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johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 26 2012 22:42 GMT
#1621
i dont think anyone persons flip confirms any other person as scum or town, it may increase odds but i don't think that that should be a basis for getting reads on people -.-
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
April 26 2012 22:44 GMT
#1622
On April 27 2012 07:36 marvellosity wrote:
It bugs me, why do people like BM sign up if they don't intend to actually play?

To make the game harder/less enjoyable, isn't it obvious?
Anyway, hold off on complaining about other people's general play styles until post game.
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 26 2012 22:47 GMT
#1623
Yes you're right. I think the combination of lurkers and mislynching has just got me a little downbeat.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
April 26 2012 22:50 GMT
#1624
On April 27 2012 07:42 johnnywup wrote:
i dont think anyone persons flip confirms any other person as scum or town, it may increase odds but i don't think that that should be a basis for getting reads on people -.-

Generally this is correct.

However,
Please tell me if you think i am making a mistake in this post click, because the way i see it we can draw those conclusions and we would only be incorrect to do so if multiples absurdities had coincided and all of them are acting to the detriment of our glorious town.
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 26 2012 22:51 GMT
#1625
On April 27 2012 07:50 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 07:42 johnnywup wrote:
i dont think anyone persons flip confirms any other person as scum or town, it may increase odds but i don't think that that should be a basis for getting reads on people -.-

Generally this is correct.

However,
Please tell me if you think i am making a mistake in this post click, because the way i see it we can draw those conclusions and we would only be incorrect to do so if multiples absurdities had coincided and all of them are acting to the detriment of our glorious town.


I've already given you other plausible possibilities.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 26 2012 22:58 GMT
#1626
I've got to say, I find it hilarious that iGrok has a longer filter than broodking, bm, janaan, and St.Daniel.




laya, i think that while that may seem correct it could easily be untrue even if one flips scum. Risen might have been indecisive. In my first game I switched last minute (it lead to lynching a scum in that situation though). If it lead to lynching a town I woulda looked terrible. me looking terrible=/= me being scum, however. It could be an honest mistake that has nothing to do with alignment. It could be a last minute idea by scum, but risen could have dropped the ottox case a long ago in favor of lynching a townie, since the zeph lynch was gaining support. the fact he didn't but switched last second then switched back, rather than "getting a scum read on zeph" earlier tells me it was a townie mistake, because he could have gotten the zeph lynch looking a lot more townie.
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
April 26 2012 22:59 GMT
#1627
On April 27 2012 07:58 johnnywup wrote:
I've got to say, I find it hilarious that iGrok has a longer filter than broodking, bm, janaan, and St.Daniel.




laya, i think that while that may seem correct it could easily be untrue even if one flips scum. Risen might have been indecisive. In my first game I switched last minute (it lead to lynching a scum in that situation though). If it lead to lynching a town I woulda looked terrible. me looking terrible=/= me being scum, however. It could be an honest mistake that has nothing to do with alignment. It could be a last minute idea by scum, but risen could have dropped the ottox case a long ago in favor of lynching a townie, since the zeph lynch was gaining support. the fact he didn't but switched last second then switched back, rather than "getting a scum read on zeph" earlier tells me it was a townie mistake, because he could have gotten the zeph lynch looking a lot more townie.


I agree with this whole post
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 26 2012 23:02 GMT
#1628
Alternatively both ottox and zeph are town and risen didn't foresee that zeph could have gotten lynch so made a "scum read" on ottox, assuming risen is scum, thinking he could get an ottox lynch. though this doesn't explain the last minute switch.

verdict on the voteswitching:
not alignment indicative
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
April 26 2012 23:09 GMT
#1629
On April 27 2012 08:02 johnnywup wrote:
Alternatively both ottox and zeph are town and risen didn't foresee that zeph could have gotten lynch so made a "scum read" on ottox, assuming risen is scum, thinking he could get an ottox lynch. though this doesn't explain the last minute switch.

verdict on the voteswitching:
not alignment indicative

but what if...."_____"
this doesn't explain the voteswitch

therefore the voteswitch is not alignment indicative

?
I am sure i said that if ottoxlol flips town then Risen also being town is the most likley scenario.....
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johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 26 2012 23:12 GMT
#1630
Ok, but did you read my post? I don't think this voteswitching is alignment indicative at all.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 26 2012 23:15 GMT
#1631
On April 27 2012 08:12 johnnywup wrote:
Ok, but did you read my post? I don't think this voteswitching is alignment indicative at all.


