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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On April 12 2012 10:04 VisceraEyes wrote: If you read my explanation Bugs, it's because I can read you and Jackal, and because I can totally get down with killing my SCUMREAD to confirm (begin to confirm -.-) my sanity Bugs. ARe you being intentionally dense? I JUST said this. JUST said it. That's just wrong and you call me mafia for using the word confirmed like that. If you are a DT even if you forgot about you're role works WHICH I HIGHLY DOUBT, how are you calling it confirmed when you should know that there could possibly be stuff like framers? You're being hypocritical like I can't believe it. You're telling me I can't use that word like that but it's totally fine when you do? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On April 12 2012 05:03 Risen wrote: Well logic didn't work in GoT for me, we'll see if I can make an appeal to logic based solely on VE being a DT or not Assumptions to be made: 50/50 sane/(paranoid/naive/insane) DT VE claims with next to no pressure on him very early at the start of D2. What does this accomplish? It shits up the thread and makes stupid townies question whether he's actually telling the truth. VE will probably point out that I claimed DT under somewhat similar circumstances in GoT (except mine came at a time when I was certain I was going to die via an unlynchable third party and isn't really all that similar, but he'd probably try to point it out). Guess what the difference is? I was CONFIRMED 100% sane no matter what b/c of how the game was set up. That's not true here at ALL. No town DT would claim there. NO TOWN DT WOULD CLAIM THERE. Explain to me, those who are actually having doubts about VE possibly being scum, how in the Queen's name you could POSSIBLY think VE is town. Ok let's move on to more logic. In GoT I claimed and made it very simple for town. Lynch me today and when I flip town lynch acro (my red check) tomorrow. In GoT it was more logical to trust me b/c no scum would give themselves up as DT like that when DTs were 100% confirmed sane. In this game that isn't the case. We can't just trust a DT claim even if he gets lynched. A town VE would have presented the option of lynching him today and Toad tomorrow, though. Because he's SO SURE he's sane, right? TL;DR: VE is so scum. How can you not think he's scum? You people make me sad :/ derp Risen already posted this, I thought I was going nuts because I couldn't find it. Thank you Risen for posting popcorn and helping me find your filter :p This is essentially what I just argued, from the perspective of a guy who, as town, claimed DT day 2 in a previous game (that was sized the same as this one) So let's recap here, shall we? 1. VE comes into day 2 with a vote on Toad, saying that the events of the night have changed his mind about Hassy. He offers no explanation for his vote on Toad, other than the Professor Badass picture (that is usually attributed to Ver) 2. Toad flips out and OMGUSes VE 3. I say I'm starting to think VE is scum, and ask him why Toad is scum 4. VE responds with "killing Toad will give me information about your (WBG's) alignment, and he is CLEARLY scum, I just have to convince you!" 5. I respond with, "that's not a reason for calling someone scum, and merely saying he's clearly scum is not giving a reason either" 6. VE starts flipping out as I go to bed; thread begins to explode 7. I'm still asleep, but VE copies Toad's case format and makes these massive walls of text that basically nitpick everything in Toad's filter 8. Later as it's apparent that the tide is against him VE starts flipping out more and says "DON'T MAKE ME CLAIM" 9. Nothing really changes but VE claims anyway, saying he's got a red check on Toad and he's "probably sane" (the fuck?) 10. I wake up and point out that the claim makes no sense from a town perspective because no decent DT would claim in that situation with so much uncertainty, yet try to pawn the check off as being certain 11. VE claims to have "forgotten" about paranoid/naive possibilities (really it's just the paranoid possibility) but still continues to push Toad. 12. I point out that he still has no valid reason for pushing Toad other than the purported red check; VE continues to flip out. I doubt the "I forgot about those sanity possibilities" claim 13. People start believing VE is town (this I don't understand) now it looks like we're losing support for a VE lynch but we're gaining support for a Toad lynch. hmmm. Well, if Toad gets lynched and I'm wrong I'll look like an ass. I'm fine with that. However, if Toad flips scum it'll be by pure, dumb luck. All the signs point to VE being scum and to think otherwise would be to ignore the mountains of evidence that exist against him. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Keep reaching bro. Keep reaching for that fucking bullshit sir. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5252 Posts
