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On March 20 2012 04:19 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 04:17 Grackaroni wrote:On March 20 2012 04:13 Blazinghand wrote:On March 20 2012 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:On March 20 2012 04:07 Blazinghand wrote:On March 20 2012 04:06 Grackaroni wrote:On March 20 2012 04:04 Blazinghand wrote:On March 20 2012 04:02 Blazinghand wrote:On March 20 2012 04:01 Grackaroni wrote:On March 20 2012 03:59 Blazinghand wrote:[quote] ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/fGbjD.gif) Your votes seemed suspicious. You did nothing pro-town before calling out Zelblade and people wanted to elect you. Why did you want to run for the election? It does in fact seem like you quit playing to an extent after losing it. Since losing the election, I asked veli some questions, went to bed, went to class, then came back. It has not been very long. I will not entertain your lunacy any further. If you have a real case, make it. Otherwise, get off my lawn. Also, what, my votes seemed suspicious? Are you fucking kidding me? Here's what I did: 1) voted Cyber_Cheese for totally reasonable reasons 2) saw zelblade's "slip" (and he has not been captain mchelpful since) and voted him for that totally reasonable reason. 3) refused to negotiate with terrorists Oh you're right clearly I'm suspicious, definitely i'm a problem and not a guy like you or nisani or something! There's a difference, I don't expect much from Nisani. He's playing his standard game, I'm not sure that you are. You voted for Cyber_Cheese because he had no posts. I did give you credit for noticing Zelblade's post but you got votes before that even happened. Ok, so your case is associative tells-- that some people were voting me before I was clearly town, and those people who were voting me on D1 were my scumbuddies. I can't be 3rd party or sleeper cell even since they don't communicate D1 right? So you're saying "blazinghand is in the mafia faction and his scumbuddies tried to start his mayor wagon before he established himself as town"? Is that really your case? I never even said I was making a case on you. I'm pressuring you. You dodged the question. Here, let me rephrase it in terms that you can understand better: Ok, so your PRESSURE is associative tells-- that some people were voting me before I was clearly town, and those people who were voting me on D1 were my scumbuddies. I can't be 3rd party or sleeper cell even since they don't communicate D1 right? So you're saying "blazinghand is in the mafia faction and his scumbuddies tried to start his mayor wagon before he established himself as town"? Is that really your PRESSURE? No the main reason is that you seem to be hiding. If it wasn't for you getting voted for election and pointing out zelblade's post I wouldn't remember you were playing. The election thing I added is just that I found it suspicious that you were getting votes without being overly pro-town. Well I'm sorry you have a bad memory. Nothing I can do about that. I suppose I got my 13 votes from my 12 scumbuddies!
It only really takes 1-2 votes. it was a 2 candidate race, after a couple votes were thrown down nobody else got a 2nd vote.
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On March 20 2012 01:27 gonzaw wrote:
Here, I'll make you a list of all the players lurking:
Currently lurking:
-Mr Wiggles
-Kitaman27
-Ghost_403
-Blazinghand
-sinani
-Lanaia
-Paperscraps
-Nisani201
-Adam4167
-Cwave
-Cyber_Cheese
-RayzorFlash (when he wasn't responding to my case)
-MidnightGladius
-Maverick32x
Players that lurked until few moments ago:
-Zephird
-zelblade
-blubdavid
-Bluelightz
-Dirk Hardpec
So yeah, I'd say I'm 99% sure many scum are lurking.
Did you think this was a useful post? I think this is worthless and an attempt to make your filter look big and impressive without actually being helpful.
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On March 20 2012 04:20 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 04:19 Blazinghand wrote:On March 20 2012 04:17 Grackaroni wrote:On March 20 2012 04:13 Blazinghand wrote:On March 20 2012 04:10 Grackaroni wrote:On March 20 2012 04:07 Blazinghand wrote:On March 20 2012 04:06 Grackaroni wrote:On March 20 2012 04:04 Blazinghand wrote:On March 20 2012 04:02 Blazinghand wrote:On March 20 2012 04:01 Grackaroni wrote:
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Your votes seemed suspicious.
You did nothing pro-town before calling out Zelblade and people wanted to elect you.
Why did you want to run for the election?
