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On February 22 2012 13:13 Mattchew wrote:
how have i not been constructive
can you be any more defensive? I didn't say MATTCHEW HAS NOT BEEN CONSTRUCTIVE, I said "LET'S get constructive".
What does that mean? it means we all calm the fuck down and work through this together. You know, when you say things like "hey sloosh remember when I said I was right. hey et remember when I was right", you realize you are inciting needless conflict right? You realize that Mafia isn't an individual game; you have to work with us to get lynches through. It's not a game of "here are my reads I am right other people are stupid yayyyy". Is what I am saying really so biting and out there that you feel the need to keep on responding to me with one-liners?
I am slowly starting to think you're full of shit. Because you're being needlessly disruptive. You sound sort of like TheToast, but with only the stubborn ass-holery, not the accountability/openness. I'm like 95% sure I want to lynch MG tomorrow now.
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sloosh dyou still feel that mattchew is scummy. Been flipping on like all of his opinions. Initially he said "gumshoe and MG are good lynches". Then he said "gumshoe and MG not good lynches, DYH is best lynch". Both of these switches he provided little to no reason.
Then he posts "the analysis post formerly known as GOD", and completely forgets every other opinion he had. Yet MG is now on his scumlist again. But furthest down the list. There's some fishy crap going on.
why do I want sloosh? Because he's the one of the few who I can count on to talk rationally. There are a few others I can rely on too, but I'm not going to out them openly so that Mafia can pick them off.
I'm going to do a full review of the game by tomorrow's deadline. This night is critical.
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i am not being overly defensive you are just posting lies about me... i have been constructive and an asshole (not excessive though just the biggest in this game)... the asshole part is so that my message is heard because somehow sloosh typing in all caps was more well received then my case.
also I am completely accountable for my reads and I stand by them, if they are not scum and we lose it will be my fault.
the difference between me and sloosh is when townies don't vote his way he calls them scum, i just call them stupid
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I am also more than happy to answer any questions about my reads... the only people that have been constructive with my posts are those i accused and those agreeing.
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OK EVERYONE CALM DOWN. I was just gonna check quickly and not post but this is ridicules To start id like to apoligize to hawk, im sorry this hasnt been fun for you, were all newbs here man, were learning how to play, the games get better as the skill gets higher, please dont take this as a reason to forsake the site, this is a good community, you just gotta work your way up a bit. Look, before anything were supposed to have fun. Matt you are enjoying yourself to much at the cost of other players enjoyment. Right now we lynch hawkins(sorry bud) he is our safest bet. We lynch the small fry before we come after the big game. The game will be more satisfying thar way. Everyone(matt especially) remember that the people playing this game are just that, people. They are not scum in rl. They are here to have fun and they have no control over what role they are, im sure everyone would rather play town thier first time, not everyone gets to.matt stop fighting ech please. Stop asking for responses, they will come. Tonight we take a hit, but let me make this 100 percent clear, tommorow we lynch hawk, hawk if you still want to play please adress my case against you. Good night all, and MITCH dont make me have to do another fluffy post like this again. Night night all. Gl but most of all hf ( :
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Matt your play is actively hurting town. You might not realise this but what you are doing is shitting the thread. We dont give a shit that you think that you are the best player here, and that you apparently consider your joke of a case to be 100% accurate. Several others have already pointed this out but you are being an ass , shitting on the town atmosphere and managing to offend quite a few players at the same time. I dont care what you think of yourself or your case but please stop for god's sake. Than again you are scum so just get modkilled already.
Onto your case. I know that you are at least wrong on one count 100% (myself) and I am doubtful that the rest of your goddammed case is accurate. Yes, Hawkins and Trackdoor dont look good now, but it has absolutely NOTHING to do with your case. You state that it is a case that "has a ton of substance" - I call bullshit on that. Your dumb case has TWO points. Yes, TWO. Not to mention they are WEAK. I have already explained that the links you speak of are retarded - They dont exsist. The reason why i switched from ET to dimmu I have said a thousand times - I felt dimmu was the best possible lynch in that case. You also cant just assume that we are all scum because we switched. If you say we were all scum, I wouldnt give a shit about the lynch and just dissapear and watch town derp to a no lynch. We were active during the deadline - trying actively to find a good lynch candidate. Do you really feel that all 4 of us are scum - without a doubt? Your case is balls and you know it.
