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On March 23 2012 08:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
So, despite the fact that gumshoe found similarities between Alderan's scum game and this one, and since he thinks layabout is a "reckless townie" (reckless not often being a trait of scum), gumshoe has voted...layabout.
Good god people, do you even read your own posts? And you wonder why I troll.
I voted for layabout because his posts are low content and they are harmful, he came off to me as either a reckless townie or agressive scum, Alderaan came across as either a passive townie or devious scum, I went with Layabout because a) he's a bigger threat if hes scum and b) because we lose more if we lynch Alderaan and he's town. Also I am very much so willing to vote for Alderaan if it comes to that but I would prefer not to because as I've said we stand more to lose on day one and I rather not do scums job for them by lynching useful townies.
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On March 23 2012 07:14 Zealos wrote:
The point he was making, Mattchew, is that you focus all your attention on one guy WITHOUT posting for him, which in his eye's is fishy. I am now off to bed though, so I'll answer and questions/make a fresh analysis in the morning. Nn.
he yells at me i answer his questions alongside my other posts. I still fail to see how I "tunneled" acro or anyone for that matter
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On March 23 2012 08:47 layabout wrote:
Gumshoe for calling someboy (me) town and then voting for them (me).
However Evantress or Xatalos would also make good targets.
Maybe risk nuke.
why are you suspicius of evantress?
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Explain how layabout's posts are harmful? Just saying so does not make them so.
In addition, lynching someone because they're a "bigger threat" as scum is stupid unless you've got 2 confirmed scum to lynch from. And guess what, that pretty much never happens, and that probably means town has already won.
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On March 23 2012 09:38 wherebugsgo wrote:
Explain how layabout's posts are harmful? Just saying so does not make them so.
In addition, lynching someone because they're a "bigger threat" as scum is stupid unless you've got 2 confirmed scum to lynch from. And guess what, that pretty much never happens, and that probably means town has already won.
Umm you cant just say somethings stupid without going into why, oh and I've already gone into how Layabout's posts are harmful, he attacks for silly reasons like"you wont believe how often people who talk abut setup are scum" and he's tunnelling someone I believe to be a vulnerable but helpful townie. Hes also only become active now that hes been accused. Thats why I suspect him.
Also if you suspect two people equally, if one of them is both a bigger loss(as town) and a smaller gain(as scum) whats wrong with choosing to save that person and go after the other guy you think is scum?
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On March 23 2012 09:03 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 07:14 Zealos wrote:
The point he was making, Mattchew, is that you focus all your attention on one guy WITHOUT posting for him, which in his eye's is fishy. I am now off to bed though, so I'll answer and questions/make a fresh analysis in the morning. Nn. he yells at me i answer his questions alongside my other posts. I still fail to see how I "tunneled" acro or anyone for that matter
On March 21 2012 23:54 Mattchew wrote:
##vote acrofales
On March 22 2012 02:21 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 02:15 Lyter wrote:
I'd say ignore wbg at least for now, we have absolutely no idea what his motives/intentions could be, when more of a picture is formed then we should come back to it by all means.
I'm not sure on Acrofales, yea he could be flipping a shit cos he got called out so early, but his actions are hardly unlikely for a new guy anyway. oh so your his scum teammate?
On March 22 2012 03:22 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 03:15 Acrofales wrote:
Any further discussion will have to wait til I'm home. Be back in about an hour.
PS. I read through a couple of games before signing up for this one. It's quite different to play than to watch! :D explain to me why you are not scum. you have 90 minutes
On March 22 2012 03:28 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 03:26 GreYMisT wrote:On March 22 2012 03:22 Mattchew wrote:On March 22 2012 03:15 Acrofales wrote:
Any further discussion will have to wait til I'm home. Be back in about an hour.
PS. I read through a couple of games before signing up for this one. It's quite different to play than to watch! :D explain to me why you are not scum. you have 90 minutes Explain to us why he is. over defensive "im a noob" that doesn't want to be be put in the spotlight. look at his reaction compared to the other "noob" guy with a vote on him. its way more aggressive and emotionally angry.
