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On April 12 2012 10:27 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 10:15 wherebugsgo wrote:On April 12 2012 10:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
Bugs there are no mountains. Your confirmation bias is palpable. It's not about you thinking I'm scum anymore, it's about you wanting me to flip. And wanting to flip a blue is fucking scummy Bugs. This is fucking stupid, I do NOT think you're scum. Stop acting like an idiot scumbag please. now who's using "confirmed town" to call someone scum? you're not blue to me because if you actually were a blue you wouldn't have played so god damn badly. But I AM blue regardless of what you think. Your doubt does not change my Role PM.
and this is the same logic you're trying to use to call Toad scum.
Congratulations, you just evolved into a bigger hypocrite.
+ Show Spoiler +for anyone who still doesn't get it, Toad calls himself confirmed town because he's under the self-centered notion that, because he knows he himself is town, anyone who calls him scum must be scum because they're pushing a case on a townie
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I'm not confirmed. I'm not even HINTING that I'm confirmed Bugs. Please stop reaching. Please.
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bullshit, you're calling me scummy because I want to lynch a blue (you apparently)
THIS IS THE SAME REASON TOAD CALLED YOU SCUM LOL
It is, I imagine, the same reason you're mad Toad was throwing around "confirmed town"! Every time Toad says that he means the exact same thing you just said!
For having played with Toad as many times if you were town you'd probably realize this right now. But you're not town, so you don't care.
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Toad was insisting that because he told the thread to protect jackal and "he only got hit once" that he's confirmed.
In what way is this in ANY WAY like what I'm doing Bugs? What are you even talking about?
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WBG why are you still here? Just making yourself look like scumbus. Leave the thread, leave your vote on VE. We'll see what happens at tomorrow's lynch. Don't think anyone could have asked for anything more out of you.
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No it doesn't Bugs, you're just saying shit now. This is so useless.
Whatever, I know you don't believe me. I get it. You're very wrong, but that doesn't matter.
For the record though, there's a marked difference between the statements:
I'm confirmed town because I said something in thread
and
I'm blue.
I'm calling you scummy because you're acting like a fucking scumbag Bugs. You've got on blinders and you're just pounding away and you don't care about evidence or reason or logic. You're just pounding away. Even your blisters are breaking and it doesn't matter because you just gotta keep pounding away.
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Blazinghand
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Thats totally what she said. But yeah, the vE case is what it is.
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Yep, same, if VE doesn't get lynched I'm going to start cutting myself. See you guys when I wake up.
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Cool because that's the only aspect of my case that matters right Bugs? Everything else I pointed out is completely useless and meaningless and not indicative of anything, right?
Or is it just that the "confirmed townie" thing is the only thing that you can actually refute with any sort of confidence?
Fine Bugs. I retract my bit about the "confirmed townie" thing making him suspicious to me. Happy? What does that change? Nothing? Because my read wasn't based solely on that aspect? Or even mostly?
God, you do need to leave. Come back when you're thinking clearly.
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Everyone who didn't read BOTH VE and Toads cases/ comment on them.... DO IT.
Everyone who didn't read the context and timing of VE's claim/comment on it..... DO IT.
Everyone else, take a breather think about it outside the thread and come in with a clear mind. Since the claim this thread has been a garbage dump a posts, we still have plenty of time. On that note, I wouldn't mind a vote count soon if possible  .
And.
WILL SANITY BE REVEALED WHEN DT'S FLIP? IF YOU CANNOT ANSWER THIS QUESTION BECAUSE OF BALANCE, JUST RESPOND WITH "I CANT ANSWER THAT"
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Screw you guys. If that's how you want it to be you'll have to lynch a "blue" either way. Obviously VE is not a blue though.
Remember how I said on d1 (or n1?) how GM is basicly trolling me in my pm when BH asked about Role-PM's because he thinks they are done indiviually for each person because according to him his role fit's something about him?
