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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 17 2012 19:27 GMT
#8
As I haven't played before, can I sign up? Or should I start with a newbie game?
Acrofales
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March 17 2012 20:03 GMT
#14
Cool

/in
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
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March 19 2012 08:31 GMT
#45
On March 19 2012 13:34 Curu wrote:
That's why he's the sample role PM, because he's obviously not in the game!

I can't put someone alive and in the game as a sample PM, that just introduces a whole lot of host-induced WIFOM.


Does this mean we should assume there are no Stark bannermen either? Townies are /shudder Lannisters?!
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
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March 19 2012 22:45 GMT
#62
What are the rules regarding spoilers? For myself I don't care: I have read all the books, but if the main theme of the game is book 1, then maybe make rules about spoiler tags, etc. in order to not spoil the series for people who haven't? On the other hand, maybe everybody who signed up are ASOIAF enthusiasts anyway, so it doesn't matter?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
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Last Edited: 2012-03-20 09:14:13
March 20 2012 09:13 GMT
#74
Are we allowed to speculate about what Littlefinger's win condition is? I have a hunch

Unfortunately it has nothing to do with Dementors eating Daenerys baby in order to generate infinite facebook spam messages.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 20 2012 19:09 GMT
#80
I don't really expect it to be much of a problem, except for Littlefinger: we don't even know which characters are in the game. The reason I asked the questions in the order I did, is because part of my hunch for Littlefinger's win condition is not in the first book.

Other than that I cannot really imagine needing to discuss ASOIAF lore during the game. Of course, I may be completely wrong.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 20 2012 20:06 GMT
#86
Deadline sounds good to me! I am European after all, so I can hardly complain
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
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March 21 2012 09:51 GMT
#110
Hi everybody!

Well, Curu hasn't said I cannot speculate about Petyr's win condition. Remember that this is idle speculation, but I have read the books a number of times and if Petyr is anything, he is untrustworthy. He only serves his own means, so I am inclined to ignore everything he says, including that he is a vanilla townie

My hunch is that he must kill Ned Stark and keep Catelyn and/or Sansa alive until the end of the game to win.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 21 2012 13:54 GMT
#114
Okay seriously WTF. I know I'm new to this game, but voting me for that reason alone makes no sense. In fact, it seems quite a scum move to cast suspicion on people right at the start of the game.

Or am I going overboard and it's just a way of getting people to post at the start of the game? Either way, I'm watching you and risk.nuke. Voting off the bat seems fishy.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 21 2012 15:04 GMT
#119
Hodor's terribly talkative all of a sudden.

Luckily I have better sources than that. The Ghost of High Heart told me that you are scum.

##vote: Mattchew
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
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March 21 2012 16:30 GMT
#127
On March 22 2012 01:17 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Yes it's me. I guess you guys don't need me to sign my posts then =P
I'll take advantage of this post to inform you that I don't know shit about GoT and I'll strike down with great anger people that are using too much useless flavor in their posts.

Hodor?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 21 2012 17:23 GMT
#151
On March 22 2012 01:50 DoYouHas wrote:
Acrofales reads exactly like newb scum to me from his first posts. His first post reads as already being defensive to me:
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On March 21 2012 18:51 Acrofales wrote:
Hi everybody!

Well, Curu hasn't said I cannot speculate about Petyr's win condition. Remember that this is idle speculation, but I have read the books a number of times and if Petyr is anything, he is untrustworthy. He only serves his own means, so I am inclined to ignore everything he says, including that he is a vanilla townie

My hunch is that he must kill Ned Stark and keep Catelyn and/or Sansa alive until the end of the game to win.


And then he pulls an OMGUS on 2 different people in a very short period of time.

##Vote: Acrofales

Gumshoe, wake up and read day1 carefully. We already know who Littlefinger is 100%. It is given information. Your posts are yet to actually be relevant to the game.


What you bolded was basically a follow-up to my question before the game started:
On March 20 2012 18:13 Acrofales wrote:
Are we allowed to speculate about what Littlefinger's win condition is? I have a hunch

Unfortunately it has nothing to do with Dementors eating Daenerys baby in order to generate infinite facebook spam messages.


As for the rest, I've calmed down a bit, with later people talking about the random votes. It is my first game (ever) and I was hoping to live past the first day. People instavoting for me got me a bit upset. I am happy to unvote Matthew when a better candidate comes up, the ghost of High Heart is kinda cryptic when it comes to her prophecies It was more of a "if you vote for me, then I'll vote for you"-thing anyway.

That said, Matthew, why did you vote for me? Chaoser already had the random vote on me. The 2nd one was just mean. That vote has been the entire contribution to this game, with no explanation or text (except for a lololololol, which is even less useful).
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 21 2012 18:08 GMT
#164
On March 22 2012 02:41 gumshoe wrote:
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On March 22 2012 02:17 DoYouHas wrote:
I have already said what I think about Acrofales. He hasn't posted anything new that would change my opinion.

Mayor elections are built into the game by the mod (at least I think so). This game doesn't have it, meaning you would need consensus from most players to get it going. You won't get that, and you would be wasting your time to try. Stop talking about mayors imo.


Wasn't aware, always thought mayors were just achieved through consensus. In regard to Acrofales I'm sure your well aware that my sympathies always go to first time townies who fuck up at the start, but his response was just pure ombus, which was similar to sloosh and ech in suprisingly normal mini mafia, yet the difference was in that game Sloosh and Ech kept fighting blow for blow because they knew they were townies, Acrofales just sort of clammed up. He's not fighting hard enough, which first time newbie townies tend to do way too much. I'm down for voting for him not because of his silly ombus, but because he backed down when pressured.

Acrofales

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As for the rest, I've calmed down a bit


Townies don't just calm down when their under pressure. He's either blue(which is unlikely considering his ombus) a total noob green(also unlikely because he just dropped his hostile tone when the pressure came down) or scum(the most probable)

Acrofales seeing as your lynch is getting to be pretty likely maybe you should role claim? It could help your case, also why did you vote for Mattchew in the first place?


My reason for not going after Mattchew (or Chaoser for that matter) is precisely because I have since realised it's a random vote to troll me and get a reaction. I think he got quite the reaction, so it succeeded rather well. It also got lots of other people talking, which is a double plus! I am still interested to know why he voted for me, but I am smart enough to know that that is not a reason to suspect him of being mafia off the bat. In fact, it's not enough for me to decide either way.

YOU, however, have done nothing but spread misinformation with your posts. You spend three entire posts (not short either) on Littlefinger:
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On March 22 2012 01:34 gumshoe wrote:
Alright just woke up, On the topic of random voting, I don't mind it so long as its a means to an end. It should generate discussion not baseless band wagons

Also on the issue of third party. Isn't little finger sort of irrelevant to town? I mean unless he's going to act like a total dick and try to get himself lynched he really shouldn't be a problem for us, its scum who have to worry about shooting him. Townies look for scum, scum look for third party, lets not do scum's job for them by finding the guy whose potentially the biggest threat to their operation. It's better if little finger stays hidden looks like a helpful blue and soaks up a hit. I'm not saying we shouldn't talk about him, I just don't want to give him away(which as far as we know makes no difference to him) until scum finds him on their own, because just by being there as he is he disrupts and confuses scum.

For the record though I think he has to ensure that catelyn survives no matter what(or maybe sansa) and ned dies. Or maybe he just has to identify everyone. It'll be near impossible to confirm our theories until later when we've seen someone act peculiar(like a third party would) even then though like I said before it might still be a good idea to keep Baelish under wraps.

Next up, Xatalos, why did you vote for me of all people? Is it because I'm a newer player eg an easy target to pressure/bandwagon?


On March 22 2012 01:42 gumshoe wrote:
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On March 22 2012 01:20 GreYMisT wrote:
Guys I say we lynch Wherebugsgo, just to be certain.

Sand/Syllo can you guys sign you posts? It makes it a lot easier for the rest of us to keep track of who thinks what.

Xatalos, I'm interested on what you think about Wherebugsgo/littlefinger. How do you think we should go about interacting with him now that we know he is 3rd party?

Also i would like to assure everyone that even though I am hosting Aperture Mafia, the science will not keep me from being active here.


Why waste a hit? I find it hard to believe Scum are going to come forward like that and claim Baelish(it seems to crazy for even a player like Caller) so way I see it where is either a vanilla townie way down below in flea bottom dreaming of some day ruling the kingdom with an iron fist, or hes baelish and we waste a hit/reveal third party to scum.

Personally I think we should stay clear of trying to lynch Baelish, unless someone claims there him just before we kill him, in which case they fully deserve to die as we had already decided. If we lynch Where it should be because we think hes scum, not Baelish, do you really think Where is scum this early in the game?



On March 22 2012 01:50 gumshoe wrote:
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On March 22 2012 01:35 SamuelLJackson wrote:
On March 22 2012 01:20 GreYMisT wrote:
Guys I say we lynch Wherebugsgo, just to be certain.

Sand/Syllo can you guys sign you posts? It makes it a lot easier for the rest of us to keep track of who thinks what.

Xatalos, I'm interested on what you think about Wherebugsgo/littlefinger. How do you think we should go about interacting with him now that we know he is 3rd party?

Also i would like to assure everyone that even though I am hosting Aperture Mafia, the science will not keep me from being active here.

What part of MODCONFIRMED UNLYNCHABLE/UNKILLABLE do you not understand? Next person that discusses wbg or engages in any useless conversation with him get's my vote. Consider it like he is not even playing in this game.
/sandroba


Thank you Jackson ( : but keep in mind it is possible(though unlikely considering scums hate for flashy play early on) that Where is scum, we shouldnt just take his word for anything but I agree talking about Baelish is pointless and benefits scum the most. For now we can just ignore Where as if he was just a dumb poster.

moving on lets discuss policy(it'll only take a bit and we may as well get it over with early on) do we set a preliminary lynch deadline?(im leaning 8 hours in advance if we do) Do we policy lynch hardcore lurkers?(by hardcore I mean like 3 one liners a cycle, personally for this because lynching lurkers always helps clear the air a bit and they werent helping anyway so nothing really lost) are we going to elect a mayor?( I've never done this before so I dont know how that works)




in which you claim not to have read the D1 post properly, but you might equally well be trying to confuse any productive discussion happening in the thread. On top of that you ask about the mayor election, which even I had gathered does not happen unless Curu says it does: more misinformation and confusion to be cleared up, rather than spending time on useful stuff.

You end the last post with a request to talk about policy, but instead, as Oberyn put it nicely:
On March 22 2012 01:57 Oberyn wrote:
If you want to discuss policy, then why are you just giving a bunch of questions? You should share what your actual opinion is. A no-lynch should be out of the question as this person suggests:

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On March 21 2012 23:39 Xatalos wrote:
Ah, damn it... No editing! However, I just thought that since you HAVE to vote every day, it might not be such a bad idea to throw random votes early. In my previous Mafia games it was common not to lynch anyone on the first day, and wait for clues on the second day. When people random lynched on the first day, it usually just meant an easier win for the Mafia.



And now, to top it all off, you decide that I am scummy for backing down from a fight with someone I have no information about one way or the other. I'm inclined to call that an attempt at getting me bandwagoned. On top of that, you ask for me to roleclaim, which serves no point whatsoever, because nobody has any reason to believe me one way or the other this early in the game. So no, I won't play your scummy games.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 21 2012 18:13 GMT
#166
On March 22 2012 03:02 risk.nuke wrote:
Who wants to kill gumshoe? yey or ney?

yey
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 21 2012 18:15 GMT
#167
Any further discussion will have to wait til I'm home. Be back in about an hour.

PS. I read through a couple of games before signing up for this one. It's quite different to play than to watch! :D
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 21 2012 20:34 GMT
#216
On March 22 2012 05:16 Mattchew wrote:
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On March 22 2012 03:15 Acrofales wrote:
Any further discussion will have to wait til I'm home. Be back in about an hour.

PS. I read through a couple of games before signing up for this one. It's quite different to play than to watch! :D


where you at homeslice and why should i think you are not scum

Because I'm town. How about you?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 21 2012 21:21 GMT
#229
On March 22 2012 06:13 Mattchew wrote:
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On March 22 2012 05:34 Acrofales wrote:
On March 22 2012 05:16 Mattchew wrote:
On March 22 2012 03:15 Acrofales wrote:
Any further discussion will have to wait til I'm home. Be back in about an hour.

PS. I read through a couple of games before signing up for this one. It's quite different to play than to watch! :D


where you at homeslice and why should i think you are not scum

Because I'm town. How about you?

so you ignore the case against you and then come back with a one liner holding no information?

i say we lynch acrofales and everyone that has defended him

I'm still trying to figure out what case that is. I have already said twice now why I overreacted at first. Although I am starting to think my reaction was the right one. You're clearly not adding anything: you choose to ignore the two posts I made in defense of my overreaction, and now mention some case against me. Post your case clearly and properly and I will respond to you, but at the moment you just seem to be trolling me.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 21 2012 23:49 GMT
#253
I'm going to bed. If you have anything else you want answered (quickly), please say so now, or wait until morning (about 8 hours from now).
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 21 2012 23:50 GMT
#254
I think Mattchew is either scum or useless. Have not decided which yet, but leaning towards scum.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
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March 22 2012 09:01 GMT
#295
I'm awake. Reading the posts I missed and posting comments as I go.

risk.nuke
Please make your case against greymist, rather than just stating you have one.

oberyn
You have now made two posts with nothing useful in it. This last one starts with an OMGUS against SLJ, continues with a WIFOM about Gumshoe (who has not posted anything since sounding rather scummy. Fear when his plan backfired?) and ends with your only suggestion I agree with (as I said above). Why did you even bother posting this?

ON
You posted two very short posts, but why not post something more useful than a confirmation that I am town (I do appreciate your opinion). What do you think of Mattchew, Gumshoe or Oberyn?

Mattchew
I want to spend some more time chewing on this bone. Will post my thoughts later, for now you're still scum and your posts defending your meta have been lackluster and confusing.

Lurkers
Yes, you: Nicolas, Layabout, Zealos, Sinensis, Evantrees, Lyter and Risen. Why should we not lynch you, you're clearly not contributing anything.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 22 2012 09:03 GMT
#296
EBWOP: Nicolas has spoken, albeit meaningless procrastination talk. What is your opinion on.. well.. everything?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 22 2012 09:04 GMT
#297
Oh, my Gumshoe bit might be lost in the Oberyn part. If you're not scum, why have you not posted since your plan to have me roleclaim backfired in your face?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 22 2012 11:02 GMT
#300
Sinensis, what are you trying to achieve with this post? It seems to be all wrong. You should probably check your facts before waving your finger about. Your points about Oberyn make perfect sense, but your interpretation of MrZentor's first post is completely missing the point.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 22 2012 14:04 GMT
#313
On March 22 2012 22:17 Zealos wrote:
My thoughts:
Acro:
Why have you still not given some definitive thoughts? I asked a couple of pages ago and there is still nothing, are you just avoiding the question? The only people you say should be lynched atm are Lurkers, of which I am one, even though I have been fairly active. You made a point against gumshoe but haven't really elaborated or spoken of it since. I want to see you actually follow through on what you are saying.

I have been quite open with my opinions about everybody, but if there's something specific you're missing. Feel free to ask.

The reason I haven't followed up on Gumshoe is because my analysis of him is just as valid as it was when I first posted it. I could speculate about what others have said about him, but I prefer to wait and see what he says about it. I have called him out on it, but until he comes in, he's high on my scumometer. My main suspect at the moment is Mattchew (and has been since yesterday evening). My vote is still on him and I have no intention of changing it yet. I will post in a bit why he is my main suspect: I was working this morning and didn't get around to it.

About lurkers: the longer they post nothing of value, the less useful they are. They've all made their mandatory post this cycle, but most are extremely useless. Evantrees has said nothing except meaningless blather about WBG.

You fell in that category, as you made one useful post, although it was largely a copy of opinions already voiced in the thread. You accused me and Greymist and recanted the latter immediately and started backing out of the former. You then defended Gumshoe, but are now accusing him of top 2 scum. I'm confused what your actual opinion is, because you're flipflopping a bit. However, I agree with your later post on Greymist
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On March 22 2012 03:48 Zealos wrote:
Ok, I misread Grey's intentions with his post about lynching WBG.

I understand the need to question someone who is trying to lynch, but he was only asking for a post from Acro about his constant forwards and back with his opinions.

If he wants to prove to be innocent (To the extent that is possible at this point in the game) then he should tell us what he makes of the game thusfar.


and your newest on Gumshoe:
On March 22 2012 22:17 Zealos wrote:
Gumshoe
Alot of your posts seem completly substanceless, and make you look active, without making any strong stances. Such as
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Also do we want to elect a mayor?

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Also can we keep the Hodor's to a minimum?

When he finally begins to make a case against Acro, we get this very odd quote
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Acrofales seeing as your lynch is getting to be pretty likely maybe you should role claim?

Is this noob or scum? Not easy to tell, but some of your other posts make it seem closer to the latter.

I'd just like you to stay put long enough to say something about you.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 22 2012 14:39 GMT
#315
Why we should lynch Mattchew:

First off, he starts building an alibi with a case made of air. I understand the pressure vote, but his follow-up was lackluster:
On March 22 2012 02:21 Mattchew wrote:
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On March 22 2012 02:15 Lyter wrote:
I'd say ignore wbg at least for now, we have absolutely no idea what his motives/intentions could be, when more of a picture is formed then we should come back to it by all means.
I'm not sure on Acrofales, yea he could be flipping a shit cos he got called out so early, but his actions are hardly unlikely for a new guy anyway.

oh so your his scum teammate?

I understand that this is his character, but it is a very useless accusation. You assume I'm scum, therefore everybody who defends me must also be scum.

His main reason for calling me scum is:
On March 22 2012 03:28 Mattchew wrote:
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On March 22 2012 03:26 GreYMisT wrote:
Explain to us why he is.

over defensive "im a noob" that doesn't want to be be put in the spotlight. look at his reaction compared to the other "noob" guy with a vote on him. its way more aggressive and emotionally angry.

The meta-comparison is a completely moot point, as had been pointed out by a number of people. So you were basically tunneling on me, and the reasons given are flimsy at best.

Secondly, his defense when other people start questioning his motives:
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On March 22 2012 06:10 Mattchew wrote:
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On March 22 2012 05:32 MrZentor wrote:
Hello people of Mafia! It is I, MrZentor!

Anyways, I thought this started a day after it did, so I am a little late to the party.
Let me tell everybody my opinion, so you can get a good read on me!

First we have Acrofales overreacting to a vote that didn't have a basis.
On March 21 2012 22:54 Acrofales wrote:
Okay seriously WTF. I know I'm new to this game, but voting me for that reason alone makes no sense. In fact, it seems quite a scum move to cast suspicion on people right at the start of the game.

Or am I going overboard and it's just a way of getting people to post at the start of the game? Either way, I'm watching you and risk.nuke. Voting off the bat seems fishy.


