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[QUOTE]On May 01 2012 18:26 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'll post the second part of my thoughts of all the players so far, first one can be found here : ).
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Marvellosity - I claimed Aces to be town not due to his play but due to the events of D1 even though his own play were quite strange. So far your play seems town to me, and my view on you/Aces is unchanged.
Mordanis - You pushed the lynch at Veriat harder than most people. Arguable maybe the hardest. You will remain town for me for at least some time.
Golden - This is a harder one, your vote D1 seems WIFOM to discuss. Either your scum and you tried to save Verait as hard as you possibly could. Not voting Verait make you look scummy. You can also be town and just didn't think he was scum. Other than that, your play seems okay. The only thing a find a little strange is that excluding the first half of D1 Jailbreaker havn't been on your list of suspicious people at all. What is your opinion on him? Do you think that he is town now and if so, why? My impression from this post is that you still find him somewhat suspicious, but it's hard to make any analysis on this matter as it is the first time you mention him since D1:
[QUOTE]On May 01 2012 11:23 O.Golden_ne wrote:
1. Nreekay324
You posted a decent argument against Jailbreaker in a spoiler on your D1 Summary post. [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331498&user=248687]Nreekay324's Filter[/url]
What would it take to change your vote from AcesAnoka (marvellosity) in the same post, to Jailbreaker? I feel like your argument against Jailbreaker looks stronger than this one against AcesAnoka (marvellosity):
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A number of arguments have been made, and not much to add to them because he hasn’t been posting much. He, like other lurkers, should be pressured D2. What got the successful D1 lynch was from pressuring lurkers (yomi called out veriat for this very reason). We need to keep this up.[/quote]
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Overall Golden seems town atm but that is subject to change.
nreekay324 - Hmm, I clearly feel your activity during D1 wasn't great at all. You only posts were mostly centered around yomi being scum, which we for sure isn't true now. Your latest post was good tho and you answered for at least some of the allegations against you. The only thing about this post is that is confusing to me is your vote on Aces:
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Sense is not made here. I don't really understand why you are voting Aces at all. Overall, your gameplay is at times good and at times quite confusing and I'm not sure whether you newbie town or scum.
Splinter - Lurking at the moment, and havn't been posting anything of substance since D1, where he posted a case vs Aces. He was the one who started the suspicion on Aces. Can't do to much analysis in this case as it's very WIFOM. Either he is scum and wanted to capitalize on the confusion in Aces posts or he was town and thought the play in fact was scummy. Needs to be stepping up hardcore.
Conclusion/TL;DR
Townies:
The_Zen_Man
Pure
Dunno yet:
O.Golden_ne(although I'm leaning town here)
Marvellosity(same as above)
Mordanis(same as above)
WhySoMuch
nreekay324
Scum:
Splinter[eP](due to lurking)
Jailbreaker(strongest read due to major holes and confusion in play)
I'll post the second part of my thoughts of all the players so far, first one can be found here : ).
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My reads so far, from most likely town to dunno relly to most likely scum:
Nova/The_Zen_Man - Like everyone already said, their actions can't be explained in any other way that they are twonies.
AcesAnoka - My prime suspect from day 1. Like a said before, Him being scum doesn't make alot of sense to me atm. Mafia would just spread votes between him and Verait. However I think that he is play is quite strange. The only thing he posted after he got him from the wedding was some excuses and this:
On April 29 2012 18:03 AcesAnoka wrote:
EDIT: Just read through the whole thread and from what i've seen Veriat looked very suspicious, if I were there my vote would've gone to him too. I already thought it was strange that he was lurking so hard and his reasoning behind his voting was not much.
This is just so strange to say imo. This would be a somewhat safe way to say that he is town because Veriat DID in fact flip scum but what if he wouldn't have? We will never know which is why I feel this post is just so unnecessary. Aces, I'm leaning town on you but not because of your play. Step up and contribute!
WhySoMuch - Orginally you were town for me. But I share the concerns of Golden against you. I am also a bit puzzled by your night play also feel. Sure you added some cool points, but why not do it later? This would ensure that scum had no time to switch their votes if you really were that afraid of getting killed.
On April 29 2012 08:50 WhySoMuch wrote:
I think I'm going to get all my thoughts out there during this night period because I believe I am a likely target for tonight's kill. Hence my posting. The Mafia isn't stupid and they know who they should kill, posting isn't really gonna give them any clues on who to kill. Obviously you could also try to level with them if you are not a power role to draw the kill as well.
If you choose not to post I don't think it's a bad thing, but I think we can use tonight to get a jump on tomorrow
I also don't like this post. Feels like you are baiting medics/jailers here.
Jailbreaker - Not posting much that can be usefull as of yet. And he just added this post:
On April 30 2012 16:13 Jailbreaker wrote:
Mordanis -
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All I get is a scum vibe from you on this post. But i feel like i don't have enough info on you to make a significant case against you. Seeing how I take individual posts instead of looking at the context of the posts.
will post more when i have a goodnight sleep
Which only increases my suspicion of him. If you check his filter you can also spot of mass escuses on why he is posting so "scummy" things.