Mattchew's case is horrible. For those that think that all 4 of his scumteam are scum, read through it again. Do you really think that it is strong? Do you really think that it holds any basis? The links between us are, I emphasise non-exsistant. This is also why I believe that Mattchew is scum - and his recent posts have been shitting on the town atmosphere. Do you really think a townie would do that? Dont you find Mitchy's sureness of DYH flipping green suspisious?
I repeat, Mattchew needs to hang tomorrow.
@ET - I do agree with you that there definately scum in the list. Not that I agree with that dumb case, but when you take a player who has been under heavy suspision, and two scummy lurkers, I dont see how you wont have scum inside.
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Ok, so I read again these last few pages to try and get the big picture.
Some posts did make sense about midnight. I had a soft town read on him until recently but I'm reevaluating now.
These are the posts I'm speaking of.
On February 21 2012 06:34 gumshoe wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 21 2012 05:34 MidnightGladius wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2012 05:27 Alderan wrote:On February 21 2012 05:19 MidnightGladius wrote:
Alderan, your analysis isn't paired with any actual conclusions, and I have to respectfully disagree with the idea that town players shouldn't be inclined to share their cases and suspicions. Are you still getting town reads from DYH? You certainly don't seem intent on providing a defense. Your last sentence implies that your current scum read is trackdoor, but could you confirm that that is indeed the case?
Mattchew, those switches came in the context of an impending deadline, when I didn't know how many people were active, and the consensus formed quickly of pure necessity. The way I play, and the way I think the rest of the town should play, is you only defend those that you think are town if they are getting lynched. You will never see me make a large post about why someone is town. Ever. It's bad play and only helps mafia. Whoops, I thought that you had posted a town-read on DYH earlier. In that case, why aren't you voicing any opinions on him? Also, stop avoiding the actual question. In your opinion, who should we lynch today? Trackdoor? Midnight who do you think we should lynch today? I wanted to wait for your opinion earlier before voting but you sorta vanished and I ended up voting on DYH because I reasoned his death would tell us a lot (god I'm a hypocrite. Another thing, I have a concern, if DYH flips town tonight, that'll mean that two of our solid posters accused you and then died.
Very good find, but we should note that it's not something from which you can defend yourself against even if you are town. It adds up though, it adds up.
Another post,
On February 22 2012 12:40 Janaan wrote:
EBWOP
I'm comparing the way that DYH responded to literally being hours away from certain lynching, and the way you (Midnight) are reacting to being days away from possible lynching. DYH poured everything he had into the town when he only had hours. You're giving up, even though you have days to convince us you're not scum. It's just making you look scummier to me.
Janaan is making some good points here. When scum is close to be exposed they stop even fake-contributing to the town. They either go batshit crazy or go afk. That's what both Midnight and Hawkins are doing atm.
So, anyway, our best bet is to push for our best scum read. Atm that's Hawkins. Let's take it from there.
Oh and another note. I don't know why you people going heavy on Mattchew. He's just doing his best to win, granted a bit too much on the phrasing he uses.
But focus on results please. If Hawkins flips scum tomorrow we will be back on track.
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Trackd0or also reads scum to me.
I had a town read on him during the first part of the day, as his posts were logical and were pro-town. However, this read quickly turned to a null one as his activity rapidly subsided. He seemed to be thought of as town by most, yet he didnt actively push any strong cases and has just been sheeping all game long. Recently what has been the nail in the coffin is the tone of his last post.
+ Show Spoiler +Ok, looking how things are going now, it looks that I'm going to be lynched the next day.
It's just sad I can say. What did I failed to do? Was my inactivity sometimes? Was because I couldn't get decent reads in some players? Was it because I pushed a mislynch? Or 2 now with DYH?
Don't get me wrong. I'm having a great time playing mafia with you guys. Whatever I do the right choices or not, It's just something that I'm enjoying right now. I'm trying to put a lot of effort playing, but it seems that all this effort is not worth, according to many players have commented about my reads and cases.
I admit the fact that I really didn't take a main or important role since the start. I was very afraid of committing any mistakes or speculations that could have ended up being dead by now. I left the more experienced players to take the lead of the discussion, while I slowly faded away in the mist of laborious analysis and replies from other cases. Sometimes, I read up the thread and I couldn't decide which stance to take, or which path to follow, without bashing my head to the walls wondering what repercussion would have on me. I tried to go in ET, but with his solid defense then I was not just convinced that he is town, but the fact that I'm practically being outplayed by nearly everyone else. This left a huge void of frustration inside me.
