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On April 12 2012 03:50 Jitsu wrote:
People are bringing up the fact that it could be a miller/framer mechanic. I think the smart option, regardless if the miller/framer mechanic is in the game, is to lynch the red flip. I would tell you that regardless if I was the person being checked. It leaves too many questions un-answered. The odds of Toad being miller is fairly low, and the possibility of him being framed is moderate at best. But beyond that, if we don't lynch him, it leaves too many questions in the open.
The chance of that happening is 2/3 + X. That is best case in 66% of the times his check (if he were to be a DT, which is not true) and worst case a little more depending on how likely you consider it for mafia to frame me or if I am a miller.
The important part here is that VE's check is wrong / doesn't say a thing about me in 66% of the times because of sanities ALREADY.
If this game would have sane cops only I'd agree, lynch the red check no matter what, if he's a green lynch the DT. However this game does not have sane only therefore it's wrong
Guarantee leaving him alive at this point will come back to bite us down the road. We let him live today, and then he doesn't get night killed, we start questioning the fact as to why he is still alive, and Day3, we come up with "Should we lynch Toad now? VE had a red check and he's still alive," blah blah blah.
leaving whoom alive? Me or VE? Looks like you're talking about leaving both of us alive when it should be obvious that either one or the other has to be mafia at this point in time imo.
Or VE's impersonating dirkzor's claims and trying to do that as well from time to time but come on.
The thing to do now is decide whether VE is telling the truth. Evidence lends it to the fact that it is true. Day1, he claims Toad as a decent scum read for him, and then during the night, he checks him to see if he actually is scum. It comes back Guilty, he forms a case out of whatever he can and pushes it hard. Hard.
I'm going to believe this claim now, especially with overall actions and his previous breadcrumb.
##Vote: Toad
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On April 12 2012 03:38 ghost_403 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 03:32 Mementoss wrote:
I might be completely wrong in saying this, but IF sanity flips on death. Would it be beneficial for the town to look for another lynch target? Cause either mafia will nightkill VE showing us if he was actually right then we lynch toad, or if he doesn't die then he can use a intelligent check to try and guarentee his sanity. <--- But I guess that relies on us trusting him.
Tough situation. I doubt the mafia would kill VE at night regardless of his roleclaim unless we lynch Toads. Why do that when they could waste the towns time by having us argue whether or not he's actually a DT? No one's going to believe that he's town on Day 3 if he doesn't die tonight. It makes more sense to lynch Toads. If he flips scum, it's a safe assumption that VE is a cop (but says nothing of sanity). At that point, the scum would kill VE. At best, he is a sane cop. At worst, he's a confirmed townie.
You also forgot to consider sanity. I can't tell if you're bad town or scum. Basing my judgement on what you've done I'm leaning scum. What a horrible attempt at saving VE.
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LOL! Jitsu is scum too? Oh man this is amazing. No townie would post something like that. Scum is literally trying to throw the game here or something. What's the benefit of outing two people? Jitsu and VE are nigh on confirmed scum in my eyes now. Johnnywup was my #1 read coming into d2 and you guys have managed to drop him to #3. Hilarious.
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I'll give you this VE. Your claim is a good move regardless of your alignment. If you are scum you may cause us to do a misslynch on Toad, and if you are town you might have saved yourself, at least for a day.
I do not agree that your claim came at a bad time, if you are infact town and you felt the need to claim, a claim sooner rather than later is better.
I still think you are scum though. But I am at least doubting myself more...
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I have no clue what's going on anymore.
VE's DT claim seems so illegitimate that I have to assume there's an agenda behind it, the question is if it's town or mafia aligned. It's a wild gambit on a time when it isn't sure yet if he'll get lynched or not, so one would assume it doesn't make sense to claim right now by any means. So then, why the claim?
I need a viable reason why he'd post this, whether it's mafia or town, as I don't believe it's just mafia handing himself on a silver platter.
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So, Toad, do you think that VE isn't sane then?
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On April 12 2012 03:32 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 03:30 Zealos wrote:On April 12 2012 03:27 Toadesstern wrote:On April 12 2012 03:21 Hassybaby wrote:On April 12 2012 03:17 Mementoss wrote:
VE a couple of questions for you.
Why would you claim after we lost 3 blues last night?
Why would you claim when the votes were split evenly on both sides?
Why would you claim with over half the day to go?
Why would you try and push a Hassy train lynch, assuming he was scum potentially pulling attention to yourself in the night kill?