His play with yomi/Verait also is pointing towards him being scum but people have already talked about that enough, which is why I don't include it in this post. Overall this is my strongest scumread atm.
I am too lazy to complete the list as I havn't really got very strong reads of Mordanis, Splinter[eP], nreekay324 and golden(don't think I missed anyone, did I?). Will update this post later on with my read on theese guys!
Nova/The_Zen_Man - Like everyone already said, their actions can't be explained in any other way that they are twonies.
AcesAnoka - My prime suspect from day 1. Like a said before, Him being scum doesn't make alot of sense to me atm. Mafia would just spread votes between him and Verait. However I think that he is play is quite strange. The only thing he posted after he got him from the wedding was some excuses and this:
On April 29 2012 18:03 AcesAnoka wrote:
EDIT: Just read through the whole thread and from what i've seen Veriat looked very suspicious, if I were there my vote would've gone to him too. I already thought it was strange that he was lurking so hard and his reasoning behind his voting was not much.
This is just so strange to say imo. This would be a somewhat safe way to say that he is town because Veriat DID in fact flip scum but what if he wouldn't have? We will never know which is why I feel this post is just so unnecessary. Aces, I'm leaning town on you but not because of your play. Step up and contribute!
WhySoMuch - Orginally you were town for me. But I share the concerns of Golden against you. I am also a bit puzzled by your night play also feel. Sure you added some cool points, but why not do it later? This would ensure that scum had no time to switch their votes if you really were that afraid of getting killed.
On April 29 2012 08:50 WhySoMuch wrote:
I think I'm going to get all my thoughts out there during this night period because I believe I am a likely target for tonight's kill. Hence my posting. The Mafia isn't stupid and they know who they should kill, posting isn't really gonna give them any clues on who to kill. Obviously you could also try to level with them if you are not a power role to draw the kill as well.
If you choose not to post I don't think it's a bad thing, but I think we can use tonight to get a jump on tomorrow
I also don't like this post. Feels like you are baiting medics/jailers here.
Jailbreaker - Not posting much that can be usefull as of yet. And he just added this post:
On April 30 2012 16:13 Jailbreaker wrote:
Mordanis -
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All I get is a scum vibe from you on this post. But i feel like i don't have enough info on you to make a significant case against you. Seeing how I take individual posts instead of looking at the context of the posts.
will post more when i have a goodnight sleep
Which only increases my suspicion of him. If you check his filter you can also spot of mass escuses on why he is posting so "scummy" things.
His play with yomi/Verait also is pointing towards him being scum but people have already talked about that enough, which is why I don't include it in this post. Overall this is my strongest scumread atm.
I am too lazy to complete the list as I havn't really got very strong reads of Mordanis, Splinter[eP], nreekay324 and golden(don't think I missed anyone, did I?). Will update this post later on with my read on theese guys!
Marvellosity - I claimed Aces to be town not due to his play but due to the events of D1 even though his own play were quite strange. So far your play seems town to me, and my view on you/Aces is unchanged.
Mordanis - You pushed the lynch at Veriat harder than most people. Arguable maybe the hardest. You will remain town for me for at least some time.
Golden - This is a harder one, your vote D1 seems WIFOM to discuss. Either your scum and you tried to save Verait as hard as you possibly could. Not voting Verait make you look scummy. You can also be town and just didn't think he was scum. Other than that, your play seems okay. The only thing a find a little strange is that excluding the first half of D1 Jailbreaker havn't been on your list of suspicious people at all. What is your opinion on him? Do you think that he is town now and if so, why? My impression from this post is that you still find him somewhat suspicious, but it's hard to make any analysis on this matter as it is the first time you mention him since D1:
[QUOTE]On May 01 2012 11:23 O.Golden_ne wrote:
1. Nreekay324
You posted a decent argument against Jailbreaker in a spoiler on your D1 Summary post. [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331498&user=248687]Nreekay324's Filter[/url]
What would it take to change your vote from AcesAnoka (marvellosity) in the same post, to Jailbreaker? I feel like your argument against Jailbreaker looks stronger than this one against AcesAnoka (marvellosity):
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A number of arguments have been made, and not much to add to them because he hasn’t been posting much. He, like other lurkers, should be pressured D2. What got the successful D1 lynch was from pressuring lurkers (yomi called out veriat for this very reason). We need to keep this up.[/quote]
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Overall Golden seems town atm but that is subject to change.
nreekay324 - Hmm, I clearly feel your activity during D1 wasn't great at all. You only posts were mostly centered around yomi being scum, which we for sure isn't true now. Your latest post was good tho and you answered for at least some of the allegations against you. The only thing about this post is that is confusing to me is your vote on Aces:
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[QUOTE]On May 01 2012 01:52 nreekay324 wrote:
Jailbreaker
1) Only vote on yomi, and yomi was shot night cycle.