It does in fact seem like you quit playing to an extent after losing it. Since losing the election, I asked veli some questions, went to bed, went to class, then came back. It has not been very long. I will not entertain your lunacy any further. If you have a real case, make it. Otherwise, get off my lawn. Also, what, my votes seemed suspicious? Are you fucking kidding me? Here's what I did: 1) voted Cyber_Cheese for totally reasonable reasons 2) saw zelblade's "slip" (and he has not been captain mchelpful since) and voted him for that totally reasonable reason. 3) refused to negotiate with terrorists Oh you're right clearly I'm suspicious, definitely i'm a problem and not a guy like you or nisani or something! There's a difference, I don't expect much from Nisani. He's playing his standard game, I'm not sure that you are. You voted for Cyber_Cheese because he had no posts. I did give you credit for noticing Zelblade's post but you got votes before that even happened. Ok, so your case is associative tells-- that some people were voting me before I was clearly town, and those people who were voting me on D1 were my scumbuddies. I can't be 3rd party or sleeper cell even since they don't communicate D1 right? So you're saying "blazinghand is in the mafia faction and his scumbuddies tried to start his mayor wagon before he established himself as town"? Is that really your case? I never even said I was making a case on you. I'm pressuring you. You dodged the question. Here, let me rephrase it in terms that you can understand better: Ok, so your PRESSURE is associative tells-- that some people were voting me before I was clearly town, and those people who were voting me on D1 were my scumbuddies. I can't be 3rd party or sleeper cell even since they don't communicate D1 right? So you're saying "blazinghand is in the mafia faction and his scumbuddies tried to start his mayor wagon before he established himself as town"? Is that really your PRESSURE? No the main reason is that you seem to be hiding. If it wasn't for you getting voted for election and pointing out zelblade's post I wouldn't remember you were playing. The election thing I added is just that I found it suspicious that you were getting votes without being overly pro-town. Well I'm sorry you have a bad memory. Nothing I can do about that. I suppose I got my 13 votes from my 12 scumbuddies! It only really takes 1-2 votes. it was a 2 candidate race, after a couple votes were thrown down nobody else got a 2nd vote.
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Grrr, I post analysis and while I'm writing it up theres 3 pages of pointless arguing instead of actual scumhunting...
I am disappoint
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On March 20 2012 04:24 RayzorFlash wrote:
Grrr, I post analysis and while I'm writing it up theres 3 pages of pointless arguing instead of actual scumhunting...
I am disappoint
Sorry, I'll stop spamming for a bit 
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On March 20 2012 04:24 RayzorFlash wrote:
Grrr, I post analysis and while I'm writing it up theres 3 pages of pointless arguing instead of actual scumhunting...
I am disappoint
it's not as easy to make a case on mav. It's his second overall game afaik. His first "real" one. Normal standards may not be applied as easily...
But it's noted and you may be right and some points...
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On March 20 2012 04:15 RayzorFlash wrote:
@Gonzaw: Dude seriously?? Every time I wake up from being asleep, I end up on your lurker list to be shot into... This is beyond ridiculous... I'm almost starting to get the same feeling off you as I did off of VisceraEyes in Arkham City, where you're being overactive and contributing a lot of towny looking discussion to be seen as town...
Well, were you lurking or not?
I never said that list was for vigs to shoot at, so don't lie.
Being overactive and contributing a lot of towny looking discussion is the exact thing townies have to do to establish their innocence.
I do know that some veteran players might be able to pull off that if they are scum; so if you think I'm pulling that out as scum, then please say it bluntly and point out evidence of me pushing a scum/3rd party agenda.
Regarding your Mav case, thank you for at least trying to contribute something.
I'd want to wait for his response first, but I don't find your case very convincing
@Grack: I'd really hope you don't kill Dirk tonight.
Even though he doesn't exactly scream townie, we can deal with him on D2, considering that at least he's willing to post.
I'd advise you to not shoot anyone tonight, and if you do, shoot the lurkers that aren't willing to post.
Did you think this was a useful post? I think this is worthless and an attempt to make your filter look big and impressive without actually being helpful.
No, it wasn't really a useful post.
Again, sarcasm (almost everybody is "lurking" in some way or another in this game, so saying that scum may be lurking is kind of redundant).
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On March 20 2012 04:15 RayzorFlash wrote:Show nested quote +Now on to scum-hunting... Maverick32x... I think you're scum
Starts off the game with a lot of Wheatley talk, while not contributing any candidates or anything whatsoever. However, takes himself out of the running immediately by saying he "likes playing town", while also being wishy-washy as hell so if anyone brings this up, he can say "Oh I wouldn't have minded being Wheatley", AND "Oh, I didn't want to be Wheatley" ...
If I remember correcetly... The discussion was of Wheatly becoming 'evil'.. I didn't want to be responsible for that, and I didn't want to be Wheatley -_-...
Forget about the ninja-vote, but he lurks hardcore after jumping on the two bandwagons with VERY vague and random reasons. The funny thing is that Draz' first-night shot was universally seen as being town-favored. It was all the shit he pulled afterwards that made him scummy/a risk to town, and that's the only point he has for voting to lynch him...