Then, I switched my vote quite fast in Dimmulok to prevent a no-lynch. Again, thinking myself it was the right decision to make. The next day, however, I was bombarded with cases regarding a coordinated bandwagon with other 3 players. Then, I was not just frustrated again, but now a huge light dazzled over me, painting me of color red. I defended myself. Still no ones really looks what was happening and take the case as done. Now, I'm on a path to being lynched, with people keeping an eye for every little thing and detail I do.
What really annoys me is how Mattchew threw the case, named a few people and just got the ball rolling. Just in 15 minutes he already convinced a couple of players of my supposed scummisness. A case with no substance and rushed at it's best is now changing the stance of the game. I still agree with some of his views in other players, but the way he presented the analysis was something I didn't expect to see in a mafia, comparing them with what I've seen.
Mattchew, now you can be saying ' ohhh how cute he is defending himself' or 'you just waited for MG to post something to show up' or something like that. Ok, what can I do? You've already have a quite amount of people following your reasoning and it seems that I'm unable to get out of this situation. Go on then.
No matter what happens, I will vote for Tkhawkins the next day. I disliked the way that he and this team pushed for a candidate of being scum. You just don't buddy someone that suspiciously. There's got to be something behind it (I know that steveling or Matt think that I'm bussing anyways). You couldn't pull out a card more nastier than this, could you? For those who want to learn about this claim, just look my filter. I'm tired that people don't want to look up my links going to the points I mentioned in some occasions.
So that's it, sorry If I failed you town. Sorry If I didn't contribute enough. Sorry If I couldn't build up my post to a high level that this game requires it. I still going to vote for someone, since this is not over yet.
Go ahead and say what you want. Or take this post as a desperation to defend myself and lynch a townie.
What happened to this trackdoor?
Zelbalde has only posted once, giving advice to us and apologizing. This was his biggest flaw last game. We know that you are a busy person zelblade, but posting just once is fine, instead of refilling your posts with more 'sorry' and making you either difficult to read or a scum candidate.
You have already stated that apologies wont help. You state that it makes someone difficult to read. So why are you doing it? Why are you apparently giving up on the game? If you are townie in this situation, shouldnt you try to convice others to not lynch you? Mattchew's case is bad and Im not going to vote you because of it, but your reactions towards this is scummy.
Note that this doesnt mean that Mattchew isnt scum, just that he probably has to throw at least 1 or 2 mafia inside.
I want a Mattchew lynch. I am fine towards a trackdoor if you guys are unwilling to lynch matt.
Rereading Hawkins filter now.
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Ok so i reread Hawkins' filter.
He seems to be geinuely busy which could be a reason for all the lurking he has done. This is understandable (for me at least) as I have been rather busy too and couldnt post as much as I liked.
What I dont like are the contents of his posts. The case from DYH is a pretty good one and it echoes my thoughts. His constant noncommital pushes on jannan is based off horrible logic. I did state earlier that I believed that he was just newb townie putting forth bad accusations, but now it seems suspisious as he constantly applies bad logic to several people, and I dont believe that his reads are that bad.
His burst of outrage is ..... I dont really know what to read from it. I dont think that a townie would be afraid of dying, but in his position I would be pretty annoyed if I was town and thought that I was about to be lynched due to a dumb case which people were somehow agreeing on. However, he could easily be scum and be pissed off at the fact that he got caught.
I believe that Hawkin's actions are scummy, but I dont know what to take from his sudden ragequit ._.
It does seem like he is going to get modkilled at this rate, so I guess that this doesnt really matter. On the off chance that he gets a replacement though, I wouldnt really want to lynch him right away but rather see what he does.
Lynch List (in order of prefence)
Mattchew
Trackd0or
TKHawkins
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Btw the hawkins on my lynch list applies only if he (Hawkins) decides to calm down and come back. As stated I rather not lynch a replacement coming in immediatedly.
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Chill folks, just because I haven't been around to stomp on assholery, doesn't mean its ok to be an asshole.
Capish?
EDIT: This isn't actually aimed at anyone in particular, just a statement on the rampant hostility over the last 4 pages or so. Seriously people, mafia is a game, not a life or death affair, chill and stop going at each others throats. I'm looking at the lot of you
EDIT2: Don't discuss behavioral modkills publicly, if you think a player is out of line PM me the offending post or posts, and I'll ook at it, but don't try to use the hosts to influence the game.