On March 22 2012 05:16 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 03:15 Acrofales wrote:
Any further discussion will have to wait til I'm home. Be back in about an hour.
PS. I read through a couple of games before signing up for this one. It's quite different to play than to watch! :D where you at homeslice and why should i think you are not scum
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OMG 5 WHOLE POSTS ABOUT HIM 3 OF WHICH ARE NOT EVEN SERIOUS? NO WAYYYYY
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On March 23 2012 10:18 Mattchew wrote:
OMG 5 WHOLE POSTS ABOUT HIM 3 OF WHICH ARE NOT EVEN SERIOUS? NO WAYYYYY
It's just the fact that you make it seem in your posts like you know he is scum that makes it tunneling.
You gave him a very short amount of time to prove to you that he wasn't scum.
How were you not tunneling?
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the fact that i make it seem like i know he is scum? i called him scum, its what we do in mafia games
he said he'd be back in an hour i was referencing that, it wasn't serious
you clearly do not know the meaning of tunneling.
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I have a social tonight, didn't realize earlier. I'll be out until late this evening or tomorrow morning. That said I'm putting my vote on Layabout for the time being. He's a huge detriment to town alive.
##vote: Layabout
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On March 23 2012 10:25 Mattchew wrote:
the fact that i make it seem like i know he is scum? i called him scum, its what we do in mafia games
he said he'd be back in an hour i was referencing that, it wasn't serious
you clearly do not know the meaning of tunneling.
Talk sense to a fool, and he will call you foolish.
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Why we should lynch Alderan today.
First, what triggered my suspicion of him.
Last game (NMMIV) Alderan blamed himself for a fair bit of the loss, citing his lack of activity as what he regretted most:
On March 08 2012 12:29 Alderan wrote:
This was my second post in the Obs QT thread. My inactivity fucked us. I apologize town.
I would think that this loss would be at the forefront of Alderan's thoughts this game and since he identified his activity as a major problem, I have been surprised at how passive Alderan has been so far in this game. This raised my suspicion.
This suspicion was confirmed when very quickly after gumshoe posts his wall of text Alderan jumps into the thread to defend himself after having been absent for a while. This read to me as active lurking from Alderan. Especially since Alderan stated in his first post: On March 22 2012 00:54 Alderan wrote:
Gotta love Day 1....
Anyway for those interested, Weekends (beginning on Thursday night) are much worse for me than weekdays, but I still should be around in some capacity at all times. So, Alderan has been around in some capacity at all times, yet his filter is a little bit pitiful to read.
Alderan's posting this game has been an odd mix of stirring the pot and trying to cool the thread off.
In regards to Acrofales, he first cools, then stirs, then defends. The post I will draw your attention to here is this one.
On March 22 2012 06:07 Alderan wrote:
As far as Acrofales, it's always tough to tell the difference between noob town and scum, but his posts seem indicative of being reprimanded in the scumQT, resulting in the change of attitude. Not a bad choice if I had to vote right now. Fortunately we have a little time.
He believes that Acro's change in attitude is the result of being reprimanded by a scumteam, but he doesn't cite what specifically in those posts made him draw that conclusion. What I find strange is that Acro's follow up posts which caused many people to back off are used by Alderan as a reason to be more suspicious. And yet after this post he attacks Mattchew for pursuing a shaky case against Acro, then ends up defending Acro after Samuel labels him as obvious lynchbait.
This whole sequence makes me think Alderan isn't actually scumhunting, just stirring the pot while trying to be on the 'right' side of early conflicts.