On April 12 2012 09:56 Toadesstern wrote: yeah that was my bad  RoL never claimed that game.I guess you could bring up the redFF bad claim as an example. Risen you're still in this game... don't give up. WBG what you are saying sort of makes sense.... I really need a few more rational people to weigh in on this. If people want to know why I think VE might not be scum, read the last few pages of my filter. On the other side is WBG/Toad's filters for the other side. I'll be back tomorrow with a fresh mind. won't be coming back to this thread until then. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On April 12 2012 10:04 VisceraEyes wrote: If you read my explanation Bugs, it's because I can read you and Jackal, and because I can totally get down with killing my SCUMREAD to confirm (begin to confirm -.-) my sanity Bugs. ARe you being intentionally dense? I JUST said this. JUST said it. that's bullshit, you claimed you are PROBABLY SANE as a reason that we should lynch Toad. Not only is that disingenuous to say as town, it's completely retarded because of the setup. It doesn't matter if you forgot about paranoia as a mechanic, because that means you'd be ignoring the framer and miller mechanics too. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Come on guy. I thought you were better than that. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On April 12 2012 10:13 VisceraEyes wrote: Bugs there are no mountains. Your confirmation bias is palpable. It's not about you thinking I'm scum anymore, it's about you wanting me to flip. And wanting to flip a blue is fucking scummy Bugs. This is fucking stupid, I do NOT think you're scum. Stop acting like an idiot scumbag please. now who's using "confirmed town" to call someone scum? you're not blue to me because if you actually were a blue you wouldn't have played so god damn badly. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On April 12 2012 10:15 VisceraEyes wrote: Bugs I said that because of my READ on Toad. I got a CHECK and a READ. If they match, why wouldn't I think I'm sane? WHAT THE FUCK MAN? okay, let's go over this one more time... in order to have a read, you need reasons to call someone scum. When I asked you why Toad was scum, you gave me absofuckinglutely nothing. You didn't have a read on Toad at all. If I'm an insane DT and I have a read on Janaan, but Janaan is town, and I get a red check on Janaan, does that mean Janaan is scum? And you call me dense. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On April 11 2012 17:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, first of all, no one is confirmed until they die and flip. In a game with possible framers, uncertain sanities and godfathers, no one is confirmed until they die and flip. I don't care if you explain it in seven thousand phases. No one is confirmed until they die and flip. This is so important, and I'll be repeating it often. herp derp herp derp derp derp derp | ||
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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
Can we talk about someone else? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
I don't even know if that's possible at this point, because somehow the discussion will be rubber banded back to Toad and VE, either by the scumteam, some townie who is convinced of one side or the other, or by one of those two. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Clearly he is lying. He is contradicting himself, he is changing his story all the time so that it fits what other people found in his filter, yet people get in here somehow believing every word he says without giving a reason to why they believe this 5-way-story. I just don't know what to say anymore | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On April 12 2012 10:15 wherebugsgo wrote: now who's using "confirmed town" to call someone scum? you're not blue to me because if you actually were a blue you wouldn't have played so god damn badly. But I AM blue regardless of what you think. Your doubt does not change my Role PM. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25555 Posts
On April 12 2012 10:27 VisceraEyes wrote: But I AM blue regardless of what you think. Your doubt does not change my Role PM. It's funny because you didn't actually read your role PM to see the possible sanities. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On April 12 2012 10:27 Toadesstern wrote: I mean I am here, it's 3:23 am here in germany and I can't sleep right now. I am reading this and I just can't believe how someone is believing a word VE says. Clearly he is lying. He is contradicting himself, he is changing his story all the time so that it fits what other people found in his filter, yet people get in here somehow believing every word he says without giving a reason to why they believe this 5-way-story. I just don't know what to say anymore Just give up. I already did. WBG is going to as well in short order. Game is already lost. Leave your vote on VE and leave. We fulfilled our activity requirement I'm pretty sure. If not just make sure to keep coming in and make random posts to stay active. I don't think any mods would be able to ban you seeing as to how many people in this game have lurked super hard. | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
I'll pop in to vote for whoever I think is scummy tomorrow depending on who we lynch (if we get VE today I'll vote someone on my list tomorrow. Otherwise just VE again) | ||
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