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gumshoe
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OriginalName
Canada1140 Posts
On March 23 2012 10:55 gumshoe wrote: Also how is it weird to equally suspect your two highest suspects? It means your indecisive and need to man the fuck up and figure out which is scummier instead of stalling I'm still not entirely convinced your town either Xant is completely up in the air right now and evantrees shouldn't be in the running as there is nothing really to be basing a case off of. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On March 23 2012 11:01 OriginalName wrote: It means your indecisive and need to man the fuck up and figure out which is scummier instead of stalling I'm still not entirely convinced your town either Xant is completely up in the air right now and evantrees shouldn't be in the running as there is nothing really to be basing a case off of. My thoughts exactly, oh and I didn't have to man the fuck up, all I had to do was ask myself who is more useful townie to town? And who is a bigger threat as scum, both answers favoured alderaan, therefore I vote Layabout, I am not stalling at all I have made my decision off of reason not just gut. | ||
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gumshoe
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OriginalName
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On March 23 2012 11:06 OriginalName wrote: If doesn't matter who a bigger threat or asset is its who is and who isn't scum you aren't asking the right questions if you believe that. Both games I've lost so far have involved us at points lynching important players who could become assests later on, but I dont know maybe I've been playing too much mass effect, point is I think both Alderaan and Layabout are scum, I've already asked the question, also It's possible they both actually are scum(even though alderaan has clearly been seen trying to distance himself from layabout by voting for him, thought that could be townie or scummy), in which case the question of whose a bigger threat is perfectly valid. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On March 23 2012 10:54 gumshoe wrote: I dont consider him a good townie, thats your opinion and its not automatic dogma, I prefer obeyon, thats the townie he was tunneling but has since dropped his suspicion of entirely the moment the bandwagon looks unfavourable. Also while yes the people who address setup bullshit can be scum, so can the guy who addresses the people who address setup because he too could be looking for easy points. Also he now says hes ok with lynching a) the guy who voted for him and b) two people he hasnt addressed in over a day for a reason that is the basis of a case(commenting on setup) not a case with in itself, he doesn't even hark back to why he suspects those two players. Speaking of which layabout why do you want to lynch evantrees and xatalos? A case against Xatalos would be valid as people have mentioned, but why evantrees? They haven't posted in ages, we should at least wait for them to post before we lynch them out of the blue. Where how does this guy come across to you as a good townie? judging from the quality of your posts and the fact that half the thread thought you were scum less than 5 hours into the day, I wouldn't say your opinion is worth much. And that's coming from the guy who's being ignored by everyone. | ||
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evantrees
Canada497 Posts
On March 23 2012 11:00 gumshoe wrote: evantrees where are you btw? What do you think of Layabout's suspicion of you? You did just talk about setup and leave so whats the deal? Seems to mostly be complaining about a joke, which followed a joke from bugs,and who posted before bugs kenpachi! Otherwise I have been useless so somewhat understandable. Since I would not mind seeing him lynched or shot for now ##Vote Mattchew. I think Mattchew and gumshoe would make good vig targets. | ||
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OriginalName
Canada1140 Posts
On March 23 2012 12:00 evantrees wrote: Seems to mostly be complaining about a joke, which followed a joke from bugs,and who posted before bugs kenpachi! Otherwise I have been useless so somewhat understandable. Since I would not mind seeing him lynched or shot for now ##Vote Mattchew. I think Mattchew and gumshoe would make good vig targets. I see a huge trend in people doing huge throwaway votes to fly under the radar. | ||
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evantrees
Canada497 Posts
layabout,Oberyn with 3, will maybe take a better look later. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
Firstly, it's taking greymist's post about wanting to lynch WBG out of context and misrepresenting it. It also has this paragraph which makes no sense: If you look through his filter here. GreYMist Filter. His continued posts are pretty worthless. He makes a few points like informing how a Mayor system works, shoots down a role-claim. Denying freepasses and punching Mattchews poor logic in the face. Whilst these are alright posts and by that I mean not straight out useless or fluff they aren't doing much to help town either. They are just the kind of replies someone was going to post and GreYMisT posted first. So in terms of "helpfull discussion" aka "lynch discussion" GreY still sits on a pretty solid nothing. Denying freepasses and arguing with mattchew's logic would fall under "helpful and lynch discussions". And greymist advocated lynching gumshoe so he's got a strong stance already and not just "sitting on a pretty solid nothing". And while you're leveling all this criticism at greymist, you yourself have not been doing much either. How is this worthless multiple paragraph post a case? It's just trash. On March 22 2012 09:24 risk.nuke wrote: just to clarify, my original vote for greymist was pressure and I want to lynch him now for other reasons. Where was the pressure?! You literally vote for him and then post one liners about