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i play quite a bit on 2p2. im better as a villager than as a mafia and so far i find it hard to differentiate who's saying what cus avatars are so small | ||
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On April 27 2012 05:27 Lazermonkey wrote: But yet your own post doesn't really contribute much at all. If you think not enough people are posting or that they are posting useless stuff, wouldn't it be better if you did some analysis yourself? I think everyone are conscious about that we have mafia among us and everyone would like to avoid dumb misslynches. You are stating the obvious here. Your post is even a bit counterproductive in that you discouraging people from making posts about lynch/no lynch. Afaik there isn't much else to talk about atm but please let us know if there is something. Talking about peoples opinions about lynching gives us a tell on their gameplan/motives etc. so I find nothing bad with it. I'm off to bed now. There is a chance that I will not be able to post to much untill 20:00 CEST tomorrow. so reading through, I dislike this post from lazermonkey he attacks known townsperson jailbreaker for trying to start some real discussions on the ppls roles instead of just talking about mechanics. he's not even discouraging the advice, he's just pointing out some perceived hypocrisy in his post. The problem with that is that his post is jailbreakers post is ACTUALLY helpful. It's most likely role neutral, but a townsperson is more likely to see the good with the bad. Mafia see the bad and ignore the good. He also says "i think everyone are conscious..." which can be a mafia tell sometimes. The reasoning behind it is that his post looks over edited, and if I had to guess, I would say that he replaced "everyone" for "townspeople" and mafia would be more likely to remove that in fear they might get attacked for it in some way | ||
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On April 27 2012 18:15 Pure-SC2 wrote: clipped - You think that it's suspicious that Yomi asks why voted for him after you didn't state a reason? What?! - On top of that you've tried to shut down valid discussion on no lynch, and have stated you don't care if we miss-lynch because collateral damage happens. I'm not sure about you. Seems too aggressive to be scummy, but something seems off. I don't like the last sentence from Pure can someone tell me a little bit about Pure's game? If he's a good towny then the last sentence is scummy. He obviously sees the aggression of the dude he's quoting as towny but is reluctant to give the read. It almost reads angry, like he knows he can't get away with pushing him because he's clearing himself with aggression | ||
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whysomuch is likely a villager too based on my experience with him and what I've seen from him so far in the thread | ||
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On April 28 2012 04:53 Lazermonkey wrote: Reading through the thread more closely this time. @AcesAnoka - His posts are just scummier and scummier. Something to add on the case against him are the last posts before he goes to bed. He first is very suspicious about yomi, but when both Golden and Splinter posts some good cases against him he quickly responds with: I understand that he needs to go to bed but basically what he does is fleeing from all the allegations by saying '' this case was bad, hope u forget about it till tomorrow''. @The_Zen_Man Must say that he is acting way to defensive atm. At least if he is in fact a towine. Up untill just an hour ago all he had posted was defensive posts in response to WhySoMuch. He then makes a summary posts which just made me even more puzzled. His conclusions just seem to be way off. The one I was most suprised about was: It's almost like you didn't read anything but the very first pages. Alot of people, me including, have been thinking that AcecAnoka's behavior was more then just strange. This is NOT only due to his first post but mostly due to the yomi-debate. And I don't understand what you mean with I think it was a good thing you put that pressure vote on yomi, after all it did give a response from him.. The only thing yomi said was what everyone was thinking: that he was just trying to start a discussion. Now this is alot WIFOM. But it IS possible that AcesAnoka were trying to go for a cheap bandwagon on yomi and when he realized that it all failed utterly he was quick to abandon the ship. His scumbro The_Zen_Man tries to to cover his teammate by giving him a relativelynice review in his summary post. Imo The_Zen_Man seems like a confused townie tho and not lynch worthy at all atm. AcecAnoka on the other hand seems quite a bit suspicious to me still. reread a little more of lazermonkey because of that other post I quoted earlier and cus I saw whysomuch voting him and think this post is interesting. Lazer post is a defence of zen_man with an attack on aces (who I think is a likely towno). It's interesting because both cases are very thin and he has fairly strong opinions in opposite directions on each of them. If Lazer is a scummo, he's very unlikely to take this position if aces and zenman are both towndawgs. It's too viable for ppl to go either way on both of these ppl for him to take such a hard stance on them if they were both townspeople. Scum will either back off on these ppl to let the townsos make a bad decision, or they will chose the line of reasoning that makes either of them more likely to be scum. SOOO given my initial reads on lazer and aces, if lazer flips scum, we can probably turbolynch thezenman the next day | ||
