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Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
April 10 2012 20:51 GMT
#381
hold on a sec, i need to grab my connection case that was bad that i made in my first town game.
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Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
April 10 2012 20:56 GMT
#382
On March 16 2012 01:44 Nova_Terra wrote:
I am beginning to notice a connection as well between Eleanthas, Gossemerr, and Inferno. By connection, in some cases, I mean lack of connection. You will see what i mean. I recommend that everybody goes to google images, searches "I haz a hunch" and see the first result.

''But sine either hasn't spoken up lately...'' Inferno had really posted much more. Tough his posts had been him trying to state his earlier posts. Still Inferno had come about 3 hours earlir and defended himself and told, why we should lynch FirmTofu.
~Eleanthas on InfernOokami

The Gossemerr case

In Gossemerr's filter, He mentions Eleanthas a grand total of 1 time, In which he soft defends him by saying he fails to see why Eleanthas was more suspicious than anyone else. In gossemerr's 12 ingame posts, half of them are meaningless 1-2 lines or short answers that can barely be counted as contributing. Then, there is that post that soft defends ele, The post where he decides to lynch Firmtofu without much reasoning on his part, and the post where he says that he thinks firm is town, presents an unlikely situation, and decides to continue lynching him anyway.
Yes, a grand total of 3 posts he makes contain any real information.
In one, he throws a bit of sight to janaans "weird" posting timing, and ends it by trying to make it seem like he isnt trying to direct any attention. In another, he analyzes why we shouldnt no lynch, so a totally worthless post really. In the last, he dreams up a connection between Janaan, Phagga, and myself. Then he votes janaan with little reasoning, and this little reasoning had already been brought up by me. so just restating what i had said. Then add that to how he says phagga makes little analysis, etc.
Also, He appears to want a active lynch instead of a lurker lynch. which didnt bother me originally, but now i can see what this did, if he was a mafia with Eleanthas and InfernO. Ele and Gossemerr had been semi lurking, posting barely any content. InfernO is a hardcore lurker. I think he is trying to distract attention away from lurkers/semi lurkers by his Janaan voting post.
Also, Gossemerr never mentions infernOokami. ever.
And, as i explained in a post or two ago, Gossemerr seems to be here, a lot.

The Eleanthas case

Eleanthas mentions Gossemerr a grand total of ZERO times in his entire filter. He really never adds anything of great value to the table, and when in agreement with someone pretty just restates what they said. Not only is this suspicious within itself, but 2 of eleanthas' 8 Posts soft defend InfernO. On Inferno's first non-lurk post, Ele responds by not questioning his lurking, more just stating that Inferno is trying to lurk, which was relatively obvious, and kind of gives him the free pass by saying that he would like to hear more from Inferno in the future.
In his latest post, he defends Inferno's lurking in a relatively moderate manner. He says that he defends himself, and doesnt seem to have much of a problem with inferno having said the same thing multiple times.
Every now and then he comes in with a 1 or 2 liner to make it seem like he is adding something to the discussion. for instance,
Show nested quote +
Last 2 hours to affect to my vote. Then going to go to sleep.

or
Show nested quote +
I don't really like putting list of guys who should be checked and tell DT to check one of them. If mafia has framer, it makes it too easy to make someone appear as mafia.
Which may seem partially helpful, but all it really does is help is it helps stop the spread of town information.
Or even still
Show nested quote +
I hope that people learn my name by the end of the game or only call me as Ele ^^
Meaningless fluff
continuing
Show nested quote +
Atleast it says you have to have : on vote so making sure my vote counts
yep
and last but not least
Show nested quote +
Ok. Just got first chance to get on computer.
And I think that we should lynch lurker maybe. They are anyways pretty worthless if they don't speak.

Yes, that is 5 of Eleanthas' 8 ingame posts that are 1-2 lines and dont really contribute. Then count the fact that 2 of his other 3 posts have defended Inferno.
Yes, 2 thirds of eleanthas' posts have been to defend or reference inferno's play as not being very suspicious. Then add that with the fact that Inferno has been lurking, and how Eleanthas' first post says that we should lynch a lurker (maybe), and how Eleanthas refuses to suspect inferno.
I am liking this connection more and more.