wanting to kill gumshoe. What pressure was there?!?!?! ##vote: risk.nuke Nicholas' big post: I don't understand this post. First you say that risk.nuke has posted the most scummy post (which I agree) but then you say both him and gumshoe are scum buddies? When risk.nuke has been saying gumshoe is scum since the start of the game? You're totally misrepresenting their relationship especially given the fact that in that post, risk.nuke even uses red lettering for gumshoe...Are you saying he's halfheartedly bussing or something? Can you explain how you arrived at that conclusion? And then instead of voting for him, you keep your vote on gumshoe...if you think risk.nuke has the most scummy post, why not vote for HIM? and then you ask for a replacement in thread with a shitty reason...I remember Curu modkilled DrH when he did this in lotr and DrH had a much better reason than you...I doubt you're going to get replaced so I suggest you keep playing and respond to my questions. That or you're getting modkilled. Oberyn, I asked you some questions in my previous post, Can you please answer them? And to answer yours, obviously something that I thought was pushing scum agenda. Usually this means misrepresentation. (cough cough, risk.nuke, Nicholas) Right now he's still a null read to me, especially since he's started to contribute/post more. gumshoe, I'm confused. Can you explain why you're voting for layabout and not someone else? Wtf is, "he might be aggressive scum or reckless town but he's dangerous as scum so let's lynch". Why not just go find someone else that you think is more likely to be scum?! Finally, Risen destroyed page 19...please don't do post-by-post analysis anymore, especially if you're going to marathon post like that...condense your ideas into one or two big posts...else it's hard to read | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
Going to sleep or something soon. Might pop back in later if I'm still awake. I'll be on in the morning, though for sure. ##vote Mattchew | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
That one guy who got modkilled from the last newbie game I remember reading was scum...and then he got pissed about getting put on the banlist. Him just saying something like that doesn't automatically make him one alignment over the other. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
Xatalos come back, I insist. I don't care if you just paraphrase some more obvious facts with the occasional smiley, I would really like to see you post more, and I would also like you to answer my question of "How many games of mafia have you played?" evantrees why do you think Mattchew is scum? Because you haven't said why yet. While I'm at it, MrZentor, I hope you'll forgive me being on your back when no one else seems suspicious of you... but why are you voting for Mattchew? | ||
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Sinensis
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SamuelLJackson
223 Posts
On March 23 2012 10:39 OriginalName wrote: I'm voting SLJ For the following reasons I believe them to be scum. -There's two of them and they are both lurking hardcore there is no excuse for this behaviour -Not contributing any opinions before flaunting vet status and starting questionable bandwagon that everyone is jumping on. -Pushing agenda through above method -Doing nothing to contribute to atmosphere and using horrid paragraph/other crappie that neither usually ignore and makes it seem that they really don't care -Throwing votes down without reason The cases on layabout are fairly meh nothing of his outright rises suspicion other then his questionable alt targets. Alderan is increadably trashy as well with that clear bandwagon jump how do people get away with this. #Vote SLJ I only joined the game because I was asked to because Sandroba says he can't play otherwise; I didn't have much interetest in playing and I do not intend to post unless I have to. Please direct me to a post where I've "flaunted vet status" and started "questionable bandwagon" and "pushed agenda" (whatever that means). Actually the whole post is nonsense or directed at sandroba. Why are alderan and layabout "incredibly trashy" wagons and what do you mean people get away with it? /syllogism | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9673 Posts
On March 23 2012 15:50 Sinensis wrote: Xatalos come back, I insist. I don't care if you just paraphrase some more obvious facts with the occasional smiley, I would really like to see you post more, and I would also like you to answer my question of "How many games of mafia have you played?" (Just woke up by the way... Why the hate on smileys?  )Take a look at my first post: On March 19 2012 04:21 Xatalos wrote: Can I join this game as a "newb"? I have played the SC2 Mafia mod quite a bit, so I basically know what to do, but I have never played Mafia in a forum. So, clearly the answer is that this is my first TL Mafia game, but I have played some SC2 Mafia games, although the gameplay there is vastly different to TL Mafia, so it's not really comparable. I don't quite understand your intentions with that question... Did you honestly not check my previous posts? And if you did, why would you ask that question? Also, I'm not fond of your focus on Oberyn and MrZentor. They don't seem suspicious to me, especially Oberyn with his more recent nice analysis. Are you just trying to pressure them or do you really think they are Mafia? And why do you think gumshoe is innocent? On March 22 2012 13:10 Sinensis wrote: I just don't think mafia would post so frequently early on if they didn't even understand how the special role in the game functioned. You can't give someone a free pass just because they're new. He might not have read the rules, but that doesn't yet mean either town or Mafia. What do you think of gumshoe now - is he still innocent in your eyes? Another post I would like to mention is this: On March 22 2012 09:24 risk.nuke wrote: just to clarify, my original vote for greymist was pressure and I want to lynch