This was St. Patrick's day Weekend... I'm not sure what you expect.... And I never saw that first day kill as 'town-favored' at all...
On March 20 2012 02:22 Maverick32x wrote:
All right! I've finally caught up with the thread completely...
I want to get off that 'lurker' list asap...
Wait, you are posting to get off the lurker list? Getting off the lurker list should just be a byproduct of active posting/being town. As scummy as that seems, I'm willing to forgive that for a bit and move on.
I realize the way the game is played, and I'm transparent with my motives .Yes, I could sit here and read, and think.. and not contribute.. but I realize that if I'm not contributing early on- then my opinions will carry little to no weight when it actually matters.. if I start to get good reads and am confident in something, I want to make sure my voice is heard and that it is influential....
I'd first like to look at bit more at this Foolishness/Dirk thing that has kind of been brewing. I know there has been some back and forth on this, but one thing that really stuck out to me, was why did Foolishness target Dirk out of all the lurkers? (myself included). There have been plenty of fluff posts, yet he stuck to him... I also think that his post restriction is probably madeup, but that really shouldn't be something we dwell on, since it really doesn't matter if it is, or isnt....
If Dirk is scum, this seems like a pretty weak attempt at protecting him. Yes, there have been a lot of fluff posts, but theres no reason for Foolishness not to pressure someone that seemed scummy and had only one post that was pure fluff and achieved nothing at the time. I don't think Foolishness actually expected a wagon to form around Dirk, but it was good pressure, and it did end up getting Dirk to eventually post/contribute more. I don't buy that any sane person could think that Foolishness had no reason for targeting Dirk...
I'm actually NOT trying to protect him... I really think that there is something significant about why Foolishness targetted him. I felt like that point was glossed over, and that it deserved being revisited. I see Dirk posting a lot more now, and that is encouraging??
The death of Drazerk gave us a lot more information than I think we are considering... it appears that there are a lot of roles that exist in this game and different factions. We know there are some Sleeper Cell Agents that exist.. and we know there are 3 "Beings of Great Power" that remain... I have a strong feeling that those 3 beings really want that Destablization Engine, and Ganzow may of painted a target on his back with that latest post... I'd be curious as to what other purpose this item provides.
I think all of these things have been considered already, really, and he ends up using a full paragraph to say nothing really relevant...
I don't think this HAS been said. In fact, I think we have some of the more 'active' people simply being 3rd party people!! Thats why we have such an interest in items, since their wincon seems to be based around it. Especially with the Destablization engine being revealed, I think this is important to keep on the forefront of our minds. If you remember, one of the conditions was that if this engine reached level 5, all the mafia died?! That seems pretty insane and powerful...
How are we going to start looking for Scum? We've been REALLY hung up on 3rd party/items/roles etc. and really haven't focused in on our TRUE objective?
As for my personal scum reads:
I sadly have pretty much none besides the lurker list, and that isn't very convincing at all for me.. I'm worried that a lot of third party people are trying to get their objectives met (Kenpachi) and don't care about town objectives at all...
Alright, wtf. You want people to hunt for scum, but the only analysis you have in your own post is about 3rd party/items/roles... Then you go on to not actually hut for scum and say that so far in the game you have NO scum reads? I find that more than a little bit hard to believe... This part of your post makes me VERY suspicious of you, the only real post you've made so far that had anything of substance, and it seems scummy as all f*ck...
If it was day, i'd have put a vote on you. Fortunately, it isn't, so you have a chance to come back here and actually scum hunt and make me believe you're town. Hop to it...[/QUOTE]
I would like us to refocus our energies- and not allow the third parties to dictate who we lynch/investigate.
I also realize that you're under the gun from pressure of your own, so maybe this is your attempt to deflect it onto someone else?
Either way, if you have any other questions about my posts/motives. Just let me know.
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
On March 20 2012 04:28 gonzaw wrote:@Grack: I'd really hope you don't kill Dirk tonight. Even though he doesn't exactly scream townie, we can deal with him on D2, considering that at least he's willing to post. I'd advise you to not shoot anyone tonight, and if you do, shoot the lurkers that aren't willing to post. Show nested quote +Did you think this was a useful post? I think this is worthless and an attempt to make your filter look big and impressive without actually being helpful. No, it wasn't really a useful post. Again, sarcasm (almost everybody is "lurking" in some way or another in this game, so saying that scum may be lurking is kind of redundant).
@Grack: definitely shoot tonight, and shoot a lurker, and dont' use gonzaw's unhelpful list. If you have a strong scumread on someone, shoot him instead, but as it stands it will be hard to lynch / discuss lurkers tomorrow, so it's best to shoot into them.
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Oh ya, let me add one other thing.. and I'm sure I'll get a ton of heat for this as well...
