EPTbtw i doubt that i am focusing on one guy when I never voted him, have made a case on someone else, and actually voted for a third person
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
btw i doubt that i am focusing on one guy when I never voted him, have made a case on someone else, and actually voted for a third person | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
Moving on the person I'm the most suspicious of is Alderaan. First off he suggested town back off me and acro until we responded, even though the odds of that were minimal considering that we were the two best cases at the time as was, the reasoning against us were not at all bad, there was no harm in pressuring us. Yet Alderaan suggests we back off but doesn't suggest a new topic, just says wait, well I was busy and if town had decided to wait until I was back to discuss my lynch we would have wasted a day, Aldaraan just shut down discussion, only later does he introduce his suspicion of Mattchew, but at the time he just told us to chill out. I'm still pretty certain that Acro is scum, but even if he is there really is very little risk involved in the way Alderaan defended Acro, because he defended me as well which means he comes off looking like a great mediator instead of someone protecting other scum. Alderaan did a similar thing in surprisingly normal mini mafia 7, everyone was sure that I was scum yet Aleraan gave me the benefit of the doubt, but not before discrediting me as just a silly player and encouraging me to post more(despite the fact that I was a harmful party at the time). I also don't like how he is trying to crumb suspicion on Grey mist, while I don't see eye to eye to him I do see that he is trying to be aggressive and put information out there and sure enough we've turned on him for it , (though I would like to see a bit more analysis in his posts in the future but there really isn't too much to go on day one) scum always bombard the best players, not even to see them lynched just to make them look questionable and thats exactly what Alderaan's doing right now, he hasn't even been willing to admit his reasons for suspecting Grey mist yet, he just put them out there, why mention them in the first place? Hes playing a much more passive game than the last one I played with him, where he was eager to contribute, he's only taking safe bets, not sticking his neck out too far lest it be cut. A similar thing was how he attacked Mattchew for pretty much just doing early pressure and then pulled his suspicion back. Next up I dont like how dispraortinate lay abouts posts are, what I mean by that is his reasons for accusing people really dont deserve the insta lynch verdict eh so whimsicaly doles out. His first post says the players who called out wherebugso are scum, first off why just these two? Several people discussed it early on, are all of them scum? Your conviction seems to say so, but you drop it at the first sign of a more likely lynch. You attack Oberyn for low content posts when you yourself and several other players have pretty much no content, then you say hes scummy because he uses qoutes, which is scummy how? Qoutes are evidence, I wish I wasn't so lazy so I would use them more, oh and hes scummy cause he asks questions, how is asking questions/light pressure not making stuff happen? Oh and the contradiction is pretty weak. You strike me as extremely reckless as a townie, especially because you don't address the rebuttals to your claims(which means you see your fairly baseless accusations as an ends within themselves, not a means to generate discussion) All in all Oberon dosent look too scummy to me(though lists including null reads are never pretty) he needs to post more. Oberon what do you think of Layabout? All in all I'm leaning Layabout because we dont lose much if he dies, and if I'm wrong about Alderaan(despite the eerie similaities between this game and his first game as scum) well lost a strong townie. I'd be willing to lynch Acro for sure though, guy still hasn't contributed much at all. FOS:Alderaan FOS: Acro Vote: Layabout Any buddy got any questions? | ||
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Oberyn
United Kingdom508 Posts
On March 23 2012 07:40 gumshoe wrote: Oberon what do you think of Layabout? I think there are better lynches today, such as GreYMisT or Alderan. If Layabout never shows up today to contribute a lynch target, then I'm willing to lynch him. | ||
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Alderan
United States463 Posts
Moving on the person I'm the most suspicious of is Alderaan. First off he suggested town back off me and acro until we responded, even though the odds of that were minimal considering that we were the two best cases at the time as was, the reasoning against us were not at all bad, there was no harm in pressuring us. Gum, I have spent the last 2 games I've played with a town that was dominated by a mistake you made early in the game that made you scummy. I wasn't stifling discussion, I just did not want the town environment be such that people could just come in, say the found acro and gumshoe suspicious and be on their merry way (which the thread had degenerated into). + Show Spoiler + Yet Alderaan suggests we back off but doesn't suggest a new topic, just says wait, well I was busy and if town had decided to wait until I was back to discuss my lynch we would have wasted a day, Aldaraan just shut down discussion, only later does he introduce his suspicion of Mattchew, but at the time he just told us to chill out. I'm still pretty certain that Acro is scum, but even if he is there really is very little risk involved in the way Alderaan defended Acro, because he defended me as well which means he comes off looking like a great mediator instead of someone protecting other scum I didn't suggest taking the pressure off you, I just wanted people to allow a response before they made up their mind. Talk about wasting time, imagine if everyone had gone along with the "either gumshoe or acro" lynch possibilities and then you flipped green, not only are we wasting a day, we are wasting a lynch. As for the rest of your post, I think you're trying to meta me entirely too hard. I'm playing more passively, maybe, but there hasn't been a whole lot to discuss yet. Not a lot of information to go off. | ||