him now for other reasons. Why would you hold back information? Were you just busy, or waiting for something to happen? I can't think of many good reasons for a townie to hold back information, but there are many reasons why Mafia would want that (creating confusion, slowing down the discussion, etc...). Your long post 10+ hours later contains at least some information, but I remain suspicious of that earlier post. Also, Mattchew... You seem very eager to switch targets and jump on bandwagons (such as Acrofales and Oberyn - I know you didn't actually vote for Acrofales, but you were riding the bandwagon nonetheless). If you had voted for layabout, you would have pretty much jumped on every bandwagon available, but for some reason, you haven't (yet) jumped on that bandwagon. Why is that? In any case, bandwagons aren't usually beneficial for town, so your fondness of them makes me think you are trying to look like contributing with your vote, while actually you are just following the general opinion and blending in. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17802 Posts
Xatalos, you're an hour ahead from me and claiming to just have woken up. That's two days in a row you "wake up" at 11:30 am (ok, yesterday it was 10:30). I want your life. Anyway, back to the discussion. I've caught up a bit (will read in more detail during the day), and my thoughts so far: Mattchew is still not posting anything helpful and makes a good lynch target. I am not getting a scum read on Alderan. I have read DoYouHas' case and it seems to be entirely built from meta. Now I am inclined to disregard meta-arguments except for those people who know each other really well: one prior game does not make a very good analysis. Particularly it seems as if DoYouHas' argument hinges on Alderan playing the same in both games, which according to him is suspicious. WTF. Other than that I have gone through Alderan's filter, and while he does not seem to be contributing much, his few content posts seem town-oriented. Especially this one: + Show Spoiler + On March 23 2012 04:19 Alderan wrote: Just threw in a lip. Let's see if I can't make some sense of the drivel so far in this thread (not a knock on anyone, Day 1 always sucks. @risk.nuke: Greymist is suspicious to me yes, but for nearly none of the reasons you provided. His comment on wherebugsgo was a joke, at least that's how I took it when I read it. I don't think it was some secret agenda to try to divert town discussion at all (which notably was the entire point of your huge post). I want to wait on Gumshoe to come back before I comment anymore on Greymist though. @chaoser: No one is trying to give Gumshoe a pass, at least I haven't seen any, but we obviously need more discussion from him. He's been gone since the role claim thing, I'm just not too keen on busting out the pitch forks just yet. @Zealos: Your contributions to the game thus far are as follows: - Identify the 2 most common lynch targets. - Place them into your lynch list. Thats it. That is incredibly scummy. I shouldn't have to elaborate why. @DYH: I'm never a fan of the idea that votes=pressure but I agree that Nicholas uses some pretty shotty logic. The coorlation between risk and Greymist is interesting, and something definitely to take not of, but like I said, I'll be commenting on Greymist more a bit later. Some final thoughts: - I think Mattchew was tunneling Acrofales to put on some pressure, but I think most can agree he's not as scummy as he once seemed. - I know I was the one that brought up Oberyn's name first, but I'm not quite sold, again we need to wait for a response. I guess I have the luxury of being available in the hours running up to the deadline, but I urge everyone not to jump on the band wagon that quickly, use your head. - As per usual, lurkers are killing us right now, we need to keep the conversation going (hence the nature and format of this post). He counsels caution and backs it up with good analysis. Calmly posted and tempers down some of the emotional people in this thread. I like his point addressing risk.nuke: risk.nuke's analysis is absurd and based almost entirely on suspicion about Greymist's sarcasm. I also don't much like Greymist's posts, but risk.nuke is hammering on him for entirely the wrong reasons. Sinensis: why are you so up in arms about MrZentor? I have read your case and it is based entirely upon you misinterpreting his first post (as I said earlier). Please post a proper case if you want us to take you seriously. Oberyn: his long post has some solid analysis, but I don't like a lot of it. It seems townie, but it could be a mafia posting townie stuff to save his ass. Not a lynch target, but still suspicious. Gumshoe: wtf. Seriously. I cannot even understand most of his posts, it just seems to be insane jibberish. Lynch, or vig shot, I don't care, but please can we get rid of him? Half his posts are answering WBG anyway, who I thought we had agreed to ignore completely? Examples of inane jibberish: Both games I've lost so far have involved us at points lynching important players who could become assests later on, but I dont know maybe I've been playing too much mass effect, point is I think both Alderaan and Layabout are scum, I've already asked the question, also It's possible they both actually are scum(even though alderaan has clearly been seen trying to distance himself from layabout by voting for him, thought that could be townie or scummy), in which case the question of whose a bigger threat is perfectly valid. What does this mean? Is Alderan scum? Is Layabout scum? Are both scum? I cannot make head or tail of this post. SLJ: Syllo, that seems like a valid point, but you're in the game, so it'd be nice if you could do something. At the very least, Sandroba wanted to play this so badly that he dragged you in, yet his posts are almost less enlightening than yours. Someone should just vig hit you and be done with it, because it's clear you're not going to do anything this game. | ||
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