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whysomuch, has anyone claimed or anything? are there any specific rules you think I might not know that I should? | ||
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On May 04 2012 09:52 marvellosity wrote: Mmhmm. You're still scum though sup bro you should answer some of my generic questions about the mechanics of the game so far imo | ||
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On May 04 2012 09:52 marvellosity wrote: Mmhmm. You're still scum though because im such a boss and an all around cool dude, i'll help you out a little more and tell you why this response is absurdly townistic this is a player comfortable in his role without worry about how others perceive him lock tounsman apparently im posting too fast and got a spam alert or something this would never happen on 2p2 | ||
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giving me info is probably a good idea though | ||
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On April 28 2012 03:05 The_Zen_Man wrote: If i have seemed inactive, i will try to make up for it now. Below i will give my opinions on a few players. WhySoMuch: I still find it strange that you were so aggresive towards me early in the game after i had only posted one post. I also find it strange that you barely mentioned Veriat who's first post was very similliar to mine. Said this before, but can you please explain you're actions here? Also, why didn't you aske yomi for further explination on his vote on you? Instead you voted on me and had some few posts where you conversed with yomi. This also seemed strange to me. Please explain. Yomi: Not 100% sure on you, but you seem to aggressive for being mafia. Maybe you should have given a better explanation than the one you gave when you voted. LazerMonkey: You seem to be very busy irl, but you could try to contribute a little. So far, i don't think you have contributed much at all. AcesAnoka: You seem suspicous to me. You're first comment was rather strange, but i know you shoulnd't judge someone too much based on what they first wrote. I think it was a good thing you put that pressure vote on yomi, after all it did give a response from him. Veriat: I find it strange that you posted a very similliar post just after mine. I do however like your post where you explain how we would gain information if nolynch. Try to contribute more. O.Golden_ne: I like your playing style. You encourage everyone to stay calm when they seem emotional and explain themselves when they seem suspicous. Pure-SC2: You have very good analytical posts, and you are one of the players that contribute the most. Keep it up! nreekay324 : Im not sure if you are lurking or just not able to post, but you seem really suspicious at the moment. Please explain yourself, and also your vote. ##Vote: The_Zen_Man this dude is nearly always a wolf skimmed all of his posts. super defensive and super concerned with how he's coming across. All his defences are him basically saying stuff like "why would I do that as a scum" when the answer to that is obviously so that you could say that when being pushed. as for the actual post I quoted, it's a common things scum do. They make a list with a bunch of ppl on it and say a sentence or 2 about each of them. The problem is that there aren't any reads there. They're all summaries or suggestions or questions. It's an excuse to post Marv being a tool but w/e, never vote him | ||
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On April 28 2012 20:38 Veriat wrote: @ The_Zen_Man the things about you i find fishy is your opening post: And after lurker for some time, you posts this And from that point on you're on the defensive, not added to the discussion but simply defending your self in multiple posts. To me this just looks scummy, you open being pro "no lynch" because you're scared it might hit you our one of your fellow scum. And then you're playing defensive trying devirt the attention somewhere else, like just now that i vote for you, you panic vote me back, and try to divert the attention to me, now that i've called you out. And on a side note i know i shared your opinion on the whole D1 lynch discussion, but i my previous posts i note that from reading some of the arguments on the topic, and this being my first forum mafia, i change my mind slightly on the subject. And i apologize if my first post on why i found you scummy lacked content, upon prof reading it (after posting it ofc /facepalm) i do see SC2's point on it looking kinda scummy. ##unvote nvm | ||
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On May 04 2012 18:38 Pure-SC2 wrote: I feel like we're being messed with here. Sexdoll signs up to the forum Tuesday, his first ever post is offering himself up as a replacement in this game. Then we get this whole charade? WhySoMuch "knows" Sexdoll from some other site, they have this nice little byplay - oh he's actually younguns there lol lol, heyya babe, and of course Sexdoll knows him and he is likely a villager based on his experience with him. Isn't that sweet, the internet suddenly seems like such a small happy place, where two people who played something similar on another site manage to not only end up in the same game on this site, but have all this experience playing together. I think it's one of two things. 1). They are the same person and totally fucking with us. This was my first impression based on Sexdolls posts. 2). They are friends who are communicating out of band and acting like they aren't. I don't like it at all. Marv, I'm going to spend the next bit going over your case on Golden. It read good the first time but there were a few things I wanted to look at closer. Don't you think it's weird that WhySoMuch has dropped his number 1 scum read on Golden? His reason initially was that he didn't think anyone would support it, so now you've made a good case, why the hell isn't he even pushing it? hey, we both play a ton of werewolf on 2p2 and 2p2 is probably the biggest site to play ww. It's also a fairly tightknit community. 2p2 was hacked last week and has been down. We aren't the samer person. My 2p2 name is Aksdal and I have like 14k posts there. Youngunz has a ton of posts too. | ||