He then votes for Mattchew.
On March 22 2012 00:04 Acrofales wrote:
Hodor's terribly talkative all of a sudden.

Luckily I have better sources than that. The Ghost of High Heart told me that you are scum.

##vote: Mattchew


Lyter defends Acrofales.
On March 22 2012 02:15 Lyter wrote:
I'd say ignore wbg at least for now, we have absolutely no idea what his motives/intentions could be, when more of a picture is formed then we should come back to it by all means.
I'm not sure on Acrofales, yea he could be flipping a shit cos he got called out so early, but his actions are hardly unlikely for a new guy anyway.

Then Mattchew, bad spelling in hand, attacks Lyter for defending Acrofales
On March 22 2012 02:21 Mattchew wrote:
On March 22 2012 02:15 Lyter wrote:
I'd say ignore wbg at least for now, we have absolutely no idea what his motives/intentions could be, when more of a picture is formed then we should come back to it by all means.
I'm not sure on Acrofales, yea he could be flipping a shit cos he got called out so early, but his actions are hardly unlikely for a new guy anyway.

oh so your his scum teammate?



I really don't like that Mattchew attacks Lyter for defending Acrofales, who I think at this point is innocent. It also seems silly that Mattchew is 100% positive that Acrofales is innocent over one nooby overreaction. If you look at Mattchew's filter, you will see he only said something slightly helpful when he was asked to; everything else is just him attacking other people without any real reason.

For now, I think he is most likely to be scum.


then MrZentor, bad reading comprehension in hand, makes a terrible post with his lead point of his slippery slope theory being untrue because Mattchew (who is awesome, sexy and lover of all townies) never even voted for Acrofales!

He does not answer MrZentor's questions or doubts, but instead deflects them and builds a straw man argument about whether or not he voted. This deflection is successful, because the rest of the entire page of discussion is about whether or not he actually voted: he STILL has not answered MrZentor's questions.

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On March 22 2012 07:35 Mattchew wrote:
lol

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yet he has not commented on anything else aside from tunneling acro, even when the other stuff happening in thread is tied to acro or has been a reaction to acro's posting. Mattchew has literally added nothing to the discussion while looking like he's applying pressure. It's basically false pressure.


so you want me to comment on what I am involved with already? wut?
and all i did was pressure a newbie who had a bad reaction, i just wanted to push him, and make him post some more.

The thread has talked about WBG (which is stupid), Gumshoe's "scumslip" (A common scum tactic to "catch" a townie on) and me/acro


More deflection without actually giving his opinion (except that the Acro-Mattchew controversy is the only useful thing in the thread to that point, which I disagree with).

Third, and final point: he is really trying to use meta-arguments to make himself look good in the discussion between him and DoYouHas. This is basically just useless fluff which serves only as a meta-defense as "look, I'm not a screwup noob". Okay, lets say I buy that. That leaves you being scum as the only explanation for you building a case out of air and avoiding any other meaningful discussion.



Newest info: his last post is actually something of substance, but I'm suspicious of him anyway. It might just be him realizing his gambit is failing and posting something townie. Specifically his sudden change to me being town
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March 22 2012 14:41 GMT
#316
@Zealos: I believe I just answered your question.
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March 22 2012 18:47 GMT
#328
On March 23 2012 00:50 Risen wrote:
Class for another hour and a half, time for some reading when I get back. (Just an update for those who may think I'm lurking since I haven't posted as much as I should have)

Most useless "I'm saying I'm not, but secretly am still lurking"-post I have seen in this thread. I think you might be beating out Evantrees for king of the lurks. Remember that in the Game of Thrones kings tend to lose their heads.
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March 22 2012 19:08 GMT
#334
Zealos, you're clearly here. What is your opinion on Mattchew?

Also @Mattchew: Chaoser asked you why you were tunneling on me and what your opinion was of other discussions in the thread, including what you thought of Greymist. Your answer:

EBWOP: The thread has talked about WBG (which is stupid), Gumshoe's "scumslip" (A common scum tactic to "catch" a townie on) and me/acro, what else would you like me to talk about? Retarded policy lynches of liars and lurkers OH BOY!


He then asked you why you put "scum slip" in quotes, and not just straight out? What was your reasoning for making it seem a fake scumslip, rather than an actual scumslip. Is gumshoe your scum buddie? Anyway, you have not answered that question.

Talking about that, you defended gumshoe earlier as well by implying that either I or he was scum, but not both. Now that you think I'm town, do you think he's scum?

As for MrZentor's question, he (indirectly) asked you why you accused Lyter, which you have only just replied with: you basically say it was a fake accusation. At the time it didn't seem fake. Also, you accuse me of being emotional, but this:
On March 22 2012 23:54 Mattchew wrote:
Acrofales, please point me to the meaningful conversations that I people seemingly want me to take part in, I see almost NOTHING of value that I haven't commented on already. Otherwise you are just stealing others words and have no idea what you are talking about because no one has been able to bring up examples of these conversations, yet I am continually ignoring them?


is more emotional than I ever was. All I see here is a giant OMGUS defense. Mattchew is Mafia.
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March 22 2012 20:40 GMT
#349
Filters are on page 1. I'm also interested in what you have to say. But hey, now that Sandroba/syllo is here, maybe we will get some of that veteran magic they promised. While I agree layabout hasn't been particularly useful, I also agree with Oberyn that I had expected more from a veteran team like you two. You seem to be coasting by on reputation, rather than actually adding anything.
Acrofales
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March 23 2012 10:13 GMT
#440
I've gotten to work and the morning mails out of the way.

Xatalos, you're an hour ahead from me and claiming to just have woken up. That's two days in a row you "wake up" at 11:30 am (ok, yesterday it was 10:30). I want your life.

Anyway, back to the discussion. I've caught up a bit (will read in more detail during the day), and my thoughts so far: Mattchew is still not posting anything helpful and makes a good lynch target.

I am not getting a scum read on Alderan. I have read DoYouHas' case and it seems to be entirely built from meta. Now I am inclined to disregard meta-arguments except for those people who know each other really well: one prior game does not make a very good analysis. Particularly it seems as if DoYouHas' argument hinges on Alderan playing the same in both games, which according to him is suspicious. WTF. Other than that I have gone through Alderan's filter, and while he does not seem to be contributing much, his few content posts seem town-oriented. Especially this one:
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On March 23 2012 04:19 Alderan wrote:
Just threw in a lip. Let's see if I can't make some sense of the drivel so far in this thread (not a knock on anyone, Day 1 always sucks.

@risk.nuke: Greymist is suspicious to me yes, but for nearly none of the reasons you provided. His comment on wherebugsgo was a joke, at least that's how I took it when I read it. I don't think it was some secret agenda to try to divert town discussion at all (which notably was the entire point of your huge post). I want to wait on Gumshoe to come back before I comment anymore on Greymist though.

@chaoser: No one is trying to give Gumshoe a pass, at least I haven't seen any, but we obviously need more discussion from him. He's been gone since the role claim thing, I'm just not too keen on busting out the pitch forks just yet.

@Zealos: Your contributions to the game thus far are as follows:
- Identify the 2 most common lynch targets.
- Place them into your lynch list.

Thats it. That is incredibly scummy. I shouldn't have to elaborate why.

@DYH: I'm never a fan of the idea that votes=pressure but I agree that Nicholas uses some pretty shotty logic. The coorlation between risk and Greymist is interesting, and something definitely to take not of, but like I said, I'll be commenting on Greymist more a bit later.


Some final thoughts:
- I think Mattchew was tunneling Acrofales to put on some pressure, but I think most can agree he's not as scummy as he once seemed.
- I know I was the one that brought up Oberyn's name first, but I'm not quite sold, again we need to wait for a response. I guess I have the luxury of being available in the hours running up to the deadline, but I urge everyone not to jump on the band wagon that quickly, use your head.
- As per usual, lurkers are killing us right now, we need to keep the conversation going (hence the nature and format of this post).

He counsels caution and backs it up with good analysis. Calmly posted and tempers down some of the emotional people in this thread. I like his point addressing risk.nuke: risk.nuke's analysis is absurd and based almost entirely on suspicion about Greymist's sarcasm. I also don't much like Greymist's posts, but risk.nuke is hammering on him for entirely the wrong reasons.

Sinensis: why are you so up in arms about MrZentor? I have read your case and it is based entirely upon you misinterpreting his first post (as I said earlier). Please post a proper case if you want us to take you seriously.

Oberyn: his long post has some solid analysis, but I don't like a lot of it. It seems townie, but it could be a mafia posting townie stuff to save his ass. Not a lynch target, but still suspicious.

Gumshoe: wtf. Seriously. I cannot even understand most of his posts, it just seems to be insane jibberish. Lynch, or vig shot, I don't care, but please can we get rid of him? Half his posts are answering WBG anyway, who I thought we had agreed to ignore completely? Examples of inane jibberish:

Both games I've lost so far have involved us at points lynching important players who could become assests later on, but I dont know maybe I've been playing too much mass effect, point is I think both Alderaan and Layabout are scum, I've already asked the question, also It's possible they both actually are scum(even though alderaan has clearly been seen trying to distance himself from layabout by voting for him, thought that could be townie or scummy), in which case the question of whose a bigger threat is perfectly valid.

What does this mean? Is Alderan scum? Is Layabout scum? Are both scum? I cannot make head or tail of this post.

SLJ: Syllo, that seems like a valid point, but you're in the game, so it'd be nice if you could do something. At the very least, Sandroba wanted to play this so badly that he dragged you in, yet his posts are almost less enlightening than yours. Someone should just vig hit you and be done with it, because it's clear you're not going to do anything this game.
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March 23 2012 11:00 GMT
#442
Risen: wtf did you do to this thread. You posted an entire page of posts with largely useless analysis and ended up sheeping the Mattchew vote. While I agree with your final choice, your reasoning is completely out of wack. In your giant walls of text, you say I am more suspect than Mattchew, yet you vote for him. Why?

There seems a lot of too-dumb-to-be-mafia going around and I think it would be way too easy to hide in this crap as mafia. We should stop using that as an excuse for anybody. I know that I have used it, but I don't give a crap at this point, the thread is getting so full of stupid, useless fake analysis stuff that I am almost at the point of saying we should policy lynch Sinensis, Risen, DoYouHas or risk.nuke for posting such inane stuff. I am new here and even I can see that the cases you post are flinterthin. Do you even think before you post, or are you really just trying to fill your filter with something that seems useful, but really isn't.

Talking about lynching. We have 13 hours left and I think it's about time to start making a decision and stop casting votes in senseless directions. Luckily my senseless direction 15 minutes into the game seems to be a pretty good guess and we should lynch Mattchew, based on my earlier stated case. Anybody have a better idea?
Acrofales
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March 23 2012 11:13 GMT
#443
SLJ: if most of the things said are town reads, then who do you currently suspect of being mafia? Sandro's last idea was Layabout, and you were supposed to post the case. Yet, you came in and said he was town (although you didn't unvote him). So who is mafia? Imho your behaviour is increasingly suspect. As a potential leader for town, you're doing a subpar job. So is greymist, btw.
Acrofales
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March 23 2012 11:33 GMT
#445
On March 23 2012 20:28 SamuelLJackson wrote:
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On March 23 2012 20:13 Acrofales wrote:
SLJ: if most of the things said are town reads, then who do you currently suspect of being mafia? Sandro's last idea was Layabout, and you were supposed to post the case. Yet, you came in and said he was town (although you didn't unvote him). So who is mafia? Imho your behaviour is increasingly suspect. As a potential leader for town, you're doing a subpar job. So is greymist, btw.

I wasn't supposed to post anything and did not come in and say he was town. I only told sandroba that wbg has a point about layabout's tone not being what I expect from his mafia play, but he hasn't posted enough to go further than that. Out of the players we are more comfortable reading, we do not currently like chaoser and greymist. I scum hunt primarily by process of elimination, so a lot of my focus is on "confirming" townies.

There is absolutely nothing "suspect" about our behaviour, so while you have a point about us not putting in much effort yet, and I won't promise I will, you should focus your attention elsewhere.

These are not the droids you're looking for.
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March 23 2012 11:35 GMT
#447
Anyway, I kinda agree that you haven't done anything that makes you seem particularly scummy. I just don't like your inactivity. I see why you think Greymist is scummy, but I was getting town vibes for Chaoser. Why do you think he's mafia?
Acrofales
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March 23 2012 16:04 GMT
#469
Lol Risen. I don't think I ever called you scum, I got irritated reading useless analyses. The policy-lynch on people spamming up the thread with throw-away analyses was only semi-serious and posted in frustration at the lack of useful content. I'd rather lynch Mattchew or Gumshoe, who I suspect of actually being scum, rather than useless townies.

I called out your analysis together with the rest, because despite not being bad like the others, it spams up an entire page and rather than encouraging conversation, stifles it. Instead of correcting with a good analysis you overreact hugely about my suggestion to lynch, and post a load of WIFOM.

Also, your response to WBG is fishy: not only do we not know his sanity, but we don't know whether he'd even tell the truth, or even whether he is a DT. The only correct way of dealing with WBG's random assertions is to ignore them.

The only way for us to know anything is to scumhunt (and use our own DTs and trackers) textually. Btw, if WBG actually contributed some useful scumhunting, he *might* be worth listening to, but so far he has trolled and posted random assertions.
Acrofales
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March 23 2012 19:39 GMT
#498
Wheee, afternoon drinks are in. Mattchew, wtf. There's a giant difference between roleclaiming in the first 10 minutes of the game and the 2nd, or 3rd day. Especially if someone does it discretely rather than because some idiot yells "ROLE CLAIM OR DIE!!!!"

WTF Lyter. He drops in 4 hours before the vote to give us his expert opinion after like 2 days of absense. /bow down to master lurker.
Acrofales
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March 23 2012 19:43 GMT
#500
So what's the vote rule anyway? Does it have to be an absolute majority? Or is it just whoever has the most votes? I can't find it in the Rules section
Acrofales
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March 23 2012 20:00 GMT
#506
Gwaaaach, I hate making sense of the voting thread. If I count from VE's post onward, I think I come up with the following count. Counting votes fucking sucks, but I need to know.

Alderan: Greymist (1)
Acrofales: Risen (1)
Mattchew: Evantrees, MrZentor, Acrofales (3)
Gumshoe: Xatalos (1)
Greymist: Oberyn (1)
Risk.nuke: Chaoser (1)
SLJ: ON (1)
Layabout: Alderan, Gumshoe, SLJ (3)
Alderan: DYH (1)
Oberyn: Greymist, Mattchew, Zealos, DYH (4)
DYH: WBG (1)

Which basically means you all suck. It is not only spread out, but the only guy with a majority is not Mattchew, Gumshoe, or Zealos. The three people who have by far the most points in my scumometer. /smacks scumometer. Nope. still gives the same read.

I'm not sure how this normally works, but if the idea is to kill Oberyn based on a vote that is all over the map, it seems fucked up. Can Greymist, Matt, Zealos or DYH please post a decent case on why the hell we should vote Oberyn since his latest post? It seems like a fucked up Mafia bandwagon to me.
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March 23 2012 20:01 GMT
#507
EBWOP: specially with both Matt (imho scum) and Zealos (seriously suspicious) on the bandwagon.
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March 23 2012 20:04 GMT
#511
On March 24 2012 05:02 layabout wrote:
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On March 24 2012 04:59 Mattchew wrote:
EBWOP: i meant to add in that i don't like lynching someone that i agree with that heavily day 1. i would like to see more from layabout

So would i but i need to clear my head first.

Lol, join the club. Btw, you all suck and my gf is telling me to do the shopping. Be back in a while.
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March 23 2012 20:07 GMT
#512
WTF, I hate counting votes. I thought I was meticulous, but I wasn't. In that case ignore my analysis, except that Oberyn is a terrible vote. Take it from me.
Acrofales
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March 23 2012 22:10 GMT
#550
Lol. Are we seriously putting our lynch in the hands of either mafia or littlefinger?! This is really retarded. However, I have no idea where to put my vote. My earlier reads were Mattchew, Gumshoe and Zealos. Nobody else seems to want to vote for them, although for the life of me I don't know why not.

I guess I could add Evantrees to my lynch targets, if we're going to policy lynch a hardcore lurker. Another option is to lynch Nicolas. Chaoser said he'll probably be modkilled anyway?

Anything seems better than leaving it so that a mobster switches before the end with some bullshit excuse and we mislynch a townie due to derp. Or WBG jumps and we can't even retaliate by vig shotting him.
Acrofales
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March 23 2012 22:12 GMT
#552
Given that my favourite scum target isn't getting killed anyway I'll start the bandwagon on a modkilled guy!

##unvote
##vote Nicolas
Acrofales
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March 23 2012 22:21 GMT
#566
On March 24 2012 07:15 GreYMisT wrote:
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On March 24 2012 07:10 Acrofales wrote:
Lol. Are we seriously putting our lynch in the hands of either mafia or littlefinger?! This is really retarded. However, I have no idea where to put my vote. My earlier reads were Mattchew, Gumshoe and Zealos. Nobody else seems to want to vote for them, although for the life of me I don't know why not.

I guess I could add Evantrees to my lynch targets, if we're going to policy lynch a hardcore lurker. Another option is to lynch Nicolas. Chaoser said he'll probably be modkilled anyway?

Anything seems better than leaving it so that a mobster switches before the end with some bullshit excuse and we mislynch a townie due to derp. Or WBG jumps and we can't even retaliate by vig shotting him.


You "Guess you could add Evantrees to your lynch targets?" What the crap? This entire post is just asking other people to make decisions for you.

Don't read shit into it that's not there. I don't want to policy-lynch, I want to lynch Mattchew, but that is clearly not going to happen. Rather than wasting my vote there and having whoever the fuck wants switch at the last second to mislynch a useful townie, I'd rather policy-lynch a lurker or someone who's going to get modkilled. I chose the modkilled.

Now stop confusing shit more than it is already and consolidate your own vote somewhere useful, or make a better case against Oberyn, because so far it has been: he's useless. He is a lot LESS useless than Evantrees or Nicolas, so if that's your criteria, your vote's in the wrong place.
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March 23 2012 22:32 GMT
#581
On March 24 2012 07:18 Risen wrote:
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On March 24 2012 07:15 GreYMisT wrote:
On March 24 2012 07:10 Acrofales wrote:
Lol. Are we seriously putting our lynch in the hands of either mafia or littlefinger?! This is really retarded. However, I have no idea where to put my vote. My earlier reads were Mattchew, Gumshoe and Zealos. Nobody else seems to want to vote for them, although for the life of me I don't know why not.

I guess I could add Evantrees to my lynch targets, if we're going to policy lynch a hardcore lurker. Another option is to lynch Nicolas. Chaoser said he'll probably be modkilled anyway?

Anything seems better than leaving it so that a mobster switches before the end with some bullshit excuse and we mislynch a townie due to derp. Or WBG jumps and we can't even retaliate by vig shotting him.