Why would you claim, before you could guarentee your sanity? (coulda tried for toad lynch then if you were right you were most likely sane, you weren't done yet, it wasn't even close) Add to this. Why did you pick Toad over guys who were more like to die, so you could confirm your sanity quicker? Someone like S.T for example Ok Hassy here's the thing: I am really sorry for what I said about you d1  I need to get into jeweling (is that a word? jewelcrafting probably?) because we should be handing out medals LIKE CANDY right now. The guy said he is most certain on Hassy d1 and votes him for a lynch. Yet he targets me over people like hassy, ST or someone like wbg/Jackal (high priority mafia hits to confirm sanity). VE has NO IDEA how to play a DT. He fakeclaimed, that's why he has no idea on how to play a DT because that shit is improvised. Nono, you're wrong. VE knows very well how to play DT, which is why this is so clearly a fakeclaim. How do you know this? Link?
Ok, you got me, this was just an assumption based on him being a vet. But still, he would know enough that there is no benefit for town at claiming now.
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On April 12 2012 04:04 Jitsu wrote:
So, Toad, do you think that VE isn't sane then?
No, I think he made that shit up lol.
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On April 12 2012 04:04 Jitsu wrote:
So, Toad, do you think that VE isn't sane then?
What kind of a loaded question is this? No Jitsu, he thinks VE is sane. How about this? How about he doesn't believe that VE is a DT at all. Don't lead people with your questions if you're town. Jitsu is scum
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I have no idea what my sanity is. I'm independently suspicious of Toad, the check only confirms it for me. Obviously when Toad flips we'll know what my sanity is, but I think he'll flip scum and therefor I predict my sanity will come back sane given the information I have now.
Everyone go back and READ TOAD'S POST. Then, please. I'm begging you. READ MY RESPONSE. Please do so.
I'll wait.
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On April 12 2012 04:06 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 04:04 Jitsu wrote:
So, Toad, do you think that VE isn't sane then? No, I think he made that shit up lol.
Also I like how you ask if he is a NOT-Sane cop when you know I said he's mafia. Why are you trying to imply that VE being not-sane is more reasonable than him being mafia?
Why are you asking ME of ALL THE PEOPLE, if I think he's a cop who just got a wrong check?
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 12 2012 04:04 Jitsu wrote:
So, Toad, do you think that VE isn't sane then?
There's a higher chance he isn't sane.
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On April 12 2012 04:09 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 04:06 Toadesstern wrote:On April 12 2012 04:04 Jitsu wrote:
So, Toad, do you think that VE isn't sane then? No, I think he made that shit up lol. Also I like how you ask if he is a NOT-Sane cop when you know I said he's mafia. Why are you trying to imply that VE being not-sane is more reasonable than him being mafia? Why are you asking ME of ALL THE PEOPLE, if I think he's a cop who just got a wrong check?
Got ninja'ed by Risen. Medal #3 going out right now.
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On April 11 2012 23:40 Tunkeg wrote:Here is the scumteam and how they play the game now: Viscera "Oh I am fucked anyways time to make some accusations on my scummate BH" Eyes Adam "I will stab VE in the back and accuse BH for town cred" 4167 Ka " I love VE so much, don't kill him" tina Blazing "I don't give a fuck about what you geezers are doing" Hand. I am totally in Toads corner on this one. I am as certain as I have ever been i na mafia game --> VE is scum. Toad is bad at finding scum, I am bad at finding scum, but when we team up we are a beast. In Arkham City we hit scum everyday together. You can say we are T and T = TNT. + Show Spoiler +My post on why VE is scum comming up!
HAHAHAH I was thinking the exact same things as you :D
Kill VE; no DT would claim D2 with a red check and claim he's "probably" sane because there's no way for any DT to know his own sanity before he gets 2-3 checks on FLIPPED players back. In other words if he were actually a DT the likelihood of him having an incorrect check on Toad is astronomical. If toad is actually green it could mean paranoia, framer, insanity, miller; four things a town DT would consider before claiming he is "probably" sane.
I just finished reading the entire block of 10 or so pages but honestly VE's reactions to everything have made this really easy.
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On April 12 2012 00:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well, it's nice to know that Tunkeg is going to be turning off his brain for the rest of the game. Thanks for letting us know guy, that would've been confusing later!
I'm doing the same. I have really tried to read and find something, but I have no idea how to play this game nor am I willing to commit to make an effort once it looks more like work than play.
