EPTI've been on the whole scumteam since D1. Can YOU say the same? Sir?
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I've been on the whole scumteam since D1. Can YOU say the same? Sir? | ||
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Cwave
Netherlands313 Posts
On March 13 2012 05:41 VisceraEyes wrote: He's saying if he were third party Cwave - it wouldn't be worth the risk as third party to fake the checks. What I'm saying is that I think he's full of shit and that his game is up. Tomorrow. If you RB him, we can lynch him tomorrow. If you don't, you die because he can't target me even if you don't block him - so you're the target tonight whether it's him or me if it's not you. If you're town, and you want to win this game, blocking Kitaman is the only way we can win. Actually, it's already too late if you haven't...actions were due like 40 minutes ago.  23 hours. 1 hour just now. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Kita, you're despicable. The depth of your depravity depresses me deeply. Did you claim to Bugs? Is that why BC seemed so sure you were 3rd? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On March 13 2012 05:59 VisceraEyes wrote: I got them lynched Kita ME. You deserve a gold star. I'm a hider. PYP:I Explnation Hider You are scared of being shot so you hide behind other players at night. If as a townie you hide behind a mafia you automatically die and any vigilante hit on you is refunded. If you do not hide behind a mafia and you are hit you live. I hid behind cwave last night. If he's shot, then we're both dead, but if not then we might have a chance for the lynch. Depressing that we managed to pull of four straight scum lynches and still needed to pull off a couple rounds of protection to have a chance at winning. I didn't claim my full role earlier since it wasn't necessary providing the additional information to the scum team. I kinda slipped that I could hide before the day post without thinking, but apparently nobody caught on. On March 04 2012 07:01 kitaman27 wrote: I also didn't hide last night if the scum team somehow tries to use that as a reason for my death. On March 13 2012 06:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Kita, you're despicable. The depth of your depravity depresses me deeply. You're use of alliteration is giving me weird serial killer vibes. On March 13 2012 06:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Did you claim to Bugs? Is that why BC seemed so sure you were 3rd? lol. BC seemed so sure I was 3rd party because he wants town to lose. He's scum afterall :p Hope I'm still alive | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
There is only war! ![[image loading]](http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/hiroshima_08_05/h19_35.jpg) As the storm finally receded around Liquidia, the surrounding world finally came into contact with the town again, witnessing the devastation left behind from the freak natural disaster. The destruction was complete and utter, not a single person was found living, the corpses torn and beaten. Officially the town had been completely destroyed in the storm, claiming the life of every inhabitant. That's the story given to the media, and thus the world. Liquidia remained as inaccessible to the general public as it had been during the storm, but this time by the military. That's how it will remain. For it wasn't the storm that killed them... Cwave the Roleblocker has been killed! Kitaman27 the Coward was the last one to fall Blood for the Blood God Skulls for the Skull Throne ![[image loading]](http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/17166/937064-bloodthirster.jpg) VisceraEyes the Khorne Bloodthirster has left the town completely devastated. I want to thank everyone for playing Storm Mafia. It has been a very pleasant experience. I am more than willing to listen to reasonable arguments about the setup from both perspectives in the post-game, as well as the mechanics that were unique to the game. I will give you a short list of notes in the next post. Link to Actions and Roles ![[image loading]](http://www.palmar.org/img/storm3.jpg) | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
Short summary 1. The redFF lynch was pretty bad all around, the only reason he barely got lynched is the fact that mafia all ganged up on him with the help a few complacent townies. Syllo and VisceraEyes both identified BC right on day 1, but it is often quite hard to lynch someone like that early. That's no excuse for not recognizing the difference between the genuine frustration and desparation by redFF. 2. VisceraEyes did in THIS post point out 3/4 scum members back on day one. This, along with the post where he threatened to shoot the fourth mafia (lol) here, led to VE basically being autoblocked by scum for a while. This turned out to be a good thing though, and led to a decisive victory by him. 3. The decision to Jan redFF was a weird one, but given how many townies failed to realize what was going on it may have worked in scum's favor. I did not understand why they hid that flip. Syllo put it best in this post. Clicky! I sometimes wish people would more often go back and read the shit said by flipped and known to be solid townies. 4. Bugs and Syllo were in a QT during day 2. Mafia had attempted to shoot Kita, but he survived due to hiding. However, syllo also gave Kita a healing potion which Kita discarded. Bugs won the trust of syllo, but this ended up shooting mafia in the foot because syllo claimed and said he gave the pot to kita. This obviously meant that the scum assumed kita had survived because of the pot, and tried to poison him (and missed) the next night. Normally when a townie doesn't die, you either go for someone else, or you roleblock and shoot him the next night (assuming a veteran), however, syllo gave bugs the healing potion on night 2, so scum knew the medic wasn't going to be on kita "again". 