Space Station Mafia - Page 62

On April 21 2012 12:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'm gonna be brief on the setup.

Town started off with a large amount of items. Because of both town/scum had a thief and the ability to move their items around, I rightly assumed that the number of actual town roles with power would decrease hugely by Day 2 and I was right. Town went from around 14 or so total powers, to 7, to much less than that as the days drew nearer.

A game is balanced with the assumption that town will often use their powers on each other and miss aliens. The town vigilantes were not players I considered to be particularly strong scumhunters but both Node AND risk.nuke hit the money at night AND had the good luck of getting a dayshot upgrade from the technician twice in a row.

Scum had 3 KP, an unblockable hit, a permanent roleblock, a communication block, and had stolen one of the towns KP at a time when there were only 2 medics and neither of the medics had made good choices.

Aliens complained about a lot of things, such as there being "14" power roles at a time when there were only 7 and 3 people with bombs on them who weren't town. They also talked about town having roles that they didn't have at all, such as a watcher/tracker and so on. A later complaint was that town can confirm themselves to eachother. That's not true.

Aliens can obtain/hold/trade items as easily as townies can. There were clues in night PMs, for example, as to whether or not an item was used on you and by who. Someone who was bombed, would receive a clue about it. This does not confirm anyone as a town mad-hatter, because confirmable powers come only from items and not from roles, meaning they are not indicative of alignment. I'm surprised Aliens didn't try to participate more actively in the item trade, since both sides were stupid enough to assume having/using an item meant you were confirmed town.

I blame the loss of the Aliens partly on town luck, perhaps a little bit of setup imbalance, but mostly on failure to take advantage of the terrible play of Sandroba and other townie assumptions and not communicating well.

http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/juxcj36UTTNsA - Alien QT. Read through the whole thing for immense drama between myself and WBG.

I don't have a consolidated document with role or item descriptions but I will post this:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1NOoinv6QX__cn3ra6-6ANvavbp4WBKJ4Uir8X5E4A54/edit?pli=1

Which was used at least early on to organize actions and resolutions.

Town KP was very neutered by splitting up mad hatter bombs.

As far as aliens being unable to counter dayshots or anything, day vigis have never had a counter, the downside to a day vig is they have to announce their shot and bring attention or controversy on themselves immediately and alert mafia to their presence. The aliens can permanently roleblock a player by stealing an item and never returning it tot he game, ensuring that town now has a permanent KP loss.

The main argument between me and WBG is that WBG believed that if aliens stole a KP item, such as a rifle, that they should have their KP upgraded freely. I disagreed, as permanently taking the item out of the game is strong enough and by the way the aliens were planning their actions, they could have easily snowballed to 5 nightly KP near the middle or end of the game. WBG's main concerns were overestimation of how much power town actually had. The actual losses for scum were a result of vigilantes just playing very very well.

I disagreed with the hit on Sandroba. He was the worst player this game, I would have kept him alive for the whole ordeal and stayed mostly unconcerned about town organizing their item usage. By participating in the trade more actively, they could have let more people think of them as "confirmed" but WBG insisted all alien powers were useless except for steal, which only became overpowered when a single player had most of the information in the game and was foolishly feeding the information to WBG.

All in all this was a horrific hosting experience and I doubt I'll ever do it again. Writing 30 paragraphs at night only to be called a liar by scum and yelled at by the people playing the game isn't worth it.

On April 21 2012 17:28 Node wrote:
Holy fuck, will you guys please stop shitting on DrH for giving valid constructive criticisms of your play? You are taking this way too personally, and instead of actually having a discussion (which could be useful for all people who played, observed, or will later read this game) when you disagree you're getting offended and having heated arguments. Kindly stop.

On April 21 2012 17:28 Node wrote:
Holy fuck, will you guys please stop shitting on DrH for giving valid constructive criticisms of your play? You are taking this way too personally, and instead of actually having a discussion (which could be useful for all people who played, observed, or will later read this game) when you disagree you're getting offended and having heated arguments. Kindly stop.

On April 21 2012 17:14 gonzaw wrote:
If you honestly didn't believe that items "confirmed" people (well, to be honest I still don't really know how they worked, perhaps someone thoroughly explaining how they worked would be great) and just did it to pressure people and see how they'd react to you or claim to you, then I guess it's fine.

I don't know if something similar would have happened in Aperture if PMs were allowed.


Meh, maybe that's why I don't play in PM games at all, too much complexity, variance and in most cases confusion, and you need to spend a shitload of time answering/sending PMs and having convos and shit

On April 21 2012 17:40 sandroba wrote:

"Sandroba was playing terribly, threatening to shoot anyone who didn't do exactly what he asked. He threatened to kill VE several times for not returning the DT items he stole and killed Ace for not following his orders."
Clearly I was playing terribly by getting all scum. Real bad play i should have got all scum day 1 instead of day 3 for it to be good. I also never threatened to shoot VE. I questioned to get a read and that was terrible play also cuz I should have known VE was town by default obviously.

On April 21 2012 17:40 sandroba wrote:

"Sandroba was playing terribly, threatening to shoot anyone who didn't do exactly what he asked. He threatened to kill VE several times for not returning the DT items he stole and killed Ace for not following his orders."
Clearly I was playing terribly by getting all scum. Real bad play i should have got all scum day 1 instead of day 3 for it to be good. I also never threatened to shoot VE. I questioned to get a read and that was terrible play also cuz I should have known VE was town by default obviously.

On April 21 2012 17:47 sandroba wrote:

I didn't ever think that. But I knew that if I told everyone I could confirm people scum would delay claims. Scum was scared shitless of claiming. That netted us all scum except wbg, who was exposed by stealing eran and having green check on chaoser.

On April 21 2012 17:48 EchelonTee wrote:


are you always this arrogant and petulant? just let it go

On April 21 2012 17:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I can't tell what you were doing in PM land unfortunately, I stopped paying attention to the thread and alien QT in large part after my arguments with WBG so whatever you did to salvage your play after the shot on Ace went unnoticed, most of what I posted in my post-game was copy pasted from a document I started at that time and hadn't updated.

If all the vig shots were your doing that's good. You did well getting all the information you did, but the shot on Ace was a really bad call. Were you operating under the assumption that thief was a scum-exclusive role as well?

On April 21 2012 17:51 EchelonTee wrote:
fuck that DrH, TL Mafia is just packed with big egos. Take a break, but seriously, don't take how this game went down personally.

On April 21 2012 17:52 sandroba wrote:

Yes. The vigi shot on ace was not accurate. LOL. Am I supposed to be completely infallible? However all the other shots and lynches I orchestrated were. If you compare myself to perfect I'm sure I'll come up short. Sorry. I must suck.