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I was roleblocked . If I can't prove to you guys I'm town and I get lynched, please keep this in mind.
You guys are blowing this sheep / not sheep thing out of proportion.
I made it clear (or at least gave my best shot at explaining it here)
On March 21 2012 00:02 slOosh wrote:
Lastly is the hop off the Jackal - bandwagon issue:
I looked at his filter and from what I understand from the mafia games I have read, jackal himself admits that his reads are really bad day 1. Combine that with the factors that I mention and I saw that it could just be that.
The reason I didn't want to sheep Sandroba was because the bandwagon was forming really fast and I was scared that he could have been mafia pulling off an easy mislynch with no repercussions. I was willing to sheep on Snarfs because I could see how he could be mafia and that wasn't a 10 minute before deadline bandwagon, which allowed for additional information input and discussion and a possible change in vote. I didn't have that luxury with Jackal and so I decided no lynch was better than a null read lynch.
Now with the Jackal flip I'd be totally content in letting him direct votes and such. But before that he didn't really respond to my questions with his xsksc read and so I was unsure if this was just his style or intentionally not giving his reads, hence the hesitation to do a total sheep (opposed to partial sheep when I could see for myself why Snarfs looked somewhat suspicious).
It was driven by fear that on the off chance Sandroba was scum that a Jackal mislynch would lead to a dead townie with no voting patterns. I see the same thing with the lynch on me. Everyone hopping on. Basically it becomes a game of is Sandroba right or not, and people can sheep without any reason (and are in fact doing so). People are misconstruing my stance by assuming that Sandroba was confirmed town before the night flip - I didn't know that. If it was stupid to suspect that than I guess I'm stupid - but that doesn't make me scum.
As promised are my reads on Nemesis and Tobon:
Nemesis:
I really like his play early D1. He calls out VE for a weird case on johnny and was one of the first people to defend him.
On March 18 2012 10:28 Nemesis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2012 10:17 jcarlsoniv wrote:
##vote johnnywup
I shall join VE on this. My gut supa stronk.
Last post before I go out. DON'T HIDE YE IRISH SPIRIT Mind explaining your vote? I think that right now you guys are jumping on an easy bandwagon. johnnywup is a new player and this is his first game. Newbie mafias are more likely to lurk and be wishy washy with their post as you say. But he did take a stance that he thought jackal was town, which means that he is not avoiding the issue at all.
Pushes for information, notes who is inactive and points out bad logic when he sees it.
On March 19 2012 01:39 Nemesis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 01:34 jcarlsoniv wrote:On March 19 2012 01:29 Nemesis wrote:Explain my vote, eh? Well, I voted quite early in the day. Do you know why? Because I found (and still do find) his posting to be suspicious. So I placed a vote on him. I can find out information this way. But, sorry, I didn't mean to offend you and your scum buddy. And what exactly have you found out since you voted for him since you haven't even questioned him one bit? I've found out that, when put under pressure, johnnywup has been very keen on trying to clear his name, claiming he's just vanilla townie, and being very defensive in general. If he REALLY wants people to look elsewhere, he needs to start scumhunting for his own sake instead of just trying to be innocent. Innocent people don't feel the need to be innocent. Guilty people do. UMM NO, that is very horrible reasoning. People get defensive no matter what their role is when put under pressure. Take a look at chaoser in Mafia Factory where he was town and got lynched for being overly defensive. You are doing the same stupid shit here. On March 19 2012 07:35 Nemesis wrote:
##Vote: Probulous
As I said before, you are usually a lot more helpful as non-scum, and you are usually a bit spammy with your posts. But in here you've only posted once.
Furthermore he had a scum read on VE, one of the more active posters, and is very vocal and clear about it.
With his last post where he suspects me, I don't think that is indicative of scummy bandwagoning. I think scum have done a decent job painting the situation in an unfavourable light to me and he is reading it wrong. Or that I could have done something very stupid and it would be reasonable to suspect me on that I suppose.
Tobon:
Newbie town feeling. Often posts and responds to questions / things that aren't directly addressed to him, giving off a feeling of enthusiasm and transparency. Asks questions when confused - not afraid to post his thoughts.
Concerns right now:
TIPD is lurking hard and threw a vote on me without any reasoning. As it is I think the whole town is lynching me, so you will find scum on that list - and this is the same concern I had about jackal lynch - there isn't any voting pattern analysis but people sheeping and bandwagoning without repercussions.