I am a General called Robert Boscawen, Viscount of Falmouth. I am an attention seeking idiot who's family never was important although I made it to become a General. My goal is to finally be noticed after smashing the anti-monarchists.
That's it. Sorry I can't somehow prove my role like VE can (LOL THE IRONY). That's the reason I was posting more than usual. I was trying to look like someone who needs to be eliminated and frankly I am considering how mafia is pushing me.
Sadly I did not get shot yesterday as VE and gonzaw did a really good job shitting up the thread saying I am mafia because of nothing.
I overdid it later on and bombing the thread once I got down on gonzaw was not on purpose but me feeling like I had to. Again it was a lose-lose situation from that point in time for me.
If I don't answer gonzaw screams that I need to die because I don't answer.
If I answer VE screams that I need to die because I am shitting up the thread.
Again Remember how I said on d1 (or n1?) how GM is basicly trolling me in my pm?
I consider this to be kind of a breadcrum although it's useless because I don't have a night action and it's only my role flavor.
That being said I am indeed going to leave the thread for now like risen says and try to go to bed. It's like talking to a wall when I just don't see how people could actually believe that I am mafia and how people could actually believe that VE is town with the most retarded story I have ever heard. I mean this is even worse than dirkzor-bad.
I know the claim does basicly nothing (like VE's !) but in case people actually want to lynch me I just feel obligated to give out every piece of information I have.
Lynching a vet isn't the end of the day, however everyone is thinking VE actually went from #1 MVP or #2 MVP in his games down to straight up worst player in this game and that's why his story somehow makes sense I just can't talk back to that.
I'm going to be back here in something like 8 hours or so. Let's see if people still believe VE is the worst player alive when I wake up and if they do I'll see what I have to do to swing this game around so we can still win.
Night everyone
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On April 12 2012 11:08 Toadesstern wrote:
Remember how I said on d1 (or n1?) how GM is basicly trolling me in my pm when BH asked about Role-PM's because he thinks they are done indiviually for each person because according to him his role fit's something about him?
Wat? I already votr VE
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whats the point of roleclaiming right now toad?
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About Nisani and the stupid "sanity" argument against VE:
On April 12 2012 05:54 Nisani201 wrote:OK I skipped the past 3 pages because I'm lazy. Hopefully nothing important happened there Anyways, there is no way that VE would push so hard on Toad based on an incredibly unreliable DT check. Fakeclaim liar scum.##Unvote
##Vote: VisceraEyesAlso I like this post Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 04:28 Katina wrote:
How have you come to this conclusion of me being Mafia? O.o You come out of lurking to post this? Hopefully we can lynch you tomorrow.
No
Ignore the fact that VE believed his sanity was sane and that "derp if he was town it would be impossible for him to believe his sanity is sane therefore he's scum Q.E.D".
Give extra reasoning for why VE is scum.
All of those that keep posting this same "reason", ignore it and tell me why VE is scum taking his previous play into account. I dare you.
Here are my thoughts about it:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=325046¤tpage=72#1429
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=325046¤tpage=74#1467
About WBG:
I'm not that suspicious of you anymore, because I realized that it's impossible to read this thread and all meaningful posts are buried under all these stupid discussions, so it's not your fault you didn't see some players being suspicious of you, nor you saw the meaningful posts I made about you.
Yet, I maintain that I didn't like your play on D1/N1 where you didn't seem to contribute as much as needed yet you tried to appear that you did, but you are below Toad/VE/BH in the "scummy vet" list.
On April 12 2012 06:26 marvellosity wrote:
wbg, gonzaw, ET: I would appreciate it if you would comment on my 1-for-1 reasoning with regards to VE's claim
A 1 DT for 1 scum trade isn't good when the DT is lynched first and scum get 3 more KP the next night.
