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On March 13 2012 05:42 prplhz wrote:
I see no particular reason to believe or disbelieve Jackal58's claim, it hasn't changed how I think that he's scum.
I'd really like to be around for deadline but I'm going to bed soon. I expect Jackal58 to be dead tomorrow.
@Curu There's probably a role blocker since that's the most common scum role around, and all other common bases are covered with they funky KP powers.
Perfect solution
I shoot you. If you're town I die.
If you're scum you die.
If we both live lynch me and you're guaranteed scum.
Win win.
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On March 13 2012 06:03 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 05:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
How does Caller thinking a scum would defend another scum make him scum? Maybe I'm not following your logic.
Jackal, roleclaiming was unnecessary. If there is no claim to the contrary I'll believe you. Dreamflower is a pretty specific role and I doubt there is more than one in this game as opposed to something like medic or veteran.
We need to reconsider the business surrounding prplhz. His play is poor but it's not particularly scummy and the attempt to pin someone as scum for making a similar case around the same timeframe is ridiculous and comes off to me as a hamfisted attempt by scum to start a bandwagon. The fact that it took makes me even more sure it's scum originated or backed.
Wiggles is the first to jump on it, doing nothing in the game besides talk about mechanics/town strategy (at great length) until this point I'm surprised his first attempt at hunting scum is so forced and illogical. The fact that prplhz made a case near the same time period is inconclusive, might perhaps implicate that he is town talking to curu or caller in PM but hardly mafiaesque.
Jitsu is the only one who voted for him and he's already been in the hotseat. This is the most alarming event in this thread to me. The Caller vs VE deal is really coming off to me like an ensuing tragedy of townie vs townie. See, the funny thing, is that I never actually wrote, or even implicated that they were all scum. I just wrote that prplhz calling Caller Curu and then Curu coming out with his own case right after looked like it was planned, and asked if they were communicating about it because it looked weird to me. In fact, the first person to draw the implication that I was calling them all scum together... was you. Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 08:27 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Are you three (Curu, Caller, prplhz) communicating together already? In the space of twenty minutes, all three of you come out with similar cases all on Jackal, and then prplhz thinks the first person was Curu, when it was Caller. Based on the name at the top of the post, and the content of the post, it's pretty hard to mistake what Caller wrote for being Curu. This looks pre-meditated. What gives? Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 08:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Why on earth would scum all make the same case on the same guy in the same time and not just defer it to one person? What a stupid thing to call out, it doesn't mean anything it's just a bandwagon. Mr.Wiggles do you really find it that suspicious? Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 08:47 Mr. Wiggles wrote:On March 12 2012 08:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Why on earth would scum all make the same case on the same guy in the same time and not just defer it to one person? What a stupid thing to call out, it doesn't mean anything it's just a bandwagon. Mr.Wiggles do you really find it that suspicious? I read it as prplhz knowing that Curu was going to post something on Jackal, so he just called it out without actually reading the post. Caller could or could not be a part of it. It just looks weird to me. On March 12 2012 08:33 prplhz wrote:
Caller had written short derpy posts so far and then I just saw a big post with Jackal58 in red and I expected a lot more from Curu. I'm never very confident in anything I do, probably just a character trait, so I got giddy when I saw somebody else agree with me and I didn't read his name properly.
I just thought what you thought too by the way, but think it over. Ok, so if you read the post, how could you think it was Curu? The whole thing was pretty much about how Jackal's been responding to Caller, and how Caller was making a crappy case for DrH's lynch. There's even parts in it about how you posted about Caller. The whole thing was written in the first person, too. Like I said, it looks weird. So now, it looks like you're trying to set up a possible lynch on me, by saying that I've been posting only about mechanics and town strategy, and calling that post a forced and illogical attempt at scum-hunting. However, it was actually yourself who attributed my post to calling them scum. Funny, isn't it? Hey, look! While I was writing, you did it again: Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 05:43 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Player A: He made a reading error! He's scum!
JubJub: That makes so much sense....we better lynch him. Only scum would mess up their posts because they have the advantage of coordinating with a team that tells them what and when to post! I'm assuming that I'm player A, but again, look at how DrH is trying to misrepresent me as calling prplhz and Curu scum, when I didn't write anything of the sort. How long was it going to be before you tried to make a push for my lynch? Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 05:51 Kurumi wrote:
My Rattata and I need friends.