Actually if anything I ask you guys start pressuring those bandwagoning hard. Seriously I don't know what to do when confirmed town Sandroba wants to lynch me and everyone is bandwagoning without much reasoning; if my death will help clear the air and get town refocused again than so be it.
But don't let scum bandwagon for free. Pressure them.
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On March 21 2012 14:14 johnnywup wrote:
And if you were roleblocked, what is your role? you're probably going to get lynched so if you want any chance of not being lynched you have better give your role RIGHT NOW. and thats a very small chance of not being lynched as well
You can get roleblocked whether you have a role or not. I was roleblocked and that is all I know - I don't know what alignment it came from.
On March 21 2012 16:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
@SlOosh
This isn't so much about the fact that you didn't sheep sandroba. Games don't have that many blind sheep. Jackal made himself suspicious enough to gather that many votes by being inactive. The fact that you were willing to "sheep" sandroba on a Snarfs lynch "because town sandroba is boss", yet when sandroba calls for someone else, you vote for "no-lynch" over a null read is suspicious no matter what you give as your reasoning. Jackal was suspiciously silent, and this lynch didn't happen just because sandroba waved a magic wand. Your reasoning for not being on the lynch is inconsistent with your previous votes.
So it boils down to my inability to see that Jackal's lurking was suspicious? I mean if that is the case than yea, I didn't.
I was open to semi sheeping on Snarfs because I could see him as slightly scummy - one was because he voted Nemesis, someone who I think is town (not that this is the tell) and then his reasoning for his unvote didn't make sense.
Right now it feels like I'm being lynched for bad play, not scummy play. Is it just because it threatened the Jackal lynch that it seems scummy?
On March 21 2012 14:13 johnnywup wrote:
so, sloosh, whos the scum we should pressure?
As for who I would start discussion about it would be Probulous.
For someone who has closely watched my posting in my newbie games, it doesn't make sense that he would use raw meta to "set the tone" - he knows the failure that was my SNMMVII game (where I was VT) and yet still assumes that meta is viable, as if I didn't want to improve my play.
He gives off lurking vibes, especially so since I've seen his scumhunting / discussion driving nature. The only thing he has talked about after D1 is me - I'd think he would move on to find the "last scum" as there isn't any serious opposition to my lynch.
Of course coming from me this could all look like OMGUS which is why I said you guys have to pressure - it seems most people are dead set fixed that I am scum and have closed ears on me and so won't take my reads or anything objectively, so I'm asking you guys to do it.
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On March 21 2012 22:36 Nemesis wrote:My main reason for voting you is this: Show nested quote +I wasn't willing to blindly believe the mason claim as it could have been a gutsy mafia ploy This is inconsistent with your previous vote and previous read: Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 03:01 slOosh wrote:On March 20 2012 02:05 Snarfs wrote:
First off, I don't think Nemesis is going down today, and I liked how collected he was in responding to my vote so that's off. He didn't get overly emotional or respond irrationally, which is what I would have expected from scum in his position.
##Unvote Nemesis
I liked Nemesis and Probulous's votes on VE. I think since thoses votes we've seen a bit better VE.
Mentions that Nemesis lynch is unviable for today in his explanation of unvote and in the same sentence says that he likes Nemesis' response and vote on VE (from which I infer he is leaning town read?). You can unvote someone because you now think they are town or if you want to avoid no-lynch and vote another mafia but I don't see how you can do both. Plus town Sandroba is boss.
##Unvote: xsksc
##Vote: SnarfsProbulous can you weigh in on Snarfs' posting this game? I know you played with him in Wiggle's mini not too long ago as well. Mind addressing that. You mentioned previously that you thought sandroba was town, and hopped in the bandwagon against snarfs. But when he pushed against Jackal, you suddenly changed your mind and thought sandroba was scum?
This may be where the misunderstanding may be coming from, but when I used the term "town Sandroba" it was to say that Sandroba is established in the TL mafia community as a good town player, not that I was like 99% certain that he was town.
Breakdown of actions & thoughts
I know that Sandroba is a really strong town player.
His mason claim = confirmed town but back then there was chance it could have been 2 mafia. Unlikely maybe, but not impossible.
I'm open to Snarfs lynch because I can see how Snarfs could be scummy, and there is time available in the day to discuss should new information arise.