You "Guess you could add Evantrees to your lynch targets?" What the crap? This entire post is just asking other people to make decisions for you.


That's all he does. His play is so fucking scummy. How the fuck am I the only one on him, why did people switch off this guy? If he's not lynched he needs to be shot n1.

You're pissing me off. If I wasn't sober enough to know I was drunk I would post a whole load of angry crap here. Please come up with a single (only one) example of your allegations. The one you're quoting is retarded as I suggesting a policy-lynch on EITHER Evantrees (lurker) or Nicolas (modkill target). I don't have a clue which of these is better. I have some hope that Evantrees will participate something some time in the future, whereas Nicolas clearly won't, so I'm leaning slightly to Nic, but it's really six of one and half a dozen of the other.
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March 24 2012 07:31 GMT
#650
I just woke up and am going out all day, but I just wanted a quick say.

Firstly, SLJ just soared sky-high in my scumometer. He was very hedgy about why he was voting for Layabout. In fact, I don't even know that there was ever a case against him, except for this:
But I have a better idea, let's lynch layabout for not giving a fuck and popping in to support my case on oberyn and sprouting a lot of bullshit in all of his posts. Filter laya and check it out. Maybe syllo will be kind enough to pop in and make a decent case. Meanwhile you can all trust me and just get laya lynched.

and:
Me and syllo are arguing about who is going to post here, because none of us feel like it. Honestly I don't have a magical sure shot lynch for day 1, mostly because I'm not familiar with most of the new players here. I stand by my choice of lynching layabout especially after him flipping scum on c9++ and lurking the same way. I'd rather we didn't lynch mattchew today, because he is being very active at least, and that's never a good idea for day1 lynch, unless we are pretty sure of it, which I'm certainly not.

And that is the sum total for why SLJ started the layabout suspicion.

Another vote that jumped out was the last minute switch by MrZentor. His reasoning seems fatalistic and exactly the kind of reasoning a mobster would use to voteswitch at the last second, if needed to save his scumbuddy greymist.

Now I'm off. See you tonight.
Acrofales
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March 24 2012 18:08 GMT
#665
So if I got this right, we're spending the night jacking off and trolling this thread? Sounds like a good call after a mislynch. Anyway, back from climbing and I plan on going through the filters and analysing some stuff, so tomorrow we can lynch actual mafia.

Hopefully our DTs and Vigis are actually on their game, so this night isn't as useless as it seems.
Acrofales
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March 24 2012 18:31 GMT
#670
MrZentor, you're posting a cipher, and will later give us a magical key that will read whatever the hell you like? It is almost as transparent as WBG's RNG vote. Hey guys, if I F5 the RNG often enough it'll tell me to lynch myself, trololololol!
Acrofales
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March 24 2012 18:55 GMT
#673
Okay. I'll start with my top scum targets of yesterday:

Mattchew
His posts last night actually sound to me like town, despite his trolling of me. Btw, I checked and my count was fairly right, despite being drunk. You didn't unvote your prior vote, so technically you were still voting for Oberyn. Not that it matters.

Reasons he is dropping on my scumometer: was trying to make sense of the clusterfuck of a lynch and seemed to be honestly concerned about the lynch target. I am neutral on his defense of Layabout, because it is really easy for mafia to defend a townie at the last minute: they know he's town and posting something in his favour is easy as hell.

I also like his final vote on Evantrees and regret my choice to try to get a lynch on Nicolas going just before I went to bed: that vote was wasted, and if I had chosen Evantrees, there's a good chance we would have lynched his useless ass, instead of Layabout who actually posted something useful from time to time.

VERDICT: suspicious, but no longer prime suspect (see below).

Gumshoe
Posted absolutely nothing during all of yesterday, but already had his vote on Layabout from the very start! It would be so fucking easy for mafia to organize a bandwagon and tell gumshoe to shut up, because he was for some reason flying completely under the radar. WTF. In fact, why the hell did we not lynch gumshoe yesterday? GRAFADSFADSAFGDFGA.

VERDICT: SCUM

Zealos
Was entirely absent all of yesterday. No change in opinion one way or the other.

VERDICT: suspicious.

Now for those who recently appeared on my radar.

Greymist: it is impossible to not take Greymist into account.
The problem I have with the case against Greymist is that it is almost exclusively built on derps misunderstanding sarcasm. This seems almost too easy for Mafia to jump on. I am therefore going to suggest a novel theory: Greymist is just as innocent as Layabout.
I guess that sorta nullifies my earlier post about MrZentor, because it cannot be that Greymist is innocent and MrZentor is trying to protect his scumbuddy Greymist. I previously had town reads on MrZentor and the only blip was his vote for Layabout. While I still think his reason for jumping on Layabout was bad, it's probably not a scumtell.

VERDICT: Greymist and MrZentor -- town.

SLJ:
Started the case against Layabout on wishywashy reasons. They then couldn't be bothered to hop off layabout when he was in danger, and are blaming sheeples for lynching him. This is either TERRIBLE town or TERRIBLE scum. Both seem highly out of character. My vote is actually to vig shot them and put Syllo at the very least out of his misery.

VERDICT: Suspicious (together with Alderan rapidly approaching Mattchew for 2nd place on the scumometer standings), but maybe just doesn't actually want to play the game and can't be fucked.

Alderan and Risen:

VERDICT: sheeples. Risen's posts today and yesterday seem okay, if replete with horrible analysis. Alderan was slightly dodgy to start with and his vote for Layabout did not improve my opinion for him. Risen is probably town and Alderan is competing with SLJ for the third place on the scumometer.
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March 24 2012 19:01 GMT
#676
On March 25 2012 03:33 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Also @WBG were you bullshitting about having day checks? If you were not probably get his role name. Do you mind saying a letter from his role name plus the backwards position (from the end of the word to the begging) number which that letter is? So that mattchew can confirm you have checks. That is if you are feeling kind and generous <3

Mind if I repeat myself?


Also, your response to WBG is fishy: not only do we not know his sanity, but we don't know whether he'd even tell the truth, or even whether he is a DT. The only correct way of dealing with WBG's random assertions is to ignore them.


This might tell us whether WBG is a DT or not (although why you think Mattchew can confirm that is beyond me), but it cannot possibly tell us whether he is sane or more importantly, TELLING THE TRUTH.
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March 24 2012 19:06 GMT
#678
EBWOP my analysis: Crap, I rushed the end. Now that I actually looked at Alderan's filter, I think I was too hasty in writing him off as suspicious. Not sure why I thought I thought he was suspicious yesterday. His filter actually looks townie up til his jump onto the Layabout bandwagon. Amendment for Alderan: probably town.
Acrofales
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March 24 2012 19:19 GMT
#680
Now my advice for DTs and medics. I would really like Greymist confirmed town, as it would make our life 100% easier.
Alternatively go scumhunting. My top targets for maybe scum, but we don't really know:

- Mattchew
- SLJ
- Zealos

Medics: I have to say that I am new to this game and completely clueless who needs protecting at this point. Maybe Greymist? If he's town and we confirm that then mafia has a giant headache. Otherwise I don't have a clue.
Acrofales
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March 24 2012 19:25 GMT
#683
On March 25 2012 04:20 MrZentor wrote:
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On March 25 2012 03:31 Acrofales wrote:
MrZentor, you're posting a cipher, and will later give us a magical key that will read whatever the hell you like? It is almost as transparent as WBG's RNG vote. Hey guys, if I F5 the RNG often enough it'll tell me to lynch myself, trololololol!


No. I have a message that I need to say later, but I need to prove that I had it now, so I decided to do it this way.


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On March 25 2012 03:55 Acrofales wrote:
Okay. I'll start with my top scum targets of yesterday:

Mattchew
His posts last night actually sound to me like town, despite his trolling of me. Btw, I checked and my count was fairly right, despite being drunk. You didn't unvote your prior vote, so technically you were still voting for Oberyn. Not that it matters.

Reasons he is dropping on my scumometer: was trying to make sense of the clusterfuck of a lynch and seemed to be honestly concerned about the lynch target. I am neutral on his defense of Layabout, because it is really easy for mafia to defend a townie at the last minute: they know he's town and posting something in his favour is easy as hell.

I also like his final vote on Evantrees and regret my choice to try to get a lynch on Nicolas going just before I went to bed: that vote was wasted, and if I had chosen Evantrees, there's a good chance we would have lynched his useless ass, instead of Layabout who actually posted something useful from time to time.

VERDICT: suspicious, but no longer prime suspect (see below).

Gumshoe
Posted absolutely nothing during all of yesterday, but already had his vote on Layabout from the very start! It would be so fucking easy for mafia to organize a bandwagon and tell gumshoe to shut up, because he was for some reason flying completely under the radar. WTF. In fact, why the hell did we not lynch gumshoe yesterday? GRAFADSFADSAFGDFGA.

VERDICT: SCUM

Zealos
Was entirely absent all of yesterday. No change in opinion one way or the other.

VERDICT: suspicious.

Now for those who recently appeared on my radar.

Greymist: it is impossible to not take Greymist into account.
The problem I have with the case against Greymist is that it is almost exclusively built on derps misunderstanding sarcasm. This seems almost too easy for Mafia to jump on. I am therefore going to suggest a novel theory: Greymist is just as innocent as Layabout.
I guess that sorta nullifies my earlier post about MrZentor, because it cannot be that Greymist is innocent and MrZentor is trying to protect his scumbuddy Greymist. I previously had town reads on MrZentor and the only blip was his vote for Layabout. While I still think his reason for jumping on Layabout was bad, it's probably not a scumtell.

VERDICT: Greymist and MrZentor -- town.

SLJ:
Started the case against Layabout on wishywashy reasons. They then couldn't be bothered to hop off layabout when he was in danger, and are blaming sheeples for lynching him. This is either TERRIBLE town or TERRIBLE scum. Both seem highly out of character. My vote is actually to vig shot them and put Syllo at the very least out of his misery.

VERDICT: Suspicious (together with Alderan rapidly approaching Mattchew for 2nd place on the scumometer standings), but maybe just doesn't actually want to play the game and can't be fucked.

Alderan and Risen:

VERDICT: sheeples. Risen's posts today and yesterday seem okay, if replete with horrible analysis. Alderan was slightly dodgy to start with and his vote for Layabout did not improve my opinion for him. Risen is probably town and Alderan is competing with SLJ for the third place on the scumometer.


*facepalm*

I didn't vote for layabout. I voted for greymst. In fact, I remember calling the lynch retarded before it happened, because there really was no reason to think Layabout was mafia.



LOL. Okay. That explains all of my confusion about you. Sorry about earlier. I think I'll quote Mattchew:
On March 24 2012 05:15 Mattchew wrote:
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 24 2012 19:26 GMT
#684
However, why do you read scum on Greymist?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 24 2012 19:29 GMT
#685
And for clarification: I am quoting Mattchew posting a picture of "me" (thank god I don't actually look like that). I have learnt that people in this thread have a problem understanding humour unless it is written in big bold letters at the top of the post. I am not above a bit of laughing at myself when I do something dumb.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 24 2012 20:18 GMT
#690
Okay, I checked WBG's filter. I forgot the bit where WBG said he checked Mattchew. I am going to say it is completely and utterly stupid to suggest we can trust WBG based on this.

WBG says Mattchew is town
WBG says the 5th letter from the right in his role name is an A (pulling this out of my ass)
Mattchew says "holy fuck that's right"!

Conclusion:
Mattchew must be town? Trolololololololol DERP
WBG must be trustworthy? Trololololololololol DERP

Now alternatively Mattchew says "trolololol liar"!

Conclusion:
Mattchew must be scum? Trololololol DERP (btw, I'm not saying he's town, just that it doesn't work in this logic)
WBG must be untrustworthy? Hell yes (but anybody using his brain already knew this)

SLJ: what the hell were you hoping to learn from this? You're a veteran player and basically trolling atm. If you're trying to overtake Gumshoe for the dumbest scum in the game you're doing a pretty good job.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 24 2012 20:20 GMT
#691
Please, someone vig hit SLJ tonight. He is doing way more harm than good atm.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 24 2012 20:22 GMT
#692
And that is hell of a dangerous, because people clearly listen to him, as seen by the Oberyn bandwagon and Layabout lynch.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 24 2012 20:35 GMT
#695
On March 25 2012 05:28 GreYMisT wrote:
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On March 25 2012 05:18 Acrofales wrote:
Okay, I checked WBG's filter. I forgot the bit where WBG said he checked Mattchew. I am going to say it is completely and utterly stupid to suggest we can trust WBG based on this.

WBG says Mattchew is town
WBG says the 5th letter from the right in his role name is an A (pulling this out of my ass)
Mattchew says "holy fuck that's right"!

Conclusion:
Mattchew must be town? Trolololololololol DERP
WBG must be trustworthy? Trololololololololol DERP

Now alternatively Mattchew says "trolololol liar"!

Conclusion:
Mattchew must be scum? Trololololol DERP (btw, I'm not saying he's town, just that it doesn't work in this logic)
WBG must be untrustworthy? Hell yes (but anybody using his brain already knew this)

SLJ: what the hell were you hoping to learn from this? You're a veteran player and basically trolling atm. If you're trying to overtake Gumshoe for the dumbest scum in the game you're doing a pretty good job.


No one in the game has said we can trust WBG, IDK where you are getting that from.


Here is the latest from SLJ:
On March 25 2012 03:33 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Also @WBG were you bullshitting about having day checks? If you were not probably get his role name. Do you mind saying a letter from his role name plus the backwards position (from the end of the word to the begging) number which that letter is? So that mattchew can confirm you have checks. That is if you are feeling kind and generous <3


WBG earlier this game:
On March 23 2012 20:57 wherebugsgo wrote:
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On March 23 2012 20:46 Mattchew wrote:
wbg you know better than that, I thought you wanted to help town


you're right, maybe this will help:

Mattchew is confirmed town, I checked him today.


Connect the dots.

Also (I thought it was a joke in frustration at the lynch, but given the above WTFBBQuotes I'm not so sure anymore):
On March 24 2012 17:13 SamuelLJackson wrote:
WBG let's join forces. I don't want to win with town anymore. I went out at 6 o'clock, I told everyone my case on laya was shit and people still sheep me. Srsly town why the fuck did you lynch laya. I was obviously joking. I realize I sound scummy as fuck. Dun care.

Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 24 2012 21:43 GMT
#717
On March 25 2012 06:07 wherebugsgo wrote:
If you don't trust me about Mattchew then just kill him and see for yourself.

At any rate, the letters from his role PM:

Fifth = o, tenth = e.

Seventh in second line = a.

Right now my spidy sense tells me sandro is town. Cause he's a boss. However we should kill one of Risen/GreYMisT cause they're scummy.

Oh and Lyter too.


Hello and welcome to A Game of Thrones Mafia!

You are a WHO THE FUCK CARES


Trololololol. I actually did laugh.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 24 2012 21:45 GMT
#718
Bah, bolded letters in a sentence don't show up properly. Curu, may we please lynch WBG tomorrow for trolling us mercilessly?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 24 2012 21:50 GMT
#721
Seeing as nothing of note is happening at the moment and we're all waiting for WBG to be chucked out the moon door (PLEASE CURU, DO IT!!!). I have a question for WBG (yes, I want to be trolled).

WBG: why are 3/4 of your posts obsessed with killing Greymist or asserting that he is scum?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 24 2012 21:57 GMT
#724
On March 25 2012 06:53 Risen wrote:
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On March 25 2012 06:50 Acrofales wrote:
Seeing as nothing of note is happening at the moment and we're all waiting for WBG to be chucked out the moon door (PLEASE CURU, DO IT!!!). I have a question for WBG (yes, I want to be trolled).

WBG: why are 3/4 of your posts obsessed with killing Greymist or asserting that he is scum?


Pretty sure he's telling scum not to rb him so he can shoot me.

Also, should I roleclaim? Everyone seems to want me dead.


Firstly, I didn't think you were scum, but now you're panicking irrationally and WBG tells me that is a scumtell.

Secondly, why should we believe you if you roleclaim?

Thirdly, lets say you roleclaim. Why the hell should that stop a CRAZY IMMORTAL 3RD PARTY from killing you?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 24 2012 22:00 GMT
#725
AAAAAAAAAAAAGGH, you fail at logic.

If you think that roleclaiming will save you, you have to roleclaim IN TIME for whoever you think is going to shoot you in the face for failing at logic TO CHANGE THEIR ACTION.

But yeah, go ahead and call the vigilantes off by roleclaiming some important blue role and have the mafia shoot you in the face.

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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 24 2012 22:04 GMT
#727
Dude, you've been calling for a vig hit on me all day. Please please please tell me you're not dumb enough to shoot one of the few active town players here.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 24 2012 22:08 GMT
#729
On March 25 2012 07:06 Risen wrote:
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On March 25 2012 07:04 Acrofales wrote:
Dude, you've been calling for a vig hit on me all day. Please please please tell me you're not dumb enough to shoot one of the few active town players here.


I still think you're one of the scummiest players in the game.

Oh ffs. You're actually going to make me counter that POS case you posted? Okay, here goes. Can you please promise not to shoot me until I actually post?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 24 2012 23:00 GMT
#753
Firstly, I have reconsidered and you're a stupid idiot. I hope mafia shoot you and get PGO'd in the face, NOW STOP SCARING ME.

Now on to your bullshit case, because I might as well get rid of this crap.

On March 23 2012 06:01 Risen wrote:
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On March 21 2012 22:54 Acrofales wrote:
Okay seriously WTF. I know I'm new to this game, but voting me for that reason alone makes no sense. In fact, it seems quite a scum move to cast suspicion on people right at the start of the game.

Or am I going overboard and it's just a way of getting people to post at the start of the game? Either way, I'm watching you and risk.nuke. Voting off the bat seems fishy.


Everything about this post screams emotional overreaction to being voted with something that is clearly not a serious vote.

Yeah. Had I mentioned this is my first game? Oh yeah. Only like umpteen billion times.


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On March 22 2012 02:23 Acrofales wrote:
On March 22 2012 01:50 DoYouHas wrote:
Acrofales reads exactly like newb scum to me from his first posts. His first post reads as already being defensive to me:
On March 21 2012 18:51 Acrofales wrote:
Hi everybody!

Well, Curu hasn't said I cannot speculate about Petyr's win condition. Remember that this is idle speculation, but I have read the books a number of times and if Petyr is anything, he is untrustworthy. He only serves his own means, so I am inclined to ignore everything he says, including that he is a vanilla townie

My hunch is that he must kill Ned Stark and keep Catelyn and/or Sansa alive until the end of the game to win.


And then he pulls an OMGUS on 2 different people in a very short period of time.

##Vote: Acrofales

Gumshoe, wake up and read day1 carefully. We already know who Littlefinger is 100%. It is given information. Your posts are yet to actually be relevant to the game.


What you bolded was basically a follow-up to my question before the game started:
On March 20 2012 18:13 Acrofales wrote:
Are we allowed to speculate about what Littlefinger's win condition is? I have a hunch

Unfortunately it has nothing to do with Dementors eating Daenerys baby in order to generate infinite facebook spam messages.


