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SamuelLJackson
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Acrofales
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There seems a lot of too-dumb-to-be-mafia going around and I think it would be way too easy to hide in this crap as mafia. We should stop using that as an excuse for anybody. I know that I have used it, but I don't give a crap at this point, the thread is getting so full of stupid, useless fake analysis stuff that I am almost at the point of saying we should policy lynch Sinensis, Risen, DoYouHas or risk.nuke for posting such inane stuff. I am new here and even I can see that the cases you post are flinterthin. Do you even think before you post, or are you really just trying to fill your filter with something that seems useful, but really isn't. Talking about lynching. We have 13 hours left and I think it's about time to start making a decision and stop casting votes in senseless directions. Luckily my senseless direction 15 minutes into the game seems to be a pretty good guess and we should lynch Mattchew, based on my earlier stated case. Anybody have a better idea? | ||
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Acrofales
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SamuelLJackson
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On March 23 2012 20:13 Acrofales wrote: SLJ: if most of the things said are town reads, then who do you currently suspect of being mafia? Sandro's last idea was Layabout, and you were supposed to post the case. Yet, you came in and said he was town (although you didn't unvote him). So who is mafia? Imho your behaviour is increasingly suspect. As a potential leader for town, you're doing a subpar job. So is greymist, btw. I wasn't supposed to post anything and did not come in and say he was town. I only told sandroba that wbg has a point about layabout's tone not being what I expect from his mafia play, but he hasn't posted enough to go further than that. Out of the players we are more comfortable reading, we do not currently like chaoser and greymist. I scum hunt primarily by process of elimination, so a lot of my focus is on "confirming" townies. There is absolutely nothing "suspect" about our behaviour, so while you have a point about us not putting in much effort yet, and I won't promise I will, you should focus your attention elsewhere. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18157 Posts
On March 23 2012 20:28 SamuelLJackson wrote: I wasn't supposed to post anything and did not come in and say he was town. I only told sandroba that wbg has a point about layabout's tone not being what I expect from his mafia play, but he hasn't posted enough to go further than that. Out of the players we are more comfortable reading, we do not currently like chaoser and greymist. I scum hunt primarily by process of elimination, so a lot of my focus is on "confirming" townies. There is absolutely nothing "suspect" about our behaviour, so while you have a point about us not putting in much effort yet, and I won't promise I will, you should focus your attention elsewhere. These are not the droids you're looking for. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
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Acrofales
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Mattchew
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SamuelLJackson
223 Posts
On March 23 2012 20:35 Acrofales wrote: Anyway, I kinda agree that you haven't done anything that makes you seem particularly scummy. I just don't like your inactivity. I see why you think Greymist is scummy, but I was getting town vibes for Chaoser. Why do you think he's mafia? I posted a bit about him earlier; it looked like he was forcing cases. Further, I don't like his response to my suspicion either as it looked a bit too defensive and I would expect town chaoser to be more hostile towards us due to our relative inactivity. Also, I still find his "This is like the shittiest fake tunneling ever lol" comment on mattchew suspicious as that specifically implies he thinks that mattchew was fake tunnelling and thus scum, but didn't really push him much. It's possible that I'm reading too much into that and it was just an offhand remark. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On March 23 2012 20:37 Mattchew wrote: Acro, when I flip town, you will be the first person that Mafia points fingers at, because they know that we are both town and can probably get 2 lynches out of our argument. Have you completely ignored my last posts because I believe there is a lot of content in them, including an original case. Mattchew already knows Acro is town. herp derp nice scumslip | ||
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Mattchew
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SamuelLJackson
223 Posts
On March 23 2012 20:34 Mattchew wrote: Hey SLJ can you tell me what you think of me and this bandwagon on me? I had a preliminary town read on you based on quite silly reasoning, but I'm not quite as sure anymore. I do think your play doesn't look like your scum play in werewolves II at least. Have you been scum in any other game? | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On March 22 2012 22:57 Mattchew wrote: We should lynch Oberyn (or you) because the other 3 are town. (OMG I SAID ACRO WAS TOWN). i said it here too herpderp speaking in absolutes is not scum slipping herpderp | ||
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Mattchew
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On March 23 2012 20:47 SamuelLJackson wrote: I had a preliminary town read on you based on quite silly reasoning, but I'm not quite as sure anymore. I do think your play doesn't look like your scum play in werewolves II at least. Have you been scum in any other game? my first game ever where I was scared to post. | ||