The InfernOokami7 Case
Lets delve into InfernO's extensive 6 ingame posts. Most of which are made to avoid being replaced, it seems.
One, he asks about his opinion in a question.
Two, he further explains his side.
Three, he adds to it.
Four, he clarifies it
Five, He clarifies a typo
SIX! He finally posts analysis! He distracts from our suspiciousness of his own absence by noting how i seem to have little to say about FirmTofu's absence. at the time, my stances were already being questioned, and therefore this could be seen as an attempt to further find me suspicious. then he uses WIFOM to further prove his side. and attempts to jump onboard the bandwagon which Ele and Gosse had jumped on as well.
All in all, InfernO isnt extremely suspicious, but when coupled with the way Ele and Gosse have been acting about him, i can see in my mind a mafia trio.

I like this hunch. A lot.
I would love to see people's thoughts on this. I worked hard ^^

Okay, that was my connection case from my first game.
The reason why i find this applicable?
Okay, i find your case much different. it is really well presented, as well as 1. original, and 2. based on fact (voting patterns.)
In my case, which is really what i meant by connection case, I decided somebody was scum because or how people acted regarding that person.
Compare that to your case, where you note similarities between the patterns of a couple people and suggest possible teams based on that. Whereas i took soft defenses of people and said OH THATS A TEAM.
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Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
April 10 2012 20:56 GMT
#383
so pretty much your case was different than what i meant by connection case. I should clarify this next time around.
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Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
April 10 2012 20:57 GMT
#384
i need to go for 30 minutes, back before deadline i promise
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LazinCajun
Profile Joined July 2011
United States294 Posts
April 10 2012 21:01 GMT
#385
Ok, I buy it. Your connection case sucked
Bocki
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany98 Posts
April 10 2012 21:04 GMT
#386
On April 11 2012 05:43 BlueyD wrote:
Both were inactive at the start but therapist gave us a plausible reason for his behavior, Bocki has not.


I wasnt inactive, I was just not posting fluff or blindly accusing someone. I was never inactive the whole game.

On April 11 2012 05:43 BlueyD wrote:
When Bocki was asked to contribute he was almost angry about being pulled from the shadows.


I wasnt angry, I told you the reason why I wanted to wait. This is basically the same accusation that you said before, which I explained. This is just warming up stuff to make me look scummy.

On April 11 2012 05:43 BlueyD wrote:
Bocki never had an original thought, he didn't start the attack on me and he didn't start the attack on therapist.


Now I'm scum because I didnt attack no one? If by "no one" you mean yourself, then you might be right. And I didnt attack therapist because he was my #2 scum read and I wanted to get you (my #1 scum read). Since its 3-2, I told lazin and nova (that are my town reads) that I will follow them if they make a better case against therapist... Do I really have to write all of this again? Whoever looks at those posts sees exactly my train of thought. This is again just warming up stuff that has been explained thoroughly by me or others.

On April 11 2012 05:43 BlueyD wrote:
Bocki freaking scumslipped!


... warming up much?

Your whole post was a warming up of stuff that was explained before. Instead of doing what Lazin asked you/therapist to do (make a case against lazin or nova) you reposted stuff from before.
Therapist.
Profile Joined January 2009
United States207 Posts
April 10 2012 21:05 GMT
#387
I'm not sure who is the innocent among Lazin and Nova. I'm looking through both their filters, but I guess I'm just really awful at analysis because I can't tell one way or the other. Everyone seems ridiculously convinced of my guilt, so I'm not sure what I could even say at this point. You are all so convinced, but I can't wait to see which one of you is the total sap when I flip blue.
Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
April 10 2012 21:14 GMT
#388
Therapist insulting your voters isnt a good way to get people to flip off of you. I dont think that i made a mistake that made me a total sap T-T

And yeah lazin, the case was awful
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LazinCajun
Profile Joined July 2011
United States294 Posts
April 10 2012 21:16 GMT
#389
100% non mafia related post:

@Bocki, I like the way you use the phrase warming up. I've never heard that here in the USA. Do you mind if I ask if English is your first language, and if not where you learned it? It's a great expression.
Therapist.
Profile Joined January 2009
United States207 Posts
April 10 2012 21:21 GMT
#390
On April 11 2012 06:14 Nova_Terra wrote:
Therapist insulting your voters isnt a good way to get people to flip off of you. I dont think that i made a mistake that made me a total sap T-T

