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Ottoxlol
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
735 Posts
April 26 2012 20:16 GMT
#1601
no, he says to jail and or track BK when if I am scum its worthless since that would mean BK is town.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 26 2012 20:17 GMT
#1602
On April 27 2012 05:16 Ottoxlol wrote:
no, he says to jail and or track BK when if I am scum its worthless since that would mean BK is town.


BK is town because... he was one of the deciding votes who saved you? No.

BK could go either way.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Ottoxlol
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
735 Posts
April 26 2012 20:21 GMT
#1603
If you think i am 100% scum then BK is town. the votes were 7 6 for Zeph at 07:26, plenty of time till the deadline with you and Matt saying you will vote for me. If he would have been scum he could easily voted before you guys (08:36) making the Risen switch unnecessary
Ottoxlol
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
735 Posts
April 26 2012 20:22 GMT
#1604
i mean laya
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 26 2012 20:25 GMT
#1605
I have already made the point myself that Broodking could (and if he were scum, should in my opinion) have voted on zephirdd way earlier than he did.

But in no way would the fact that he failed to do so clear him if you are scum. To repeat, his was one of the votes that helped save you. THIS DOES NOT MAKE HIM TOWN.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Ottoxlol
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
735 Posts
April 26 2012 20:33 GMT
#1606
Sure, sorry I did not count for the BK is scum, but he failed theory
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
April 26 2012 22:15 GMT
#1607
On April 26 2012 09:10 Risen wrote:
I pretty much confirmed myself as the person to be lynched tomorrow when I panicked. I'm sorry. Good luck town. I'll make the requisite posts tomorrow so I'm not modkilled and I'll post as many cases as I can.

t(ツ)t
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
April 26 2012 22:16 GMT
#1608
Night ends in a few hours, right?
t(ツ)t
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 26 2012 22:16 GMT
#1609
Yep. And it's too quiet :<
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
April 26 2012 22:17 GMT
#1610
ottox's continuous defense of BK is weird.
t(ツ)t
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 26 2012 22:22 GMT
#1611
And Bill Murray still says nothing, nor St. Daniel.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
April 26 2012 22:25 GMT
#1612
On April 27 2012 07:17 PaqMan wrote:
ottox's continuous defense of BK is weird.


Truth PaqMan, Truth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
April 26 2012 22:26 GMT
#1613
On April 27 2012 07:22 marvellosity wrote:
And Bill Murray still says nothing, nor St. Daniel.


St.Daniel = Inactive
BillMurray = Lurking

imo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
April 26 2012 22:28 GMT
#1614
On April 27 2012 05:21 Ottoxlol wrote:
If you think i am 100% scum then BK is town. the votes were 7 6 for Zeph at 07:26, plenty of time till the deadline with you and Matt saying you will vote for me. If he would have been scum he could easily voted before you guys (08:36) making the Risen switch unnecessary

strictly speaking this is incorrect
Mattchew had voted for BM and his vote would not have changed who ended up being lynched and it's possible that the mafia may not have anticipated that he would change his vote.

As soon as i got back to the thread i began to push MG and my vote was on him. Ottoxlol also seemed to think that i would vote for zephirdd over him, because he said that he thought that i thought he was town. + Show Spoiler +
try saying that 3 times quickly


I didn't say i would change my vote until 8:02. Only at that point would mafia know they needed to act. From this point onwards mafia would be able to decide on what to do. If they were discussing it is unlikely that they would make their decision immediately. Ottoxlol did try to get me to change my vote. If Broodkingexe had voted at this time in he would have to deal with attention, questions and responsibilty for the flip. There was still time for him to slip up or for townies to change their votes.
It's also short sighted to expect anyone (including mafia) to play optimally and if you are reading the game at all i think you will agree with that, but there are limits as to what kind of play is plausible and what kind of play is intentionally anti-town.

