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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On April 27 2012 07:36 marvellosity wrote: It bugs me, why do people like BM sign up if they don't intend to actually play? To make the game harder/less enjoyable, isn't it obvious? Anyway, hold off on complaining about other people's general play styles until post game. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On April 27 2012 07:42 johnnywup wrote: i dont think anyone persons flip confirms any other person as scum or town, it may increase odds but i don't think that that should be a basis for getting reads on people -.- Generally this is correct. However, Please tell me if you think i am making a mistake in this post click, because the way i see it we can draw those conclusions and we would only be incorrect to do so if multiples absurdities had coincided and all of them are acting to the detriment of our glorious town. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On April 27 2012 07:50 layabout wrote: Generally this is correct. However, Please tell me if you think i am making a mistake in this post click, because the way i see it we can draw those conclusions and we would only be incorrect to do so if multiples absurdities had coincided and all of them are acting to the detriment of our glorious town. I've already given you other plausible possibilities. | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
laya, i think that while that may seem correct it could easily be untrue even if one flips scum. Risen might have been indecisive. In my first game I switched last minute (it lead to lynching a scum in that situation though). If it lead to lynching a town I woulda looked terrible. me looking terrible=/= me being scum, however. It could be an honest mistake that has nothing to do with alignment. It could be a last minute idea by scum, but risen could have dropped the ottox case a long ago in favor of lynching a townie, since the zeph lynch was gaining support. the fact he didn't but switched last second then switched back, rather than "getting a scum read on zeph" earlier tells me it was a townie mistake, because he could have gotten the zeph lynch looking a lot more townie. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On April 27 2012 07:58 johnnywup wrote: I've got to say, I find it hilarious that iGrok has a longer filter than broodking, bm, janaan, and St.Daniel. laya, i think that while that may seem correct it could easily be untrue even if one flips scum. Risen might have been indecisive. In my first game I switched last minute (it lead to lynching a scum in that situation though). If it lead to lynching a town I woulda looked terrible. me looking terrible=/= me being scum, however. It could be an honest mistake that has nothing to do with alignment. It could be a last minute idea by scum, but risen could have dropped the ottox case a long ago in favor of lynching a townie, since the zeph lynch was gaining support. the fact he didn't but switched last second then switched back, rather than "getting a scum read on zeph" earlier tells me it was a townie mistake, because he could have gotten the zeph lynch looking a lot more townie. I agree with this whole post | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
verdict on the voteswitching: not alignment indicative | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On April 27 2012 08:02 johnnywup wrote: verdict on the voteswitching: not alignment indicative but what if...."_____" this doesn't explain the voteswitch therefore the voteswitch is not alignment indicative ? I am sure i said that if ottoxlol flips town then Risen also being town is the most likley scenario..... | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On April 27 2012 08:12 johnnywup wrote: Ok, but did you read my post? I don't think this voteswitching is alignment indicative at all. Just so... it can be a piece to fit into a jigsaw, but it can't be a case in itself. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On April 27 2012 08:12 johnnywup wrote: Ok, but did you read my post? I don't think this voteswitching is alignment indicative at all. Yeah. That made no sense. Votes are how town kills mafia. Ultimately your decision making is centred around trying to influence other votes and how to uses your own vote. When you do something with your vote you will do so for a reason. Figuring out others reasons for what they do with their votes can allow you to deduce their alignment. A voteswitch can be hugely alignment indicative since we can analyse the implications of the switch and geuss at the motivation for it. Is there anything that you DO think can be indicative of alignment? | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
i think its probable he just forgot about the tie rule. If you think he realized "oh, my voteswitch and the voteswitch back will change first majority to zeph, but my vote won't change really", then carry on thinking that, but I don't think that that is what happened. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On April 27 2012 08:24 johnnywup wrote: laya, he switched back. it could be an honest mistake of not thinking about the tie rule. I do find votes alignment indicative but in this specific situation I can't see this being specifically scummy or townie, or revealing of either players alignment based on a flip. his voting on ottox in the first place may be alignment indicative, but the vote switch isn't. i think its probable he just forgot about the tie rule. If you think he realized "oh, my voteswitch and the voteswitch back will change first majority to zeph, but my vote won't change really", then carry on thinking that, but I don't think that that is what happened. If it's an honest mistake then there is basically no chance that Risen is scum. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On April 27 2012 08:24 johnnywup wrote: laya, he switched back. it could be an honest mistake of not thinking about the tie rule. I do find votes alignment indicative but in this specific situation I can't see this being specifically scummy or townie, or revealing of either players alignment based on a flip. his voting on ottox in the first place may be alignment indicative, but the vote switch isn't. i think its probable he just forgot about the tie rule. If you think he realized "oh, my voteswitch and the voteswitch back will change first majority to zeph, but my vote won't change really", then carry on thinking that, but I don't think that that is what happened. I'm somewhere in the middle I think. Like - it looks bad, and the fact of the matter is, his last minute switch DID CHANGE the result. It really could be scum trying to save their KP. On the other hand, it is also entirely possible that Broodking voted late just because he wasn't sure, and he finally voted on who he found scummy, and Risen just fucked up. This is why I said earlier, when we lynch someone tomorrow there better be a good total case on them, not just this voting weirdness. | ||
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
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St.Daniel
United States29 Posts
On April 27 2012 07:42 johnnywup wrote: i dont think anyone persons flip confirms any other person as scum or town, it may increase odds but i don't think that that should be a basis for getting reads on people -.- I agree. We should also consider who someone voted with. For sample, if 2 or more people casted the lynch vote on same person for multiple lynches, thst's something we need to take a look at. Note that my theory doesn't work 100% of times but it is something to think about. | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
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PaqMan
United States1475 Posts
On April 27 2012 08:51 St.Daniel wrote: I agree. We should also consider who someone voted with. For sample, if 2 or more people casted the lynch vote on same person for multiple lynches, thst's something we need to take a look at. Note that my theory doesn't work 100% of times but it is something to think about. Where the hell have you been, and what was up with that ninja vote | ||
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PaqMan
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