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Mattchew
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wherebugsgo
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On March 23 2012 20:46 Mattchew wrote: wbg you know better than that, I thought you wanted to help town you're right, maybe this will help: Mattchew is confirmed town, I checked him today. | ||
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Mattchew
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Mattchew
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Currently there are 4 votes on me. Here are all their reasons. On March 22 2012 23:39 Acrofales wrote: + Show Spoiler + Why we should lynch Mattchew: First off, he starts building an alibi with a case made of air. I understand the pressure vote, but his follow-up was lackluster: I understand that this is his character, but it is a very useless accusation. You assume I'm scum, therefore everybody who defends me must also be scum. His main reason for calling me scum is: On March 22 2012 03:28 Mattchew wrote: over defensive "im a noob" that doesn't want to be be put in the spotlight. look at his reaction compared to the other "noob" guy with a vote on him. its way more aggressive and emotionally angry. The meta-comparison is a completely moot point, as had been pointed out by a number of people. So you were basically tunneling on me, and the reasons given are flimsy at best. Secondly, his defense when other people start questioning his motives: + Show Spoiler [Reply to Zentor] + On March 22 2012 06:10 Mattchew wrote: then MrZentor, bad reading comprehension in hand, makes a terrible post with his lead point of his slippery slope theory being untrue because Mattchew (who is awesome, sexy and lover of all townies) never even voted for Acrofales! He does not answer MrZentor's questions or doubts, but instead deflects them and builds a straw man argument about whether or not he voted. This deflection is successful, because the rest of the entire page of discussion is about whether or not he actually voted: he STILL has not answered MrZentor's questions. + Show Spoiler [Reply to Chaoser] + On March 22 2012 07:35 Mattchew wrote: lol so you want me to comment on what I am involved with already? wut? and all i did was pressure a newbie who had a bad reaction, i just wanted to push him, and make him post some more. The thread has talked about WBG (which is stupid), Gumshoe's "scumslip" (A common scum tactic to "catch" a townie on) and me/acro More deflection without actually giving his opinion (except that the Acro-Mattchew controversy is the only useful thing in the thread to that point, which I disagree with). Third, and final point: he is really trying to use meta-arguments to make himself look good in the discussion between him and DoYouHas. This is basically just useless fluff which serves only as a meta-defense as "look, I'm not a screwup noob". Okay, lets say I buy that. That leaves you being scum as the only explanation for you building a case out of air and avoiding any other meaningful discussion. Newest info: his last post is actually something of substance, but I'm suspicious of him anyway. It might just be him realizing his gambit is failing and posting something townie. Specifically his sudden change to me being town  A bunch of points I already addressed here + Show Spoiler + On March 22 2012 23:51 Mattchew wrote: I am going to try and help you here. There are no questions posed here so how the fuck would I answer them. He calls my actions scummy, I disagree, what else is there to say about it. I explained what I did, it wasn't a "gambit" it was half serious pressure on you, to which you still seem butthurt over, but all it did was bring out the townie in you. If you really think I was serious about calling lyter scum and anyone that defended you scum you are retarded, it was merely me trying to get you to respond for yourself. I never had a "case" on you just a suspicion, I will reiterate this started like 10 - 15 posts into the game, 75% of people had not even posted yet. I am using meta because that was brought up by others first, would you rather me just ignore them as you attempted to chastise me earlier for? On March 22 2012 05:32 MrZentor wrote: + Show Spoiler + Hello people of Mafia! It is I, MrZentor! Anyways, I thought this started a day after it did, so I am a little late to the party.  Let me tell everybody my opinion, so you can get a good read on me! First we have Acrofales overreacting to a vote that didn't have a basis. On March 21 2012 22:54 Acrofales wrote: Okay seriously WTF. I know I'm new to this game, but voting me for that reason alone makes no sense. In fact, it seems quite a scum move to cast suspicion on people right at the start of the game. Or am I going overboard and it's just a way of getting people to post at the start of the game? Either way, I'm watching you and risk.nuke. Voting off the bat seems fishy. He then votes for Mattchew. On March 22 2012 00:04 Acrofales wrote: Hodor's terribly talkative all of a sudden. Luckily I have better sources than that. The Ghost of High Heart told me that you are scum. ##vote: Mattchew Lyter defends Acrofales. On March 22 2012 02:15 Lyter wrote: I'd say ignore wbg at least for now, we have absolutely no idea what his motives/intentions could be, when more of a picture is formed then we should come back to it by all means. I'm not sure on Acrofales, yea he could be flipping a shit cos he got called out so early, but his actions are hardly unlikely for a new guy anyway. Then Mattchew, bad spelling in hand, attacks Lyter for defending Acrofales I really don't like that Mattchew attacks Lyter