About Toad and VE and a possible scumteam:
On April 12 2012 06:33 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 06:27 Katina wrote:
@ Tunkeg: I don't think VE is town just more sure of Toad at the moment. But really you can't be both. You can think neither is scum, that I buy, since VE can have claimed right and have a insane read. But thinking both are scum is a total cop out. You pick a side, and you picked VE's side, now stick to it, don't be so non-commital.
Both Toad and VE are scummy as fuck. Both being scum putting bad cases (initially) against each other, trying to disrupt the whole thread to make an unreadable D2; and then have the survivor of the lynch be basically considered confirmed town is not a stretch, unlikely but by the way both have been playing not a stretch at all.
Like Katina said, both played in AC where Radfield did something similar to Sheth, so both are familiar with that style of scumplay.
On April 12 2012 06:48 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 06:44 Katina wrote:
In Arkham City Radfield faked claimed DT and bussed Sheth. VE and WBG were well aware of it because they were mafia that game. It's reasonable to suspect that Toad and VE this game are Mafia. As I said I think Toad is more suspicious and most of my analysis have been on him. That's why I'm voting for him. Thats good and all. But in that game Sheth was allready under heavy fire when they bussed him. This time around neither Toad or VE was to much of targets before they went at it. If this is a bus, it is the most unlikely bus ever. Keep it simple god damn it, don't make things ahrder then they are. But as you said before you want to take your time to decide, and thats fair enough. But right now you are in VE's camp, thats all.
I was pushing Toad, and I intended to push VE further.
Read that post I made right before the D2 Day-post about both being mafia. The "bus" happened after I posted it.
Either way, thanks ET for posting.
I still don't think Toad is town. His posting style, contributions and activity on D1/N1 doesn't go away by VE dying, nor does the fact that they started this whole scene when I accused both of being scum.
If VE flips scum, then I'll watch Toad very closely, although I won't "tunnel" him (like he calls it) so he can get away with causing more disruption.
After VE is lynched, I'd say we need to, first of all, calm the fuck down. Then CALMLY reread the thread, with a lot of patience and reread the filters of those taking sides in the wagons.
Of course I also made a post signaling those players that tried to de-attatch themselves from the discussion and I'll be posting it after this day ends.
BH definitively needs to die on D3 though, but we'll see when that time arrives.
Okay, I'm not having as many doubts about WBG, and I'm not that doubtful about mafia bussing their own with full-force this day either (in the case of Toad/VE/BH scum team, or any pair of those).
I know VE's town play better than Toads, but apparently Toad getting butthurt and disrupting everything usually happens when he plays.
VE would not let that happen at all, and his D1/N1 behaviour is still damning.
A VE lynch might be the right choice after all.
However, people ignore that stupid "sanity" discussion please.
##Vote:VisceraEyes
P.S: You know, maybe after this day ends we could try to get all meaningful posts from other players into a catalog or something.
As in, posts where:
-The player states his opinion on other players
-The player states his direct opinion on the VE/Toad discussion
I don't really want to reread this Day 2 too many times, and I don't want anybody else to endure the suffering of rereading it later.
I still haven't finished reading page 81 goddammit, but I'm sure that if I post this after I read it all, I'll finish this post in 2 days.
P.S2: Mods, could you include a vote-count on the Voting thread?
There were some badly formatted posts I think and it can make it harder for me to make a personal count of it
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I'm in awe. I've literally never been in this situation before.
I can't be this wrong. Like, obviously I can...but I honestly don't believe it. Convenient, I know, but that's just what it is. Toad has been playing too scummy.
My ass is twitching. This game makes my ass twitch.
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On April 12 2012 08:50 Mementoss wrote:GRACKARONNNNNNNNNNNNNI
GRACKARONNNNNNNI C'mere, where are ya boy? You can't make a name as memorable as that and expect to be forgotten? + Show Spoiler +His last post was page 56, and it commented on whether ET's claim was true or not to give you perspective. I'll give ya one guess to guess what Grackaronis role this game has been: + Show Spoiler +
that's a pretty good summary lol. Sorry guys just haven't kept up with thread and now I have to read around 50 pages of Gonzaw/Ve/Toad/WBG arguing.