I am pretty pissed at Toad and gonzaw for making this chronologically unreadable, and pissed at TL for not supplying the means to filter-out a player, i.e. ignore. If either one is mafia I think this is a gay tactic. Maybe you fancy smugs with your iphones can read wherever, whenever comfortably, I on the other hand have an ancient CRT monitor which is like 24 inches and it burns my eyes if I stare at it longer than 3 hours and I think my chair is slightly oblique.. so fuck you, I couldn't have possibly known that this was going to be this hard. It's boring. It's depressing. Town is in a shitty position and I got -1 cred because sput flipped blue, which makes me wonder how much I really know about this game. Even if I'd read this thing from start to finish I wouldn't know what to look for.
So if Toad and gonzaw are in fact scum I have to admit you've raped me at this game. I had no chance whatsoever and I feel like committing suicide. If you are both town you should get your heads examined for posting like that.
I agree not to vote for Toad if he could just for the love of God, promise to make his posts less lethal, and could everyone just stop the meta crap.
I need to vent on another thing + Show Spoiler +I don't know who to vote for but if I'd have to choose, motivated by something other than the urge for convenience, I'd choose all those who call johnnywup - jdub. Why would you call johnnywup - jdub. I just can't understand it. Is he a smurf? I don't know any jdub so why wasn't I informed who the fuck you people are talking about when referring to jdub.
I've also noticed that if I'm not involved with any of the discussion that I can't make myself give a shit about it. I guess I got ADD mixed with narcissism or something. So I'm just lurking around today to see if someone mentions my name because that might motivate me to go through his filter.
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On April 12 2012 04:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
I have no idea what my sanity is. I'm independently suspicious of Toad, the check only confirms it for me. Obviously when Toad flips we'll know what my sanity is, but I think he'll flip scum and therefor I predict my sanity will come back sane given the information I have now.
Everyone go back and READ TOAD'S POST. Then, please. I'm begging you. READ MY RESPONSE. Please do so.
I'll wait.
COME ON.
You're telling me I'm unreasonable assuming Jackal got single-shot but you're saying that?
You're telling me I am suspicious for saying I am confirmed and there's nothing confrimed in here when you're calling a 33% to have a right check "confirmed"?
get ouf of here
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That was not tactical at all VE
soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo BAD.
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Haha, johnnywup, jw for short. j doubleu. jdub. its anickname i got in c9++. dont worry about it FF
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On April 12 2012 04:09 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 04:06 Toadesstern wrote:On April 12 2012 04:04 Jitsu wrote:
So, Toad, do you think that VE isn't sane then? No, I think he made that shit up lol. Also I like how you ask if he is a NOT-Sane cop when you know I said he's mafia. Why are you trying to imply that VE being not-sane is more reasonable than him being mafia? Why are you asking ME of ALL THE PEOPLE, if I think he's a cop who just got a wrong check?
Because of the way you worded your response to me.
The chance of that happening is 2/3 + X. That is best case in 66% of the times his check (if he were to be a DT, which is not true) and worst case a little more depending on how likely you consider it for mafia to frame me or if I am a miller.
The important part here is that VE's check is wrong / doesn't say a thing about me in 66% of the times because of sanities ALREADY.
If this game would have sane cops only I'd agree, lynch the red check no matter what, if he's a green lynch the DT. However this game does not have sane only therefore it's wrong
The middle part begged for me to ask, since I read it as you implying that you think he's actually a DT, but are unsure of his sanity.
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On April 12 2012 02:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Actually guys, I've got this. I've thought it through, and this is pretty much the only way.
I'm Undercover Investigator Charles Williamson. I got a Guilty back on Toad last night, hence the instantaneous vote.
This is why I called for medic protection.
This is why I've been whining about dying N1.
This is why I said I'd be the "atmosphere police" this game.
My sanity is in question obviously, but I feel like Toad is acting scummy as shit and I'm probably Sane.
Thread thinkers, votes off me. Votes on the claimed scum plz. Scum and knaves who are sheeping Toad because you don't want to read the thread, feel free to continue voting for me and prepare for ultimate disappointment. We'll start killing you in order of scumminess as soon as Toad is done.
GG scum.
Three possibilities here, given that you got a guilty check, from your personal PoV:
1) you're paranoid and toad is town or scum
2) you're insane and toad is town
3) you're sane and toad is scum
With no information about toad's alignment, there's only a 1/3rd chance you're sane. even if you say "well toad is scum" you could easily be a paranoid cop-- 50% chance. I don't think claiming here was the right move.
I think you knew that, and wouldn't claim.
Well, a town version of you.
##vote: VisceraEyes
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