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On February 22 2012 17:47 zelblade wrote:
Matt your play is actively hurting town. You might not realise this but what you are doing is shitting the thread. We dont give a shit that you think that you are the best player here, and that you apparently consider your joke of a case to be 100% accurate. Several others have already pointed this out but you are being an ass , shitting on the town atmosphere and managing to offend quite a few players at the same time. I dont care what you think of yourself or your case but please stop for god's sake. Than again you are scum so just get modkilled already.
Onto your case. I know that you are at least wrong on one count 100% (myself) and I am doubtful that the rest of your goddammed case is accurate. Yes, Hawkins and Trackdoor dont look good now, but it has absolutely NOTHING to do with your case. You state that it is a case that "has a ton of substance" - I call bullshit on that. Your dumb case has TWO points. Yes, TWO. Not to mention they are WEAK. I have already explained that the links you speak of are retarded - They dont exsist. The reason why i switched from ET to dimmu I have said a thousand times - I felt dimmu was the best possible lynch in that case. You also cant just assume that we are all scum because we switched. If you say we were all scum, I wouldnt give a shit about the lynch and just dissapear and watch town derp to a no lynch. We were active during the deadline - trying actively to find a good lynch candidate. Do you really feel that all 4 of us are scum - without a doubt? Your case is balls and you know it.
Mattchew's case is horrible. For those that think that all 4 of his scumteam are scum, read through it again. Do you really think that it is strong? Do you really think that it holds any basis? The links between us are, I emphasise non-exsistant. This is also why I believe that Mattchew is scum - and his recent posts have been shitting on the town atmosphere. Do you really think a townie would do that? Dont you find Mitchy's sureness of DYH flipping green suspisious?
I repeat, Mattchew needs to hang tomorrow.
@ET - I do agree with you that there definately scum in the list. Not that I agree with that dumb case, but when you take a player who has been under heavy suspision, and two scummy lurkers, I dont see how you wont have scum inside.
so you think that by doing everything i did (ie. calling my case "retarded" and "balls", alongside aggressively cursing me out) you are now creating this good town atmosphere that you tried to speak of?
And no I don't think that I am better than anyone here, I just believe that my case and points are better then the ones previously brought up.
but don't overreact or anything zelblade.. you can totally edit this post later... oh wait
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GMarshal, you can stomp on my assholery any day....
Morning drunk from mardi gras...
Peace.
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On February 22 2012 22:12 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 17:47 zelblade wrote:
Matt your play is actively hurting town. You might not realise this but what you are doing is shitting the thread. We dont give a shit that you think that you are the best player here, and that you apparently consider your joke of a case to be 100% accurate. Several others have already pointed this out but you are being an ass , shitting on the town atmosphere and managing to offend quite a few players at the same time. I dont care what you think of yourself or your case but please stop for god's sake. Than again you are scum so just get modkilled already.
Onto your case. I know that you are at least wrong on one count 100% (myself) and I am doubtful that the rest of your goddammed case is accurate. Yes, Hawkins and Trackdoor dont look good now, but it has absolutely NOTHING to do with your case. You state that it is a case that "has a ton of substance" - I call bullshit on that. Your dumb case has TWO points. Yes, TWO. Not to mention they are WEAK. I have already explained that the links you speak of are retarded - They dont exsist. The reason why i switched from ET to dimmu I have said a thousand times - I felt dimmu was the best possible lynch in that case. You also cant just assume that we are all scum because we switched. If you say we were all scum, I wouldnt give a shit about the lynch and just dissapear and watch town derp to a no lynch. We were active during the deadline - trying actively to find a good lynch candidate. Do you really feel that all 4 of us are scum - without a doubt? Your case is balls and you know it.
Mattchew's case is horrible. For those that think that all 4 of his scumteam are scum, read through it again. Do you really think that it is strong? Do you really think that it holds any basis? The links between us are, I emphasise non-exsistant. This is also why I believe that Mattchew is scum - and his recent posts have been shitting on the town atmosphere. Do you really think a townie would do that? Dont you find Mitchy's sureness of DYH flipping green suspisious?
I repeat, Mattchew needs to hang tomorrow.