I am voting for the person who put the least effort into voting Jackal and this is Node. It's D1 and I don't want to lose him. We can verify his claim at any time.
Also
Jackal's Town: He gets roleblocked. Mafia loses 0.5KP every Night.
Jackal's Scum: Thanks to basic math we might work out that he is lying about roleblocks.
I don't think that will work. Jackal will claim roleblocked every night, and we won't be able to tell, because scum can use a cover, and if Jackal claims RB, we wouldn't know the difference. Also, just to point it out now, the OP implies that the mafia are in possession of KP roles. Each member of the mafia contributes .5 KP, and there's 4 mafia. That's 2 KP to start. The cover ability costs 2.0 KP. That means, that mafia are not naturally able to use the cover ability in conjunction with a kill unless they recruit the traitor without losing any members, which seems unlikely. That implies to me, that the mafia are likely to have some sort of vigilante role, so that they actually have the option of using the cover to hide a kill in the game.
If I attempt to shoot a townie I die. Period. That's how my role PM is written. It states no matter how my shot is blocked I die.
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On March 13 2012 06:09 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 06:06 Jackal58 wrote:On March 13 2012 05:42 prplhz wrote:
I see no particular reason to believe or disbelieve Jackal58's claim, it hasn't changed how I think that he's scum.
I'd really like to be around for deadline but I'm going to bed soon. I expect Jackal58 to be dead tomorrow.
@Curu There's probably a role blocker since that's the most common scum role around, and all other common bases are covered with they funky KP powers. Perfect solution I shoot you. If you're town I die. If you're scum you die. If we both live lynch me and you're guaranteed scum. Win win. By posting this, you introduce another possibility: prplhz is town, you shoot, scum block you, lynch you and if you're town, lynch prplhz and he's town. But you know, it's like whatevs.
Wouldn't break my heart.
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On March 13 2012 07:15 Curu wrote:I'm looking at Werewolves and Jackal was a power role there about to be lynched. He did not claim his role at all even when right before lynch to save himself. He was highly, highly active leading up to his lynch, impossibly aggressive and pushing hard to make sure Town knew what he thought and who to lynch after he died. Look at his activity: Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 08:14 Jackal58 wrote:On August 18 2011 08:05 Nisani201 wrote:On August 18 2011 07:37 Jackal58 wrote:On August 18 2011 04:09 Nisani201 wrote:On August 18 2011 03:57 Jackal58 wrote:On August 18 2011 03:48 Nisani201 wrote:On August 18 2011 03:44 Curu wrote:I can't when it's from my sent folder. Original Message From Nisani201:
DropBear is supposedly healing me tonight. So if I die, he was lying. This is the PM Nisani sent me. I had done nothing at that point to warrant anyone claiming any power roles to me (this was before GreyMist flipped). I am not stupid enough not to realize this was obviously fishing to see if I was scum and would hit DropBear. Analyze my posts if you think I'm scum, but don't insult me with the assumption that I'm a herpderp retard and would hit someone when it was clear Nisani was fishing it from me. That wasn't meant to be fishing, and I don't think that you're scum. Jackal is the one whom I think is scum. I sent it to you because I thought you were trustworthy enough (based on this) to take down DropBear if I died (remember that at this point I didn't 100% trust DropBear). It doesn't matter why you sent the name of our medic to anybody on day 1. It was moronic. If anybody else PMs you they're acting like morons too. If I was scum you'd be dead right now. But you're not dead because you're scum. I know this because you forgot to claim being role blocked. If you are DT you were either killed or role blocked last night. Neither happened. What happened? Our medic died. Ya the same one that claimed to you. You're scum bro. Don't you understand? Scum killed DropBear BECAUSE either you or someone not in the scumteam would use it against me. Killing me via lynch is a chain in their combo streak, whereas killing me last night might not have worked in case there were more medics/protectors on me. What did you get back on your DropBear check? I know it's a redundant question but answer it anyways. DropBear returned Townie. On August 18 2011 07:49 Forumite wrote:
Impressive on the scumhit, that doesn´t happen very often on the first day. As for the deaths, the wording suggests that it was two scumkills and one vigihit. If a normal game has 40 players, 8 scum and 4 scumKP, then we can assume we have 4 scum (now 3) with 2 scumKP in this game with 21 players. Too bad about Navillus. There are no vigilantes. Bullshit you lying scum. You claimed DT at least 20 hours before the flip. And you are going to try to tell us you weren't role blocked or killed? Bullshit. You are scum. Lying scum. Show nested quote +On August 18 2011 08:29 Jackal58 wrote:
Sevryn is scum too. He was fishing for what kind of answer I wanted from Nisani.