A townie that makes a case against a player he really believes is scum would have to be out of their right mind to not post for hours and then pop back in with a line and a vote 8 minutes before the deadline and that this caused a mislynch. That play while not optimal for scum would still make lots of sense.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 26 2012 22:28 GMT
#1615
On April 27 2012 07:26 Mementoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 07:22 marvellosity wrote:
And Bill Murray still says nothing, nor St. Daniel.


St.Daniel = Inactive
BillMurray = Lurking

imo


Right, but that doesn't help us much one way or another.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
April 26 2012 22:33 GMT
#1616
Let's get some discussion going?
I wish I hadn't voted for Zephirdd but I wanted my vote to count, and I had no support for Risen. My reason for voting him over Ottox was that I believed Ottox was just a bad townie. Ghosts's posts are good, they'e just about convinced me otherwise. Idk but it's also kind of strange how he keeps declaring that BK and Risen are town.


On April 27 2012 04:34 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 04:29 layabout wrote:
On April 27 2012 04:10 johnnywup wrote:
ghost, ive addressed that. i had the same thoughts as you initially but ithought it through and it was barely tied. i dont think scum could have arranged something like that. It's a townie mistake and it's likely he didn't think that the tie would keep the lynch on zeph after he switched back.

You don't think that scum would deliberately change the lynch target at the last second?

Or you don't think that they would try to pass it off as a mistake?

scum have done in the past, most notably
+ Show Spoiler [here] +
In my first game of mafia TL Mafia XLVII
The scumteam commit a huge voteswitch at the end of the day to kill Palmer and BC. A voting update was posted during the switch and as a consequence of that bumatlarge who had been part of the switch accused hum teammates of claiming scum in the thread. Some of them then did claim scum in the thread.



The point is that it's possible but what I have written is possible too. You would have to assume that scum blundered massively by not putting a vote on Zephirdd earlier and avoiding all this. You also have to assume Ottoxlol is scum, and you probably have to assume Ottoxlol is goon for Risen to have saved him like that.

That's a fair amount of assuming - much like you were uncomfortable making the opposite assumptions.

Now, if we are going to lynch Risen, we should be very sure about lynching him on the basis of his entire play this game, not just the moment of retardation/scummyness at voting close. Because if Risen is scum, then we get Ottoxlol for free.

So we'd better be bloody sure Risen is scum, because the benefits are so great and obviously town is in terrible shape if we mislynch. This means we have to lynch Risen not just on the basis of the vote swap, but his entire behaviour.


There are numerous cases against Risen. If you're not confident about his alignment I suggest you read those cases and decide.
t(ツ)t
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 26 2012 22:35 GMT
#1617
On April 27 2012 07:33 PaqMan wrote:
Let's get some discussion going?
I wish I hadn't voted for Zephirdd but I wanted my vote to count, and I had no support for Risen. My reason for voting him over Ottox was that I believed Ottox was just a bad townie. Ghosts's posts are good, they'e just about convinced me otherwise. Idk but it's also kind of strange how he keeps declaring that BK and Risen are town.


Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 04:34 marvellosity wrote:
On April 27 2012 04:29 layabout wrote:
On April 27 2012 04:10 johnnywup wrote:
ghost, ive addressed that. i had the same thoughts as you initially but ithought it through and it was barely tied. i dont think scum could have arranged something like that. It's a townie mistake and it's likely he didn't think that the tie would keep the lynch on zeph after he switched back.

You don't think that scum would deliberately change the lynch target at the last second?

Or you don't think that they would try to pass it off as a mistake?

scum have done in the past, most notably
+ Show Spoiler [here] +
In my first game of mafia TL Mafia XLVII
The scumteam commit a huge voteswitch at the end of the day to kill Palmer and BC. A voting update was posted during the switch and as a consequence of that bumatlarge who had been part of the switch accused hum teammates of claiming scum in the thread. Some of them then did claim scum in the thread.



