Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia VII - Page 43

On February 23 2012 00:52 Mattchew wrote:


you seem to be tunneling a little bit, and you are coming off conceited saying things like "we focus on hawk right now, he is the only person I know 99 percent is mafia." and " if you defend hawk in passing without adressing my case convincingley i will assume suspicius activity. "

This is exactly what sloosh did, and that didn't work out too well

On February 19 2012 08:24 zelblade wrote:
slOosh and DYH attacking each other is .... interesting. The seeming lack of sloosh explaining his own views in indeed suspisious. He has posted a case on DYH - but only after being called out. The fact that it seems like an OMGUS doesnt exactly help either. However, his case on DYH is pretty good imo. I have no idea why DYH would want to advocate a no lynch this late. The way he phrases that post seems to give off the feel that he doesnt care much about the lynch. This feels really scummy and the fact that he isnt pushing any reads and is even fine with a no lynch - which he has stated against. Whats with the sudden change in attitude DYH? I think that DYH has a really good chance of flipping scum.

With that, I believe that DYH might be our best lynch for today. Although sl0osh seems somewhat suspisious, I believe that DYH is actually a better lynch due to his nonchalant attitude.

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On February 19 2012 23:27 zelblade wrote:
Now onto Sloosh and DoYouHas.

As I have stated, I find it extremely suspisious of DYH's actions leading up to the lynch. Though he has given his motivations for advocating the no lynch, I still find it a little wierd, especially regarding his attitude. If he was indeed being stubborn on sloosh as he says, I would have expected him to push harder with something more convincing than this:

Still, his responses against sloosh's case is good and seems valid. This doesnt clear him in my eyes though. Moving on to sloosh, I agree with DYH - he has been really hyprotical regarding DYH, and a good portion of what he accuses DYH of can apply to him as well. What I reallly am interested in would be sloosh's response to this. At this point though, I am fairly convinced that one of them is scum. Doubt that they are both scum, unless this is an elaborate bus which I highly doubt.

On February 19 2012 23:27 zelblade wrote:
Im posting my reads in case I die tonight. I would have prefered posting this closer towards the end of night, but am posting it now as I have school tomorrow and need to go sleep now, and will not be online from around now to about 5.00 KST (+8).

... (the quote above fits in here) ...

Another thing. I believe that all of you should post your reads tonight. If you dont believe in the value of posting your town reads (MG), just post your scum ones than. The reason for this is simple - we want to have as much information from you in case you are shot tonight.

On February 20 2012 12:08 MidnightGladius wrote:
I'm really not sure where to go from here. I have a solid read on Alderan as mafia, but if no one's even going to consider what I've been saying, then I'm going to stop wasting your time. Hopefully, my mislynch will be enough to convince you that you've been going about this the wrong way all along.

On February 20 2012 13:54 MidnightGladius wrote:


He has plenty of time to respond, but he has to know that there is pressure on him to respond, and quickly. Especially with our time zone problems, I'm not willing to let him effectively skip a whole day phase without offering any new reads.

On February 22 2012 12:09 MidnightGladius wrote:
Are you sure that you're even willing to be convinced at this point? I can see the writing on the wall, and I don't want to waste my breath when I could be doing something less frustrating and more productive instead.

On February 23 2012 01:59 slOosh wrote:
(I was going to post on all four but its taking longer than I thought so I don't think I have time to do it all, I'll post what I managed to do so far)

With some reevaluations my own reads and consideration of DYH's reads, Mattchew's reads overlap pretty well with mine.
I'll be looking to bring the case from speculation into substance.


Zelblade:
I don't like how his actions align with mafia agenda. It doesn't mean he is mafia, but I don't like it. His day 1 actions happen to be in best interest of mafia. Go for ET, prevent anything on MG, offer DYH as alternative, refocus people on DYH after night.
I say it again - it doesn't mean he is mafia, but it does mean he warrants suspicion. So let us look.

Observe here his stance on me and DYH

Supports my case but makes sure to let people know how he is suspicious of me. How can you support a case from someone who you think could be scum?? It doesn't matter how good the case is, if a mafia is proposing it you don't support it.

Now that DYH flipped town, he knows it can't be a bus. He is convinced that one of us is scum, but doesn't actually follow up on it. "Oh I think you could be scum but your case is pretty good so I'll support your lynch btw I still think you are scum. Oh the lynch was a townie. I'll ignore you now". I don't think anyone (even inexperienced players) would think / act like this.

Also, in the same quote:

Doesn't really make too much sense here. Only one person will die. His reason for posting is fear of death, and at the same moment tells other people to post just in case they die too. I don't understand why he thought he would die.

This again aligns with mafia agenda - get people to post scum lists to make better night kills and make most chaos.
(Will post maybe 1 more before I AWOL for IRL stuff until tomorrow evening in ~35 hours).

These are the remaining players. Remember there are 4 mafia in there. As much as you may want to believe otherwise.
Also remember that unless we have a doc or some type of blocking role, there will be 1 less town come voting time tomorrow meaning that of the 11 remaining scum will control 4 votes and town will control 7. This also means if we mis-lynch and we don't have a protecting role, it becomes 5 town to 4 scum the next day.