To: Sevryn [ Profile | Buddy | Report ]
Subject: Re: your question of nisan
Date: 8/18/11 07:45
We'll see how he answers.
Original Message From Sevryn:
if he doesn't respond regular forumer hes scum. Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 08:36 Jackal58 wrote:On August 19 2011 08:19 DroneAllDay wrote:
Yeah from what I've seen I personally believe that whether or not the rival thing is true I don't care but I'm gonna attribute the whole pm thing to Trotske being a newbie for the time being but I'm putting him on my radar. But it does seem that Jackal is hiding something and overall I still do not trust Forumite. What am I hiding? Why the fuck would I hide anything. If DropBear thought I was scummy do you really think he would include it in PMs to me? Is there any thing any where in the PMs where roles are discussed? Either his or mine? Or traits? Or anything like that? No. Because we never discussed roles or traits. He asked me if I was a rival with ON because of my first post in the game. That was the extent of it. The person the he claimed to is Nisani. Not me. Nisani makes a scum slip day 1. Then claims DT. Then claims DB told him he was medic. Then claims he checked a dead guy. Are you guys so fucking stupid that you're going to buy this shit??????? If Nisani is a DT I'm fucking Mother Theresa. Show nested quote +On August 20 2011 00:15 Jackal58 wrote:
So who you guys gonna lynch after I flip town? Who ever Nisani tells you to?
And I have no idea if the dead medic thinks I'm scum or not. We have scum telling us what the dead guy said. Same sort of thing in LOTR Mafia where he went ballistic when people were trying to lynch him. His behavior this game is more like how he acted in Pick Their Power 2 (as scum) when pressured for lynch, posted a few things, tried to point the lynch at someone else but generally just disappeared and laid low (like now).
And you're the jub jub that lead my lynch.
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On March 13 2012 06:51 Curu wrote:
I am looking at it this way:
If Jackal is Town and we leave him alive he basically has to shoot. And the probability is very high that he hits a Townie. So in this case we have dead Town Jackal, dead Town someone else, and a dead lynch target. No one to me looks obvious scum enough to warrant switching the lynch like this.
If Jackal is Town and we lynch him then we've lynched a Townie day 1. We end up with a net of dead Town Jackal and lose a substitute dead lynch target.
If Jackal is scum then yay.
I don't feel like there is another candidate I want to lynch bad enough to take the tradeoff of high probability 2 Townie deaths vs low probability scum hit in the event that Jackal is Town.
Yeah you guys go on about "omg we killed a blue" but look at what the blue does. IMO in this scenario mislynching a blue suicidal Vig is better for Town than mislynching a Vanilla Townie.
Look at it this way - I'm not shooting anybody unless I know they are scum.
I've got a pretty fair track record of killing scum when I have kp. I also have a pretty good track record of soaking up scum kp early.
Ya I also like to kill people that piss me off.
I got my wish. I'm betting prpz didn't get bullet proof.
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On March 13 2012 07:54 Curu wrote:
lol at what point did Jackal ever indicate he was going to shoot me? He'd been going on about Caller and prplhz and his vote is on Caller.
You said the meta analysis was legit and now you're trying to claim that because the case is based on meta it's bad? What a fucking joke.
^^^^^^^^^^
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On March 13 2012 07:54 Curu wrote:
lol at what point did Jackal ever indicate he was going to shoot me? He'd been going on about Caller and prplhz and his vote is on Caller.
You said the meta analysis was legit and now you're trying to claim that because the case is based on meta it's bad? What a fucking joke.