The point is that it's possible but what I have written is possible too. You would have to assume that scum blundered massively by not putting a vote on Zephirdd earlier and avoiding all this. You also have to assume Ottoxlol is scum, and you probably have to assume Ottoxlol is goon for Risen to have saved him like that.

That's a fair amount of assuming - much like you were uncomfortable making the opposite assumptions.

Now, if we are going to lynch Risen, we should be very sure about lynching him on the basis of his entire play this game, not just the moment of retardation/scummyness at voting close. Because if Risen is scum, then we get Ottoxlol for free.

So we'd better be bloody sure Risen is scum, because the benefits are so great and obviously town is in terrible shape if we mislynch. This means we have to lynch Risen not just on the basis of the vote swap, but his entire behaviour.


There are numerous cases against Risen. If you're not confident about his alignment I suggest you read those cases and decide.


And did he ever get more than one vote? During the day cycle clearly I will have to indeed go over the Risen cases and Risen's filter to make my own judgement, yes.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
April 26 2012 22:35 GMT
#1618
On April 27 2012 07:26 Mementoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 07:22 marvellosity wrote:
And Bill Murray still says nothing, nor St. Daniel.


St.Daniel = Inactive
BillMurray = Lurking

imo


Yeah, seeing as St. D was sick and dropped out of his other game, I think that dude's just inactive.
I'd rather have Ottox or Risen lynched over BM. But BM hasn't done anything helpful so I'm not sure what we should do about him.
t(ツ)t
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 26 2012 22:36 GMT
#1619
It bugs me, why do people like BM sign up if they don't intend to actually play?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
April 26 2012 22:36 GMT
#1620
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 27 2012 07:35 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 07:33 PaqMan wrote:
Let's get some discussion going?
I wish I hadn't voted for Zephirdd but I wanted my vote to count, and I had no support for Risen. My reason for voting him over Ottox was that I believed Ottox was just a bad townie. Ghosts's posts are good, they'e just about convinced me otherwise. Idk but it's also kind of strange how he keeps declaring that BK and Risen are town.


On April 27 2012 04:34 marvellosity wrote:
On April 27 2012 04:29 layabout wrote:
On April 27 2012 04:10 johnnywup wrote:
ghost, ive addressed that. i had the same thoughts as you initially but ithought it through and it was barely tied. i dont think scum could have arranged something like that. It's a townie mistake and it's likely he didn't think that the tie would keep the lynch on zeph after he switched back.

You don't think that scum would deliberately change the lynch target at the last second?

Or you don't think that they would try to pass it off as a mistake?

scum have done in the past, most notably
+ Show Spoiler [here] +
In my first game of mafia TL Mafia XLVII
The scumteam commit a huge voteswitch at the end of the day to kill Palmer and BC. A voting update was posted during the switch and as a consequence of that bumatlarge who had been part of the switch accused hum teammates of claiming scum in the thread. Some of them then did claim scum in the thread.



The point is that it's possible but what I have written is possible too. You would have to assume that scum blundered massively by not putting a vote on Zephirdd earlier and avoiding all this. You also have to assume Ottoxlol is scum, and you probably have to assume Ottoxlol is goon for Risen to have saved him like that.

That's a fair amount of assuming - much like you were uncomfortable making the opposite assumptions.

Now, if we are going to lynch Risen, we should be very sure about lynching him on the basis of his entire play this game, not just the moment of retardation/scummyness at voting close. Because if Risen is scum, then we get Ottoxlol for free.

So we'd better be bloody sure Risen is scum, because the benefits are so great and obviously town is in terrible shape if we mislynch. This means we have to lynch Risen not just on the basis of the vote swap, but his entire behaviour.


There are numerous cases against Risen. If you're not confident about his alignment I suggest you read those cases and decide.


And did he ever get more than one vote? During the day cycle clearly I will have to indeed go over the Risen cases and Risen's filter to make my own judgement, yes.


At one point he had 3, but other than that no.
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