And yeah lazin, the case was awful


If you continue to vote for me out of spite, then it's an even bigger fail by you. From my end, it's funny to see people being played so hard. I would love to see the facepalm of whoever the remaining townie is when the game is over. None of you seem to entertain the thought that I'm telling the truth even in the slightest, so my investment is rapidly declining in this day.
Bocki
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany98 Posts
April 10 2012 21:23 GMT
#391
@Lazin: really? I thought its a common expression, even in english

Nope, my first language is german. I learned english in school, but since I am working on/with computers for roughly 20 years ( http://ed-thelen.org/comp-hist/vs-ibm-xt.jpg this was my first computer) I learned english mostly due to computer related stuff. learning programming languages, playing the first text based games (you dont want to know how long it took me to figure out some of the words for Leisure Suit Larry 1... first the issue of identifying and THEN the issue of the word in another language ... at age 8 ) and so on. so my english is mainly from computer related stuff or music.

In german, "warming something up" is a common expression if someone brings up old/known stuff to (normally) get on the nerves of someone.

Imagine your mom telling you when you screwed something up: "This is exactly as the time when you did this 10 years ago". That is warming something up.
Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
April 10 2012 21:23 GMT
#392
I live in switzerland Lazin, but i am american. its actually really interesting, how my friends here who speak english as their second language use phrases i've never heard before, but totally make sense.
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Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
April 10 2012 21:26 GMT
#393
Are you joking therapist? i am not voting out of spite, and i have gone over many ways this could turn out. why do you keep saying that i havent? its rude, i've put a lot more effort into this than just ignoring you.
Also, how is a fail on my part if things you did make people vote for you?
Proud supporter of the Basking Rootwalla
Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
April 10 2012 21:28 GMT
#394
And you are laughing at the town (which you claim to be) for being played by the mafia? geeze.
Proud supporter of the Basking Rootwalla
LazinCajun
Profile Joined July 2011
United States294 Posts
April 10 2012 21:30 GMT
#395
I can tell you that Nova really is not voting for you out of spite. He's either innocent in which case he's right (since I know I'm green), or he's mafia, in which case he's making a good play and I will facepalm myself. I don't think getting frustrated is the right reaction, it is just a game

If you're town and you're still not sure on me / nova, just pick one and try to throw a case together. We've both stated that we're open to switching if there's a good case against the other. I agree it's hard to come up with a case against Nova, which is precisely why I think he's inno. If you don't try (and I'm not saying you haven't been, but it appears that way), then you have given up on the game, and again getting frustrated isn't the right reaction.

I can understand not wanting to draw attention to yourself as a blue, but you should try to appear as a townie, not a mafia lurker. Even if you weren't under pressure, I'd be somewhat suspicious of you claiming cop all of a sudden today.
LazinCajun
Profile Joined July 2011
United States294 Posts
April 10 2012 21:34 GMT
#396
I really wish the town got one red to flip earlier in the game. I now appreciate the statement that the town doesn't get any info from lynching another townie lol
Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
April 10 2012 21:35 GMT
#397
Not getting involved and posting 0 content is not how to play blue (or town at all for the record) the same way playing like me isnt how to play blue either.
also i dont know if i'll ever be able to put is much effort into a mafia game ever again. i'm on vacation and i seem to be pouring almost all of my time into this. posts like the last ones by Therapist makes me feel like it was for nothing. doesnt make me a happy camper.
Proud supporter of the Basking Rootwalla
LazinCajun
Profile Joined July 2011
United States294 Posts
April 10 2012 21:36 GMT
#398
Nova: until he flips red, and we realize he just couldn't make a case strong enough to flip the townie votes.

TOWN POWER! :D
Therapist.
Profile Joined January 2009
United States207 Posts
April 10 2012 21:40 GMT
#399
You guys aren't open to changing your votes. You're just being smug/scum at this point. Of course, the joke will be on me if the game ends and Bocki's town and you're BOTH scum. Then my badness at mafia will be complete.
Nova_Terra
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1190 Posts
April 10 2012 21:40 GMT
#400
Haha :D
Yeah, still... its just so depressing to see people who have all but given up while im still trying hard
I would QQ so hard if you were mafia and playing me though. That would sting xD
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