@ET - I do agree with you that there definately scum in the list. Not that I agree with that dumb case, but when you take a player who has been under heavy suspision, and two scummy lurkers, I dont see how you wont have scum inside.
so you think that by doing everything i did (ie. calling my case "retarded" and "balls", alongside aggressively cursing me out) you are now creating this good town atmosphere that you tried to speak of? And no I don't think that I am better than anyone here, I just believe that my case and points are better then the ones previously brought up. but don't overreact or anything zelblade.. you can totally edit this post later... oh wait
Maybe I did overreact a little, but I dont like your attitude. And no im not cursing you out, just pointing out that your assholerly (something that you have admitted to doing) is irritating. I'll try to cut down the insults but I still think your case is bad.
And I dont even get what that last setence means.
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On February 22 2012 22:26 zelblade wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 22:12 Mattchew wrote:On February 22 2012 17:47 zelblade wrote:
Matt your play is actively hurting town. You might not realise this but what you are doing is shitting the thread. We dont give a shit that you think that you are the best player here, and that you apparently consider your joke of a case to be 100% accurate. Several others have already pointed this out but you are being an ass , shitting on the town atmosphere and managing to offend quite a few players at the same time. I dont care what you think of yourself or your case but please stop for god's sake. Than again you are scum so just get modkilled already.
Onto your case. I know that you are at least wrong on one count 100% (myself) and I am doubtful that the rest of your goddammed case is accurate. Yes, Hawkins and Trackdoor dont look good now, but it has absolutely NOTHING to do with your case. You state that it is a case that "has a ton of substance" - I call bullshit on that. Your dumb case has TWO points. Yes, TWO. Not to mention they are WEAK. I have already explained that the links you speak of are retarded - They dont exsist. The reason why i switched from ET to dimmu I have said a thousand times - I felt dimmu was the best possible lynch in that case. You also cant just assume that we are all scum because we switched. If you say we were all scum, I wouldnt give a shit about the lynch and just dissapear and watch town derp to a no lynch. We were active during the deadline - trying actively to find a good lynch candidate. Do you really feel that all 4 of us are scum - without a doubt? Your case is balls and you know it.
Mattchew's case is horrible. For those that think that all 4 of his scumteam are scum, read through it again. Do you really think that it is strong? Do you really think that it holds any basis? The links between us are, I emphasise non-exsistant. This is also why I believe that Mattchew is scum - and his recent posts have been shitting on the town atmosphere. Do you really think a townie would do that? Dont you find Mitchy's sureness of DYH flipping green suspisious?
I repeat, Mattchew needs to hang tomorrow.
@ET - I do agree with you that there definately scum in the list. Not that I agree with that dumb case, but when you take a player who has been under heavy suspision, and two scummy lurkers, I dont see how you wont have scum inside.
so you think that by doing everything i did (ie. calling my case "retarded" and "balls", alongside aggressively cursing me out) you are now creating this good town atmosphere that you tried to speak of? And no I don't think that I am better than anyone here, I just believe that my case and points are better then the ones previously brought up. but don't overreact or anything zelblade.. you can totally edit this post later... oh wait Maybe I did overreact a little, but I dont like your attitude. And no im not cursing you out, just pointing out that your assholerly (something that you have admitted to doing) is irritating. I'll try to cut down the insults but I still think your case is bad. And I dont even get what that last setence means.
you wrote far and away the most aggressive and rage-blinded post in this game thus far, to supposedly calm down the most aggressive asshole in the thread... pot/kettle black
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I dont really want to get into an agurment with you about your attitude right now since it will probably just turn into a shitstorm. As such im not gonna continue this conversation with you.
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On February 22 2012 22:04 zelblade wrote:
Btw the hawkins on my lynch list applies only if he (Hawkins) decides to calm down and come back. As stated I rather not lynch a replacement coming in immediatedly.
Zell i dont want to hear any more lynch options out of you until you read my case on hawk.(Oh and on a side note if youd lynched manners replacement two days ago you wouldnt have such a headache right now) raging out of games is exactly what mafia do, also your points raised against tk are just the tip of the ice berg, please read my case and adress it point by point, right now we dont need "this guy seems sorta suspicius" we need hard cases, so far the only ones that stand are mine against hawk and ech's against mg which can use an update, steve's track case deserves hounareble mention but as i said track is not a threat whereas hawk most certainly is or at least has been and hes far more aggresive. Also to matt, calm down with the chainsaw, we focus on hawk right now, he is the only person I know 99 percent is mafia. I am willing to be lynched or whatever if hes not. Note if you defend hawk in passing without adressing my case convincingley i will assume suspicius activity. Also dyh's case on hawk while less detailed stands if you want a second opinion. I will be home soon so ill be more active today than last night. If someone has another lynch candidate I would like them to post ONE strong case. Anymore out of one person will be distracting at this stage in the game. ZELL I am not listening to another word you say until you adress my case, your in thier a bit by the way so theres your personal incentive.