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Alderan
United States463 Posts
"Dominated" above is in reference to the town's discussion was dominated by an early mistake. | ||
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Alderan
United States463 Posts
That said, I think Greymist is too experienced a player to actually believe a scum would make the mistakes gumshoe made early on. Any semi competent scum team would have identified gumshoe's posting as weak after asking about the mayor, and coached him through his next few posts. Instead Greymist suggested that the scum stood idly by and watched Greymist go blue fishing the very first day..... Right..... | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On March 23 2012 06:10 Risen wrote: -snip- Solid analysis. GIANT POST WITH LOTS OF OPINIONS. I don't see how his posting could be construed as anti-town. He hasn't posted much, but what he has posted (for the most part) has been useful. Most definitely not a lynch candidate in my opinion. You can say he's being too neutral, but it's day 1 and there's not much to work with. We shouldn't lynch someone who is making an effort at quality posts. Risen you totally missed the point, he was making very careful posts that have effort into them but little content. That was what was scummy, because it shows that he clearly cares about the game but not that he cares about town's sucess. Gumshoe, On March 23 2012 07:40 gumshoe wrote: Next up I dont like how dispraortinate lay abouts posts are, what I mean by that is his reasons for accusing people really dont deserve the insta lynch verdict eh so whimsicaly doles out. His first post says the players who called out wherebugso are scum, first off why just these two? Several people discussed it early on, are all of them scum? Your conviction seems to say so, but you drop it at the first sign of a more likely lynch. You attack Oberyn for low content posts when you yourself and several other players have pretty much no content, then you say hes scummy because he uses qoutes, which is scummy how? Qoutes are evidence, I wish I wasn't so lazy so I would use them more, oh and hes scummy cause he asks questions, how is asking questions/light pressure not making stuff happen? Oh and the contradiction is pretty weak. You strike me as extremely reckless as a townie, especially because you don't address the rebuttals to your claims(which means you see your fairly baseless accusations as an ends within themselves, not a means to generate discussion) All in all Oberon dosent look too scummy to me(though lists including null reads are never pretty) he needs to post more. Oberon what do you think of Layabout? All in all I'm leaning Layabout because we dont lose much if he dies, and if I'm wrong about Alderaan(despite the eerie similaities between this game and his first game as scum) well lost a strong townie. I'd be willing to lynch Acro for sure though, guy still hasn't contributed much at all. FOS:Alderaan FOS: Acro Vote: Layabout Why are you voting for a "reckless townie"? | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On March 23 2012 08:18 layabout wrote: If you are gonna be like that then i will read the damn thread! Risen you totally missed the point, he was making very careful posts that have effort into them but little content. That was what was scummy, because it shows that he clearly cares about the game but not that he cares about town's sucess. Gumshoe, Why are you voting for a "reckless townie"? Reckless townie/scum. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On March 23 2012 08:05 Alderan wrote: + Show Spoiler + Moving on the person I'm the most suspicious of is Alderaan. First off he suggested town back off me and acro until we responded, even though the odds of that were minimal considering that we were the two best cases at the time as was, the reasoning against us were not at all bad, there was no harm in pressuring us. Gum, I have spent the last 2 games I've played with a town that was dominated by a mistake you made early in the game that made you scummy. I wasn't stifling discussion, I just did not want the town environment be such that people could just come in, say the found acro and gumshoe suspicious and be on their merry way (which the thread had degenerated into). + Show Spoiler + Yet Alderaan suggests we back off but doesn't suggest a new topic, just says wait, well I was busy and if town had decided to wait until I was back to discuss my lynch we would have wasted a day, Aldaraan just shut down discussion, only later does he introduce his suspicion of Mattchew, but at the time he just told us to chill out. I'm still pretty certain that Acro is scum, but even if he is there really is very little risk involved in the way Alderaan defended