so earlier and clearly a pressure vote at this point of time is not going to help anymore so I'm taking it off blue. If blue isn't going to contribute soon I'd say he's still a decent Plan-B but Sandro is the by far best shot we have today imo if it weren't for the dayvig that's confusing me SO HARD.... EBWOP Walls of text like Qatol did. Not Sandro. | ||
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On May 18 2012 06:59 sandroba wrote: @Toad What exactly is your reasoning for me being mafia? You keep saying I look weird and I'm scummy but you don't provide any reasoning. And because I didn't agree on the cpr thing being denied is not a good reason, but I'm not going to get into that, because I don't wanna flood the thread with obsolete discussion. So the facts we got so far are the following: Risk claims he didn't try for janitor. I know you said you wouldn't, but can you explain why, since you posted that you thought that role was worth denying? Marvelocity claims he didn't go for janitor nor cpr. Again, why is that? Sentinel claims he tryed janitor and didn't get it, thus vanilla. A role or bulletbill check could work in his case, narrowing it down to marv or risk, or finding out he is mafia. My reasoning for you being scummy is that you are usually a very smart man but so far I haven't read anything smart yet. And yes I would consider what you posted so far as not-smart-at-all.  @2nd paragraph: And if mafia has a framer we're screwed big time. See what I am referring to when I said you are usually a smart man? | ||
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On May 18 2012 07:33 sandroba wrote: @toad you are just not smart enough to realize what i posted previously is smart  @palmar based on what? I see no reason to do so as of now, specially on day 1. so who do you think is the best lynch for d1? | ||
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On May 18 2012 08:02 sandroba wrote: I actually think no lynching might be the best choice. becaaaause? | ||
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just to make it clear because apparently people (hint: marv) are not getting what I am talking about when I am not explaining it explicitly and while I usually do that on purpose it's 1:30 am right now for me, so no time for games. I was referring to this one: On May 15 2012 02:08 sandroba wrote: I would totally pick cpr. Give me kp and I'll give you dead scum. Trust me it's more effective to leave it up for grabs. Mafia can't pick it safely, they might end up vanilla. You are the guy who says "give me KP and I'll give you dead scum". You are the guy who thinks CPR doc is equally good in towns hand because it's an infinite bullet vig. Clearly you don't want a noob to take it but someone like you would be really good with a CPR. Clearly you know that you tend to die early a lot if you are mafia. Remember saying something along the lines of "I'm sick of getting shot n1 as town" when we hydraed? Your train of though is just way off. 1) You want CPR to shoot n1, because apparently you die early A LOT as townie and if you don't shoot n1 what's the point of infinite vig because you usually get shot as townie n1 or n2. 2) You don't want noobs to get the CPR (I hope) because noone wants another AC happening. 3) Yet you still say it's incredible powerful due to the fact that it's infinite bullets which is just not adding up considering what I just said. 4) And you get in here telling us that we should no lynch now because you are apparently not sure at all about people. What happened to the guy "give me CPR and I'll give you a dead mafia" down the road? What happened to "cpr is awesome for town as well", what's the reasoning behind thinking CPR is awesome for town. How is that guy town. | ||
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