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On February 23 2012 00:43 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 22:04 zelblade wrote:
Btw the hawkins on my lynch list applies only if he (Hawkins) decides to calm down and come back. As stated I rather not lynch a replacement coming in immediatedly. Zell i dont want to hear any more lynch options out of you until you read my case on hawk.(Oh and on a side note if youd lynched manners replacement two days ago you wouldnt have such a headache right now) raging out of games is exactly what mafia do, also your points raised against tk are just the tip of the ice berg, please read my case and adress it point by point, right now we dont need "this guy seems sorta suspicius" we need hard cases, so far the only ones that stand are mine against hawk and ech's against mg which can use an update, steve's track case deserves hounareble mention but as i said track is not a threat whereas hawk most certainly is or at least has been and hes far more aggresive. Also to matt, calm down with the chainsaw, we focus on hawk right now, he is the only person I know 99 percent is mafia. I am willing to be lynched or whatever if hes not. Note if you defend hawk in passing without adressing my case convincingley i will assume suspicius activity. Also dyh's case on hawk while less detailed stands if you want a second opinion. I will be home soon so ill be more active today than last night. If someone has another lynch candidate I would like them to post ONE strong case. Anymore out of one person will be distracting at this stage in the game. ZELL I am not listening to another word you say until you adress my case, your in thier a bit by the way so theres your personal incentive.
you seem to be tunneling a little bit, and you are coming off conceited saying things like "we focus on hawk right now, he is the only person I know 99 percent is mafia." and " if you defend hawk in passing without adressing my case convincingley i will assume suspicius activity. "
This is exactly what sloosh did, and that didn't work out too well
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Ok. I'm back and catching up with the thread as I have been busy IRL and will be till tomorrow.
Hopefully it won't stop me from responding and contributing.
My stance on Mattchew -
the difference between me and sloosh is when townies don't vote his way he calls them scum, i just call them stupid
He is probably correct. I went off the assumption that everyone has the same logic as me and if they didn't do what I would do they would be acting illogical hence mafia. I did not consider that people can be inexperienced.
I responded negatively to Mattchew because he didn't say why my case was bad and it looked to me that he was distracting my case.
I still don't like the basis of his case, that he did some filter pickings and chose 4 people who avoided each other.
However, I cannot argue with results - it has promoted discussion and the suspects are posting more content.
Objectively he is producing pro town content, even though it is through antagonistic means.
I have to say he is leaning town right now.
However, I am still waiting for his own reads. Enough content has been flying around and I want to see him to present a good case. The goal isn't content but using it to strengthen a case and lynch the strongest mafia suspect.
I'm also going to have to retract my read on Alderan. That was just OMGUS or paranoia, and I can see where he is getting his case on me (even though I strongly disagree with the logic he uses, but as I stated above I'm realizing that not using my kind of logic does not necessarily equate with scum).
Following post will address Mattchew's 4.
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On February 23 2012 01:06 slOosh wrote:Ok. I'm back and catching up with the thread as I have been busy IRL and will be till tomorrow. Hopefully it won't stop me from responding and contributing. My stance on Mattchew - Show nested quote +the difference between me and sloosh is when townies don't vote his way he calls them scum, i just call them stupid He is probably correct. I went off the assumption that everyone has the same logic as me and if they didn't do what I would do they would be acting illogical hence mafia. I did not consider that people can be inexperienced. I responded negatively to Mattchew because he didn't say why my case was bad and it looked to me that he was distracting my case. I still don't like the basis of his case, that he did some filter pickings and chose 4 people who avoided each other. However, I cannot argue with results - it has promoted discussion and the suspects are posting more content. Objectively he is producing pro town content, even though it is through antagonistic means. I have to say he is leaning town right now. However, I am still waiting for his own reads. Enough content has been flying around and I want to see him to present a good case. The goal isn't content but using it to strengthen a case and lynch the strongest mafia suspect. I'm also going to have to retract my read on Alderan. That was just OMGUS or paranoia, and I can see where he is getting his case on me (even though I strongly disagree with the logic he uses, but as I stated above I'm realizing that not using my kind of logic does not necessarily equate with scum). Following post will address Mattchew's 4.
this is by far and away the best post in the thread... sloosh = confirmed town in my eyes now ET please talk to him as much as you would like
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