In regards to Gumshoe he stirs, cools, and becomes falsely ambivalent. It is the false ambivalence that bothers me here. Alderan's more recent posting has revealed that he has thought gumshoe is town for a while now, and that read is the basis of his suspicion of Greymist. He stated repeatedly that he wanted to wait for gumshoe to post before posting his case on Greymist, but I think this is fundamentally flawed. The core of his case (as I read it) is that Greymist is too veteran to fall for the clear lynchbait of gumshoe if he wasn't mafia. This case was clearly formed before gumshoe came back, and I am at a loss as to why Alderan needed to wait until gumshoe came back to post it. The case works under the assumption that gumshoe is town, and since Alderan is making a case with that assumption, he is biased in favor of gumshoe. Meaning that unless gumshoe came back with posts that looked completely scummy (very unlikely) Alderan's points against Greymist would hold the same value regardless of when he posted them. Then if gumshoe did come back with very scummy posts, it would be easy to recant his attacks on Greymist. So why wait? I think Alderan was playing super safe. Avoiding catching flak for posting a town read on gumshoe before gum came back. This also made Alderan's relative inactivity more palatable because he had already explained he was waiting for gumshoe before he posted more content.
Alderan has spread suspicion around on a number of players, but does not actually push any of them. Lyter, Mattchew, Zealos, and yes, even Greymist.
Lyter: On March 22 2012 02:58 Alderan wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 02:55 Lyter wrote:On March 22 2012 02:21 Mattchew wrote:On March 22 2012 02:15 Lyter wrote:
I'd say ignore wbg at least for now, we have absolutely no idea what his motives/intentions could be, when more of a picture is formed then we should come back to it by all means.
I'm not sure on Acrofales, yea he could be flipping a shit cos he got called out so early, but his actions are hardly unlikely for a new guy anyway. oh so your his scum teammate? Really? You haven't actually done anything other than point fingers so far, with literally nothing to support yourself The ever infallible "NO U" defense...
Mattchew: On March 22 2012 10:54 Alderan wrote:
Rereading through the thread, I think Mattchew's behavior has been bizarre to say the least. Everything he has commented on, whether it be the shaky at best case on Acro, or the "pressure" he has attempted to apply has come across a little bit disingenuous.
I'm not getting hung up on the one liners, playing with him for the tail end of a game previously leads me to believe that it's just his style, but he is someone who tends to act on more solid cases than the Acro case.
Zealos: On March 23 2012 04:19 Alderan wrote:
@Zealos: Your contributions to the game thus far are as follows:
- Identify the 2 most common lynch targets.
- Place them into your lynch list.
Thats it. That is incredibly scummy. I shouldn't have to elaborate why.
Greymist: On March 23 2012 08:13 Alderan wrote:
As for Greymist, I was waiting to say anything because I wanted to read your response post to ensure that I was not wrong on my initial read, and I don't believe I was.
That said, I think Greymist is too experienced a player to actually believe a scum would make the mistakes gumshoe made early on. Any semi competent scum team would have identified gumshoe's posting as weak after asking about the mayor, and coached him through his next few posts.
Instead Greymist suggested that the scum stood idly by and watched Greymist go blue fishing the very first day.....
Right.....
Lots of suspicion, but no real attempts to push any of them.
TLDR: Alderan's meta from NMMIV suggests that he would be more active and proactive this game than he has been. Alderan's first post and quick response to Gumshoe's points against him imply active lurking, which I see as scummy. The way Alderan dealt with gumshoe and Greymist is strange. Alderan's play has been largely passive and safe, but he still manages to throw out plenty of suspicion. Alderan's lack of pushing his suspicions shows me a reluctance to take the responsibility and attention that pushing a lynch would garner him.
Let's lynch us an Alderan
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I'm voting SLJ
For the following reasons I believe them to be scum.
-There's two of them and they are both lurking hardcore there is no excuse for this behaviour
-Not contributing any opinions before flaunting vet status and starting questionable bandwagon that everyone is jumping on.
-Pushing agenda through above method
-Doing nothing to contribute to atmosphere and using horrid paragraph/other crappie that neither usually ignore and makes it seem that they really don't care
-Throwing votes down without reason
The cases on layabout are fairly meh nothing of his outright rises suspicion other then his questionable alt targets.
Alderan is increadably trashy as well with that clear bandwagon jump how do people get away with this.