As for the rest, I've calmed down a bit, with later people talking about the random votes. It is my first game (ever) and I was hoping to live past the first day. People instavoting for me got me a bit upset. I am happy to unvote Matthew when a better candidate comes up, the ghost of High Heart is kinda cryptic when it comes to her prophecies It was more of a "if you vote for me, then I'll vote for you"-thing anyway.

That said, Matthew, why did you vote for me? Chaoser already had the random vote on me. The 2nd one was just mean. That vote has been the entire contribution to this game, with no explanation or text (except for a lololololol, which is even less useful).


For reasons I can't put my finger on, I get the feeling from this post that Acro is either horrible, horrible town, or trying to just talk with mattchew so they can generate discussion that looks pro-town. Makes me feel like Acro and mattchew are both scum.

I like to think I have improved my play during the course of this game, but if you like to call me horrible horrible town, go ahead. The important part in this post was, and I will reiterate: is my first game (ever) and I was hoping to live past the first day.

Now that I have achieved that, I would like to add that I want to live past the first night too. I like your read on Mattchew, though. Since then he has been somewhat useful, but I'm still suspicious of him. I hope you are too. In fact, why not kill him instead of me, in the offchance that you are what you're claiming to be.

Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 05:34 Acrofales wrote:
On March 22 2012 05:16 Mattchew wrote:
On March 22 2012 03:15 Acrofales wrote:
Any further discussion will have to wait til I'm home. Be back in about an hour.

PS. I read through a couple of games before signing up for this one. It's quite different to play than to watch! :D


where you at homeslice and why should i think you are not scum

Because I'm town. How about you?



More proof of my earlier feeling.

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On March 22 2012 06:21 Acrofales wrote:
On March 22 2012 06:13 Mattchew wrote:
On March 22 2012 05:34 Acrofales wrote:
On March 22 2012 05:16 Mattchew wrote:
On March 22 2012 03:15 Acrofales wrote:
Any further discussion will have to wait til I'm home. Be back in about an hour.

PS. I read through a couple of games before signing up for this one. It's quite different to play than to watch! :D


where you at homeslice and why should i think you are not scum

Because I'm town. How about you?

so you ignore the case against you and then come back with a one liner holding no information?

i say we lynch acrofales and everyone that has defended him

I'm still trying to figure out what case that is. I have already said twice now why I overreacted at first. Although I am starting to think my reaction was the right one. You're clearly not adding anything: you choose to ignore the two posts I made in defense of my overreaction, and now mention some case against me. Post your case clearly and properly and I will respond to you, but at the moment you just seem to be trolling me.


Even more...

Even more what? How is this any kind of anything except Mattchew throwing one-liner accusations? I stand by my initial defense: I was being trolled by a fake vote and one-liner accusations. Even Mattchew, the chobo throwing them has backed off. We'll get to your WIFOM about Mattchew and me in a minute.


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On March 22 2012 23:39 Acrofales wrote:
Why we should lynch Mattchew:

First off, he starts building an alibi with a case made of air. I understand the pressure vote, but his follow-up was lackluster:
On March 22 2012 02:21 Mattchew wrote:
On March 22 2012 02:15 Lyter wrote:
I'd say ignore wbg at least for now, we have absolutely no idea what his motives/intentions could be, when more of a picture is formed then we should come back to it by all means.
I'm not sure on Acrofales, yea he could be flipping a shit cos he got called out so early, but his actions are hardly unlikely for a new guy anyway.

oh so your his scum teammate?

I understand that this is his character, but it is a very useless accusation. You assume I'm scum, therefore everybody who defends me must also be scum.

His main reason for calling me scum is:
On March 22 2012 03:28 Mattchew wrote:
On March 22 2012 03:26 GreYMisT wrote:
Explain to us why he is.

over defensive "im a noob" that doesn't want to be be put in the spotlight. look at his reaction compared to the other "noob" guy with a vote on him. its way more aggressive and emotionally angry.

The meta-comparison is a completely moot point, as had been pointed out by a number of people. So you were basically tunneling on me, and the reasons given are flimsy at best.

Secondly, his defense when other people start questioning his motives:
+ Show Spoiler [Reply to Zentor] +
On March 22 2012 06:10 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 05:32 MrZentor wrote:
Hello people of Mafia! It is I, MrZentor!

Anyways, I thought this started a day after it did, so I am a little late to the party.
Let me tell everybody my opinion, so you can get a good read on me!

First we have Acrofales overreacting to a vote that didn't have a basis.
On March 21 2012 22:54 Acrofales wrote:
Okay seriously WTF. I know I'm new to this game, but voting me for that reason alone makes no sense. In fact, it seems quite a scum move to cast suspicion on people right at the start of the game.

Or am I going overboard and it's just a way of getting people to post at the start of the game? Either way, I'm watching you and risk.nuke. Voting off the bat seems fishy.


He then votes for Mattchew.
On March 22 2012 00:04 Acrofales wrote:
Hodor's terribly talkative all of a sudden.

Luckily I have better sources than that. The Ghost of High Heart told me that you are scum.

##vote: Mattchew


Lyter defends Acrofales.
On March 22 2012 02:15 Lyter wrote:
I'd say ignore wbg at least for now, we have absolutely no idea what his motives/intentions could be, when more of a picture is formed then we should come back to it by all means.
I'm not sure on Acrofales, yea he could be flipping a shit cos he got called out so early, but his actions are hardly unlikely for a new guy anyway.

Then Mattchew, bad spelling in hand, attacks Lyter for defending Acrofales
On March 22 2012 02:21 Mattchew wrote:
On March 22 2012 02:15 Lyter wrote:
I'd say ignore wbg at least for now, we have absolutely no idea what his motives/intentions could be, when more of a picture is formed then we should come back to it by all means.
I'm not sure on Acrofales, yea he could be flipping a shit cos he got called out so early, but his actions are hardly unlikely for a new guy anyway.

oh so your his scum teammate?



I really don't like that Mattchew attacks Lyter for defending Acrofales, who I think at this point is innocent. It also seems silly that Mattchew is 100% positive that Acrofales is innocent over one nooby overreaction. If you look at Mattchew's filter, you will see he only said something slightly helpful when he was asked to; everything else is just him attacking other people without any real reason.

For now, I think he is most likely to be scum.


then MrZentor, bad reading comprehension in hand, makes a terrible post with his lead point of his slippery slope theory being untrue because Mattchew (who is awesome, sexy and lover of all townies) never even voted for Acrofales!

He does not answer MrZentor's questions or doubts, but instead deflects them and builds a straw man argument about whether or not he voted. This deflection is successful, because the rest of the entire page of discussion is about whether or not he actually voted: he STILL has not answered MrZentor's questions.

+ Show Spoiler [Reply to Chaoser] +

On March 22 2012 07:35 Mattchew wrote:
lol

Show nested quote +
yet he has not commented on anything else aside from tunneling acro, even when the other stuff happening in thread is tied to acro or has been a reaction to acro's posting. Mattchew has literally added nothing to the discussion while looking like he's applying pressure. It's basically false pressure.


so you want me to comment on what I am involved with already? wut?
and all i did was pressure a newbie who had a bad reaction, i just wanted to push him, and make him post some more.

The thread has talked about WBG (which is stupid), Gumshoe's "scumslip" (A common scum tactic to "catch" a townie on) and me/acro


More deflection without actually giving his opinion (except that the Acro-Mattchew controversy is the only useful thing in the thread to that point, which I disagree with).

Third, and final point: he is really trying to use meta-arguments to make himself look good in the discussion between him and DoYouHas. This is basically just useless fluff which serves only as a meta-defense as "look, I'm not a screwup noob". Okay, lets say I buy that. That leaves you being scum as the only explanation for you building a case out of air and avoiding any other meaningful discussion.



Newest info: his last post is actually something of substance, but I'm suspicious of him anyway. It might just be him realizing his gambit is failing and posting something townie. Specifically his sudden change to me being town


Entire post is about how he wants to lynch Mattchew... but the last line is telling. He's clearly giving himself an out for when he decides miraculously not to vote mattchew because "someone more scummy" has come along.

Oh ffs. I'm not allowed to tell the truth anymore? I should lie just so my case is stronger? I thought lying was a scumtell? I actually DID (and do) think his post just prior to me posting my case was actually quite townie, but that does not exculpate him from all the other crap he posted, which was SCUMMY AS HELL. My scumometer looked like this:
[---------------------------------------|----]
and as a small addendum at the end of my post I stated that he had done something useful, so my scumometer looked like this:
[--------------------------------------|-----]
If it's not reasonable to post what I truly think, then yeah, just kill me now, because I WANT OUT. I have been calling everything exactly like I see it from the get go.


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On March 23 2012 03:47 Acrofales wrote:
On March 23 2012 00:50 Risen wrote:
Class for another hour and a half, time for some reading when I get back. (Just an update for those who may think I'm lurking since I haven't posted as much as I should have)

Most useless "I'm saying I'm not, but secretly am still lurking"-post I have seen in this thread. I think you might be beating out Evantrees for king of the lurks. Remember that in the Game of Thrones kings tend to lose their heads.


A legitimate post calling out a lurker.

Yay. Thank you for your honesty here. See, I'm not all bad.

My feeling: [r]scum[/r]

He's the most scummy read I have thus far.

WHY? Have you read anything by Gumshoe? AT ALL?

Anyway. Somewhat later you say:
On March 23 2012 06:30 Risen wrote:
MrZentor pretty much made my case against mattchew/acro, but as someone pointed out earlier those two were already major targets, so it's not very impressive that he's decrying them.

How and where does MrZentor make any case at all against me? Please point me to it, because it has magically disappeared from his filter. If your ENTIRE CASE is based on these posts in which he is DEFENDING ME, then WTF?!!!!
[spoiler MrZentor to the rescue!!!]
On March 22 2012 05:32 MrZentor wrote:
Hello people of Mafia! It is I, MrZentor!

Anyways, I thought this started a day after it did, so I am a little late to the party.
Let me tell everybody my opinion, so you can get a good read on me!

First we have Acrofales overreacting to a vote that didn't have a basis.
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2012 22:54 Acrofales wrote:
Okay seriously WTF. I know I'm new to this game, but voting me for that reason alone makes no sense. In fact, it seems quite a scum move to cast suspicion on people right at the start of the game.

Or am I going overboard and it's just a way of getting people to post at the start of the game? Either way, I'm watching you and risk.nuke. Voting off the bat seems fishy.


He then votes for Mattchew.
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 00:04 Acrofales wrote:
Hodor's terribly talkative all of a sudden.

Luckily I have better sources than that. The Ghost of High Heart told me that you are scum.

##vote: Mattchew


Lyter defends Acrofales.
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On March 22 2012 02:15 Lyter wrote:
I'd say ignore wbg at least for now, we have absolutely no idea what his motives/intentions could be, when more of a picture is formed then we should come back to it by all means.
I'm not sure on Acrofales, yea he could be flipping a shit cos he got called out so early, but his actions are hardly unlikely for a new guy anyway.

Then Mattchew, bad spelling in hand, attacks Lyter for defending Acrofales
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 02:21 Mattchew wrote:
On March 22 2012 02:15 Lyter wrote:
I'd say ignore wbg at least for now, we have absolutely no idea what his motives/intentions could be, when more of a picture is formed then we should come back to it by all means.
I'm not sure on Acrofales, yea he could be flipping a shit cos he got called out so early, but his actions are hardly unlikely for a new guy anyway.

oh so your his scum teammate?



I really don't like that Mattchew attacks Lyter for defending Acrofales, who I think at this point is innocent. It also seems silly that Mattchew is 100% positive that Acrofales is innocent over one nooby overreaction. If you look at Mattchew's filter, you will see he only said something slightly helpful when he was asked to; everything else is just him attacking other people without any real reason.

For now, I think he is most likely to be scum.

On March 22 2012 06:13 MrZentor wrote:
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On March 22 2012 05:43 DoYouHas wrote:
Interesting MrZentor. Why do you lean town for Acro? Is it because you think Matt is likely scum and they are opposed to each other? Or have Acro's more recent posts been townie in your eyes? If so, what in them, specifically, strikes you as townie? I want you to expand your reasoning on why you consider Acro innocent.

After that, I would like to hear your take on Gumshoe and those of us attacking him.


Ooooooo, a fun project to occupy my time while people post more things!


This post, especially the part in bold, made me think he was innocent. His reason for overreacting seems genuine.
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 02:23 Acrofales wrote:
On March 22 2012 01:50 DoYouHas wrote:
Acrofales reads exactly like newb scum to me from his first posts. His first post reads as already being defensive to me:
On March 21 2012 18:51 Acrofales wrote:
Hi everybody!

Well, Curu hasn't said I cannot speculate about Petyr's win condition. Remember that this is idle speculation, but I have read the books a number of times and if Petyr is anything, he is untrustworthy. He only serves his own means, so I am inclined to ignore everything he says, including that he is a vanilla townie

My hunch is that he must kill Ned Stark and keep Catelyn and/or Sansa alive until the end of the game to win.


And then he pulls an OMGUS on 2 different people in a very short period of time.

##Vote: Acrofales

Gumshoe, wake up and read day1 carefully. We already know who Littlefinger is 100%. It is given information. Your posts are yet to actually be relevant to the game.


What you bolded was basically a follow-up to my question before the game started:
On March 20 2012 18:13 Acrofales wrote:
Are we allowed to speculate about what Littlefinger's win condition is? I have a hunch

Unfortunately it has nothing to do with Dementors eating Daenerys baby in order to generate infinite facebook spam messages.


As for the rest, I've calmed down a bit, with later people talking about the random votes. It is my first game (ever) and I was hoping to live past the first day. People instavoting for me got me a bit upset. I am happy to unvote Matthew when a better candidate comes up, the ghost of High Heart is kinda cryptic when it comes to her prophecies It was more of a "if you vote for me, then I'll vote for you"-thing anyway.

That said, Matthew, why did you vote for me? Chaoser already had the random vote on me. The 2nd one was just mean. That vote has been the entire contribution to this game, with no explanation or text (except for a lololololol, which is even less useful).


He also deflects gumshoe's attack by clearly explaining his thought process and shows why he thinks gumshoe look scummy.
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On March 22 2012 03:08 Acrofales wrote:
On March 22 2012 02:41 gumshoe wrote:
On March 22 2012 02:17 DoYouHas wrote:
I have already said what I think about Acrofales. He hasn't posted anything new that would change my opinion.

Mayor elections are built into the game by the mod (at least I think so). This game doesn't have it, meaning you would need consensus from most players to get it going. You won't get that, and you would be wasting your time to try. Stop talking about mayors imo.


Wasn't aware, always thought mayors were just achieved through consensus. In regard to Acrofales I'm sure your well aware that my sympathies always go to first time townies who fuck up at the start, but his response was just pure ombus, which was similar to sloosh and ech in suprisingly normal mini mafia, yet the difference was in that game Sloosh and Ech kept fighting blow for blow because they knew they were townies, Acrofales just sort of clammed up. He's not fighting hard enough, which first time newbie townies tend to do way too much. I'm down for voting for him not because of his silly ombus, but because he backed down when pressured.

Acrofales

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As for the rest, I've calmed down a bit


Townies don't just calm down when their under pressure. He's either blue(which is unlikely considering his ombus) a total noob green(also unlikely because he just dropped his hostile tone when the pressure came down) or scum(the most probable)

Acrofales seeing as your lynch is getting to be pretty likely maybe you should role claim? It could help your case, also why did you vote for Mattchew in the first place?


My reason for not going after Mattchew (or Chaoser for that matter) is precisely because I have since realised it's a random vote to troll me and get a reaction. I think he got quite the reaction, so it succeeded rather well. It also got lots of other people talking, which is a double plus! I am still interested to know why he voted for me, but I am smart enough to know that that is not a reason to suspect him of being mafia off the bat. In fact, it's not enough for me to decide either way.

YOU, however, have done nothing but spread misinformation with your posts. You spend three entire posts (not short either) on Littlefinger:
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On March 22 2012 01:34 gumshoe wrote:
Alright just woke up, On the topic of random voting, I don't mind it so long as its a means to an end. It should generate discussion not baseless band wagons

Also on the issue of third party. Isn't little finger sort of irrelevant to town? I mean unless he's going to act like a total dick and try to get himself lynched he really shouldn't be a problem for us, its scum who have to worry about shooting him. Townies look for scum, scum look for third party, lets not do scum's job for them by finding the guy whose potentially the biggest threat to their operation. It's better if little finger stays hidden looks like a helpful blue and soaks up a hit. I'm not saying we shouldn't talk about him, I just don't want to give him away(which as far as we know makes no difference to him) until scum finds him on their own, because just by being there as he is he disrupts and confuses scum.

For the record though I think he has to ensure that catelyn survives no matter what(or maybe sansa) and ned dies. Or maybe he just has to identify everyone. It'll be near impossible to confirm our theories until later when we've seen someone act peculiar(like a third party would) even then though like I said before it might still be a good idea to keep Baelish under wraps.

Next up, Xatalos, why did you vote for me of all people? Is it because I'm a newer player eg an easy target to pressure/bandwagon?


On March 22 2012 01:42 gumshoe wrote:
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On March 22 2012 01:20 GreYMisT wrote:
Guys I say we lynch Wherebugsgo, just to be certain.

Sand/Syllo can you guys sign you posts? It makes it a lot easier for the rest of us to keep track of who thinks what.

Xatalos, I'm interested on what you think about Wherebugsgo/littlefinger. How do you think we should go about interacting with him now that we know he is 3rd party?

Also i would like to assure everyone that even though I am hosting Aperture Mafia, the science will not keep me from being active here.


Why waste a hit? I find it hard to believe Scum are going to come forward like that and claim Baelish(it seems to crazy for even a player like Caller) so way I see it where is either a vanilla townie way down below in flea bottom dreaming of some day ruling the kingdom with an iron fist, or hes baelish and we waste a hit/reveal third party to scum.

Personally I think we should stay clear of trying to lynch Baelish, unless someone claims there him just before we kill him, in which case they fully deserve to die as we had already decided. If we lynch Where it should be because we think hes scum, not Baelish, do you really think Where is scum this early in the game?



On March 22 2012 01:50 gumshoe wrote:
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On March 22 2012 01:35 SamuelLJackson wrote:
On March 22 2012 01:20 GreYMisT wrote:
Guys I say we lynch Wherebugsgo, just to be certain.

Sand/Syllo can you guys sign you posts? It makes it a lot easier for the rest of us to keep track of who thinks what.

Xatalos, I'm interested on what you think about Wherebugsgo/littlefinger. How do you think we should go about interacting with him now that we know he is 3rd party?

Also i would like to assure everyone that even though I am hosting Aperture Mafia, the science will not keep me from being active here.