On Saturday- I was convinced that the day/night role over was going to occur, so I wanted to get my votes in so I wouldn't get modkilled.. I was clearly mistaken, but just stuck with it anyways.... I know its easy to say I'm lieing, so I guess its up to you if you believe that or not... but thats what happened...
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@Gonzaw: I wasn't lurking, I was sleeping, lol
@Jayjay: Thanks for letting me know this was Mav's 2nd game... I hadn't considered that...
@Mav: GAHHH the formatting, it burns (j/k, lol)
I want you to actually contribute... Who are a few of your scum reads? Who do you think vigis should shoot tonight? Something... Anything, really...
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Any chance you would tell us who's smurf you are?
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BH are you being bitter because I didn't vote you for mayor?
Also, what is your read on Valineth?
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On March 19 2012 11:59 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2012 11:43 gonzaw wrote:
@Grack: Please post info about this Lemon Tree.
Did someone give you more lemons? What does the Lemon Tree do (apart I guess from just giving you more lemons)? I'm a 4th party role. I am unlynchable, bullet proof and I win with all possible roles/factions. Once per day/night cycle I must plant a lemon tree. My win condition is that I must collect the entire game's supply of lemons. My only weakness is that I am susceptible to poisoned lemons....
![[image loading]](http://i44.tinypic.com/2iixxea.jpg)
Working on a post. Not sure if I'll post it when I'm done or at the deadline.
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Don't worry Rahyzor, I've been working on it~
Scum Reads:
Ghost403: Its suspicious to me that he flipped so wildly on the Draz lynch... If we were to take the prespective that Ghost IS scum.. it would be in his favor to try to keep a chaotic 3rd party alive, while having the town run in circles trying to lynch the first day... Not to mention, if the heat ever got onto a scum buddy, it could be deflected back to Draz as someone to lynch... and of course the "I'll do a read on Dirk" that never comes is always strange to me.. The problem with my entire argument however, is that its all passed on the 'assumption' that he is scum.. so its kind of weak. I would be more interested to just hear more out of him.. wouldn't vote for him at this point, but is under 'suspicious' on my spreadsheet haha
Sinani: Small filter- Big generalizations. Claims that Zeph is scum with very little reasoning and then says he doesn't want to vote for Vel.. but then says Vel is Town. .and then votes for him?!?! Personally this is who I would vote for if we were voting right now.
As for vigi shots.. I have no idea what makes good criteria for that. Whats the advantage of doing that over lynching? Or is it just another way to kill someone without a majority?
Thats what I've got so far.. I was in a bad habit in my last game of posting on EVERYONE, and I think that makes things way too cluttered, so I'm trying to cut down and make it a bit more concise.
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I leave you guys alone for 20hrs, and now I gotta read 10 pages.
brb
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Okay people, I'm going to uni, and I'll be back like 2-3 hours after the deadline.
If I die, I'd like you guys to pressure the "lurkers", but most of all pressure the "veterans" if they are not doing the job expected from them.
Most of all, pressure Wiggles and Foolishness, they are the ones that lack the most effort from what I can gather.
I'd suggest just killing C_C, preferably by a vig shot, I wouldn't want all Day 2 discussion based on his "activity".
Also, ghost/Lanaia/Paperscraps are indeed flying under the radar for now at least, I suggest pressure on them as well, and I think there is scum/3rd party in that list of 3.
I'd expect Nisani/blubdavid/Dirk to up their activity next day.
Also, even if I die I want some players to answer these questions if they haven't already:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120¤tpage=47#927
I'd want sinani to state why he thought Zephird was scum, and what made him change his mind (he didn't answer this).
I'd want Bluelightz to respond to this post if he has anything interesting to say:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319120¤tpage=53#1054
Also more people's opinions on that "case" about Blue are welcomed as well..
I guess I'm not forgetting anything, so goodbye people.
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A quick note for Nisani and Maverick: There was no good reason for me to post on why I though Dirk was scummy when I got back. When I returned to the thread, Draz had gone off the deepend, and needed to go IMO. When Draz was a neutral third party, I didn't see the point in offing him; he's just going to sit around and ignore us for the most part. Then, he tells us that he's starting to help the sleeper cell. That's when he changed from neutral to dangerous, and that's why I switched a vote.
As far as my thoughts on Dirk: not impressed, but not ready to lynch him. A few of his posts have been aggressive and poorly thought out. For example, this one, where he says we should lynch anyone who was not immediately on board the Draz lynch. That's terrible play for a lot of reasons. Right now, I'm leaning stupid aggressive townie as opposed to scum, but I'm willing to change my positions if he does something really stupid. If he got vig'd, I'd say no big loss.
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