I love day 1 meta. And sorry to burst your bubble but I was the one that pushed for Palmar and got him hung as scum. Not you.
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Go ahead and lynch me. Don't really care at this point. I gotta go out for the night and won't be back.
And yes Curu I was in that game. I died night one.
And I assumed wrongly that people would stop listening to you after you sold me out to the scum team in Werewolves and got me lynched. As a townie.
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On March 13 2012 11:36 Curu wrote:
The best Town player to have received the Dreamflower role, Mig, decided not to use the role at all because it was a role that had much more potential to harm Town than do good for Town.
I would argue that the Suicidal Vig role would be best played as just a Vanilla Townie since the costs outweigh the benefits but we can't exactly have that with Jackal now can we? He's only off the hook with many people because of his confirmable role claim. If he is Town then he has to use a role that's detrimental to Town to prove it, if he is Mafia then we've wasted a day and inevitably face this same discussion next cycle.
There's no other even close to realistic option at this point. It looks like we are headed squarely for a no lynch.
How about I shoot you in the dick?
Not like I could miss...................
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On March 13 2012 11:48 Curu wrote:
Yeah that's true Jackal, my dick is pretty huge.
The activity level in this game is pretty pathetic. Probably the worst I've ever played in. It's not even that we no lynched because people found other cases/other reads, we no lynched because only about 5 players in this game actually give a shit.
Do me a favour and shoot me if you're really Dreamflower Jackal. We can ride off into the sunset together.
Problem is you're giving a shit about the wrong person.
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Oh look. Team scum arrived.
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You guys are hilarious.
I'm gonna shoot prplhz just so I can be as funny as you guys are.
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Why don't you role claim to all of us Palmar. Don't even need to use a PM.
EFFICIENCY FTMFW!!!!!!!!
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On March 14 2012 04:10 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 04:09 Jackal58 wrote:
Why don't you role claim to all of us Palmar. Don't even need to use a PM.
EFFICIENCY FTMFW!!!!!!!!
If you think I believe anything Pandain said you're high.
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On March 14 2012 07:00 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
VE, Palmar says you two talked for a while in PMs. What did you end up talking about?
Breadsticks as dildos.
It's much more fun to make it up if they don't want to tell us.
I'll be gone for most of the evening. I have not shot anybody at this point in time. I may not shoot anybody at all tonight. But I wont be sober when I return home so ya that ideas probably gonna get a great big fucking override by drunk Jackal.
That guys an asshole.
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On March 14 2012 07:06 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 07:00 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
VE, Palmar says you two talked for a while in PMs. What did you end up talking about? Mostly arguing about whether or not I should roleclaim to him. I asked him a few questions designed to help me determine his alignment, but those all flopped because he refused to read the thread at the time...something about being at work and hating effort.
No effort as in scummy Palmar?
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On March 14 2012 07:28 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 07:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
The best thing for Jackal to do is not shoot at all I thought the best thing for Jackal58 to do was to kill a scum.
It is.
If I shoot drunk Jackal will be pulling the trigger. 
I'd rather not shoot but if you continue to insist........................
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Oh and if it goes that way and we don't both die Prpz I have no problem being lynched. A 1 for 1 trade is worth it. Always.
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I'm leaving. Careful what ya wish for. You might just get it.
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On March 14 2012 09:49 deconduo wrote:
Sorry I haven't been around the last couple of days, real life hit unexpectedly. I'm playing catch up now though.
Jackal hasn't called me out on my massive amount of lurking. This alone to me indicates that he's probably scum. In any game where he's town he's the first person to call me out on absolutely anything.
Three people 'independantly' coming up with a case against him is shady as fuck, I guarantee at least two of Caller, prpl and Curu are PMing each other.
There was a handful of people pushing LAL at the start of the game, yet none of them have suggested lynching Caller after his Dr. H ploy. Why? If you follow LAL to the letter of the law, you should be pushing for Caller's lynch.
I've liked what I've seen from VE so far this game. Scum should definitely be scared of him. However don't assume he's town just because he's come off of a big win in Storm.
Where is Bill Murray? He almost has less posts than me and I've been around for about five minutes total.
More stuff coming up as I read through the thread.
Actually I have. It just hasn't been in the game thread.
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