2) Posts don’t seem to have a lot of content, there’s a lot of summary and weak accusations/ questioning.
3) This quote in particular;
[QUOTE]On April 29 2012 04:09 Jailbreaker wrote:
nonononononono water you guys doin? you planet all wrong.
Can't you see that other players are trying to rush people into a decision so fast??
Just because we dun have a majority vote, doesn't mean we should rush.
Even though I voted for Yomi so fast in the game, i didn't rush. Just like what golden says, stay clam and dont panic.
I know its fail logic right here, no apollo-gies here on my part.
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This was a decent amount of time before the lynch-veriat train really started rolling, jailbreaker tries to advocate against it. He doesn’t provide any case in favor of Veriat however, and just side-steps the issue.
4) And then this,
[QUOTE]On April 30 2012 16:13 Jailbreaker wrote:
Since I voted to horribly wrong, I'm going to delay my vote until it is closer to the deadline.
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It’s like jailbreaker wants to let other people make cases for him, so that he can choose the safest one to vote for and thus remain safe.
4) Was on Veriat’s “scum” list. I”ll defer to whysomuch for this;
[QUOTE]On April 29 2012 09:12 WhySoMuch wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 28 2012 18:26 Veriat wrote:
Ok here are my thoughts on who are the scum:
The_Zen_Man
nreekay324
Jailbreaker
Acesanoka
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##vote: AcesAnoka
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Jailbreaker
1) Only vote on yomi, and yomi was shot night cycle.
2) Posts don’t seem to have a lot of content, there’s a lot of summary and weak accusations/ questioning.
3) This quote in particular;
[QUOTE]On April 29 2012 04:09 Jailbreaker wrote:
nonononononono water you guys doin? you planet all wrong.
Can't you see that other players are trying to rush people into a decision so fast??
Just because we dun have a majority vote, doesn't mean we should rush.
Even though I voted for Yomi so fast in the game, i didn't rush. Just like what golden says, stay clam and dont panic.
I know its fail logic right here, no apollo-gies here on my part.
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This was a decent amount of time before the lynch-veriat train really started rolling, jailbreaker tries to advocate against it. He doesn’t provide any case in favor of Veriat however, and just side-steps the issue.
4) And then this,
[QUOTE]On April 30 2012 16:13 Jailbreaker wrote:
Since I voted to horribly wrong, I'm going to delay my vote until it is closer to the deadline.
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It’s like jailbreaker wants to let other people make cases for him, so that he can choose the safest one to vote for and thus remain safe.
4) Was on Veriat’s “scum” list. I”ll defer to whysomuch for this;
[QUOTE]On April 29 2012 09:12 WhySoMuch wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 28 2012 18:26 Veriat wrote:
Ok here are my thoughts on who are the scum:
The_Zen_Man
nreekay324
Jailbreaker
Acesanoka
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A number of arguments have been made, and not much to add to them because he hasn’t been posting much. He, like other lurkers, should be pressured D2. What got the successful D1 lynch was from pressuring lurkers (yomi called out veriat for this very reason). We need to keep this up.
##vote: AcesAnoka
##FOS: Jailbreaker
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Sense is not made here. I don't really understand why you are voting Aces at all. Overall, your gameplay is at times good and at times quite confusing and I'm not sure whether you newbie town or scum.
Splinter - Lurking at the moment, and havn't been posting anything of substance since D1, where he posted a case vs Aces. He was the one who started the suspicion on Aces. Can't do to much analysis in this case as it's very WIFOM. Either he is scum and wanted to capitalize on the confusion in Aces posts or he was town and thought the play in fact was scummy. Needs to be stepping up hardcore.
Conclusion/TL;DR
Townies:
The_Zen_Man
Pure
Dunno yet:
O.Golden_ne(although I'm leaning town here)
Marvellosity(same as above)
Mordanis(same as above)
WhySoMuch
nreekay324
Scum:
Splinter[eP](due to lurking)
Jailbreaker(strongest read due to major holes and confusion in play)
Hi, just one thing - on your comments against Golden and his voting behaviour at the end of Day 1. I really don't see a scum play here, I actually see the opposite. Golden had a case against Aces (which was closely aligned with my own thoughts on him), and prior to the shift onto Veriat had already stated his suspicions on him. At the time I voted for Veriat, I had scum readings on both Veriat and Aces, however did feel stronger towards my read on Veriat which was what influenced my vote. When I read Golden's filter at the time, he wanted people to explain why they thought Veriat was more suspicious than Aces which is exactly what I wanted as well. He made his vote in the hour leading up to the deadline and I cannot see a scum motivation for this as it sealed the fate of Veriat the scum to be lynched. If he was scum, there was absolutely no reason to make that vote.
Other than that, I have similar reads to you (I need more from Marvellosity at this stage, and have nreekay as a possible scum read) and like your contribution.
