EPTTL Mafia 'Area' LIII - Page 81
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Ottoxlol
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 27 2012 05:16 Ottoxlol wrote: no, he says to jail and or track BK when if I am scum its worthless since that would mean BK is town. BK is town because... he was one of the deciding votes who saved you? No. BK could go either way. | ||
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Ottoxlol
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Ottoxlol
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
But in no way would the fact that he failed to do so clear him if you are scum. To repeat, his was one of the votes that helped save you. THIS DOES NOT MAKE HIM TOWN. | ||
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Ottoxlol
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
On April 26 2012 09:10 Risen wrote: I pretty much confirmed myself as the person to be lynched tomorrow when I panicked. I'm sorry. Good luck town. I'll make the requisite posts tomorrow so I'm not modkilled and I'll post as many cases as I can. | ||
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PaqMan
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marvellosity
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PaqMan
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marvellosity
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On April 27 2012 07:17 PaqMan wrote: ottox's continuous defense of BK is weird. Truth PaqMan, Truth | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On April 27 2012 07:22 marvellosity wrote: And Bill Murray still says nothing, nor St. Daniel. St.Daniel = Inactive BillMurray = Lurking imo | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On April 27 2012 05:21 Ottoxlol wrote: If you think i am 100% scum then BK is town. the votes were 7 6 for Zeph at 07:26, plenty of time till the deadline with you and Matt saying you will vote for me. If he would have been scum he could easily voted before you guys (08:36) making the Risen switch unnecessary strictly speaking this is incorrect Mattchew had voted for BM and his vote would not have changed who ended up being lynched and it's possible that the mafia may not have anticipated that he would change his vote. As soon as i got back to the thread i began to push MG and my vote was on him. Ottoxlol also seemed to think that i would vote for zephirdd over him, because he said that he thought that i thought he was town. + Show Spoiler + try saying that 3 times quickly I didn't say i would change my vote until 8:02. Only at that point would mafia know they needed to act. From this point onwards mafia would be able to decide on what to do. If they were discussing it is unlikely that they would make their decision immediately. Ottoxlol did try to get me to change my vote. If Broodkingexe had voted at this time in he would have to deal with attention, questions and responsibilty for the flip. There was still time for him to slip up or for townies to change their votes. It's also short sighted to expect anyone (including mafia) to play optimally and if you are reading the game at all i think you will agree with that, but there are limits as to what kind of play is plausible and what kind of play is intentionally anti-town. A townie that makes a case against a player he really believes is scum would have to be out of their right mind to not post for hours and then pop back in with a line and a vote 8 minutes before the deadline and that this caused a mislynch. That play while not optimal for scum would still make lots of sense. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 27 2012 07:26 Mementoss wrote: St.Daniel = Inactive BillMurray = Lurking imo Right, but that doesn't help us much one way or another. | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
I wish I hadn't voted for Zephirdd but I wanted my vote to count, and I had no support for Risen. My reason for voting him over Ottox was that I believed Ottox was just a bad townie. Ghosts's posts are good, they'e just about convinced me otherwise. Idk but it's also kind of strange how he keeps declaring that BK and Risen are town. On April 27 2012 04:34 marvellosity wrote: The point is that it's possible but what I have written is possible too. You would have to assume that scum blundered massively by not putting a vote on Zephirdd earlier and avoiding all this. You also have to assume Ottoxlol is scum, and you probably have to assume Ottoxlol is goon for Risen to have saved him like that. That's a fair amount of assuming - much like you were uncomfortable making the opposite assumptions. Now, if we are going to lynch Risen, we should be very sure about lynching him on the basis of his entire play this game, not just the moment of retardation/scummyness at voting close. Because if Risen is scum, then we get Ottoxlol for free. So we'd better be bloody sure Risen is scum, because the benefits are so great and obviously town is in terrible shape if we mislynch. This means we have to lynch Risen not just on the basis of the vote swap, but his entire behaviour. There are numerous cases against Risen. If you're not confident about his alignment I suggest you read those cases and decide. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 27 2012 07:33 PaqMan wrote: Let's get some discussion going? I wish I hadn't voted for Zephirdd but I wanted my vote to count, and I had no support for Risen. My reason for voting him over Ottox was that I believed Ottox was just a bad townie. Ghosts's posts are good, they'e just about convinced me otherwise. Idk but it's also kind of strange how he keeps declaring that BK and Risen are town. There are numerous cases against Risen. If you're not confident about his alignment I suggest you read those cases and decide. And did he ever get more than one vote? During the day cycle clearly I will have to indeed go over the Risen cases and Risen's filter to make my own judgement, yes. | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
On April 27 2012 07:26 Mementoss wrote: St.Daniel = Inactive BillMurray = Lurking imo Yeah, seeing as St. D was sick and dropped out of his other game, I think that dude's just inactive. I'd rather have Ottox or Risen lynched over BM. But BM hasn't done anything helpful so I'm not sure what we should do about him. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
On April 27 2012 07:35 marvellosity wrote: And did he ever get more than one vote? During the day cycle clearly I will have to indeed go over the Risen cases and Risen's filter to make my own judgement, yes. At one point he had 3, but other than that no. | ||
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