#Vote SLJ
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On March 23 2012 10:01 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 09:38 wherebugsgo wrote:
Explain how layabout's posts are harmful? Just saying so does not make them so.
In addition, lynching someone because they're a "bigger threat" as scum is stupid unless you've got 2 confirmed scum to lynch from. And guess what, that pretty much never happens, and that probably means town has already won. Umm you cant just say somethings stupid without going into why, oh and I've already gone into how Layabout's posts are harmful, he attacks for silly reasons like"you wont believe how often people who talk abut setup are scum" and he's tunnelling someone I believe to be a vulnerable but helpful townie. Hes also only become active now that hes been accused. Thats why I suspect him. Also if you suspect two people equally, if one of them is both a bigger loss(as town) and a smaller gain(as scum) whats wrong with choosing to save that person and go after the other guy you think is scum?
you lynch to lynch scum, not to lynch whoever's "more threatening.'
Why? because you don't know what their alignment is.
The only two people you know the alignment of are yourself and me. Of course, if you're scum youll know the alignment of 3 others...but whatever.
What layabout has said isn't harmful. It's completely true that often the first person to doubt a claim (almost immediately after it occurs) is scum. Who is he tunneling?
If you suspect two people equally, you're playing this game wrong.
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not to mention layabout is a pretty good townie, so that pretty much flushes your entire argument down the toilet.
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That big post layabout made is by no means bad at all guys I really think moving to Alderan or SLJ at the moment is a much smarter move.
If you guys wanna sick up to vets I've been here just as long or longer than those clowns
+ Show Spoiler +Or you man up and play for real and stop sucking their cocks and inflating their egos. Play the goddamned game and stop being sheeple
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Suckup not sick up goddamned autocorrect
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ON what do you think of Xatalos?
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On March 23 2012 10:42 wherebugsgo wrote:
not to mention layabout is a pretty good townie, so that pretty much flushes your entire argument down the toilet.
I dont consider him a good townie, thats your opinion and its not automatic dogma, I prefer obeyon, thats the townie he was tunneling but has since dropped his suspicion of entirely the moment the bandwagon looks unfavourable. Also while yes the people who address setup bullshit can be scum, so can the guy who addresses the people who address setup because he too could be looking for easy points. Also he now says hes ok with lynching a) the guy who voted for him and b) two people he hasnt addressed in over a day for a reason that is the basis of a case(commenting on setup) not a case with in itself, he doesn't even hark back to why he suspects those two players.
Speaking of which layabout why do you want to lynch evantrees and xatalos? A case against Xatalos would be valid as people have mentioned, but why evantrees? They haven't posted in ages, we should at least wait for them to post before we lynch them out of the blue.
Where how does this guy come across to you as a good townie?
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On March 23 2012 10:41 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 10:01 gumshoe wrote:On March 23 2012 09:38 wherebugsgo wrote:
Explain how layabout's posts are harmful? Just saying so does not make them so.
In addition, lynching someone because they're a "bigger threat" as scum is stupid unless you've got 2 confirmed scum to lynch from. And guess what, that pretty much never happens, and that probably means town has already won. Umm you cant just say somethings stupid without going into why, oh and I've already gone into how Layabout's posts are harmful, he attacks for silly reasons like"you wont believe how often people who talk abut setup are scum" and he's tunnelling someone I believe to be a vulnerable but helpful townie. Hes also only become active now that hes been accused. Thats why I suspect him. Also if you suspect two people equally, if one of them is both a bigger loss(as town) and a smaller gain(as scum) whats wrong with choosing to save that person and go after the other guy you think is scum? you lynch to lynch scum, not to lynch whoever's "more threatening.' Why? because you don't know what their alignment is.The only two people you know the alignment of are yourself and me. Of course, if you're scum youll know the alignment of 3 others...but whatever. What layabout has said isn't harmful. It's completely true that often the first person to doubt a claim (almost immediately after it occurs) is scum. Who is he tunneling? If you suspect two people equally, you're playing this game wrong.
Also how is it weird to equally suspect your two highest suspects?
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