1. gumshoe
2. rgTheSchworz
3. Alderan
4. EchelonTee
5. Mattchew
6. Steveling
7. trackd00r
8. MidnightGladius
9. slOosh
10. Janaan
11. TKHawkins
12. zelblade

On February 23 2012 03:28 Mattchew wrote:
in a really really shitty wifom question do you think I will die tonight? gum and sloosh's answered prefered. I have a relatively big post I could make explaining my reads on everyone in the game but it would be kind of silly to post that if I were to survive

On February 23 2012 03:49 gumshoe wrote:


Matt the only way you'll die tonight is if you continue pissing off the mafia(and us to a certain extent) so much that they're just like fuck it and murder you. Jokes aside I know its a fun question to ask but lets not do the mafias job for them k? They'll lynch whoever they lynch, well pick up the pieces.

On February 23 2012 03:54 Mattchew wrote:


Yes but I want to know if I should post a "pre-death" post with thoughts and reads on everyone.

On February 23 2012 04:03 Mattchew wrote:
i have to go to class... wont be till after night

so i guess here it is

I want the WIFOM the fuck outta the somewhat off-chance of scum killing me tonight so that all it shows is that I am confirmed town and that my intentions with the "ruckus" i have stirred up were actually pro-town.

These are the remaining players. Remember there are 4 mafia in there. As much as you may want to believe otherwise.
Also remember that unless we have a doc or some type of blocking role, there will be 1 less town come voting time tomorrow meaning that of the 11 remaining scum will control 4 votes and town will control 7. This also means if we mis-lynch and we don't have a protecting role, it becomes 5 town to 4 scum the next day.


1. gumshoe
2. rgTheSchworz
3. Alderan
4. EchelonTee
5. Mattchew
6. Steveling
7. trackd00r
8. MidnightGladius
9. slOosh
10. Janaan
11. TKHawkins
12. zelblade

First and foremost IMO these players are confirmed town in my eyes. Listen to them in times of confusion.

Alderan - There is no way he would bus or bring to light that many scum with him also bringing up the first night's last hour switch. He puts a focus on a very scummy event and with no real cases anywhere to be found he brings up a lot of good discussion points with his posts
Sloosh - he tunneled DYH based on meta and his own case. He blindly stuck by this and I realize that I could have his latest posts have proven him a valuable asset to town. He also could die tonight. Remember to read nothing into it other than it confirms him as town and having the right intentions with his posts.

These are my town reads meaning that these players are most likely town but
Gumshoe - Personally I hate the length of your posts. You sometimes use 300 words to say 5. That being said you have been completely transparent this entire game, too much to be scum IMO.
EchelonTee - started off aggressive and pressuring. I like it. He posts don't have any hint of heavy scum-like over thinking to them (meaning scum tend to look at their posts over and over again to make sure they aren't scummy). He also was the first to vote MG and one of the first to point suspicion of Dimmu. Scum usually hops on bandwagons and doesn't usually start them especially early in the game at any level. There is the slightest bit of doubt from me which is why he isn't in the confirmed town list.
Steveling - Didn't vote Dimmu day 1 which is a bit WIFOM but also logically not scummy. He posts a pretty big case on gum and then another on tkhawk. He likes my case a lot which has kind of blinded me to reading him for real. I would value someone else's opinion on him more than my own, however for me he reads town.

My leaning town but if any of my scum reads are wrong pick.
Janaan - Seems extremely wishy washy but this is a newbie game. This could be him not being confident in his decisions but is someone to keep an eye on

My Scum Reads Click Me Click Me
I think that people are starting to see more of the light in this post. It isn't meant to be the holy grail but it has focused a lot of people to make more cases and produce more content. So far all it is done has re-affirmed my believes in these 4 being the scum team.

On February 23 2012 01:23 trackd00r wrote:
Ok. I woke up in a better mood now. More relaxed.

Sloosh, what do you think about our mislynch? You seemed to be so confident about lynching DYH. Do you have any thoughts regarding that? What about Alderan's case? Do you still support it after DYH flipped green?

I'm wondering what will happen to Hawk. Is he leaving? If that's the case, I'll wait for the replacement to post before I cast any votes.

On February 23 2012 04:20 gumshoe wrote:


Ok, I saw this exact same thing out of Zell, track I am this close to disregarding every single thing that comes out of your mouth, LOOK AT MY CASE ON HAWK, if you want to defend hawk in any way address it head on, don't skirt around it just because hawk said he's leaving, my case does not hinge on hawk leaving, though that is actually a pretty helpful piece of rage quit that suggests the accusations against him may have been too much for him to handle.

Also if hawk is not on the menu then how about zell? What do you think of him?

On February 23 2012 05:45 trackd00r wrote:



Uh, I think I didn't express myself correctly with that post

What I said is to wait if someone was going to replace him. If not, it would have been the removal of one player, since there are not any back up as I looked OP. In that case, it would be no point of voting for him

I will vote for him he is goes on. Here is why. I just don't feel like exhausting the case any further. At the rate we are going, he will be lynched next day.
But I insist that TK is probably being manipulated by his team mates by the way he is playing. This means that there has to be any kind of mastermind trying to direct his actions, like for example MidnightGladius. I've re-read DYH case on him and then looked at your defense to Matt, and I think things are making more sense now.

I'll post my thoughts about MG in a while.

As for zelblade, I can't get a good read of him. Checking his filter.

Even though, Mattchew reads town for me. My disapproval to his earlier posts was mostly because the way he presented the case and made it's presence. Now that I'm more calm, I actually see a very good guess he is making. Maybe perhaps there is more than a reason that TK is RQing.

I agree with his town reads, and I'm happy with the fact that he is constantly pushing his cases. If this continues, he can easily control the flow of the thread and can leave the mafia exposed.

On February 23 2012 05:45 trackd00r wrote:
But I insist that TK is probably being manipulated by his team mates by the way he is playing.

Maybe perhaps there is more than a reason that TK is RQing.