I'm not open to Jackal lynch because I only see null lurking that I thought a town Jackal might also do, and there is no more time available in the day to discuss
Paranoia kicks in and I fear worst case scenario where scum Sandroba mislynches town Jackal and we are screwed since we lost a town aligned vet.
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On March 22 2012 01:00 sandroba wrote:
@SlOosh Can you please claim your role? I'm starting to get this weird feeling that you are town and probulous is scum.
I am a vanilla town.
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Is there anything I can do to help or should I just await town verdict?
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Ok did a whole reread of thread.
On March 20 2012 02:37 sandroba wrote:
Remember people, the ones that we are really looking after are people that are actively avoiding to say anything that could be considered scummy, trying to blend in and hide, while not actually doing anything thing useful
First pick is Probulous:
Upon rereading the thread, ALL his activity D1 centered around a defense of johnnywub. All of it. There is no indication of desire to scumhunt. He acknowledges that he had suspicions on me due to my interactions with xsksc but did not push his case, nor did he even ask any probing questions to get a better read. Even when he moves his vote to Tobon after he has his scuffle with VE, he doesn't pursue a stronger read.
Conclusion: I think that he chose an easy way to look active by defending a townie (notably after Sandroba gives his johnny is town read - contrast to Nemesis who defended him from a poor case before anyone gave such reads). Blending in and not doing anything useful ( I expressed how I think his case on me had holes in them)
I'll put my money where my mouth is:
##Vote Probulous
Next is TIPD:
Just pull up his filter. I've expressed this sentiment on D1 and I still do. Lurking and not really putting in any effort.
He is on the Jackal wagon but I don't think it is too far fetched to think it was bus. People were piling votes on him and it only met "resistance" when I did a no-lynch vote 10 minutes before deadline. However the need for a hammer was unforseeable and so I can see mafia bussing.
Conclusion: No original effort evident. "go with the flow" attitude.
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On March 22 2012 05:15 Toad_in_Pink_Dress wrote:
I am about to take a trip to indonesia and slap my other head across the face with a wet fish for out-lurking me when i am still alive in another game.
Nemesis what is your current stance on VE?
What is your stance on me and Probulous?
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On March 22 2012 06:56 Snarfs wrote:
@slOosh:
Can you point me to where your opinion changed on xsksc and what your reasoning is for no longer believing he is scum (or at least him not warranting your top 2 picks)?
Here is the post explaining my tendency to tunnel
On March 21 2012 00:02 slOosh wrote:shift onto Snarfs / other stuff: I realized that my focus on xsksc led me to miss a lot of stuff going on in the thread. Which is what I tend to do when I tunnel and as effort to improve myself as a player I stopped. Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 12:49 slOosh wrote:
EBWOP: scratch that I'm rereading the whole thread. Realized I missed much stuff due to my dialogue w/ xsksc. Notice that this is the turning point in which I redirect my focus onto Snarfs / other stuff.
Couple that with Sandroba's town read
On March 20 2012 03:05 slOosh wrote:Could you explain your read on xsksc? I want to improve my scum-hunting skills and I feel like I could learn much from you.
Finally add a proper thorough rereading of thread -> noticing that I missed the post where VE addresses him, upon which I based my suspicions of a "pre-emptive" defense. I realized I was setting up a straw man and tearing that apart and of course he would get suspicious of me for doing something so stupid.
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On March 22 2012 07:53 Probulous wrote:
The only one who was really pushing [VE] was me. Sure sandroba was a little skeptical of you but you were in no danger of being lynched. The upside was minimal compared to losing a scum buddy.
Nemesis' filter would argue with that. Trying to claim town cred when Nemesis was doing just the same.
On March 22 2012 08:39 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 08:29 Toad_in_Pink_Dress wrote:On March 22 2012 08:25 johnnywup wrote:On March 22 2012 08:19 Probulous wrote:
Does everyone else understand what VE is saying? not really, this is way over my head right now @_@ i'll vote for whoever sand votes for, really.. also TIPD what the fuck have you done all game anyways? post randomly about who you think is scum and whos inno, and then vote occasionally? Maybe i would answer if you were not such a cunt + Show Spoiler +swearing is bad children, don't do it Really? Come on son there is no need for that. I agree with Johnny that you have been useless this game. Laya, I don't expect anything from Bluelightz but you are a decent scum-hunter. Shape up.
On March 22 2012 09:52 Probulous wrote:
After we lynch slOosh we lynch TIPD.
