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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:22 Nisani201 wrote: I'm on page 60 right now. Is it worth reading through the next pages or is it just pointless arguing between gonzaw/VE/toad? we've got a DT claim. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:17 marvellosity wrote: I want an answer from VE himself on why he thought claiming DT and a guilty read that is statistically only 1/3 accurate (the 4th option is naive = always innocent so we can discount) was a good move. Quoting again so it doesn't get lost and it gets answered. To the above posters: from my perspective it looks a retarded move whether he is mafia or scum. You would also think as mafia he would be clever enough not to do this. This is why I'd like him to answer my question to start. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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EchelonTee
United States5262 Posts
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
##vote: VisceraEyes | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:11 Risen wrote: VE is scum. I claimed DT and was actually DT last game only at near a deadline. There's still so much time and VE has almost NO pressure on him. Check out his scumbuddy johnnywup immediately getting his vote off him. Gonzaw just made himself scummy as shit in my eyes too. Anyone jumping off VE like that so quickly isn't playing pro-town. How stupid. VE knows he's cooked, either today or tomorrow and this is his way of forcing the ACTUAL DT to claim so mafia can shoot him. I can't believe a town johnnywup or gonzaw would fall for something stupid like this (or ANY town player) Calm down, I'm trying to weight in all options here. I think both Toad and VE are scummy as fuck, but I don't really know who to lynch first, in the OFF CHANCE the other one is town, or even if both are scum. If VE was DT, there's still the chance Toad was framed or Miller (I could see Toad getting framed, specially when some people said he would be a good DT check, now I see why I shouldn't have said that :/ ). The point is, even if VE is DT, yes he could be Insane/Paranoid or Toad could be Framed/Miller, but if he was DT and got a scum check he would go guns blazing against Toad and ignore Hassy and everybody else. His insta-vote confirms this, and his bad case on Toad confirms this too (makes me think of Prob's "bad" case on Sheth in Newbie 2), and so does his tunneling of Toad this past day and him ignoring everything else. It's a possibility and the situations help that idea be true, but again on the other hand his claim comes at a sketchy time, in a sketchy manner when the votes are almost equal and there's plenty of time for him to continue the pressure on Toad, and point people to his "new" case on him and see if he convinces anybody. I don't really know what to think of this at the moment. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:21 Hassybaby wrote: Add to this. Why did you pick Toad over guys who were more like to die, so you could confirm your sanity quicker? Someone like S.T for example Ok Hassy here's the thing: I am really sorry for what I said about you d1  I need to get into jeweling (is that a word? jewelcrafting probably?) because we should be handing out medals LIKE CANDY right now. The guy said he is most certain on Hassy d1 and votes him for a lynch. Yet he targets me over people like hassy, ST or someone like wbg/Jackal (high priority mafia hits to confirm sanity). VE has NO IDEA how to play a DT. He fakeclaimed, that's why he has no idea on how to play a DT because that shit is improvised. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
It also reminds me of Zentor's Doctor claim in Soaf, and how everybody thought no sane townie would claim that. *sigh* How I wish there was a double-lynch today | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
I told you to reread the thread, you said you would. Now post your thoughts and your case against me, don't ignore that. | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:27 Toadesstern wrote: Ok Hassy here's the thing: I am really sorry for what I said about you d1 I need to get into jeweling (is that a word? jewelcrafting probably?) because we should be handing out medals LIKE CANDY right now. The guy said he is most certain on Hassy d1 and votes him for a lynch. Yet he targets me over people like hassy, ST or someone like wbg/Jackal (high priority mafia hits to confirm sanity). VE has NO IDEA how to play a DT. He fakeclaimed, that's why he has no idea on how to play a DT because that shit is improvised. Nono, you're wrong. VE knows very well how to play DT, which is why this is so clearly a fakeclaim. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
Tough situation. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:30 Zealos wrote: Nono, you're wrong. VE knows very well how to play DT, which is why this is so clearly a fakeclaim. How do you know this? Link? | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:32 Mementoss wrote: I might be completely wrong in saying this, but IF sanity flips on death. Would it be beneficial for the town to look for another lynch target? Cause either mafia will nightkill VE showing us if he was actually right then we lynch toad, or if he doesn't die then he can use a intelligent check to try and guarentee his sanity. <--- But I guess that relies on us trusting him. Tough situation. If scum have a RBer he's useless. If scum have a Framer/GF and are smart enough, they can manipulate his checks. No, if VE is town, scum won't kill him (unless they don't have either a RBer or a Framer/GF, which is unlikely). I find it interesting that nobody claimed RBed today. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:32 Mementoss wrote: I might be completely wrong in saying this, but IF sanity flips on death. Would it be beneficial for the town to look for another lynch target? Cause either mafia will nightkill VE showing us if he was actually right then we lynch toad, or if he doesn't die then he can use a intelligent check to try and guarentee his sanity. <--- But I guess that relies on us trusting him. Tough situation. I doubt the mafia would kill VE at night regardless of his roleclaim unless we lynch Toads. Why do that when they could waste the towns time by having us argue whether or not he's actually a DT? No one's going to believe that he's town on Day 3 if he doesn't die tonight. It makes more sense to lynch Toads. If he flips scum, it's a safe assumption that VE is a cop (but says nothing of sanity). At that point, the scum would kill VE. At best, he is a sane cop. At worst, he's a confirmed townie. | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:27 Toadesstern wrote: Ok Hassy here's the thing: I am really sorry for what I said about you d1 I need to get into jeweling (is that a word? jewelcrafting probably?) because we should be handing out medals LIKE CANDY right now. The guy said he is most certain on Hassy d1 and votes him for a lynch. Yet he targets me over people like hassy, ST or someone like wbg/Jackal (high priority mafia hits to confirm sanity). VE has NO IDEA how to play a DT. He fakeclaimed, that's why he has no idea on how to play a DT because that shit is improvised. I dunno if it was the sorry, or the amazing game of Dota I'm playing, but I slightly shed a tear there (Enigma with a 7-kill streak. Fuck yeah) You've said what I was thinking. if I was a DT, I would be targeting people who I was pretty sure were going to die n1. People like ST or...well me (convoluted I know). The fact that he chose you feels weird. I don't think Mafia would have shot you either would shoot you either because if I died then town would be looking at you and wbg hard. And there was no way town was firing at you. I think its a lie as well. ##Vote: VisceraEyes | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On April 12 2012 03:30 gonzaw wrote: Toad, please tell me why you think I'm scum. I told you to reread the thread, you said you would. Now post your thoughts and your case against me, don't ignore that. Sorry I tried but I was kinda buisy defending myself from people trying to lynch me over nothing when I am actually looking really good imo. So sorry I have to tell you that I haven't reread the thread yet, that shit is long and it takes forver especially with people like VE and myself. I can finally see why erandorr hates me so much. What thoughts are you referring to? I am not going to post about everything if you want to hear about something specific ask more specific I am not going to shit up the thread even more. I think the basic stuff is covered though (VE fakeclaiming, me being awesome, you tunneling me). About the "case" on you. In a nutshell it's something like that: I don't think someone like you (read: kind of new) would be so confident about his read when basicly everyone and their dog are telling you that your case is a null. I read that as a tunneling townie early on because that sounds like a little me from L or risk.nuke or whatever. However this is getting malicious and I think you're doing that on purpose. Sure you can argue that I am shitting up the thread but you AND VE are attacking me right now. What am I supposed to do? Let the two most vocal players in this game (besides me) keep on bombing the thread telling everyone how I am mafia when I am not? I can't do that, so I have to answer this. I am pretty sure you know that I have to answer those things. You've got VE saying I am shitting up the thread because I am posting so much and you are saying I am ignoring you're questions and not answering at all. A classic lose-lose situation for me and I am pretty confident you are doing that on purpose because a townie would give me a little rest for a day to observe what I am like if I actually got time to do shit myself. | ||
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
Guarantee leaving him alive at this point will come back to bite us down the road. We let him live today, and then he doesn't get night killed, we start questioning the fact as to why he is still alive, and Day3, we come up with "Should we lynch Toad now? VE had a red check and he's still alive," blah blah blah. The thing to do now is decide whether VE is telling the truth. Evidence lends it to the fact that it is true. Day1, he claims Toad as a decent scum read for him, and then during the night, he checks him to see if he actually is scum. It comes back Guilty, he forms a case out of whatever he can and pushes it hard. Hard. I'm going to believe this claim now, especially with overall actions and his previous breadcrumb. ##Vote: Toad | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Wherebugsgo is awefully silent since the beginning of D2, nor commented on what people think about him at all. I'd like Adam to weight his opinion more, he hasn't spoken too much since D2 started. Of course Katina has just barely posted and hasn't posted any reasonings at all, same with Kenpachi. Grack has not posted any thoughts regarding Toad nor VE, the ONLY thing he posted since the beginning of D2 was that mafia could have a vig and speculated about the night kills, nothing else. Let this be noted for the future when we try to analyse this day. So far, these 7 players are all flying under the radar and not being active or participating in the discussion at all, or just plain inactive. ET, I'd like your thoughts on this whole issue. Not just what you think about VE or Toad, about the town atmosphere, what's going on in the thread, about how many lurkers are doing nothing this day (for instance the ones I just mentioned), etc. Mods, could you add Nisani's, prpr's and mavellosity's filters to the OP? | ||
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