5. It is still amazing how easily mafia can just take out key players, and there are no repercussions. It's so weird how no one went truly back and re-read syllo's posts once he flipped town. The prplhz lynch was just... seriously wtf. First, it's obviously incredibly dumb to rely on someone getting modkilled in a game with no activity requirements. While I don't condone the tactics, it's perfectly valid and I'm to be fair more pissed at the townies who actually believed that gamble. The problem for scum was that they went way too far in with that play. 6. Scum in a 12v4 game with 2kp (vanilla) need 4 mislynches to win. The same thing came up this game, and sadly for them, they were unable to ever pull out a fourth mislynch. In hindsight I wonder if it had worked better for them if layabout or BC had aligned themselves against the scum faction, or if they should've just outright bussed RoL who was on the chopping block for a long time. It's hard to say what would've worked, but they needed that 4th mislynch to secure their win, and they never managed to pick it up. 7. The replacements had a very hard time getting into the game and both ended up being fairly detrimental to their faction. Cwave's roleblocks were very wild, and Kurumi shat up the thread with speculation about things like redFF's alignment. It's very hard replacing into games, especially in the later days, so I guess there's not much to do about it really. 8. Kita's claim was very interesting, he flat out lied about having an innocent check on Toad at some point, and he just said whatever he felt like. After a rocky start he was the one hope for town to rally and bring it down, but he failed to convince Cwave in the late-game, at which point his wild claim came back to haunt him, as Cwave was unwilling to think outside the box and stuck to the basics, something I can very much relate to (see closed casket mafia when I was a noob). 9. Just a short note, on day 4 the game could've ended. Scum roleblocked VE for the third night in a row, but had they randomly decided not to, VE would've shot Cwave and killed Kita in the process, and then if Dirk bombed DrH, it'd have ended in a 4v4 scenario with a scum victory. 10. Another note, Kitaman27 had a hidden mechanic where if he hides behind the SK (Bloodthirster) he is recruited and they become a faction. Kita becomes vanilla, but shares a win condition with the SK. So if Kita had randomly decided to hide behind VE on the last day, they would've shared the win. | ||
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Cwave
Netherlands313 Posts
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Jitsu
United States929 Posts
I was convinced Kita was the 3rd Party. GG VE. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
I mean uh.... Yeah! HAHA! Take that town! whew | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On March 13 2012 07:04 Cwave wrote: Why why why why keep that information from me/thread when there a 3 people left. -.- Because I figured you would trust the information role over the bulletproof role. It wasn't clear that a kill point could be role blocked (generally they can't) and hiding could have been the only way to secure the win. Oh well. Grats VE. Well played.  Thanks for hosting Palmar/Sandroba! | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On March 13 2012 07:05 Jitsu wrote: whatttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt I was convinced Kita was the 3rd Party. GG VE. Something I brought up a bunch of times was the question, what would be my win condition if I was 3rd Party? Was there a particular reason that made you think this? I figured the fact that I had alignment checks on 3 players was more than enough to prove I wasn't a serial killer. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Probably because I liked him having the same conclusion that VE looks bad I had but the moment DocH died RoL obviously was the target to go. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On March 13 2012 07:17 Toadesstern wrote: Also I said WBG + RoL + BC + VE are mafia something like d2 or d3. Given that VE flipped mafia I'm happy with that although I seriously thought Laya to be town for the most time :p Probably because I liked him having the same conclusion that VE looks bad I had but the moment DocH died RoL obviously was the target to go. EBWOP *flipped 3rd party. I'm allowed to edit now, right? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
GJ on the win VE. I wish I had a bit more time to think during this game. I will probably be policy bussing RoL if he's ever on a scumteam with me again lololol Also I noticed on the night syllo gave me the pot, if I drank it we could've RBed someone other than VE. I knew it was a healing pot but I forgot to send my action in (my team also told me not to take the risk) If we got town to kill VE instead of prpl we would've had a much better chance at winning after day 3. Last thing I want to mention is that I think this setup had too many blues. It essentially had two town investigative roles: tracker, and hider. Some of the roles didn't seem roleblockable (for example, is alchemist roleblockable?) The existence of the town RB meant that town could stop KP in three different ways: hider drawing hits, alchemist giving potions, and RBer targeting poisoner/killer. Honestly if I were the RB I would've targeted RoL every night and it would have resulted in Jackal surviving. 9 blues and 4 greens...when have you seen a setup where the number of blues outnumbers both vanilla town and scum combined? Hell, blues made up half the playerbase. Yet, you guys still lost...lol. | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
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