No posts in between. Just jumps from the first post to the second. The only new information from TIPD is
On March 22 2012 09:40 Toad_in_Pink_Dress wrote:
I'm dead in Aperture Mafia so I can put more time to this now.
He is willing to see TIPD shape up, sees the post where TIPD gives reason for inactivity/lurking and then decides that TIPD should be the next lynch. I think it is a distraction to get us away from talking about me and him as he does not like the direction it is heading - and it looks like he just went through his filter and made everything look bad.
I mean take this:
On March 22 2012 09:52 Probulous wrote:Here we have a nice little attempt at outing the Cop (assuming we have one) ( Klicky). Follow the cop only works if we have a medic, with two roleblocks claimed it is possible that instead of a medic we have a town roleblocker. Then comes a blatant bandwagon vote for slOosh ( Klicky) and a useless put down of both VE and myself ( Klicky).
So what, a blatant bandwagon on someone who you are sure is scum is a scum tell? Nuh-uh. Town don't think like that.
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On March 22 2012 16:50 Dirkzor wrote:
Oh my. Why did slOosh keep quite during the probulous interrogation and now when the focus is back on himself he starts posting more?
Spring break = I'm busy during evenings which is when the discussion really picked up.
I'm only able to glance the thread and so I waited until I had time to read through the new information and post accordingly.
But I can't really prove that so I guess if it looks suspicious to you then that is that.
On March 22 2012 18:59 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 15:51 slOosh wrote:On March 22 2012 07:53 Probulous wrote:
The only one who was really pushing [VE] was me. Sure sandroba was a little skeptical of you but you were in no danger of being lynched. The upside was minimal compared to losing a scum buddy.
Nemesis' filter would argue with that. Trying to claim town cred when Nemesis was doing just the same. Fair point but you can't argue that I wasnt pushing VE.
I can't, but that is not what you initially said - "the only one who was really pushing [VE]".
Stretching the truth to look town is something town don't need to do.
On March 22 2012 18:59 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 08:39 Probulous wrote:On March 22 2012 08:29 Toad_in_Pink_Dress wrote:On March 22 2012 08:25 johnnywup wrote:On March 22 2012 08:19 Probulous wrote:
Does everyone else understand what VE is saying? not really, this is way over my head right now @_@ i'll vote for whoever sand votes for, really.. also TIPD what the fuck have you done all game anyways? post randomly about who you think is scum and whos inno, and then vote occasionally? Maybe i would answer if you were not such a cunt + Show Spoiler +swearing is bad children, don't do it Really? Come on son there is no need for that. I agree with Johnny that you have been useless this game. Laya, I don't expect anything from Bluelightz but you are a decent scum-hunter. Shape up. On March 22 2012 09:52 Probulous wrote:
After we lynch slOosh we lynch TIPD.
No posts in between. Just jumps from the first post to the second. The only new information from TIPD is On March 22 2012 09:40 Toad_in_Pink_Dress wrote:
I'm dead in Aperture Mafia so I can put more time to this now. He is willing to see TIPD shape up, sees the post where TIPD gives reason for inactivity/lurking and then decides that TIPD should be the next lynch. I think it is a distraction to get us away from talking about me and him as he does not like the direction it is heading - and it looks like he just went through his filter and made everything look bad. I mean take this: On March 22 2012 09:52 Probulous wrote:Here we have a nice little attempt at outing the Cop (assuming we have one) ( Klicky). Follow the cop only works if we have a medic, with two roleblocks claimed it is possible that instead of a medic we have a town roleblocker. Then comes a blatant bandwagon vote for slOosh ( Klicky) and a useless put down of both VE and myself ( Klicky). So what, a blatant bandwagon on someone who you are sure is scum is a scum tell? Nuh-uh. Town don't think like that. You are really stretching here. A bandwagon of any sort is scummy because you don't provide any reasoning for your vote. As for TIPD, I spent all morning defending myself from accusations I wasnt scum hunting. When I got the chance I took a look at those on the Jackal wagon and he jumped out at me.