Just so... it can be a piece to fit into a jigsaw, but it can't be a case in itself.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
April 26 2012 23:18 GMT
#1632
On April 27 2012 08:12 johnnywup wrote:
Ok, but did you read my post? I don't think this voteswitching is alignment indicative at all.

Yeah. That made no sense.
Votes are how town kills mafia. Ultimately your decision making is centred around trying to influence other votes and how to uses your own vote. When you do something with your vote you will do so for a reason. Figuring out others reasons for what they do with their votes can allow you to deduce their alignment. A voteswitch can be hugely alignment indicative since we can analyse the implications of the switch and geuss at the motivation for it.

Is there anything that you DO think can be indicative of alignment?
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johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 26 2012 23:24 GMT
#1633
laya, he switched back. it could be an honest mistake of not thinking about the tie rule. I do find votes alignment indicative but in this specific situation I can't see this being specifically scummy or townie, or revealing of either players alignment based on a flip. his voting on ottox in the first place may be alignment indicative, but the vote switch isn't.

i think its probable he just forgot about the tie rule. If you think he realized "oh, my voteswitch and the voteswitch back will change first majority to zeph, but my vote won't change really", then carry on thinking that, but I don't think that that is what happened.
layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
April 26 2012 23:30 GMT
#1634
On April 27 2012 08:24 johnnywup wrote:
laya, he switched back. it could be an honest mistake of not thinking about the tie rule. I do find votes alignment indicative but in this specific situation I can't see this being specifically scummy or townie, or revealing of either players alignment based on a flip. his voting on ottox in the first place may be alignment indicative, but the vote switch isn't.

i think its probable he just forgot about the tie rule. If you think he realized "oh, my voteswitch and the voteswitch back will change first majority to zeph, but my vote won't change really", then carry on thinking that, but I don't think that that is what happened.

If it's an honest mistake then there is basically no chance that Risen is scum.
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 26 2012 23:32 GMT
#1635
On April 27 2012 08:24 johnnywup wrote:
laya, he switched back. it could be an honest mistake of not thinking about the tie rule. I do find votes alignment indicative but in this specific situation I can't see this being specifically scummy or townie, or revealing of either players alignment based on a flip. his voting on ottox in the first place may be alignment indicative, but the vote switch isn't.

i think its probable he just forgot about the tie rule. If you think he realized "oh, my voteswitch and the voteswitch back will change first majority to zeph, but my vote won't change really", then carry on thinking that, but I don't think that that is what happened.


I'm somewhere in the middle I think. Like - it looks bad, and the fact of the matter is, his last minute switch DID CHANGE the result. It really could be scum trying to save their KP.

On the other hand, it is also entirely possible that Broodking voted late just because he wasn't sure, and he finally voted on who he found scummy, and Risen just fucked up.

This is why I said earlier, when we lynch someone tomorrow there better be a good total case on them, not just this voting weirdness.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
April 26 2012 23:50 GMT
#1636
On April 27 2012 07:15 PaqMan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 09:10 Risen wrote:
I pretty much confirmed myself as the person to be lynched tomorrow when I panicked. I'm sorry. Good luck town. I'll make the requisite posts tomorrow so I'm not modkilled and I'll post as many cases as I can.



He has yet to post.
t(ツ)t
St.Daniel
Profile Joined July 2010
United States29 Posts
April 26 2012 23:51 GMT
#1637
On April 27 2012 07:42 johnnywup wrote:
i dont think anyone persons flip confirms any other person as scum or town, it may increase odds but i don't think that that should be a basis for getting reads on people -.-


I agree. We should also consider who someone voted with. For sample, if 2 or more people casted the lynch vote on same person for multiple lynches, thst's something we need to take a look at. Note that my theory doesn't work 100% of times but it is something to think about.
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johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
April 26 2012 23:52 GMT
#1638
paqman, what was he supposed to respond to? You just quoted him.
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
April 26 2012 23:52 GMT
#1639
On April 27 2012 08:51 St.Daniel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 07:42 johnnywup wrote:
i dont think anyone persons flip confirms any other person as scum or town, it may increase odds but i don't think that that should be a basis for getting reads on people -.-


I agree. We should also consider who someone voted with. For sample, if 2 or more people casted the lynch vote on same person for multiple lynches, thst's something we need to take a look at. Note that my theory doesn't work 100% of times but it is something to think about.


Where the hell have you been, and what was up with that ninja vote
t(ツ)t
PaqMan
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1475 Posts
April 26 2012 23:52 GMT
#1640
ebwop: woops, forgot >.> my bad.
t(ツ)t
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