Acro, because he defended me as well which means he comes off looking like a great mediator instead of someone protecting other scum I didn't suggest taking the pressure off you, I just wanted people to allow a response before they made up their mind. Talk about wasting time, imagine if everyone had gone along with the "either gumshoe or acro" lynch possibilities and then you flipped green, not only are we wasting a day, we are wasting a lynch. As for the rest of your post, I think you're trying to meta me entirely too hard. I'm playing more passively, maybe, but there hasn't been a whole lot to discuss yet. Not a lot of information to go off. Yes but you reacted in two very different ways both games, the first game you just acknowledged it as if it was there, you didn't really take it seriously, the second game you were actively pressuring me all the way though, this game seems like a return to that passive former form, your posts are more directional as opposed to informative and now that I've posted I would very much like to hear your case on Grey mist. Now while I am suspicious of your passive play this time around, I recognize that you could just be a townie waiting for the right moment to bring forward evidence, well that moments now, were closing in lynch time and we need all the information we can get, regardless I will probably vote for Acro or Layabout before I vote for you. | ||
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
Xatalos how many games of mafia have you played? I'm reading your filter and most of your posts are just wishy-washy paraphrasing of extremely obvious facts with the occasional smiley mixed in. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
On March 23 2012 08:13 Alderan wrote: As for Greymist, I was waiting to say anything because I wanted to read your response post to ensure that I was not wrong on my initial read, and I don't believe I was. That said, I think Greymist is too experienced a player to actually believe a scum would make the mistakes gumshoe made early on. Any semi competent scum team would have identified gumshoe's posting as weak after asking about the mayor, and coached him through his next few posts. Instead Greymist suggested that the scum stood idly by and watched Greymist go blue fishing the very first day..... Right..... You have a misunderstanding about how active some scumteams are about regulating their member's posting. But I will give you that. If you notice I have unvoted Gumshoe and voted Obryn some time ago. One thing I am not comfortable with this game is the posting of Sandro/Syllo. They are playing very erractically, suddenly changing their minds from extreme to extreme. Not enough for me to call for their lynch right off the bat, but come on guys, posting "X is town, Y is Scum" now "Z is Scum, X and Y are both town" are not good enough reasons for me, nor have they ever been. You are coasting on your "vet" status, and many of the newer players are letting you get away with it. I'd like to see what you have done to earn that status. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On March 23 2012 08:13 Alderan wrote: As for Greymist, I was waiting to say anything because I wanted to read your response post to ensure that I was not wrong on my initial read, and I don't believe I was. That said, I think Greymist is too experienced a player to actually believe a scum would make the mistakes gumshoe made early on. Any semi competent scum team would have identified gumshoe's posting as weak after asking about the mayor, and coached him through his next few posts. Instead Greymist suggested that the scum stood idly by and watched Greymist go blue fishing the very first day..... Right..... you mean me go blue fishing? For the record I know Grey mist was wrong about me, but that doesn't make his pressure scummy, maybe he just didn't look too much into it and called out what he thought was scummy play? | ||
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Alderan
United States463 Posts
On March 23 2012 08:25 gumshoe wrote: you mean me go blue fishing? For the record I know Grey mist was wrong about me, but that doesn't make his pressure scummy, maybe he just didn't look too much into it and called out what he thought was scummy play? The point is he's too good to over look that in my eyes. | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
On March 23 2012 08:30 Alderan wrote: The point is he's too good to over look that in my eyes. Fair point, but he didn't just tunnel me, he moved on when better targets showed up and he's still doing that, also he's not making up shit, he's putting information out there, even if he is scum he's being more helpful than most of the townies in this game(myself included) I wouldn't lynch him right away on meta for the same reason I wouldn't lynch you right away on meta, because we stand too much to lose and he's not a threat atm. | ||
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Alderan
United States463 Posts
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
Also, I think Alderan is scum. More on this soon, I'll get to writing up my case. ##Unvote: Oberyn ##Vote: Alderan | ||
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gumshoe
Canada3602 Posts
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
However Evantress or Xatalos would also make good targets. Maybe risk nuke. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Good god people, do you even read your own posts? And you wonder why I troll. | ||
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