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I just wanna kill scum. You need a best friend Grack? I'll be your best friend if you can convince everyone to lynch Toad. I need to sleep for like 48 hours and I'll certainly miss deadline.
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Wait
##Unvote: VisceraEyes
I'm still reading the thread and making my post, but I may end it way too late, so I'll unvote now >_>
I have something more interesting to say too, but I'll try to fucking end reading this aweful thread before doing it 
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On April 12 2012 07:45 EchelonTee wrote:The only experience I've had with Toad was in TL L. In that game, people sort of disregarded him but he pushed his own reads hard hard hard like a btch. He's sort of like that in this game, but honestly as soon as VE made the scummy role claim and people started flooding in calling VE scum, he's been content to let other people do the heavy lifting. I would think that Toad would be driving home this lynch triumphant and proud if he was town. Something else to consider: VE's roleclaim makes little sense from a town perspective, but does it even make sense from a scum perspective? Something to think is that townies often aren't too concerned with how their actions will be perceived. From Ver's guide: Show nested quote +For townies, they'll react to the game long before even considering how suspicious they might or might not look. On the other hand, Mafia are absolutely terrified to do something that will put them in the spotlight and get suspicion on them. A scum doing a fake-claim has to consider all the repercussions of it; will people believe me? is this even a good idea? People in his scum QT would've reminded him "dude paranoid/naive blah blah". This claim could've come from a Town VE, only thinking "yeah dood I'm DT let's claim", which is dumb and unoptimal, but is it primarily a scum move? I feel that a lot of the recent discussion has centered around how VE's roleclaim is scummy. I initially thought "there is no way a town DT would claim". But is there any reason for a scum to fakeclaim? Like people have said, VE wasn't quite guranteed to be lynched yet, him and Toad were neck and neck. So why fakeclaim as scum? Gonzaw what do you think??? pls come back
Well, "vets" fake-claim anything they want whenever they want.
Take AC into account and Radfield claiming DT out of nowhere, when it would seem pointless to claim such as scum (he was scum).
Take for instance iGrok's Balrog claim in that other game, you could say the same.
If say, Mementos, marvellosity, or any other noob was the one claiming, then yes I'd be more inclined to say it's a town move rather than scum.
But this is VE we are talking about, he's experienced enough to create a fake-claim as scum
On April 12 2012 07:13 EchelonTee wrote:
....................................................why is mafia so hard.
I've been re-reading and re-reading the cases on VE and Toad, and the case that Toad brought up against VE is just bad. WBG's case against VE hinges a lot on the fact that VE "didn't have reasons" for voting the people he did, which is a big reason why I didn't like VE either, but VE's big two-part case on Toad kind of... makes a lot of sense.
VE has died d1/n1, like the past 4 games. I could see him getting a blue role and wanting to hide. The bigger red flags for me are the unbreadcrumbed check, and the roleclaim in general, but if VE hadn't roleclaimed at all, I might actually think that Toad was worse.
Gonzaw, what do you think?
I don't know, this day did me, everything is so fucking confusing.
If you told me at the end of N1, I would tell you both VE and Toad are scum and I would lynch any of them without even blinking.
But now there's this monstrous clusterfuck of a thread, with VE being unreasonable and inducing chaos in the first half of it, then claiming and going all puppy-eyes on us begging us to "consider his case" and "reread and think"; while Toad keeps tunneling him and me and adding so much disruption and evading things it's not funny.
Would scum VE go all puppy-eyes on us to get Toad lynched? Would that be part of his fake-claim DT act to create even more chaos and create a scum plan in the case Toad gets lynched (claim he was insane/Toad was framed, in the case Toad is town)?
But fuck, I guess I'll unvote right now (after reading ET's unvote).
ET, if you are active and would like to discuss this more then now's the time, I'll go to sleep in a few hours.
Fuck this shit is so hard
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