Based on your reads that both me and TIPD are scum, you are willing to believe all of the following:
1) As a scum team we decided that one of us should bandwagon Jackal and the other one should stay off and draw attention onto themselves
2) As a scum team, now that I am suspicious in D2 we decide that we should do the softest bus ever and the best possible way to do it without suspicion is
On March 21 2012 08:15 Toad_in_Pink_Dress wrote:
We have agreed to vote slOosh
##Vote: slOosh
3) As a scum team, I was willing to point out that TIPD was lurking on D1 and draw attention to him unnecessarily
On March 19 2012 14:30 slOosh wrote:Has everyone just learned to ignore TIPD (Toad_in_Pink_Dress)'s posts? Contents of filter: - bunch of fluff - expression of suspicion on Tobon but no actions indicating a desire to make a better judgement as indicated by general inactivity and his lack of response to this quote Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 07:01 Tobon wrote:On March 19 2012 06:51 Toad_in_Pink_Dress wrote:
We are suspicious of Tobon but wish to see more posts from him before making a judgement that we can agree upon. Tha't fine. And what are your thoughts about VE's vote and then unvote for Johnnywup? And which, out of Sloosh and Xsksc do you think makes the better case? - a desire to lynch Nemesis without backing up with any reasoning
and again when in the midst of intense scrutiny the first thing I choose to voice is my concern of TIPD's lurking again
On March 21 2012 14:06 slOosh wrote:
Concerns right now:
TIPD is lurking hard and threw a vote on me without any reasoning. As it is I think the whole town is lynching me, so you will find scum on that list - and this is the same concern I had about jackal lynch - there isn't any voting pattern analysis but people sheeping and bandwagoning without repercussions.
On March 22 2012 18:59 Probulous wrote:
Do you have any issue with case itself? No only with my apparent change of mind. Well yes my mind did change because I actually read his filter carefully. What is your problem here?
From phone
Most issues were already addressed by others before I was able to read and post. Echoing them isn't going to help anyone.
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On March 22 2012 23:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay, the way I see it we're either flipping slOosh or we're no-lynching.
##Unvote: Probulous
##Vote: slOosh
Not sure how I feel about it, given the roleblock claim. If it's legit, initial reaction is that he's probably town...but going back over his filter, he doesn't do anything like blue-slip or lurk or anything. I can't imagine why scum would roleblock him.
So, if I had to guess, I'd say that it was town who roleblocked him and scum who roleblocked me. Obviously speculation, but it at least puts my mind at ease about flipping slOosh...the chances are much greater that slOosh is scum (in my eyes) since it appears that town RB'd slOosh.
If anyone has any serious reservations about slOosh flipping, now is the time guys. If we want to switch targets, we need to start talking about it now. I'm okay with slOosh flipping, myself.
I'm guessing that it was for this exact purpose that scum would roleblock me - to put in hesitation and such.
But think about it - you claimed roleblock before me. Why would I as scum claim an additional roleblock?
But I guess that too is WIFOM.
Is there anything else I can do to prove my innocence?
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P.S. please look at my post which unfortunately is at the bottom of the previous page.
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On March 22 2012 23:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's not about proving your innocence at this point - it's about finding a viable different candidate. If you really want to save yourself, convince town to lynch someone else. Just coming in and asking everyone "how you can prove your innocence" is ridiculous - because even if you followed the instructions to the letter, that doesn't do anything to "prove your innocence" because you asked.
So is Probulous your lynch of choice?
Yes Probulous is my lynch of choice.
Summary why:
- Spends most of D1 lurking under the guise of activity by defending a townie
- Has built multiple cases against me and TIPD that were found to be poorly reasoned / with logical holes
- In the posts where people think he "makes sense" , the subject matter isn't about me or his case on me but rather concerning his reads on VE and TIPD. This also is the source of much of his "activity".
- Thought process that both me and TIPD are scum make no sense
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On March 21 2012 08:06 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 07:40 Snarfs wrote:On March 21 2012 07:31 sandroba wrote:
Yeah I can agree with that. I'd like to hear arguments from everyone though, since I'm not very sure myself. I'm leaning towards Nemesis being town. After my initial vote, he hasn't done anything to raise my suspicions, and as I stated before the day post I think his tunneling of one of the stronger players this game doesn't make much sense from a scum point of view. This is my feeling too. I think Sloosh is mafia and Nemesis has been pushing Sloosh as well. I find it hard to believe that mafia would be bussing Day 2 given they lost Jackal with the first lynch. I'll take another look and see if I can find anything. ##Vote: Sloosh
Caught this with a reread. Makes it more damning that he somehow considers both me and TIPD to be scum.
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On March 22 2012 10:53 Nemesis wrote:
You know what, I think I'll stick to my sloosh vote.
What do you think in light of my posts?
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On March 23 2012 00:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
To be fair, as sandroba (I think) explained, scum are going to bus the shit out of their teammates today. Whether you're scum or not, if a wagon gains immediate traction as yours did, scum have no choice but to go along at least at first.