What part of MODCONFIRMED UNLYNCHABLE/UNKILLABLE do you not understand? Next person that discusses wbg or engages in any useless conversation with him get's my vote. Consider it like he is not even playing in this game.
/sandroba


Thank you Jackson ( : but keep in mind it is possible(though unlikely considering scums hate for flashy play early on) that Where is scum, we shouldnt just take his word for anything but I agree talking about Baelish is pointless and benefits scum the most. For now we can just ignore Where as if he was just a dumb poster.

moving on lets discuss policy(it'll only take a bit and we may as well get it over with early on) do we set a preliminary lynch deadline?(im leaning 8 hours in advance if we do) Do we policy lynch hardcore lurkers?(by hardcore I mean like 3 one liners a cycle, personally for this because lynching lurkers always helps clear the air a bit and they werent helping anyway so nothing really lost) are we going to elect a mayor?( I've never done this before so I dont know how that works)




in which you claim not to have read the D1 post properly, but you might equally well be trying to confuse any productive discussion happening in the thread. On top of that you ask about the mayor election, which even I had gathered does not happen unless Curu says it does: more misinformation and confusion to be cleared up, rather than spending time on useful stuff.

You end the last post with a request to talk about policy, but instead, as Oberyn put it nicely:
On March 22 2012 01:57 Oberyn wrote:
If you want to discuss policy, then why are you just giving a bunch of questions? You should share what your actual opinion is. A no-lynch should be out of the question as this person suggests:

On March 21 2012 23:39 Xatalos wrote:
Ah, damn it... No editing! However, I just thought that since you HAVE to vote every day, it might not be such a bad idea to throw random votes early. In my previous Mafia games it was common not to lynch anyone on the first day, and wait for clues on the second day. When people random lynched on the first day, it usually just meant an easier win for the Mafia.



And now, to top it all off, you decide that I am scummy for backing down from a fight with someone I have no information about one way or the other. I'm inclined to call that an attempt at getting me bandwagoned. On top of that, you ask for me to roleclaim, which serves no point whatsoever, because nobody has any reason to believe me one way or the other this early in the game. So no, I won't play your scummy games.


Gumshoe skips the day post, says we should talk about policy, doesn't discuss policy, asks some questions, and then accuses the person who is easiest to attack, Acrofales.

My guess as to why he skipped the day post is that he got a powerful role(blue or scum) and was excited to use it. He is either a lazy townsperson with a powerful role or scum. Overall, I think he seems a little less scummy than Mattchew.


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Next post. I will call it WIFOM: The Phantom Menace (yes, it is bad enough to get a new trilogy title).
I am going to try to follow your logic, but feel free to correct me if I err at some point.

On March 23 2012 23:08 Risen wrote:
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On March 23 2012 21:11 Mattchew wrote:
lol coming from littlefinger i dont suspect it will hold much weight


Unfortunately it does not, we don't know his sanity. If someone were to check you tonight and confirm then maybe it would.

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On March 23 2012 20:00 Acrofales wrote:
Risen: wtf did you do to this thread. You posted an entire page of posts with largely useless analysis and ended up sheeping the Mattchew vote. While I agree with your final choice, your reasoning is completely out of wack. In your giant walls of text, you say I am more suspect than Mattchew, yet you vote for him. Why?

There seems a lot of too-dumb-to-be-mafia going around and I think it would be way too easy to hide in this crap as mafia. We should stop using that as an excuse for anybody. I know that I have used it, but I don't give a crap at this point, the thread is getting so full of stupid, useless fake analysis stuff that I am almost at the point of saying we should policy lynch Sinensis, Risen, DoYouHas or risk.nuke for posting such inane stuff. I am new here and even I can see that the cases you post are flinterthin. Do you even think before you post, or are you really just trying to fill your filter with something that seems useful, but really isn't.

Talking about lynching. We have 13 hours left and I think it's about time to start making a decision and stop casting votes in senseless directions. Luckily my senseless direction 15 minutes into the game seems to be a pretty good guess and we should lynch Mattchew, based on my earlier stated case. Anybody have a better idea?


Policy vote the guy who posted huge swaths of analysis on players and is contributing? K. I wasn't 100% on mattchew, and after reading this post it's pretty much confirmed that acrofales is scum in my mind (or he's just a townie who's harming us more than he's worth). If you had bothered reading anything after my initial analysis (which I'm sure you did, and then just decided to not pay attention to because it helps make you look like you're contributing) you would know why I voted for Mattchew.

This is the only part that I can almost agree with, but I have already responded. It is your COMPLETE overreaction to my frustration at the number of retarded cases made against people. Most of your analysis was not as bad as risk.nuke's case against Greymist, or Sinensis' case against MrZentor, but you managed to spam up the entire thread with it, so I put you in the list. You then went WTFBBQ I DON'T WANT TO BE POLICY LYNCHED. While in the same post I proposed NOT to policy lynch, but lynch Mattchew instead.


After I posted my analysis on you, I posted this.

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On March 23 2012 06:02 Risen wrote:
EBWOP for acro analysis

On March 23 2012 05:58 Mattchew wrote:
On March 23 2012 04:08 Acrofales wrote:

Also @Mattchew: Chaoser asked you why you were tunneling on me and what your opinion was of other discussions in the thread, including what you thought of Greymist. Your answer:

EBWOP: The thread has talked about WBG (which is stupid), Gumshoe's "scumslip" (A common scum tactic to "catch" a townie on) and me/acro, what else would you like me to talk about? Retarded policy lynches of liars and lurkers OH BOY!


He then asked you why you put "scum slip" in quotes, and not just straight out? What was your reasoning for making it seem a fake scumslip, rather than an actual scumslip. Is gumshoe your scum buddie? Anyway, you have not answered that question.

Talking about that, you defended gumshoe earlier as well by implying that either I or he was scum, but not both. Now that you think I'm town, do you think he's scum?

As for MrZentor's question, he (indirectly) asked you why you accused Lyter, which you have only just replied with: you basically say it was a fake accusation. At the time it didn't seem fake. Also, you accuse me of being emotional, but this:
On March 22 2012 23:54 Mattchew wrote:
Acrofales, please point me to the meaningful conversations that I people seemingly want me to take part in, I see almost NOTHING of value that I haven't commented on already. Otherwise you are just stealing others words and have no idea what you are talking about because no one has been able to bring up examples of these conversations, yet I am continually ignoring them?


is more emotional than I ever was. All I see here is a giant OMGUS defense. Mattchew is Mafia.


I put scum slip in quotes because thats what others were calling it. I don't believe it was a scum slip so I put it in quotes.

Talking about that, you defended gumshoe earlier as well by implying that either I or he was scum, but not both. Now that you think I'm town, do you think he's scum?
This is COMPLETELY untrue. I NEVER said that 1 of you had to be scum, I simply stated that I don't think its possible both of you are scum, there is a HUGE difference.

I called lyter scum, a lot of people will call a lot of people scum, sometimes it means something, sometimes its just a half -hearted reaction.

I never used OMGUS, I just pointed out the fact that you are repeating the same things and being vague in doing so. and I have yet to get emotionally invested in a mafia game, just annoyed (at like every single one)


Hey look, it's the miraculous post that will change acro's mind.


Seems to be working in collusion with you, but you don't need him to be working with you in order for you to find a post that will allow you to change your mind.


I can't even follow this reasoning, but lets try.
Assume Acro is mafia.
If Acro is mafia, then he will change his mind about Mattchew.

There is SO much wrong with this. Firstly it only works if Mattchew is also mafia, because if he's not then why the hell would I bother changing my mind. Secondly you are WIFOMing that the only possible reason that I could change my mind about Mattchew is because I am mafia. EVEN if Mattchew is not mafia. WTF?!


Then I made this post.

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On March 23 2012 13:45 Risen wrote:
Yeah sorry about that, wasn't thinking entirely. The rest of my analysis and anything further will be compiled into spoilers. Having said this, I'm going to place my vote on mattchew and suggest a vig hit on acro for now. This is by no means my final position. Mattchew just screams scum to me right now. Also, a different possible vig hit imo is Lyter, since all he is doing is lurking. Nicolas is out of the game, btw. Pretty clear to me that anyone who was scum wouldn't find the game boring, ergo he's almost confirmed town to me.

Going to sleep or something soon. Might pop back in later if I'm still awake. I'll be on in the morning, though for sure.

##vote Mattchew


With supporting evidence in the form of...

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On March 23 2012 07:05 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Risen, once again you (like so many others) post vague things about people as if they have meaning. When you say something like "what he has posted is quality in my opinion" why don't you actually point out what is quality and why instead of just calling it quality.

btw i doubt that i am focusing on one guy when I never voted him, have made a case on someone else, and actually voted for a third person


Which, to me, looks like someone scrambling to discredit me. Then again, someone who is town would be just as freaked out. My vote would still be on him had you not made that horrible, HORRIBLE post. How about instead of saying, oh hey his analysis is weak, you say, oh hey his analysis is weak for X, Y, Z reasons? I'll tell you why, because you're scum just looking to discredit me quickly. Yeah, I shit up the thread with all my posts and should have spoilered them into one post, but you're construing that as mafia play? You're attempting to say that someone who is posting analysis (whether I went about it in the correct manner) is playing scummy? Then what is town to you? Policy lynch someone who is posting analysis that can easily be looked back at day2,3, etc? Or lynch someone who is contributing nothing useful and is just tunneling the shit out of Mattchew (then calling out people who vote for him with "shoddy reasoning" that he never points out)...

What the fuck am I reading here?! Anyway, I need to post this now, so I will analyze this properly in the followup post in 10 minutes or so, but basically this is you getting stuck in your own convoluted WIFOM thinking. Please drink the cup with the poisoned wine. FOR ALL OUR SAKES.



I was wrong earlier. You don't need to get off Mattchew, you just need to start up the wagon a little bit and then discredit anyone who agrees that Mattchew's play was scummy. I think Mattchew overreacted to your focus on him if he's town and he's going to have to be looked at by someone. You can sit back and say, "oh I don't like your reasoning. You're doing that for the wrong reason." etc, etc, etc and bully people off of him and onto another wagon. So Mattchew, maybe you're town and acro is using you as his "oh I contributed and I'm covering my tracks by calling the other people who vote for him bad" it's an OMGUS waiting to happen (he actually did OMGUS me with his mentioned post). Then again, maybe you're scum and acro's plan for people to get off you isn't going to work out and you're lynched. I don't want to help acro in either of those situations, I want him dead. I think mattchew is a prime target for checking tonight, but not for lynching. As always, feel free to point out why you disagree with this post with a reasoned analysis. You'll note that I haven't called a single person out in this thread when they were suspicious of me if they had their opinion backed up. I probably messed up somewhere in here, and you can point out where I did so, and I can respond with a reasoned post explaining more thoroughly anything you have issue with. That's how town plays, that's how town wins. We post and post and post and explain ourselves until we see someone who's fucked up their web of lies.

Acro, your posting doesn't have any substance. That makes this an easy decision for me since I never actually placed my vote on Mattchew.

##vote Acrofales


Yeah, this will also be dealt with in the followup post.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 24 2012 23:01 GMT
#754
On March 25 2012 07:59 layabout wrote:
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On March 25 2012 07:19 Risen wrote:
On March 25 2012 07:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
On March 25 2012 07:16 Risen wrote:
On March 25 2012 07:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
Shut up Risen I'm shooting you


nou


On March 25 2012 07:12 Alderan wrote:
On March 25 2012 06:50 GreYMisT wrote:
On March 25 2012 06:48 Alderan wrote:
On March 25 2012 06:37 GreYMisT wrote:

Also aldeeran just saying X is scum, and coloring my name red does not make it so. if it did mafia would be a lot easier.


Technically, I didn't even color your name red. What I did do was fail in not voting for you last night.



Just cutting it off at the pass as it were.

Why am i scum again?



- You make a terrible play pressuring Gumshoe.
- Realize it and move to another lurkish player: Oberyn.
- Your case against Oberyn is not as good as you want everyone to think it is. You're accusing a new player of being scum for not posting productively on the first day when you know good and well how much bull shit goes on Day 1 around here, especially in this game.
- You scold town for switching vote targets, ironically just as you become a primary suspect.
- You keep playing up this "suspicious" dropping of Oberyn as a target. The reason people dropped him as a primary lynch suspicion was because he had posted very little of substance and was lurking really hard, he began posting more, and with much more substance. I don't understand whats causing you to continue your suspicion but you're not suspicious of Evantrees or Lyter. You're tunneling really hard (except of course when you and your scum buddy had to switch votes to save you, in which case you were very open to changing vote targets).


As an aside, I admire how selfish you were in getting Risen to put himself on the line for you, but I'm assuming that decision was calculated by the fact that Risen had been buddying you too hard Day 1.



How did I buddy Greymist? I would have been on Greymist or evantrees (would have preferred Lyter over evantrees, but as the only lurker up for lynch was evan...) had layabout not blundered.


That's scum for: "I would have killed my teammate, but some other guy could be mislynched, so why the hell would I work against my own wincon?"

Also Risen you can't shoot me. But you can roleblock me. Good luck, biatch.


I stand by the layabout lynch, and as I said earlier hopefully he learns from his mistake. He could make the same play in a future mafia and I'd still lynch him.

I'm not a roleblocker, so boo.

You are an idiot

Curu: why is Layabout still posting here. I think the rules say a single *polite* goodbye post. This is his second, impolite namecalling. Even if he's right.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 24 2012 23:02 GMT
#755
Oh holy fucknuts. I screwed up the spoiler tags :S Please for the love of all that's holy, Curu, fix the spoiler tags?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 24 2012 23:06 GMT
#757
On March 25 2012 07:30 Risen wrote:
AFAIK I said anyone who jumped on Greymist for his joke is clearly acting scummy. No town player would do that. I then look at risk's post and say that Greymist did in fact have some scummy posting. Then when Greymist asks me if I think he's scum I say no, I do not think you are scum. Then layabout goes, lolderp imma vote greymist peace bitches. Clear scum move in my mind, instantly place my vote on him since people won't vote acro.

Feel free to point out anything I missed.

OMG YOU MADE SENSE. I am amazed and astounded.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 24 2012 23:07 GMT
#758
HAHA I KID!

WBG: are you proud of me?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 24 2012 23:34 GMT
#762
WIFOM: Attack of the clones
On March 23 2012 23:08 Risen wrote:
Then I made this post.

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On March 23 2012 13:45 Risen wrote:
Yeah sorry about that, wasn't thinking entirely. The rest of my analysis and anything further will be compiled into spoilers. Having said this, I'm going to place my vote on mattchew and suggest a vig hit on acro for now. This is by no means my final position. Mattchew just screams scum to me right now. Also, a different possible vig hit imo is Lyter, since all he is doing is lurking. Nicolas is out of the game, btw. Pretty clear to me that anyone who was scum wouldn't find the game boring, ergo he's almost confirmed town to me.

Going to sleep or something soon. Might pop back in later if I'm still awake. I'll be on in the morning, though for sure.

##vote Mattchew


With supporting evidence in the form of...

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On March 23 2012 07:05 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Risen, once again you (like so many others) post vague things about people as if they have meaning. When you say something like "what he has posted is quality in my opinion" why don't you actually point out what is quality and why instead of just calling it quality.

btw i doubt that i am focusing on one guy when I never voted him, have made a case on someone else, and actually voted for a third person


Which, to me, looks like someone scrambling to discredit me. Then again, someone who is town would be just as freaked out. My vote would still be on him had you not made that horrible, HORRIBLE post. How about instead of saying, oh hey his analysis is weak, you say, oh hey his analysis is weak for X, Y, Z reasons? I'll tell you why, because you're scum just looking to discredit me quickly.

Okay. Fine. I have pointed out exactly why your analysis is weak. At least, in the case of me. Frankly, the reason why I didn't post it in the first place is because there is SO MUCH weak analysis (at this point it hadn't been bad and ficticious like Sinensis/risk.nuke's was): you have 4 pages of filter and it is ALL just as weak as your case on me. Stating reasons for everything would take DAYS and is frankly not worth it. It's not a scumtell to refuse to wade through pages and pages of trash.


Yeah, I shit up the thread with all my posts and should have spoilered them into one post, but you're construing that as mafia play? You're attempting to say that someone who is posting analysis (whether I went about it in the correct manner) is playing scummy? Then what is town to you? Policy lynch someone who is posting analysis that can easily be looked back at day2,3, etc? Or lynch someone who is contributing nothing useful and is just tunneling the shit out of Mattchew (then calling out people who vote for him with "shoddy reasoning" that he never points out)...

NOWHERE did I say that was Mafia play. I said it was BAD play and it ABSOLUTELY 100% IS. I never thought you were scum and to be honest still don't. You're just a terrible horrible atrocious townie. I think it's telling that the newest 3 pages of posts are basically the ENTIRE TOWN telling you you're horrible. I'm sorry to tell you, but it's true (no, I'm not trying to be liked here, just convince you that I am town). Btw, looking back at your pages and pages of dross is not going to help anyone on day 2 or 3.


I was wrong earlier. You don't need to get off Mattchew, you just need to start up the wagon a little bit and then discredit anyone who agrees that Mattchew's play was scummy.

WTFBBQ WHAT AM I READING? I spent the entire first day trying to convince people to vote for Mattchew. How the fuck am I in any position to discredit people who agree his play is scummy. I stand by my conviction that his play WAS scummy.


I think Mattchew overreacted to your focus on him if he's town and he's going to have to be looked at by someone. You can sit back and say, "oh I don't like your reasoning. You're doing that for the wrong reason." etc, etc, etc and bully people off of him and onto another wagon.

Do I really need to point out how topsy turvy this reasoning is? If Mattchew is indeed town and were to get lynched, I would be PRIME SUSPECT numero UNO. I was willing to TAKE THAT RISK, because I thought (I am reconsidering, see my analysis post this night. At the very least Gumshoe has passed him by on the scumometer) he was scum. Why would I try to bully people off his bandwagon. I spent the whole day trying to bully people ONTO his bandwagon. That failed, so I voted Nicolas in the hope of lynching a guaranteed modkill, and went to bed.


So Mattchew, maybe you're town and acro is using you as his "oh I contributed and I'm covering my tracks by calling the other people who vote for him bad" it's an OMGUS waiting to happen (he actually did OMGUS me with his mentioned post). Then again, maybe you're scum and acro's plan for people to get off you isn't going to work out and you're lynched. I don't want to help acro in either of those situations, I want him dead.

WHAT THE FUCK AM I READING?

You list 2 out of the 4 possible cases and build some crock of bull WIFOM around it. You completely ignore the possibility that:

1. Acro is town and has a legit scumread on Mattchew.
2. Acro is town and so is Mattchew and Acro is barking up the wrong tree.
Focusing only on
3. Acro is scum and is blaming an innocent townie
4. Acro is scum and is covering (wtf, where did I cover for Mattchew) his scumbuddy.

ALL 4 cases can be WIFOM'd into the EXACT situation that occured. All I can give you is my word that it is either case 1 or 2. However, the fact that you IGNORE the perfectly viable possibility that I am TOWN leads you to completely false conclusions.