for defending Acrofales, who I think at this point is innocent. It also seems silly that Mattchew is 100% positive that Acrofales is innocent over one nooby overreaction. If you look at Mattchew's filter, you will see he only said something slightly helpful when he was asked to; everything else is just him attacking other people without any real reason. For now, I think he is most likely to be scum. A case built on a vote that never actually happened. Also, the majority of this post is recapping what had happened and bringing nothing new to the table. Lyter didn't even take my comment at him serious, why should you? Where did I say I was 100% positive that Acro was guilty (im assuming thats what you meant even though you wrote innocent). On March 22 2012 17:37 Xatalos wrote: + Show Spoiler + Seems like a lot happened while I was sleeping  Nicolas hasn't responded to my vote, but maybe he's just busy with his life or something? Also, as someone said, voting without any evidence isn't really much of a pressure. Maybe I should drop my vote on him for now, although I don't like people just avoiding contact like this... Although I'm a newbie, I'll try to give my opinion on the "main suspects" for being Mafia (I'm going to ignore WBG's accusations, since I don't know what info he has or even what his motives are): 1) Acrofales: The first person to act suspiciously, becoming very defensive and aggressive after some pressure. He hasn't been otherwise suspicious though, so maybe he was just surprised by the situation and overreacted (he isn't a veteran, after all...). I wouldn't say he is cleared by his more recent actions, but I wouldn't say he is the main suspect either. 2) gumshoe: Suggesting a role claim for Acrofales might have been a plot to abuse his newness and to make him reveal a possibly critical town role, but I'm not sure about that. He didn't understand Petyr's role either at first - perhaps he didn't quite know what he was doing in his first posts. If he was a veteran, he would be very suspicious, but since he's not, I'm not sold on lynching him yet. 3) Mattchew: He hasn't said anything truly suspicious, but he has been extremely aggressive towards Acrofales, and even accused people of being Mafia for merely considering the innocence of Acrofales... Same as with gumshoe, he might be merely playing in a confusing way (newbie/personality trait), but to me he seems slightly more suspicious than gumshoe. As for Oberyn... I don't really think he's in the same league as these three. He has certainly been cautious, but not overly defensive. He hasn't contributed that much, but then again, neither have most of the players (yet). Why lynch him now, instead of one of these three? I'm going to change my vote to Mattchew for now, but it's definitely not final. I'll wait for some sort of consensus to appear, since there's still a lot of time left. ##Unvote ##Vote Mattchew I think this is scummy as posted here + Show Spoiler + On March 22 2012 22:57 Mattchew wrote: I would be all about a Xatalos lynching today. He posts reek of "I want to look like the rest of you" We should lynch Oberyn (or you) because the other 3 are town. (OMG I SAID ACRO WAS TOWN). "I'll wait for some sort of consensus to appear" = I will do what everyone else does so that I blend it. Also he looks like he contributes, but in reality all of his posts say next to nothing. He tries to pressure vote Gumshoe, OriginalName, and Nicolas but is extremely flaky about each one and votes someone new basically as soon as they post regardless of what it is (Somehow he reads Gumshoe's posts and then moves his vote to OriginalName, and then calls Gumshoe his 2nd biggest scum read) PS. He uses a ton of smilies On March 23 2012 12:00 evantrees wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 23 2012 11:00 gumshoe wrote: evantrees where are you btw? What do you think of Layabout's suspicion of you? You did just talk about setup and leave so whats the deal? Seems to mostly be complaining about a joke, which followed a joke from bugs,and who posted before bugs kenpachi! Otherwise I have been useless so somewhat understandable. Since I would not mind seeing him lynched or shot for now ##Vote Mattchew. I think Mattchew and gumshoe would make good vig targets. WUT? There is a lot of good reasoning here. I think 3 out of 4 of these votes are based completely on my aggression and apparent asshole attitude. I feel like because this is a role playing game, new (and bad) players tend to think that scum are going to play into their role and be aggressive assholes as their role may suggest they be. This, in my experience (maybe a vet can elaborate on), is almost the opposite of true. For scum to put themselves in the spotlight like I have is a huge risk, not saying that it has never been done before, but it is a more unusual play style by scum. If you think that I am scum purely because of my aggression during this game I would advise you to re-evaluate | ||
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Alderan
United States463 Posts
@ DoYouHas - Again, I think you're meta'ing me too hard. I agree I've been lurkish this game, I've been a little bit busier than I originally anticipated. @ Anyone that is clearing Layabout of suspicion. What have you seen from him to sway you otherwise? I just don't get it. He hasn't posted ANYTHING of substance. (That's not an exaggeration, it's literally been nothing.) Frankly I expected much more from SLJ, so much so in fact that I think I'm willing to say that their play has been scummy thus far. They have provided such little to the town and have been extremely ambiguous in their pressures (Chaoser namely). | ||
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Mattchew
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