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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=325046¤tpage=60#1182 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=325046¤tpage=64#1273 | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
About the case that wherebugsgo presented to me in this thread here, I think that the quote is looking like something a vanilla townie would never think. The self contradictions aren't really problematic, but he's stretching logic in a way that no vanilla townie would do. I still thought it made sense from a detective perspective when I read it. So I'm back at "either I believe his claim and then he's town or I don't and then he's scum" but his claim depends on whether or not I think he's town at all, and I do. At page 30 I had a slight town read on him, but with how he's been behaving since page 76~ish I have quite a big town read on him and I would strongly advice against his lynch. I would like people to discuss who else they would like to lynch. Toadesstern is obviously a popular choice and I'm not wholly opposed to that right now. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 12 2012 08:29 Toadesstern wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=325046¤tpage=60#1182 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=325046¤tpage=64#1273 Ok, good to know 'demolition' means 'calling self "incredible good" for WIFOMing night-kills and talking about other games'. I'll bear that in mind | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On April 12 2012 08:36 prplhz wrote: I would like people to discuss who else they would like to lynch. Toadesstern is obviously a popular choice and I'm not wholly opposed to that right now. I'd lynch 4F | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
@prplhz, what do you think of ET's vig claim? I have no reason to doubt that he is some kind of vig, but I'm leaning scum vig. What do you think? | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
On April 12 2012 07:20 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm not leaving the thread. If Bugs thinks he can push a wagon with me kicking and screaming on it without being in the thread, he's sorely mistaken. On April 12 2012 07:26 VisceraEyes wrote: That wasn't a stance Bugs, your read is based on me not responding TO that post. That's not the reason you gave for your suspicion of me. I get my D1 play was horrendous. I get that. And I get that I'm not doing a bang-up job of D2 either...but I'm here and I'm trying. Ugh, that doesn't mean anything.  Look familiar? I did the exact same thing about 24 hours ago (minus the calling the case on me bad part.) Either way you look at it, that was a retardedly desperate move to claim at that point, scum or town. Personally, I still felt 50-50 at that point, and I thought that there was no reason to claim at that point. Plus forgetting naive/paranoid....what? Plus it made people who I've thought have spoken quite logically to doubt as well. Call it WIFOM. Call it idiocy. Whatever. My gut feeling says that VE gets benefit of the doubt, and that he's human. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On April 12 2012 08:36 marvellosity wrote: Ok, good to know 'demolition' means 'calling self "incredible good" for WIFOMing night-kills and talking about other games'. I'll bear that in mind where do I call myself incredible good? That's not the point. I am quoting every single aspect of his case and showing that nothing he posted is alignment indicating, at all. That IS demolishing a case. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
In the end if he actually is town and Toad is town too it means we've lost, because we'll be forced to lynch Toad tomorrow and then basically there will be no coming back from that without perfect kills. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
Now you're pushing it onto me when it's YOUR read that's probably wrong, not mine. This isn't about my play. It's about yours. It's about your confirmation bias and your new buttbuddiness with Toad. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On April 12 2012 08:38 ghost_403 wrote: I do! @prplhz, what do you think of ET's vig claim? I have no reason to doubt that he is some kind of vig, but I'm leaning scum vig. What do you think? I think that a scum vigilante wouldn't shoot michaelthe, he'd hold on to his shot and then shoot whoever made sense in the thread (and claim vanilla town in case it looked like people would be too angry with this). There are no role cops that they have to be afraid of and they can just claim "Overly Inquisitive" if watcher/tracker sees them. I also think that it was a pretty horrible shot. I have no idea why he even shot night1. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On April 12 2012 08:40 Hassybaby wrote: Posts like these Look familiar? I did the exact same thing about 24 hours ago (minus the calling the case on me bad part.) Either way you look at it, that was a retardedly desperate move to claim at that point, scum or town. Personally, I still felt 50-50 at that point, and I thought that there was no reason to claim at that point. Plus forgetting naive/paranoid....what? Plus it made people who I've thought have spoken quite logically to doubt as well. Call it WIFOM. Call it idiocy. Whatever. My gut feeling says that VE gets benefit of the doubt, and that he's human. Everyone agreed that the claim is retarded. Everyone agreed that there's no reason for a townie to claim in that situation and that it instead very much looks like RoL from Storm Mafia. He never breadcrumbed a thing, yet you give him the benefit of the doubt? He said his vote on me was his breadcrumb. Again, pretty convenient, isn't it? If that's considered to be a breadcrumb nowadays I don't know what to say about this. His story is not making sense at all, he's changing it by the minute everytime someone points something else out. He was part of C9++, He saw mafia get destroyed in that game and bugs telling team mafia that they should have claimed something at some point and should have played with more balls. That game is very recent and VE still has that in mind. That is why he is so happy to instantly claim, without a reason. Because bugs said it's a good move from for mafia but people are too afraid to do so. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
GRACKARONNNNNNNI C'mere, where are ya boy? You can't make a name as memorable as that and expect to be forgotten? + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/funny-gifs-excited-dog-jumping.gif) His last post was page 56, and it commented on whether ET's claim was true or not to give you perspective. I'll give ya one guess to guess what Grackaronis role this game has been: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images/b/b8/Lurker.png) | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
On April 12 2012 08:36 prplhz wrote: Even though I'm only at page 30 I felt like I had to figure out what was going on since people were piling onto VisceraEyes and I had a town read on him and he usually doesn't get lynched. About the case that wherebugsgo presented to me in this thread here, I think that the quote is looking like something a vanilla townie would never think. The self contradictions aren't really problematic, but he's stretching logic in a way that no vanilla townie would do. I still thought it made sense from a detective perspective when I read it. So I'm back at "either I believe his claim and then he's town or I don't and then he's scum" but his claim depends on whether or not I think he's town at all, and I do. At page 30 I had a slight town read on him, but with how he's been behaving since page 76~ish I have quite a big town read on him and I would strongly advice against his lynch. I would like people to discuss who else they would like to lynch. Toadesstern is obviously a popular choice and I'm not wholly opposed to that right now. Johnnywup. I said a while ago that his sheeping was dodgy as hell, and he admitted to it because of reasons that make no sense. Also, this post made me :S On April 12 2012 02:54 johnnywup wrote: sorry i was asleep  ?Wow what a shitstorm. One of toad or VE is scum almost for sure, possibly both (but less likely). I don't think we can afford a mislynch today without putting ourselves in an awful spot. Also katina looks super fucking scummy. And Toad is defending himself so much it looks scummy. Like, defending yourself is one thing but going so far? Focus more on cases and less on your own skin imo. I know I haven't given that many reads but I'm not as big of a "player" in this game. I don't have as "concrete" reads as you do, with handfulls of evidence. Anyways, I'm backing off VE for now as I have been given a shred of doubt in his guilt. At least until this shitstorm ends and a conclusion is (generally) reached. ##unvote VisceraEyes I had no idea defending yourself is scummy. Pretty sure Ace famously made a post about that. It ended with pants-on-head retarded. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On April 12 2012 08:49 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh yes, try and convince the thread that I need BUGS to teach me how to fake-claim in a game if I'm scum. That's hilarious Toad, for real. Good luck with that. Well that would improve your mafia play I guess considering how bad this fakeclaim was. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
You're a riot Toad. I almost don't even want to lynch you. Almost. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On April 12 2012 08:52 VisceraEyes wrote: lol You're a riot Toad. I almost don't even want to lynch you. Almost. very much understandable considering my alignment. | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
Like....can't we just lynch johhnywup instead? Its pretty much unanimous that's he's scummy. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
But, if he's scum trying to look townie... [cue spooky music] | ||
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