I think mattchew is a prime target for checking tonight, but not for lynching.

Given that he was not lynched, I agree with checking him. I believe I suggested that earlier tonight.
As always, feel free to point out why you disagree with this post with a reasoned analysis. You'll note that I haven't called a single person out in this thread when they were suspicious of me if they had their opinion backed up. I probably messed up somewhere in here, and you can point out where I did so, and I can respond with a reasoned post explaining more thoroughly anything you have issue with. That's how town plays, that's how town wins. We post and post and post and explain ourselves until we see someone who's fucked up their web of lies.

Acro, your posting doesn't have any substance. That makes this an easy decision for me since I never actually placed my vote on Mattchew.

##vote Acrofales

My posts have had MOUNTAINS of substance. For a newbie I think I am doing pretty damned well. I just hope I have managed to convince you not to shoot a contributing townie.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 24 2012 23:35 GMT
#763
Christ, I think I just gave myself RSI writing that.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 24 2012 23:36 GMT
#765
Btw, I don't give a shit anymore who is town and who is mafia. I am voting for Risen on day 2 on general principle.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 24 2012 23:42 GMT
#766
I can't believe he made me reply to all that dross in a rush and isn't even around to read it. I hate him with a vengeance and promise to policy-lynch him from now on in any game we play in together.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
March 24 2012 23:43 GMT
#769
Hey guys. Anybody know whether the clock is going forwards or backwards tonight? If it's going forwards I should really get to bed.
Acrofales
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March 24 2012 23:48 GMT
#770
On March 25 2012 08:43 Risen wrote:
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On March 25 2012 08:42 Acrofales wrote:
I can't believe he made me reply to all that dross in a rush and isn't even around to read it. I hate him with a vengeance and promise to policy-lynch him from now on in any game we play in together.



Don't worry, I'm here. I read it.

Okay. Please don't vigi shoot me. G'night.
Acrofales
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March 25 2012 07:22 GMT
#837
On March 25 2012 10:46 Risen wrote:
Ok so mafia knows that acro is being lynched either today or tomorrow 100%. What are they going to do now? They can't just discredit me b/c they'll have to vote to lynch me, which will lead to acro lynch day3. They can't ignore me b/c then acro gets lynched today. Maybe they've already given up on acro living past today and just want to act as pro-town as possible since the discussion today will be entirely focused on whether I'm lying or not

If it's decided I'm lying, then I'm lynched and acro is gone tomorrow so all the discussion tomorrow will be useless as well, if it's decided I'm telling the truth acro is lynched today and tomorrow brings fresh discussion. Or the case I'm not bringing up because it's impossible, acro flips town and I'm therefor mafia and discussion today is pointless and discussion tomorrow is pointless as I'm the obvious lynch.

Therefor, I think the best possible outcome for us is lynching acro today. When he flips mafia I'm confirmed town and we're happy as shit and in a really good spot. (Even if he flips town it gives you a free mafia lynch tomorrow, again this won't happen but town is still in a pretty damn decent position)

Sums up any input I'll have today I think. Time for me to go to my movie, I'll be back later folks.

Okay. WTF is happening in this thread. How does this logic make any sense?
Even, once again, ignoring the two possibilities that you don't mention (both town and both scum):

Acro is scum and Risen is town: best move lynch Acro.
Risen is scum and Acro is town: best move lynch Acro. <--- WTF?!

##vote Risen

Going sailing. Be back this afternoon late.
Acrofales
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March 25 2012 18:04 GMT
#858
I'm back. Gonna catch up on what I missed.
Acrofales
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March 25 2012 18:31 GMT
#865
Okay. I have no clue what to say about Risen, except that he is batcrap insane or scum. I have no other explanation for what he said. The only alternative is that I was framed.
Valar morghulis.
Acrofales
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March 25 2012 18:44 GMT
#867
Chaoser. I agree with your possible cases. You also drew them a lot prettier than I did in my post against Risen's earlier case.

I just fail to see why mafia needs to be DT. Is there some strange mechanic in the game where mafia can't see other mafia? Mafia knows mafia, right?
So why does it matter whether risen is DT or not if he's mafia? If he's mafia, he knows I'm a townie. What I don't know is why anybody is paying any attention to him.



Actually, now that I think about it a bit more, I have a theory.

The way he jumped in just 2 hours before the deadline to blueclaim is exceedingly damning. If he's really blue this must be the worst possible timing. Additionally he uses WBG's drivel as an excuse insofar as he needed one.
On March 25 2012 06:53 Risen wrote:
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On March 25 2012 06:50 Acrofales wrote:
Seeing as nothing of note is happening at the moment and we're all waiting for WBG to be chucked out the moon door (PLEASE CURU, DO IT!!!). I have a question for WBG (yes, I want to be trolled).

WBG: why are 3/4 of your posts obsessed with killing Greymist or asserting that he is scum?


Pretty sure he's telling scum not to rb him so he can shoot me.

Also, should I roleclaim? Everyone seems to want me dead.


How is this not a mafia setup?

If he really is a DT, he was just setting himself up to be offed by a mobster.
If, however, he is mafia, he knows he's not getting killed by his teammates. With his earlier pushes for me to get vig'd he suspected I would react. This just sets him up for his day 2 play of painting me as scum:
1. He has put me and him directly opposit each other.
2. He has announced his blue claim prior to it actually happening.

It also makes sense of a lot of his really crappy posting yesterday evening.
Acrofales
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March 25 2012 18:51 GMT
#869
He did not even need me to react, looking at his D1 posts this was perfectly planned. It just seems I played right into his hands by doing so.

Okay, so Risen is SCUM. My vote today is in the right place. Now what can we learn about last night's kills?

Firstly, SLJ never visited Evantrees like he claimed he would.

However, I guess he might've been blocked. I am inclined to think both kills are mafia hits, because they have the same MO. I like MrZentor's analysis of DoYouHas' death, so I'll try my hand at SLJ.
Acrofales
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March 25 2012 18:52 GMT
#870
On March 26 2012 03:46 Risen wrote:
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On March 26 2012 03:44 Acrofales wrote:
Chaoser. I agree with your possible cases. You also drew them a lot prettier than I did in my post against Risen's earlier case.

I just fail to see why mafia needs to be DT. Is there some strange mechanic in the game where mafia can't see other mafia? Mafia knows mafia, right?
So why does it matter whether risen is DT or not if he's mafia? If he's mafia, he knows I'm a townie. What I don't know is why anybody is paying any attention to him.



Actually, now that I think about it a bit more, I have a theory.

The way he jumped in just 2 hours before the deadline to blueclaim is exceedingly damning. If he's really blue this must be the worst possible timing. Additionally he uses WBG's drivel as an excuse insofar as he needed one.
On March 25 2012 06:53 Risen wrote:
On March 25 2012 06:50 Acrofales wrote:
Seeing as nothing of note is happening at the moment and we're all waiting for WBG to be chucked out the moon door (PLEASE CURU, DO IT!!!). I have a question for WBG (yes, I want to be trolled).

WBG: why are 3/4 of your posts obsessed with killing Greymist or asserting that he is scum?


Pretty sure he's telling scum not to rb him so he can shoot me.

Also, should I roleclaim? Everyone seems to want me dead.


How is this not a mafia setup?

If he really is a DT, he was just setting himself up to be offed by a mobster.
If, however, he is mafia, he knows he's not getting killed by his teammates. With his earlier pushes for me to get vig'd he suspected I would react. This just sets him up for his day 2 play of painting me as scum:
1. He has put me and him directly opposit each other.
2. He has announced his blue claim prior to it actually happening.

It also makes sense of a lot of his really crappy posting yesterday evening.


You're an idiot for not claiming miller at this point.


Okay. In that case I'm an idiot. I am not a miller.
Acrofales
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March 25 2012 19:07 GMT
#873
Heh, I didn't know that either. Who knows, I may be a miller.
Acrofales
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March 25 2012 19:38 GMT
#878
Okay. To start with, I for one had no clue SLJ was a vigilante. I would probably have been more careful about calling him out about his lack of attention to the game if I had known, lol.

Now on to the posts.

Given that SLJ's process of analysis is by elimination, as stated here:
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On March 23 2012 20:28 SamuelLJackson wrote:
On March 23 2012 20:13 Acrofales wrote:
SLJ: if most of the things said are town reads, then who do you currently suspect of being mafia? Sandro's last idea was Layabout, and you were supposed to post the case. Yet, you came in and said he was town (although you didn't unvote him). So who is mafia? Imho your behaviour is increasingly suspect. As a potential leader for town, you're doing a subpar job. So is greymist, btw.

I wasn't supposed to post anything and did not come in and say he was town. I only told sandroba that wbg has a point about layabout's tone not being what I expect from his mafia play, but he hasn't posted enough to go further than that. Out of the players we are more comfortable reading, we do not currently like chaoser and greymist. I scum hunt primarily by process of elimination, so a lot of my focus is on "confirming" townies.

There is absolutely nothing "suspect" about our behaviour, so while you have a point about us not putting in much effort yet, and I won't promise I will, you should focus your attention elsewhere.



These, insofar as I can see in the filter are his only two real reads. He later says he's not too sure about Mattchew anymore, but never follows it up. He consistently harps on Greymist and Chaoser. Can someone confirm that these are the two other veteran players in the game, and they probably know eachothers' playstyles rather well?

Here's another exerpt:
On March 24 2012 03:37 SamuelLJackson wrote:
The difference is that he is active and I'm not confident enough on him flipping mafia to push him for a day 1 lynch. I have him leaning scum on my spread sheet as I do chaoser. However if the lynch is between him and mattchew I will vote greymist.


The final bit on Greymist is this:
On March 24 2012 07:24 SamuelLJackson wrote:
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On March 24 2012 07:13 GreYMisT wrote:
Are we serious? The town has collectively switched lynch targets 3 times in the past 24 hours. Make up your own minds for God's sake. This is one of the most frustrating day 1's I have seen in quite some time.

How is that frustrating and has town really "collectively switched lynch targets 3 times"? Your frustration doesn't feel genuine to me

Which seems a bit meaningless. Especially as Greymist was on the line to get lynched at the point this was posted. Mafia or town, I doubt he wanted to get lynched, so real or feigned, he was probably posting to get out of getting lynched.

Aside from what he said above, he said about Chaoser:
On March 22 2012 17:12 SamuelLJackson wrote:
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On March 22 2012 04:56 layabout wrote:
zealos do you intend to keep spamming up the thread?

Do you intend to keep not posting? Any thoughts on Oberyn yet?

Risen you've yet to express a single opinion that in any way relates to the game

Chaoser I don't like this point you brought up

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gumshoe's response to Acro's situation was also weird and problematic. His first suggestion to Acro was to role claim. Now, had that been towards a more experienced player I would have less problems with but since it's to a newbie, there was a decently high chance acro might have actually claimed (as can be seen in the recent games where there have been day one role claims). Newbieness? The rest of his posts seem to suggest so but I will be keeping tabs on him as the game goes on.

Does the highlighted section in any way have relate to his alignment? Weird and problematic? This reads like something a person who has to force cases would say. Moreover, do you think it's more likely for new scum or new town to make such a ridiculous role claim inquiry? You've posted some content, but it's a bit light in terms of actual accusations; even when you assert mattchew is fake tunnelling, you don't vote for him nor do you call him scum. You say people should be aware of how much we are posting and that you will be "keeping tabs on" gumshoe.

Would you be up to lynching Oberyn today?

/syllogism

I kinda agree with this post, but just as with Greymist it seems far from damning. The fact that he chose to vote for Layabout on day 1 (and in fact started the bandwagon) seems to indicate that he himself (they themselves) were not sold on the idea of lynching Greymist or Chaoser.

I am unsure how either of these two cases lead to either Greymist or Chaoser getting scared enough to kill him. Both Sandroba and Syllogism seem to have a LOT of experience playing this game, though, so it might have been enough.

However, I think the main reason he was killed is because the mobsters saw something that I cannot know how they guessed: his blue role. The fact that he did not kill Evantrees as he claimed he would, seems to indicate he was roleblocked and then hacked to bits by mafia. For the life of me I don't know how they did it and I have just gone through his filter with a comb. There is no breadcrumb to Syrio there.
Acrofales
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March 25 2012 19:42 GMT
#880
I think I can confirm there is no Syrio breadcrumb in SLJ's posts:
On March 22 2012 01:17 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Yes it's me. I guess you guys don't need me to sign my posts then =P
I'll take advantage of this post to inform you that I don't know shit about GoT and I'll strike down with great anger people that are using too much useless flavor in their posts.

There might be a vig crumb somewhere, but I cannot find it.
Acrofales
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March 25 2012 19:52 GMT
#882
On March 26 2012 04:41 chaoser wrote:
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On March 26 2012 04:22 Mattchew wrote:
can someone tell me why we would want to take a risk of lynching the guy who claims dt first?

for the most part it sounds like people are saying something along the lines of "i wouldn't do that as DT" or "he must be an idiot to do that as DT" or "This way of playing DT doesn't help town"

2 of these say nothing about alignment. playing stupid or different from how you would play it dont mean scum. and there are a ton of examples of townies playing in a not pro-town manner.

If we flip acro first and he flips scum or miller, we save the life of a townie and save a lynch.
if we flip acro first and he flips town, we get to see what happens to risen at night, and then lynch him.
if we flip risen first and he flips scum, we don't learn anything about acro BUT HURRAY WE LYNCH SCUM
if we flip risen first and hes town DT, we waste a lynch on a confirmable townie, and acro gets lynched the next day


I feel it is a lot safer to lynch acro first


Once again, this doesn't take into account the OP. Are you not reading or are you purposefully being ignorant? If acro flips scum or miller, we DON'T KNOW if risen is town or not. So we would not be saving a townie or a lynch. We would still be in WIFOM.

Okay, the only situation in which this is true is if I were scum and was being thrown to the faceless men. I assure you that that is NOT happening.
Acrofales
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March 25 2012 19:53 GMT
#883
EBWOP: That is the only situation in which Risen and I are both scum.
Acrofales
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March 25 2012 19:55 GMT
#884
Now I am going to cook, eat and spend some time with my girlfriend, who is hanging over my shoulder and telling me to stop playing this game. See you tomorrow.
Acrofales
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March 26 2012 16:36 GMT
#958
Have to admit that today is a busy day at work for me too. Wrapping things up, but don't expect to have much time tonight either.

GUMSHOE: WHERE ARE YOU? I THINK YOU'RE SCUM. What do you think about that?

Lyter and Evantrees: your filters are even emptier than Gumshoe's. Who are your top 3 scum and why? Who do you think is town?

OriginalName: you had some good posts at the start of this game, but have disappeared all night and day. You started off voting SLJ and switched to Evantrees. Do you think Evantrees is scum? Do you think Risen is scum? How about Sinensis?

Risk.nuke: your case against greymist is really bad. You misinterpreted his sarcasm. Would you still think he is mafia if you imagine his first 3 posts did not happen?

I think my own stance is pretty clear. Risen is scum and should be lynched today. His DT claim is so ridiculous, together with his followup this morning, that he is either the worst townie in history, or mafia. I refuse to believe players can be as bad as he is, so he must be mafia.
Acrofales
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March 26 2012 18:30 GMT
#987
On March 27 2012 02:27 Mattchew wrote:
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On March 27 2012 01:36 Acrofales wrote:

GUMSHOE: WHERE ARE YOU? I THINK YOU'RE SCUM. What do you think about that?

Remember when i did this to you and you called me scum? atleast mine was early day 1

Yeah, I overreacted. Overall that seems to be the only part of day 1 where any useful information was gathered at all, with people like MrZentor, Zealos and SLJ chipping in to have their say.

Another difference is that Gumshoe is currently my second-most-favourite lynch after Risen. It'd be great to get more information for the day 3 lynch.

Just to be clear, you're still not off the hook and I find your reasoning today exceedingly suspicious. I just think there are better targets to focus on for the moment.

Even so, it can't really hurt to show how your reasoning is just really suspicious. At the very least it'll further the discussion and allow me to decide whether you're actually scum or not. Your reasoning is pretty much explained here:
On March 26 2012 04:22 Mattchew wrote:
can someone tell me why we would want to take a risk of lynching the guy who claims dt first?

for the most part it sounds like people are saying something along the lines of "i wouldn't do that as DT" or "he must be an idiot to do that as DT" or "This way of playing DT doesn't help town"

2 of these say nothing about alignment. playing stupid or different from how you would play it dont mean scum. and there are a ton of examples of townies playing in a not pro-town manner.

If we flip acro first and he flips scum or miller, we save the life of a townie and save a lynch.
if we flip acro first and he flips town, we get to see what happens to risen at night, and then lynch him.
if we flip risen first and he flips scum, we don't learn anything about acro BUT HURRAY WE LYNCH SCUM
if we flip risen first and hes town DT, we waste a lynch on a confirmable townie, and acro gets lynched the next day


I feel it is a lot safer to lynch acro first

You seem to have the four cases pretty clear. However you seem to be throwing away ALL other evidence. I haven't seen anybody make a case against me lately. The only evidence being taken into account seems to be Risen's DT check. Apparently, for you, a DT claim is automatically enough reason to disregard all other posts by said person, OR the one he claims on, and say that he should not be lynched because he DT claimed. Wow, if I ever play a mobster I will keep that in mind!

Now lets look at the rest of the evidence:
Risen
Risen has been playing exceedingly erratically. I initially had a town read on him (as you can see if you go through my posts), although I found his analysis exceedingly weak (once again, in my posts). He then suddenly panicked at WBG's supposed kill power + Show Spoiler [pointless WBG speculation] +
Littlefinger does not like to get his own hands dirty and a kill power does not fit the lore at all.
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Given his insistance that I was scum from almost the start of the game, this caused me to post the pages of refutals of his analysis, as I thought he had been crumbing vigilante, not DT. At this point I still believed him, although I was both angry enough and thought he was playing terribly enough that I should vote for him on basic principle (also in my night posts).

The next morning he roleclaimed DT in an exceedingly vague and dumb manner. He claimed DT without stating his actual role name, he never crumbed DT OR his rolename beforehand and he completely ignored any possibility of me being framed or a miller and continued throughout the morning to ignore any such possibilities.

In addition to his ballsup of a DT claim, his only somewhat useful contribution to this game has been to spam a full page of really bad analysis.

Acro
I am awesome and a contributing townie. Someone should make a proper case against me if they have one that is not based on all this WIFOM around Risen's DT check.

Now, given the evidence, we have to consider PROBABILITIES of each of the four cases and then things change drastically. We can lynch me, confirmed townie, based on a somewhat decent plot by a scumster (or, I'll grant him the inkling of doubt I don't really have: an incredibly shitty DT). Or we can lynch a mobster (with a tiny tiny chance that he is actually an incredibly shitty DT).

And that is why I think your reasoning is suspect. If there was no prior knowledge then you would be right, but you are reasoning as if the DT check is the only information you have.