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First of all, the fluff/post length thing is pretty role neutral and will be determined more on the players personality/style than his role. Also, when ppl say stuff like, x,y and z are my top scum reads atm, then proceed to push z over x, that doesn't mean theyre complacent to lynch whoever or that they're contradicting themselves by not pushing x super hard. It just shows a slight lack of confidence in all of the reads, which is totally normal. This is a game of vague information. I want to talk about something specific in marv's case that was brushed aside when he made his case, but is actually super important. When he said, my scum leads are Aces, x and Veriat, then he says he's fine with lynching veriat, Marv says taht this is super scummy, which doesn't make any sense. Scum in that scenario say stuff like, "Veriat is fine but I prefer Aces." They don't volunteer their bros to get lynched like that. On 2p2 we call it bussing when one scum pushes another so that's what I'll call it here. The way that went down is NOT how scum bus each other. It makes no sense. There are 2 approaches that make sense in s/s interactions like that. 1 he would agree that veriat is probably a wolf but try to get aces lynched over him and 2 he would push him in a way that would be clearing for HIM. Golden got 0 credit for the veriat lynch because he deserved 0 credit for it. It makes no sense for him to have pushed Veriat like that if they were s/s. Further, saying stuff like, "if veriat flips town I'm coming after these ppl tomorrow" or w/e he said just makes him look even worse. Scum are more calculated than that because they have to be. And based on what I gather from his posting style, Golden would be an exceptionally calculated scum. | ||
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On May 04 2012 17:50 The_Zen_Man wrote: clipped Please make a better explanation to why i should be "turbolynched" if lazer flips scum? Also, try to read all of the thread before forming a opinion. Re the turbolynch comment, lazer's position on you and the other dude (i forget who it was) makes you and the other guy very unlikely town/town if lazer is scum. the fact taht you're likely a townsperson based on veriat's case on you actually makes lazer a more likely villager. Don't take it personally if I think you're a scum. It's probably more beneficial for you if I give you my thoughts as I go along so you can see how I'm thinking more clearly. I should read teh whole thread all at once but I feel like i would forget too much about who said what because I don't know anyone and am not super familiar with this platform for it to be worthwhile. I'm basically going to read ppl through filters and if I see something important, I'll look at entire conversations around posts. I also work a lot so I do have time constraints. | ||
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On May 05 2012 00:40 nreekay324 wrote: Agreeably, Golden's concise and clear posting is indicative of him being clever/calculated. But does this really mean that he's a mastermind mafia as well? If the mafia had intentionally planned for veriat to be bussed from the start, and they were all clear about this, then it makes sense that the mafia wouldn't be the last vote (more likely the first vote). But this is making many assumptions about Golden, and the mafia. This leads me to wonder things like, what if Veriat opted-out mid-day1 and Golden decided he'd rather be on the bandwagon when he flips then off? Sure, he didn't get definitive credit for the veriat lynch, but what if he was just trying to get (at least some) town credibility in general? What if he was just annoyed at veriat, and as the opportunity presented itself, he just decided to boot him? I'll re-read the case against Golden, Jailbreaker's response/apology, and try looking at WSM again; but I think Marv's case against Golden is the best lead right now. This replacement stuff is really confusing reads though (not directed at you specifically sexdoll, but as there have been two replacements, it's annoying.) If there is ever a plan for scum to bus each other, they're going to make sure that they are the ones who get credit for lynching their bro. They do this by pushing them hard and leading the lynch. If a strategy was involved, tacking on was not part of it. | ||
