Mr. Wiggles Mini Mafia II - Page 3

As I've stated before, I'm always willing to change my views in light new evidence. Up until day 3, I'll admit, I had quite a bias against Paper, and I was actively looking for flaws in his play. However, I have seen absolutely no reason to disbelieve his vig claim.

The vig claim:
Paper takes particular interest in the vigilante claim. So much so that it caused me to think he was fishing for a blue role. Makes sense when he claims vig that he was probably trying to call rg out on his bluff.

Also, he makes it quite clear from the beginning that he expects a lot out of Jackal.


On Sandroba:
This quote was brought up as "damning" by both Pandain and Probulous:

However, there are 14 players and up until that point, everyone had been assuming there were at least 2 KP: 1 from mafia and one from SK. Ask yourself if you really expected only a single kill. It makes sense that Sandroba was hit by an SK! He turned out to be mafia and I've been informed that SK goes after mafia first.

Now, what about the KP on night 2? What's the missing link? Well, do you think it's so unreasonable that mafia and SK would both want to get rid of a town-sided Palmar? Sure, SK doesn't know Palmar's town, but they know he's not on their team. Who else were they going to kill? There is no reason to try and convince ourselves otherwise if it is the simplest explanation; therefore, we can't assume that they didn't double stack. If we do this, we are allowing ourselves to believe there is one less killer than there could potentially be, and that would probably not be good.

My accusation:
Paper's first reaction to my accusation is very town. While scum would be happy to lurk and not have people actively playing the game, he was happy that people were attempting analysis.

His answers to my accusations were all very towny. He understood that i actually believed he was scum and he tried to clear things up for me, quite patiently. He did not try to misdirect my claims, he did not try to discredit me. Even so, it was clear he was getting exasperated with me. Quite understandably.

Conclusion: Paperscraps is our town vigilante. While his shot on Jackal, in hindsight, could have cost us one of our best Day 3 analysts, he had good reasoning in his own mind to take it.

This will be a short section.

His first (only) useful post that came when he was not under attack was an analysis of a person I am convinced is town (Paperscraps).

He never explained his reasoning for thinking Pandain was scummy.



He claimed rgTS was third party, but also most likely to flip scum.


His reaction to Misder's flip was... unbelievable?


His response to taking pressure was to roll over and die.


I could go on... just read his filter.
He finally shows up when he has 3 votes on him and is likely to be lynched. And even then it's to provide more excuses.


As I've stated before, based on this one game, I would happily lynch Bluelightz day 1 any other game if he turns out to be town. He has provided NOTHING of use. He has actively contributed to the thread to make it look like he is not lurking with fluff "I'm going to bed" posts.

His redemption: Not voting for Adam when Adam was up for lynch. I don’t think that cuts it. Why? Because I don’t think Bluelightz cares who gets lynched, he’s probably an SK.

Everyone else seems to agree on this at this point. I agree .

There have been some really scummy things.

First of all, he bandwagoned on the Sandroba vote after a pitiful attempt to save him. Makes a slip in calling Sandroba “scum” twice as opposed to the SK he thought he was. I don’t actually know if that’s a slip. Do we refer to all anti-town as scum, or just mafia?





Then, during the night of Night 2, he has 7 out of 8 posts that are just fluff.


I think the most damning thing about Pandain’s play though, was on Day 3.

First, he votes Paperscraps immediately after his blue claim without any logic put behind it at all. His only mention of Paperscraps before this was much earlier in the game when he claimed that he was town, basically for WIFOM reasons (can’t be mafia because they wouldn’t push the same person over and over, can’t be SK because they wouldn’t be that active).
Then, without defending his reasoning, he disappears for nearly 2 full days, only to show up 6 hours before the deadline.

At that point, he dismisses all the evidence that people have provided against Paper and makes a big fluff post with 2 pointless lists and an excuse for being gone for 24 hours that just DOES NOT match up with his post.

Look at what he claims:

Does that make sense given that this is what follows:

No. It is completely incongruent.

After Toast calls him out on this post, he shows up over 2 hours later with his justifications which boil down to calling out Paperscraps on a bunch of things he himself is guilty of.

Conclusion: Scum.

Oh this is great, I wrote this up about 7 hours before the lynch but he keeps talking.

There’s no way you can be certain if you don’t have all the facts! This is so scum. Town would admit that there is a gap in their knowledge but Pandain refuses to admit when he could be wrong.

Everyone else seems to agree on this at this point. I agree .

Really tough to get a read on this guy. When he does post, I feel he explains his actions very well. Unfortunately, he doesn’t post a lot. His excuses have been a laptop dying and a mild concussion. I don’t think there’s enough evidence either way as to whether he is scum or town.

He says that hopefully once he gets home he’ll be able to contribute. That’d be nice.

Really doesn’t have a lot of substance posts this game. Has proven in the past that he’s not afraid to bus a scum buddy night 1, bussing Sandroba would probably be just as easy if not easier on night 2 so I can’t see how that could be evidence for him being town. See decon vs. Annul in TL Mafia 37:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=191888&currentpage=25#490
Hops on Adam’s bandwagon after reiterating points that have already been made, but what else was there to say about Adam at that point? Doesn’t really say whether he’s mafia or not.

Conclusion: I’m leaning scum on him. There just hasn’t been much substance, but he has been trying to make himself look active.

I’d be happy lynching Pandain today. I think Bluelightz is a possible SK candidate given that pretty much everyone has tried to lynch him at one point or another but he’s still around not contributing. When Pandain flips red, until further evidence is provided, I would be happy with either a deconduo or AKCT lynch, preference being given to lynching deconduo.

A very special thank you to Probulous Whether you’re town or scum, you still think I'm semi competent and helped me get my points through unblocked. Thanks man.