To be completely honest, I have no clue what way you lean at the moment. Day 1 I could've sworn you were scum. Night 1 you seemed to be playing townie and Day 2 you're back to looking scummy. I can't read you at the moment, but given that I have two reads I am far more confident in I don't mind too much. If both Risen and Gumshoe flip red, then I am quite sure you are too.
Acrofales
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March 26 2012 18:53 GMT
#996
On March 27 2012 02:38 Mattchew wrote:
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On March 27 2012 02:37 Zealos wrote:
Being DT.

lol and how do you know that he is lying? (do you see where i am going with this)

Could you please wifom that for me again. I couldn't hear you above all the wifom you're wifoming.

I may be new at this game, but I'm pretty good at logics (I did just hand in my PhD on AI after all). So let me logic it out for you.

In order to decide whether you should actually believe the claim that "Acro showed red" made by Risen, that is the only information you should not take into account.

You should go through his filter and look at his history and disregard who he's pointing a finger at. Then, if you decide that, yes, Risen is a credible DT, you should believe that he read "Acro is red".

This, btw, is entirely independent of whom you think the best lynch target is. It is just more evidence. Based on all the evidence in the thread, you should then decide who is most likely to be scum. You should then post your evidence, and vote for that person, not just sheeple Risen because he will be killed by mobs at night regardless.

For the record, I have posted my findings a number of times here. Risen is scum.

I think you have homework to do (unless you're mafia, in which case you should continue to confuse and confound everybody and keep wifoming about Risen's DT claim).
Acrofales
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March 26 2012 18:54 GMT
#997
On March 27 2012 03:34 Mattchew wrote:
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On March 27 2012 03:30 Acrofales wrote:
On March 27 2012 02:27 Mattchew wrote:
On March 27 2012 01:36 Acrofales wrote:

GUMSHOE: WHERE ARE YOU? I THINK YOU'RE SCUM. What do you think about that?

Remember when i did this to you and you called me scum? atleast mine was early day 1

Yeah, I overreacted. Overall that seems to be the only part of day 1 where any useful information was gathered at all, with people like MrZentor, Zealos and SLJ chipping in to have their say.

Another difference is that Gumshoe is currently my second-most-favourite lynch after Risen. It'd be great to get more information for the day 3 lynch.

Just to be clear, you're still not off the hook and I find your reasoning today exceedingly suspicious. I just think there are better targets to focus on for the moment.

Even so, it can't really hurt to show how your reasoning is just really suspicious. At the very least it'll further the discussion and allow me to decide whether you're actually scum or not. Your reasoning is pretty much explained here:
On March 26 2012 04:22 Mattchew wrote:
can someone tell me why we would want to take a risk of lynching the guy who claims dt first?

for the most part it sounds like people are saying something along the lines of "i wouldn't do that as DT" or "he must be an idiot to do that as DT" or "This way of playing DT doesn't help town"

2 of these say nothing about alignment. playing stupid or different from how you would play it dont mean scum. and there are a ton of examples of townies playing in a not pro-town manner.

If we flip acro first and he flips scum or miller, we save the life of a townie and save a lynch.
if we flip acro first and he flips town, we get to see what happens to risen at night, and then lynch him.
if we flip risen first and he flips scum, we don't learn anything about acro BUT HURRAY WE LYNCH SCUM
if we flip risen first and hes town DT, we waste a lynch on a confirmable townie, and acro gets lynched the next day


I feel it is a lot safer to lynch acro first

You seem to have the four cases pretty clear. However you seem to be throwing away ALL other evidence. I haven't seen anybody make a case against me lately. The only evidence being taken into account seems to be Risen's DT check. Apparently, for you, a DT claim is automatically enough reason to disregard all other posts by said person, OR the one he claims on, and say that he should not be lynched because he DT claimed. Wow, if I ever play a mobster I will keep that in mind!

Now lets look at the rest of the evidence:
Risen
Risen has been playing exceedingly erratically. I initially had a town read on him (as you can see if you go through my posts), although I found his analysis exceedingly weak (once again, in my posts). He then suddenly panicked at WBG's supposed kill power + Show Spoiler [pointless WBG speculation] +
Littlefinger does not like to get his own hands dirty and a kill power does not fit the lore at all.
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Given his insistance that I was scum from almost the start of the game, this caused me to post the pages of refutals of his analysis, as I thought he had been crumbing vigilante, not DT. At this point I still believed him, although I was both angry enough and thought he was playing terribly enough that I should vote for him on basic principle (also in my night posts).

The next morning he roleclaimed DT in an exceedingly vague and dumb manner. He claimed DT without stating his actual role name, he never crumbed DT OR his rolename beforehand and he completely ignored any possibility of me being framed or a miller and continued throughout the morning to ignore any such possibilities.

In addition to his ballsup of a DT claim, his only somewhat useful contribution to this game has been to spam a full page of really bad analysis.

Acro
I am awesome and a contributing townie. Someone should make a proper case against me if they have one that is not based on all this WIFOM around Risen's DT check.

Now, given the evidence, we have to consider PROBABILITIES of each of the four cases and then things change drastically. We can lynch me, confirmed townie, based on a somewhat decent plot by a scumster (or, I'll grant him the inkling of doubt I don't really have: an incredibly shitty DT). Or we can lynch a mobster (with a tiny tiny chance that he is actually an incredibly shitty DT).

And that is why I think your reasoning is suspect. If there was no prior knowledge then you would be right, but you are reasoning as if the DT check is the only information you have.

To be completely honest, I have no clue what way you lean at the moment. Day 1 I could've sworn you were scum. Night 1 you seemed to be playing townie and Day 2 you're back to looking scummy. I can't read you at the moment, but given that I have two reads I am far more confident in I don't mind too much. If both Risen and Gumshoe flip red, then I am quite sure you are too.

"However you seem to be throwing away ALL other evidence." I am. If asked before all this shit, I would have said that I have a town read on both of you. After this shit, I still see no case against either of you that holds any weight, however it does appear to me as if 1 of you is scum and 1 of you is town. That is why my logic has no outside factors involved with the decision making process.


In that case you should be finding scum and building a case, not sheepling onto Risen. This is beyond stupid.
Acrofales
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March 27 2012 07:49 GMT
#1033
tiyccagofcaxudin!!! I hate Risen even more now. How the fuck does any of this make sense?! I actually gave a red read?! FUUUUCK.

Okay, rant over. I realise I'm fighting an uphill battle, but can someone please tell why this read is being used to throw overboard all other evidence? I want to prove my innocence, and at the moment all I have is my play so far. Please don't kill me without at least formulating a case against me.

So far, the only evidence posted is a red read. I ask you to go over my filter and make a better case than that.

Valar dohaeris!
Acrofales
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March 27 2012 09:26 GMT
#1034
Nobody? Really? Okay.

Risk.nuke:
On March 27 2012 02:05 risk.nuke wrote:
I thought you said exept those, and in all honesty I'd rather kill acro before risen. Since the risk reward is better but I have little time today and I didn't feel strong enough about it to argue with the majority about it.


Yesterday you didn't feel like arguing with the majority. Now would be a most excellent time to make your case.

Oberyn: you also voted for me. Insofar as I can see, this is your case against me:
On March 27 2012 02:12 Oberyn wrote:
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On March 27 2012 01:54 chaoser wrote:
If you had to lynch three people right now, who would they be? Out of acro and risen, who would you lynch?


I think Arco would be the better lynch at this point. As there are still seven hours, its possible to have the situation deal with itself and allow Risen to continue to provide checks or tie up the roleblocker with the threat of a tracker or watcher.

Future lynches would have to be based on today's flip, but I still think Greymist would be a good lynch.


Which seems to indicate the same as risk.nuke stated: risk/reward. It doesn't actually say anything about me being mafia. Please elaborate on the rewards of lynching and/or vigi shooting me. How are you so sure I'm mafia with only the fact that I flipped red to back it up? In fact, I am very interested to hear how you reached that conclusion before Risen turned out to actually be a DT.
Acrofales
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March 27 2012 10:07 GMT
#1040
On March 27 2012 18:40 risk.nuke wrote:
We don't need a case, we got a redcheck. Acro. Sit down shut up.

Mods can we have a 24 hour day today if town agrees on it? There won't be or well you don't know with the ratio of morons in this city but there shouldn't be much confusion about who we're lynching.


So let me get this straight. You are advocating a policy of lynching anybody who has a confirmed red check, regardless of ANY other evidence?

If Ockham's razor was meant as an elaboration of this, I counter:

Ockham's razor does not tell you to disregard evidence. It tells you to choose the simplest explanation that explains all evidence.

However, you're choosing to deliberately disregard almost all the evidence (my entire game history), based on a red check. Let me remind you that red does not mean mafia, it is just another piece of evidence. It is up to you to weigh that evidence, together with all other evidence.

Ockham's razor is a tool to be used in this process, it is not used to cut away all evidence that does not fit your preconceived theory.

Now I have a seminar (a boring one). Hopefully I can continue to post from my iPad, but it'll be slow and torturous.
Acrofales
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March 27 2012 12:25 GMT
#1045
On March 27 2012 20:15 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 19:07 Acrofales wrote:
On March 27 2012 18:40 risk.nuke wrote:
We don't need a case, we got a redcheck. Acro. Sit down shut up.

Mods can we have a 24 hour day today if town agrees on it? There won't be or well you don't know with the ratio of morons in this city but there shouldn't be much confusion about who we're lynching.


So let me get this straight. You are advocating a policy of lynching anybody who has a confirmed red check, regardless of ANY other evidence?

The other evidence is a confirmed DT doing that confirmed red check.

And yes. when you have confirmed red check thats all the evidence you need. sucks if your a miller

So, your plan is to ignore all other evidence, kill a townie tomorrow and enter night 4 with no mafia and two wasted days. Boy, I sure like your plan, Mr. Scumbag!

Can I ask a stupid question? If this holds for millers and framed people, why does it not hold for godfathers? If Risen had said I was confirmed town, would I be above all suspicion?
NO. Before starting to play, I read a game here, where a DT checked a godfather and he got lynched anyway, but I can't find it anymore (maybe one of the veterans remembers it). So why hold "red is dead" as a holy grail, when a green check is maintained as suspect?
Acrofales
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March 27 2012 12:27 GMT
#1046
EBWOP: night 3, not night 4. Still pretty bad, though.
Acrofales
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March 27 2012 12:50 GMT
#1050
On March 27 2012 19:08 Xatalos wrote:
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On March 27 2012 18:40 risk.nuke wrote:
We don't need a case, we got a redcheck. Acro. Sit down shut up.

Mods can we have a 24 hour day today if town agrees on it? There won't be or well you don't know with the ratio of morons in this city but there shouldn't be much confusion about who we're lynching.


Why would you want to reduce the amount of time town has for discussion? This raises my suspicions of you slightly. Also, why not contribute anything and merely post a one liner saying "we don't need discussion, we need uninformed action"? -.-

If there is a second Vigilante left, you should probably shoot Acrofales tonight. If nothing else, it will prevent a day being wasted on a single argument (like day 2). I'm a bit curious about his breadcrumbs though... Is he preparing for a roleclaim later? Like MrZentor did with his "code"? If worse comes to worst, we might lose another blue this way... I'd say shooting him is still a good bet though, or we might waste day 3 completely AND end up using the lynch on Acrofales anyway.


Okay, I'll bite. You're also following the same stupid reasoning here that Greymist, risk.nuke and Mattchew want to jump on. You suspect I might be blue, but you think it is better to kill me than confirm? Losing a vigi and a DT isn't enough for you?

Can you tell me why it is better to vig hit or lynch me without even taking other evidence into account? Especially as you seem to think I'm blue?

It's not as if there aren't enough vigilante targets out there who have contributed NOTHING to this game at all.

Gumshoe has been lurking for so long it's not even funny anymore. He lurked an entire cycle! If he was mafia, he knew that Risen was a DT and was laughing his way to the bank while everybody here called him out repeatedly for posting suspect stuff and then lurking.

Evantrees has contributed a grand total of 9 posts to this game of which the only one remotely useful was his denial of being shot by SLJ. I happen to believe him, but not because of his post.
Note that I have no read on Evantrees at all, due to his complete lack of posting, but the few things he has said have been singularly unimpressive. I especially like his last post:
On March 26 2012 09:24 evantrees wrote:
only got sort of ninjaed once not twice at least...

Indeed gumshoe where are you? and OriginalName to a lesser extent.

Lurker 1, lurker 2 here, do you read me? Hello? HELLO?

OriginalName/Jitsu: I am inclined to give Jitsu a bit more time, but it has been 12 hours since he said he started reading, I am hoping he has something better to say than his predecessor.

I understand that a red check is a big deal. I would be suspicious of me too, but look through my filter. Take a comb through it. Note down everything scummy that you find and everything townie that you find. I have posted a lot of content, so it might take a while (although that alone should hint that I'm town). I have no doubt in my mind that you will conclude I am town.

But no, you insist that the red check is the end of the line and I should be vig shot or lynched for it. At least do your homework before shooting/lynching your fellow townie.
Acrofales
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March 27 2012 12:54 GMT
#1051
On March 27 2012 21:36 GreYMisT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 27 2012 21:25 Acrofales wrote:
On March 27 2012 20:15 Mattchew wrote:
On March 27 2012 19:07 Acrofales wrote:
On March 27 2012 18:40 risk.nuke wrote:
We don't need a case, we got a redcheck. Acro. Sit down shut up.

Mods can we have a 24 hour day today if town agrees on it? There won't be or well you don't know with the ratio of morons in this city but there shouldn't be much confusion about who we're lynching.


So let me get this straight. You are advocating a policy of lynching anybody who has a confirmed red check, regardless of ANY other evidence?

The other evidence is a confirmed DT doing that confirmed red check.

And yes. when you have confirmed red check thats all the evidence you need. sucks if your a miller

So, your plan is to ignore all other evidence, kill a townie tomorrow and enter night 4 with no mafia and two wasted days. Boy, I sure like your plan, Mr. Scumbag!

Can I ask a stupid question? If this holds for millers and framed people, why does it not hold for godfathers? If Risen had said I was confirmed town, would I be above all suspicion?
NO. Before starting to play, I read a game here, where a DT checked a godfather and he got lynched anyway, but I can't find it anymore (maybe one of the veterans remembers it). So why hold "red is dead" as a holy grail, when a green check is maintained as suspect?


Do you normally lynch your strongest town reads?

detectives would be pretty useless then wouldn't they?


Isn't that pretty much my point? Care to elaborate, because if this is supposed to somehow refute what I said, I don't understand.

Detectives are far from useless, but you cannot blindly trust their findings either. Combine it with the rest of the evidence and draw your conclusion. Don't just think "lol, easy mode" and lynch a townie without even thinking it through.
Acrofales
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March 27 2012 13:14 GMT
#1053
On March 27 2012 22:00 Mattchew wrote:
gumshoe and evantrees are probably town. Acro why so scared to call out lyter? he's lurked harder than anyone (overall) and ninja voted risen.


Not scared at all. I just can't post about everybody. I called out the three lurkers who I am most suspect of as vig targets. Lyter reads marginally more townie to me and Sinensis managed to skip by under my radar, because he was marginally active on day 1.

If I was calling out lurkers to post, then I would've included them, but I was suggesting alternative targets for the vig to hit. I guess Lyter wouldn't be bad either. Assuming we even still have a vig, of course.

Mattchew: why do you think Gumshoe is town? Why do you think Evantrees is town?
Acrofales
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March 27 2012 13:16 GMT
#1054
Curu, the night post yesterday was at 2am CET. I presume that was intentional? Daylight saving time happened this weekend in Europe
Acrofales
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March 27 2012 13:36 GMT
#1056
On March 27 2012 22:21 Mattchew wrote:
Gumshoe posted freely and his posts do not read as calculated/afraid of criticism. Evantrees mostly because he didn't vote Risen. I actually re-read his filter and thought there was more but he does talk about setup a large % of his very few posts so idk. I think he might just straight up not care or he could be scum. Either way there are way better lynch targets for after you than him.

Like... you? I actually think you're a MUCH better target for vig hitting than me, but for some reason most of the people disagree, so I was waiting for more evidence. That evidence is falling on both sides of the scumometer. Your insistance on lynching me without even considering I might be innocent is damning, but you also seem to stimulate discussion in your own weird manner. That's why I don't think you're as good a vig hit as the other three I mentioned: I want more evidence. There's no rush, unless, of course, this town decides to kill me before I can gather more evidence.

I'm confident at least some people will actually go through my posts, before condemning me to death, even if you don't.
Acrofales
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March 27 2012 17:11 GMT
#1066
On March 28 2012 01:11 Zealos wrote:
I'm split between Acro and Matt for lynching tomorrow, but at the moment Risen flipping DT is just too great an evidence to ignore, so I'll be voting Acro for now.

Evidence that I was FRAMED! I hope to be able to give more evidence tomorrow.
Acrofales
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March 27 2012 17:18 GMT
#1068
On March 28 2012 02:04 Alderan wrote:
The way I see it we have to play the probabilities here, and the highest probability is that Acrofales is scum. I'd love for him to get hit tonight so we can focus on others all day tomorrow, but that's out of my hands.

Acrofales, the only thing you have offered that we do is to lynch lurkers.....

Would you honestly do that if you were in our position?

No, I haven't said anything about lynching, really. I have said who the vigilante should shoot. Plenty of time to talk about the lynch tomorrow, assuming I'm still alive.

As long as Gumshoe is alive, he is my favourite for lynching. After that it's a toss-up between Mattchew and risk.nuke atm. I am also getting unsure about Greymist, although I thought he was town at the start.
Acrofales
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March 27 2012 21:45 GMT
#1085
Trolololol. THAT is your idea of a detailed case on your scum list? You call out me, based ONLY on the red check. Xatalos, who you've been harping on all game. You may be right, I don't like his posting style either, but are wordiness and careful phrasing really scum tells?

Zealos is one of my clearest town reads. Evantrees and Lyter are lurkers and therefore high on almost everybody's scumlist.

Why are you covering for the king lurker of them all? Is Gumshoe your scumbuddy?

I judge your cases severely lacking in content, as it should be if posted by a mobster. But hell, it looks like I'll be dead tomorrow and you can keep manipulating this town.
Acrofales
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March 27 2012 21:50 GMT
#1087
Mattchew, Gumshoe, risk.nuke, Evantrees. gg.
Acrofales
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March 28 2012 09:37 GMT
#1116
D'oh, the mafia would kill another vigi the way this game is going. He was also the only one who seemed to think I was innocent. Time to convince the rest of you!!! I got something to tell you and something to ask before any of that happens. What I have to say is:
mfvhsbqlnkdbusaqfkhyuizywovtxwtvlavmvubgziehg


And my question is: Mattchew, please tell the world where you went last night?
Acrofales
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March 28 2012 11:03 GMT
#1119
Just answer the question... not that I think it really matters. I just don't want to throw a Risen. I will give you the benefit of the doubt (that I don't have) to explain yourself.
Acrofales
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March 28 2012 11:20 GMT
#1121
In the game. And no, I do not believe you're blue, lol.
Acrofales
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March 28 2012 12:05 GMT
#1122
No answer? I think we both know why. Mattchew, you’re SCUM and can’t bullshit yourself out of this one.