Yea I can see your point. Sucks to be me :/
Can other people start weighing in asap? There is no benefit to just waiting until Sandroba posts and sheeping him - he himself said that he gets his most useful information when it isn't driven by him. More information = Sandroba can make better decision = better chance of town victory.
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On March 23 2012 00:39 Toad_in_Pink_Dress wrote:
Just for explainig guys, I will switch to Probulous if you guys decide to lynch him.
So you think both of us have good chance of flipping scum so you don't care either way?
You said I make sense. Does Probulous also make as much sense?
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On March 23 2012 01:09 Tobon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 00:26 slOosh wrote:On March 21 2012 08:06 Probulous wrote:On March 21 2012 07:40 Snarfs wrote:
I'm leaning towards Nemesis being town. After my initial vote, he hasn't done anything to raise my suspicions, and as I stated before the day post I think his tunneling of one of the stronger players this game doesn't make much sense from a scum point of view. This is my feeling too. I think Sloosh is mafia and Nemesis has been pushing Sloosh as well. I find it hard to believe that mafia would be bussing Day 2 given they lost Jackal with the first lynch. I'll take another look and see if I can find anything. ##Vote: Sloosh Caught this with a reread. Makes it more damning that he somehow considers both me and TIPD to be scum. Why would this be damning to Probulous? It's certainly _possible_ that both you and TIPD are scum. What's the supposed inconsistency here?
It is possible. But, if that were true, you would have to agree to the three points I laid out.
On March 22 2012 23:23 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2012 18:59 Probulous wrote:
You are really stretching here. A bandwagon of any sort is scummy because you don't provide any reasoning for your vote. As for TIPD, I spent all morning defending myself from accusations I wasnt scum hunting. When I got the chance I took a look at those on the Jackal wagon and he jumped out at me.
Based on your reads that both me and TIPD are scum, you are willing to believe all of the following: 1) As a scum team we decided that one of us should bandwagon Jackal and the other one should stay off and draw attention onto themselves 2) As a scum team, now that I am suspicious in D2 we decide that we should do the softest bus ever and the best possible way to do it without suspicion is Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 08:15 Toad_in_Pink_Dress wrote:
We have agreed to vote slOosh
##Vote: slOosh 3) As a scum team, I was willing to point out that TIPD was lurking on D1 and draw attention to him unnecessarily Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 14:30 slOosh wrote:Has everyone just learned to ignore TIPD (Toad_in_Pink_Dress)'s posts? Contents of filter: - bunch of fluff - expression of suspicion on Tobon but no actions indicating a desire to make a better judgement as indicated by general inactivity and his lack of response to this quote On March 19 2012 07:01 Tobon wrote:On March 19 2012 06:51 Toad_in_Pink_Dress wrote:
We are suspicious of Tobon but wish to see more posts from him before making a judgement that we can agree upon. Tha't fine. And what are your thoughts about VE's vote and then unvote for Johnnywup? And which, out of Sloosh and Xsksc do you think makes the better case? - a desire to lynch Nemesis without backing up with any reasoning and again when in the midst of intense scrutiny the first thing I choose to voice is my concern of TIPD's lurking again Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 14:06 slOosh wrote:
Concerns right now:
TIPD is lurking hard and threw a vote on me without any reasoning. As it is I think the whole town is lynching me, so you will find scum on that list - and this is the same concern I had about jackal lynch - there isn't any voting pattern analysis but people sheeping and bandwagoning without repercussions.
VE did point out that Sandroba followed up with the scum-will-bus-regardless explanation, so it isn't damning in itself. I just think that post lends weight to my case that his reads are inconsistent and full of holes. Everything is possible - but when the improbable stacks up something is fishy. I mean, look at his town read on VE - it's basically founded upon the improbable principle but he doesn't apply the same thing with his reads on me and TIPD? That is the inconsistency.
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On March 22 2012 07:08 Tobon wrote:
I'd rather lynch slOosh, and I'll tell you why: the role block claim.
I think Probulous and slOosh are both equally probable scum. And I see VE switching targets so that we won't flip slOosh, just as soon as the discussion about how unlikely 2 role blockers are died down a bit.
So if slOosh is scum, we lynch scum (yay!), but if slOosh is town, we lynch VE tomorrow.
While you are here could you elaborate on this / give your updated read on the situation?
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