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[QUOTE]On May 04 2012 23:40 SexDoll wrote: I want to talk about something specific in marv's case that was brushed aside when he made his case, but is actually super important. When he said, my scum leads are Aces, x and Veriat, then he says he's fine with lynching veriat, Marv says taht this is super scummy, which doesn't make any sense. Scum in that scenario say stuff like, "Veriat is fine but I prefer Aces." They don't volunteer their bros to get lynched like that. Oh common, You know people say (the bolded) all the time as m/m. And as for Golden's vote, I've already said so, but he said "I happy to lynch Veriat" at some point in the day. At that point, he has to vote Veriat every time even if he's m/m with veriat. Because if he doesn't he just outed 2 of the mafia. You got put in a crappy situation and you're prolly a mafia. Sorry Bro :/[/QUOTE] the bold part is gross tonewise [QUOTE]On May 05 2012 02:09 The_Zen_Man wrote: Golden/SexDoll is starting to look more and more suspicous to me as more people post cases against him and not only WhySoMuch. Before i thought of him as a good townie, who made some cases and encouraged others to do the same. But his leave from the game is very strange, especially since he left not long after marvellosity said he was compiling a post about him. Also, much of what sexdoll says confuses me. Either he is using advanced logic all the time or he is using fail logic all the time. He has gone up to a big spot in my scum reads. I will wait and observe SexDoll some more before i can form a proper opinion, but for now i can say that i am suspicous of him. [/QUOTE] nobody else has posted any cases on golden, and the fact that you think im using advanced logic or failed logic shouldn't give you a lean one way or the other, so it's weird that it does. It seems that ppl are confused about the assumptions I'm making about why Golden did certain things. I can make these assumptions because I know he was a townsperson. My job now is to convince you of the merits for his decisions as a townsperson. I will not be able to conclusively explain why he's a townsperson because I don't know exactly why he did the things he did. I can only guess and try to convince. I'm sure there are logical explanations as to why he would do certain things he did as a scum and all I can do is try to explain why my reasons are more likely. if my timezone math is correct, night is at 6pm EDT so I'll still be at work. Defending myself anymore probably won't be very useful so I'll spend the rest of the time I can trying to find the last scum. I'm fully retracting my whysomuch = towny read btw | ||
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On April 28 2012 05:51 Mordanis wrote: Ummmmmmmmm, Right now Veriat is looking very supsicious. He has only 5 total posts (here is a link right here to his posts) First off, he has one of the fewest post-counts. Secondly, He's bandwaggoning quite a bit. He goes from his post from the start saying His next post and then his third post Finally, he has his own opinion Unfortunately, a blanket anti-lynch platform seems very scummy to me. It gains the town nothing to wait and see who the mafia kills given how much time we have been given before the first day ends. If there were absolutely no way to guess who was scum, I'd agree that a no lynch is better than a totally random lynch. However, the first day seems a bit long so that we can have a very good discussion before our decision. + Show Spoiler [confession] + Yes, I have essentially flipped entirely from my earlier stance on lynching. I was however, under the impression that we were almost half-way to the first decision point when I first posted. I will do my best act on better information. mordanis probably not scum | ||
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On April 28 2012 18:26 Veriat wrote: Ok here are my thoughts on who are the scum: The_Zen_Man nreekay324 Jailbreaker The_Zen_Man You're stance on the "lynch no lynch" discussion has left me a little puzzled, and your overall playstyle seem fishy to me, so you're getting my vote. nreekay324 All your posts just seem off and scummy. Many of them seem rushed or flawed, and you basically just jumped the bandwagon with your early vote on Why_So_Much. On a side note i did find Why_So_Much's playstyle kind of off, but i don't think he's scum, because then why would you vote for him? Jailbreaker You've my number 3 due to consistent flaws in your previous posts. how likely is it that veriat puts 3 townspeople in his scum list right before he dies? this is the only mention he makes of nreeky that I could find in his filter. he will be the next person i read | ||
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town > scum SexDoll Marvellosity The_Zen_Man Mordanis WhySoMuch Pure-SC2 Lazermonkey nreekay324 | ||
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Read through all of his posts and the element of trying to figure things out isn't there. He's going through the motions and doing what he can to appear like he's hunting scum. Some things that stuck out for me were that: 1) he doesn't mention Veriat AT ALL on d1 2) once Veriat flips scum he tries to do a spew analysis which is a very easy thing for a scum to do because a lot of it will be very very subjective and it allows him to tailor his reads very easily to his own agenda. Not that reading for spew is inherently scummy, it's just that it's often the case that if the bulk of someone's work is spew analysis, theyre more likely to be scum. 3) he does stuff where he goes back and explains what he was thinking at a prior time. This is ANOTHER thing that scum can and will do often. This allows him to do something for a scummy reason, then go back and reverse engineer an explanation for his actions that evidence him being towny. 4) his weird vote on whysomuch at the very start of the game and his subsequent jokey explanation once he got heat for it. (he first gave some cursory explanation, then said it was just because he doesn't like twilight) But really the read comes from a lack of genuine participation in scum hunting. I also get teh feeling that the only person actually entertaining the idea that I'm not scum is the guy who made teh big case on golden, Marv. And that's not very good | ||