The reason I know this is because I am a town tracker and followed him yesterday. This is all well documented, because I know you may doubt me.
The reason I am roleclaiming is because I play to win. We have lost a DT and 2 vigis, who seem to not even have gotten their shots off (unless MrZentor killed SLJ or DoYouHas… two rather strange targets for a vigi). Lynching another blue is beyond stupid, and the only way I can see you people NOT lynching me, is if I convince you that I am speaking the truth. I tried reasoning all night, but if you won’t listen to reason, then listen to force.

I am:
Original Message From Curu:
Hello and welcome to A Game of Thrones Mafia!

You are Arya Stark, Daughter of Winterfell , Town Tracker.

[image loading]

Special Ability
Catching cats: Syrio Forel set you to catching cats. They’re as quiet as shadows and as light as feathers. You have to be quick to catch them. You may track a target of your choice each night.

You win when all the Mafia have been eliminated.


On the first night I tracked SLJ, who stayed at home. That is why I believe Evantrees when he says he didn’t get shot by SLJ: I know SLJ did not visit anyone on night 1. I made this point, by breadcrumbing it here and making it more forcefully here: + Show Spoiler [relevant parts] +


However, I think the main reason he was killed is because the mobsters saw something that I cannot know how they guessed: his blue role. The fact that he did not kill Evantrees as he claimed he would, seems to indicate he was roleblocked and then hacked to bits by mafia.


Evantrees has contributed a grand total of 9 posts to this game of which the only one remotely useful was his denial of being shot by SLJ. I happen to believe him, but not because of his post.


The reason I tracked SLJ was because I found him very suspiciously useless for a veteran player (and I called him out a number of times in the thread).

Last night I tracked Mattchew. I stated my intention here:
On March 27 2012 16:49 Acrofales wrote:
tiyccagofcaxudin!!!

This is encrypted, using a one-time pad. Decrypt it here using as cipher the first Arya chapter in Game of Thrones (see spoiler at the bottom, if you don’t have the book).
My findings are posted here:
On March 28 2012 18:37 Acrofales wrote:
mfvhsbqlnkdbusaqfkhyuizywovtxwtvlavmvubgziehg

This uses the same encryption and cipher, leaving off where the other one ended (as a one-time pad should be used). The reason I wanted to say that there is because I needed to prove I knew that before Mattchew had a chance to spew any lies about where he went.

I tracked Mattchew to a guy who is now dead. I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt and explain himself, but he has refused. I have gone over his filter this morning and have some new, incredibly damning bits, which I will post in a good case, in a bit. I just wanted to get this out of the way.

IMPORTANT: If there is another tracker and he tracked me (I hinted at it a bit during the night, but couldn't call straight out), he can confirm that I visited Mattchew last night, corroborating my story. No need to blueclaim, though. It's bad enough I had to. Just show you know by not voting for me (and preferrably voting for Mattchew).

##vote Mattchew

+ Show Spoiler [cipher] +
aryasstitcheswerecrookedagainshefrowneddownatthemwithdismayand

+ Show Spoiler [more role breadcrumbs] +

Valar morghulis: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=321496&currentpage=44#865
Faceless men: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=321496&currentpage=45#882
Valar dohaeris: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=321496&currentpage=52#1033

Acrofales
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March 28 2012 12:21 GMT
#1125
I checked it a couple of times. Thought that a roleclaim like this was allowed. :S Oh well, at least if I get modkilled it'll save you a mislynch :S
Acrofales
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March 28 2012 12:34 GMT
#1126
I also misremembered Oberyn's post:
On March 27 2012 00:48 Oberyn wrote:
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On March 27 2012 00:37 chaoser wrote:
bump...come on guys, only 8 more hours till deadline and this thread is pretty dead. we can still talk about other stuff aside from risen. not everyone has spoken/taken a side either.


Do you intented to actually provide other stuff to talk about or only pretend to generate discussion?

Risen, why didn't you include a name in your initial role claim? Disappearing isn't helping your case.

Xatalos, to be clear are you voting for Risen because you think he is scum or because there are 8+ votes on him? What is your excuse for not posting ON? I don't see how a town player can go 72 hours without providing their opinion.


So i should just have said I was Arya Stark? Not posted the PM? :S That was pretty dumb then. Sorry guys :S Lynch Mattchew though!

I'm gonna PM Curu and see if he will save me.
Acrofales
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March 28 2012 13:01 GMT
#1130
On March 28 2012 21:56 Mattchew wrote:
Hi, I am the jailer, (Lysa Arryn). I jailed SLJ night 1 (he was hit twice) and I jailed alderan night 2.

Any questions?

Just one. Why are you lying?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
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March 28 2012 13:02 GMT
#1131
Oh wait. I know. You're scum!
Acrofales
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March 28 2012 13:14 GMT
#1137
I don't think KP matter at all. He visited MrZentor last night, who was found hacked to bits today. If his bullshit about SLJ is even a little bit true, he roleblocked SLJ, preventing the Evantrees hit and shot him.
Acrofales
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March 28 2012 13:24 GMT
#1142
Anyway, I wanted to make a proper case later this afternoon after I get done with my work, but I cannot withhold from you this particularly damning piece of evidence. Here is Mattchew's biggest scumslip (although there are more that I will post this evening... I do have a bit of work to do today):
On March 26 2012 04:28 Mattchew wrote:
I don't see how scum would frame acro over the combo of me, evantrees and greymist who all had way more suspicion cast upon us then acro especially after the first 48 hours of the game


This is just after Risen revealed his DT red check. He is here covering his tracks and setting up this day 3 in which mafia gets yet another townie lynched (I doubt they thought I was blue). He is here found engaging in wifom about who the mafia framed and carefully planting the seed that it is doubtful I was framed. All the while he is laughing his way to the bank. Tell me Mattchew, who is your framer? If you cooperate, we promise to hang you, straight and easy, rather than handing you over to the Brave Companions. I'm sure the Tickler would love to talk to you!
Acrofales
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March 28 2012 15:18 GMT
#1145
On March 28 2012 22:25 Lyter wrote:
Hmm, the shit appears to have hit the fan today.
I guess if the pm is real, then there was maybe a framing as we've already said back when risen was alive. Fuck knows what would happen then though, would it just a case of 'tough shit town, -1 tracker for you?'

You could try trusting your blue townies instead of lynching them. I know, novel concept!
Acrofales
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March 28 2012 16:25 GMT
#1150
On March 29 2012 01:15 Mattchew wrote:
alderan wasn't hit last night so mr zentor was probably role blocked and killed. Him not announcing his shot pre-post was retarded.

What happened to you stopping your lies until Curu clarified stuff?

Hazy on the details (veterans confirm please?), does a jailer get to know if his target is hit? If not, then trolololol scumtell.

Anyway, I believe you may be telling the truth. You mobsters made up the plan that you executed, after all and you've all but admitted to roleblock+killing SLJ.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
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March 28 2012 16:25 GMT
#1151
Look what I found on the interwebz!
[image loading]
Acrofales
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March 28 2012 16:42 GMT
#1154
On March 29 2012 01:32 Mattchew wrote:
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On March 29 2012 01:25 Acrofales wrote:
On March 29 2012 01:15 Mattchew wrote:
alderan wasn't hit last night so mr zentor was probably role blocked and killed. Him not announcing his shot pre-post was retarded.

What happened to you stopping your lies until Curu clarified stuff?

Got bored at work.. still haven't lied though
Show nested quote +

Hazy on the details (veterans confirm please?), does a jailer get to know if his target is hit? If not, then trolololol scumtell.

Mods can confirm this too, jailor sees if his "jailee" is hit.


Mods please come save this game/thread


Hypocrite. You and your mafia buddies are hoping that Curu comes in here and pardons me (I sent him a PM begging forgiveness). Then you get a full cycle respite, which may very well mean you win. It is currently 4-9, after a night of your kills, that could very well be 4-7 on day 4. And ANOTHER full day wasted, because that seems to be the trend atm when a lynch target is confirmed. Basically, scum win.

I almost hope I get modkilled, just so your scummy ass gets lynched.
Acrofales
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March 28 2012 16:43 GMT
#1155
Oh, and for the rest of the town, I would like to remind you of what we did last cycle, lets not repeat the mistake!
On March 25 2012 14:50 wherebugsgo wrote:
also this is Risen

[image loading]
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
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March 28 2012 16:43 GMT
#1156
D'oh Bugs, your imagelink sucks!!!
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
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March 28 2012 17:01 GMT
#1158
Not yet. Defense is on 2nd of May. You're all invited!

Anyway. That image can be used both ways. Your deliberate misunderstanding of that is just more evidence of your scummyness.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
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March 28 2012 17:51 GMT
#1164
Hey guys. Was a great run. Sorry for screwing up the roleclaim. See you next game and GO LANNISTERS!!!.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
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April 05 2012 05:57 GMT
#1401
Hear me roar! Great job scumteam. Next time I hope to live longer.

Once again, sorry for the copied pm in the roleclaim. It was completely unintentional.

Risen's DT claim had me raging so hard. I had convinced most people I was town after the rocky start, but then Risen suddenly came along. Luckily he kept posting non-sequiturs and got into a discussion with WBG, so we could push him as scum, while I kept insisting on my innocence. Then I knew I was pretty certainly dead in D3, so the plan was to bluefish and create chaos. That worked rather well, even if the roleclaim was a bit too realistic :/ I spent quite some time on my fake breadcrumbs and getting the pm right :p

We were not expecting Mattchew to have a blue role at all! At that point town was down their 2 most powerful roles and only Xata was under any suspicion.

Why did nobody ever seriously suspect gumshoe?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
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April 05 2012 08:51 GMT
#1409
Any tips for my mafia play? Other than that defensive openings are bad,even if they're a ploy? :/
Acrofales
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April 05 2012 08:57 GMT
#1411
On April 05 2012 17:42 wherebugsgo wrote:
If anyone's curious as to my thought process/what I was doing:

I should mention, I didn't originally intend to troll to the level that I ultimately did. However, I noticed that reason and logic were not actually effective methods of getting my point across.

There were three players I wanted to kill day 1, and they were Xatalos, GreYMisT, and gumshoe.

At first I though gumshoe was the best choice but I never expressly pushed that in thread because I was afraid people would think "oh the third party wants to lynch this guy, better not lynch him" but day 1 was such a derpfest it didn't even matter.

So, I made a series of serious posts after my short period of elation over being unkillable. I realized quickly that no one cared, so I stopped. I picked Oberyn day 1 as a target because I didn't actually think he would get shot nor lynched, despite sandro wanting to kill him. In fact, just BECAUSE sandro wanted to kill him, I knew he probably wouldn't die, because no one ever listens to town sandro. (I identified him as a smurf as well)


+ Show Spoiler [serious posts] +
On March 22 2012 04:17 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2012 04:13 Zealos wrote:
##Original Name
Double # :3

Double fail, you mean?
If you're trying to vote him, it's ##vote OriginalName

Also Xatalos is scum. And GreYMisT. Sandroba is confirmed town. Probably PGO.


On March 23 2012 03:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
Why are we voting Oberyn when there are better targets right now? I'd rather let Oberyn live and kill someone like DoYouHas or Xatalos. Even chaoser might ultimately be a better target.




On March 23 2012 05:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
sandro I don't think layabout is a good target. His posting tone is distinctly different from his tone from Storm.

Why don't we discuss things, sandro? I've already explained to you that my best interest lies in lynching mafia. So why don't we collaborate?


On March 23 2012 08:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
So, despite the fact that gumshoe found similarities between Alderan's scum game and this one, and since he thinks layabout is a "reckless townie" (reckless not often being a trait of scum), gumshoe has voted...layabout.

Good god people, do you even read your own posts? And you wonder why I troll.



On March 23 2012 10:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
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On March 23 2012 10:01 gumshoe wrote:
On March 23 2012 09:38 wherebugsgo wrote:
Explain how layabout's posts are harmful? Just saying so does not make them so.

In addition, lynching someone because they're a "bigger threat" as scum is stupid unless you've got 2 confirmed scum to lynch from. And guess what, that pretty much never happens, and that probably means town has already won.


Umm you cant just say somethings stupid without going into why, oh and I've already gone into how Layabout's posts are harmful, he attacks for silly reasons like"you wont believe how often people who talk abut setup are scum" and he's tunnelling someone I believe to be a vulnerable but helpful townie. Hes also only become active now that hes been accused. Thats why I suspect him.

Also if you suspect two people equally, if one of them is both a bigger loss(as town) and a smaller gain(as scum) whats wrong with choosing to save that person and go after the other guy you think is scum?


you lynch to lynch scum, not to lynch whoever's "more threatening.'

Why? because you don't know what their alignment is.

The only two people you know the alignment of are yourself and me. Of course, if you're scum youll know the alignment of 3 others...but whatever.

What layabout has said isn't harmful. It's completely true that often the first person to doubt a claim (almost immediately after it occurs) is scum. Who is he tunneling?

If you suspect two people equally, you're playing this game wrong.


On March 23 2012 11:41 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 10:54 gumshoe wrote:
On March 23 2012 10:42 wherebugsgo wrote:
not to mention layabout is a pretty good townie, so that pretty much flushes your entire argument down the toilet.


I dont consider him a good townie, thats your opinion and its not automatic dogma, I prefer obeyon, thats the townie he was tunneling but has since dropped his suspicion of entirely the moment the bandwagon looks unfavourable. Also while yes the people who address setup bullshit can be scum, so can the guy who addresses the people who address setup because he too could be looking for easy points. Also he now says hes ok with lynching a) the guy who voted for him and b) two people he hasnt addressed in over a day for a reason that is the basis of a case(commenting on setup) not a case with in itself, he doesn't even hark back to why he suspects those two players.

Speaking of which layabout why do you want to lynch evantrees and xatalos? A case against Xatalos would be valid as people have mentioned, but why evantrees? They haven't posted in ages, we should at least wait for them to post before we lynch them out of the blue.

Where how does this guy come across to you as a good townie?


judging from the quality of your posts and the fact that half the thread thought you were scum less than 5 hours into the day, I wouldn't say your opinion is worth much.

And that's coming from the guy who's being ignored by everyone.



I didn't foresee the layabout lynch at all (tbh I don't think anyone did) and honestly if I thought I could have anticipated the day 1 lynch I would've picked someone other than Oberyn.

Day 2 was more derp, and then day 3 was even more derp, and at that point I had no vested interest in the game beyond figuring out which of the players were scum/god awful townies and would never die. I had an inkling at targetting chaoser, but figured it might be risky because someonewould pick up on thefact he was alive and then he'd get lynched. Of course, no one actually used their brains so this was, in the end, a stupid fear.

Anyway I learned a bit. Not much, since I'd much rather have actually played a pro-town game to facilitate my wincondition. If the easy way out is to just incessantly troll, then of course I'd rather do that than try to be serious while my head explodes from the stupidity.


Yeah bugs, you had me worried with your few serious posts, which was why I also came down pretty hard on anybody starting to argue with you... and then you started trolling, an went afk which made me feel all safe and cozy. Because you were a rather dangerous loose cannon if people started reading your serios posts.

The layabout lynch was hilarious. I don't even think mafia had any votes at all on him?
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
April 05 2012 09:00 GMT
#1413
Thanks bugs. I thought I didn't talk much about you, except for my first speculation about your wincon, which was probably a bad idea.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
April 05 2012 15:37 GMT
#1430
On April 05 2012 23:27 Mattchew wrote:
Also, I wanted to hatch an epic plan to tell scum team I was going to jail WBG, thus role blocking him and making him killable by way of double stack. Unfortunately the mods said that they would have to tell the scum team this wouldn't work if they asked. The only reason I claimed is because I was going to visit Mr. Zentor, and with the mod confusion I had seen beforehand, it wasn't completely out of the realm of possibility that they messed up and said I went to zentor.

that being said this game was really fun and a huge thank you to the mods for putting this together.

Except for the first day, I don't think we would've wanted to kill bugs anyway (and the first day, SLJ was a bigger target anyway). He was actually quite a help to us. I, at least, didn't believe he had any KP and thought he might've had DT powers, which I didn't much care about as he could never make a believable claim anyway after his decision to troll the crap out of Risen.

Yeah, Mattchew, your roleclaim blew my mind. I was fishing for a tracker to tell everybody I was blatantly lying (because I went to roleblock MrZentor on N2)... and for you to say I was lying because you were a vanilla townie. Instead you counterclaimed one of the most powerful town roles in a manner that left no doubt that the claim was real. Probably check with the mods first, next time Still, you can see in scumchat that you were a target for the nightkill even before you claimed. Your thread presence and suspicion of Xatalos was worth a kill alone. Your roleclaim was worth you getting doublestacked.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
April 05 2012 21:47 GMT
#1449
On April 06 2012 04:15 Jitsu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 04:09 Jitsu wrote:
Oh, also, I saw someone recently (think it was Risk.Nuke) bring up my soft medic claim.

I was hoping to WIFOM the Mattchew hit. Arco did a good job of drawing out Mattchew as the jailer. I was only a VT. I felt that, at that time, Mattchew was doing a decent job contributing (better then in previous games then I recall) and felt that his power as a Jailer would be better then my power as a VT, obviously. I got my call out on Xatalos in time, so I didn't see a downside, as he was my strongest read.

I was hoping to force the Mafia's hand in trying to hit me, since they wouldn't be sure if I was healing Mattchew, thus wasting a shot, and killing me, again, wasting a shot. They didn't take the bait, however.



Blah, I just saw that the Mafia QT was pretty well convinced I was medic. I guess my plan wasn't THAT successful.

Yeah... you convinced us to doublehit Mattchew to ensure the kill. Still saved one other townie with your ruse, so wasn't a complete loss
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17954 Posts
April 05 2012 21:52 GMT
#1450
On April 06 2012 04:26 Kohbee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2012 04:09 Jitsu wrote:
Oh, also, I saw someone recently (think it was Risk.Nuke) bring up my soft medic claim.

I was hoping to WIFOM the Mattchew hit. Arco did a good job of drawing out Mattchew as the jailer. I was only a VT. I felt that, at that time, Mattchew was doing a decent job contributing (better then in previous games then I recall) and felt that his power as a Jailer would be better then my power as a VT, obviously. I got my call out on Xatalos in time, so I didn't see a downside, as he was my strongest read.

I was hoping to force the Mafia's hand in trying to hit me, since they wouldn't be sure if I was healing Mattchew, thus wasting a shot, and killing me, again, wasting a shot. They didn't take the bait, however.

scum actually fucked this up. They should have shot you and mattchew. They were guarenteed a kill and if you were bluffing maybe get 2 if mattchew doesnt jail you. At worst mattchew jailing you would roleblock so he would die, at best you get 2 kills

True... oh well, we didn't need the doublekill anyway!
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