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On May 05 2012 03:55 Lazermonkey wrote: I'm sorry for not posting in a while, I've been really busy IRL. Will be posting as fast as I can now! Is this supposed to be sarcastic? | ||
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On May 05 2012 05:18 Lazermonkey wrote: Reading through the thread I see most people are suspicious of Golden/SexDoll. I wasn't sure that he was scum before but reading what everyones been posting I feel more convinced now than before. I havn't really been able to find any new things on him tho. I'm okay with voting him tho, as I still feel he have passed WhySoMuch on my scum-list. Regarding The_Zen_Man - I feel my post was very rushed two days ago. What I meant to say was that The_Zen_Man didn't deserve his "untouchable" status he gained after D1. While it may be WIFOM to discuss I feel it is a great possibilty that he posted a case on Veriat in order to look contrubuting and all. That was how I feelt two days ago. After the day one lynch he have always been the one who jumps on teh bandwagon. First with WhySoMuch, when the vote then swang he quickly were in favor of a lynch Jailbreaker. He then jumps on SexDoll woth only a few hours left to post. His only arguement against Golden seems either to be WIFOM or saying that he wasn't contributing. All in all, if SexDoll flips scum I will be convinced that he is town. If not, I am quite positive to that he is scum. give examples about the bolded as quickly as possible please | ||
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On May 05 2012 05:35 Lazermonkey wrote: + Show Spoiler + On May 05 2012 05:25 SexDoll wrote: give examples about the bolded as quickly as possible please Basically marv's case. that case was made a while ago and you said didn't find Golden scummy before, and you also just said that you're read on me changed because of "what everybody's been posting about me". EVERYBODY and HAS BEEN. plural and present tense. it's likely that lazer is just jumping on me because I'm a very possible mislynch | ||
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On May 05 2012 05:42 Lazermonkey wrote: Obviously lying is. But that is not the point. And majority would've been reached with or without you vote. It didn't matter. Sure if we were one vote short and it was 15 minutes to lynch-time. But this was not the case. I don't think it's a waste of time. You've been 100% confirmed town since D1 and have had an insanly easy time to blend in. Yet if you ignore your case on Veriat I'd say you would be a very strong scumread for me. it's veriat's case on zen more than zens case on veriat for me that makes him a likely villager | ||
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On May 05 2012 05:49 The_Zen_Man wrote: I am still conflicted on wether to vote on you or SexyDoll, as you are equally scummy. Could some other people post their views on Lazer and SexyDoll? this is just so awful | ||
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and I'm now of hte mind that thezenman being a villager is contingent on the fact that he doesnt really know what he's doing | ||
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that interaction is his only redeemable quality I've seen from him | ||
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On May 05 2012 06:24 Pure-SC2 wrote: I'm not really here (got 5 minutes before I have to go). I've just quickly read though the latest posts and it's moving really quick. @Sexdoll - what do you find suspicious about me? POE I haven't read you much and have reasons to call the others townspeople | ||
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On May 05 2012 06:54 marvellosity wrote: Yes, and did you read nreekay's filter like i said? do you not think is similar play to this game? yes there were similarities but subtle differences. don't have time to go into it. my read is much less strong on him atm | ||
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lol spam filter making me wait to post yay once again, ppl are confusing golden's poor play for scummy play this is a big leak in your games you should probably try to fix it | ||
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On May 05 2012 06:56 marvellosity wrote: Please try to go into it post that sticks out is one where he was talking about someone's role and was afraid of getting owned because he thought something they did was villagery but he thought if that person was good enough he could do it as scum. it shows a legit fear that new townspeople often have. haven't seen similar thought patterns in this game. not specifically that thought, but towny thoughts im dead you guys suck | ||
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nice shot mordi i do agree with WSM that vigs should be used as early as possible. getting killed before you get a chance to use it hurts a lot. | ||
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On May 07 2012 03:45 SexDoll wrote: gg town nice shot mordi i do agree with WSM that vigs should be used as early as possible. getting killed before you get a chance to use it hurts a lot. To explain a little further, assume that after d1, you have a list of players and arrange them from most towny to most scummy. Scum will be making their kills from the top of the list. If you take your shot at someone at the bottom of the list, even if you don't kill a scum, you'll likely kill a mislynch, which is almost as important. You're still increasing your chances | ||
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