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SpiritClown

Italy35 Posts

February 13 2012 08:24 GMT

#161

On February 13 2012 17:01 Blazinghand wrote:

I'm gonna conserve you some time here and say ghost_403 is definitely scum if he can't figure out how to use some sort of chat program, irc, skype, something

Sorry but i don't understand this... if he is scum he would be in advantage coming into the IRC and chatting with town to know what they think... or not?

Sry everybody for not coming in the IRC, i tried twice and no one was chatting (and since I'm in europe and i have to sleep i can't connect at certain times

)

Lanaia

Canada1142 Posts

February 13 2012 08:28 GMT

#162

So, a couple things I don't like so far, all involving blazinghand.

On February 13 2012 14:00 Blazinghand wrote:
Oh uh if you're gonna be in like multiple channels, how do you stop someone from /whois ing you and like finding what other channels you're in? Can this be done with the webIRC client?

This kinda makes it feel like he's trying to make a scum channel. I mean, I don't see what you'd need to hide from everyone as town. Unless you're trying to make a PR circle, which I can't say I'd imagine would work well in this setup...

Also,

On February 13 2012 17:01 Blazinghand wrote:

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I'm gonna conserve you some time here and say ghost_403 is definitely scum if he can't figure out how to use some sort of chat program, irc, skype, something

How the hell would that make him scum?

Thus far, not liking mr blazinghand.

Blazinghand

United States25555 Posts

February 13 2012 08:44 GMT

#163

On February 13 2012 17:28 Lanaia wrote:
So, a couple things I don't like so far, all involving blazinghand.

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How the hell would that make him scum?

Thus far, not liking mr blazinghand.

ah yes you're right a scum player without access to a scum QT would totally come into the main thread to coordinate with his scumteammates you are a very smart person

Blazinghand

United States25555 Posts

February 13 2012 08:47 GMT

#164

On February 13 2012 17:44 Blazinghand wrote:

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ah yes you're right a scum player without access to a scum QT would totally come into the main thread to coordinate with his scumteammates you are a very smart person

EBWOP: on further speculation, it occurs to me that a scum guy would just talk in his QT with his fellow scum teammates there. HUH. HOW ABOUT THAT. Oh what's that blazinghand? maybe there would be some benefit to masking the name of the channel you're using to coordinate your group of analyzers from possible scums /whoising you in the #TLmafia channel? Oh, huh, never mind, disregard my previous post, it looks like blazinghand is a totally helpful town player and lanaia is talking out her ass

Lanaia

Canada1142 Posts

February 13 2012 08:47 GMT

#165

On February 13 2012 17:44 Blazinghand wrote:

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ah yes you're right a scum player without access to a scum QT would totally come into the main thread to coordinate with his scumteammates you are a very smart person

I can't tell what part you're replying to.
I don't know, just the way you phrased what you did really bothered me.
Sarcastic insult noted.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

February 13 2012 08:48 GMT

#166

meh, blazinghand is too cocky/dumb to be scum atm.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

February 13 2012 08:49 GMT

#167

I think we should murder sinani206. At worst nothing of value will have been lost.

Lanaia

Canada1142 Posts

February 13 2012 08:51 GMT

#168

Palmar, is there a reason you want sinani dead?

How do you feel about paperscraps thus far?

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

February 13 2012 08:53 GMT

#169

On February 13 2012 17:51 Lanaia wrote:
Palmar, is there a reason you want sinani dead?

How do you feel about paperscraps thus far?

Paperscraps came on IRC and talked to me. That's towny. sinani is being useless, not that he doesn't do that as town too. But he will come under suspicion at one point another in the game. Might as well vigi him now. It increases town's chance of winning even when he's town.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

February 13 2012 10:02 GMT

#170

I know Nisani already provided this, but I'm more awesome so here you go.

http://www.palmar.org/mafia

This includes all the logs from the #WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT channel, sorted by days.

In addition, there is a search function (I spent 5 minutes on this, so it's very raw) under the /search folder where you can punch in a playername (or anything... really) and it'll print every line from all the log files that includes whatever you put in. I haven't done anything to format it yet though. Might do it if there's little to do at work.

Ciryandor

United States3735 Posts

February 13 2012 10:19 GMT

#171

Please treat PMs as an extension of the thread, and be civil with talking to people. Personal insults without relevance to the game are frowned upon.

phagga

Switzerland2194 Posts

February 13 2012 11:27 GMT

#172

So the game started roughly 20 hours ago, and the following 2 people have not written anything so far:

- Hufy
- zeurg

Let's hope they get active soon.

My thoughts:

On February 13 2012 09:17 phagga wrote:
If Palmar was scum, he would know how big his pack is and therefore would also know how big the second pack is (as anyone would assume that they are the same size). That would explain why he knows there are 6.

On February 13 2012 09:51 prplhz wrote:
Stop discussing that. It doesn't say anything about Palmar's alignment.

This reaction is rather townish. If he was scum, he wouldn't mind if the town bickers about useless topics. Or he and Palmar are both in the same pack, which is unlikely.

About Grackaroni:

In IRC a "secret plan" is mentioned to him. He seems very eager to learn about it.

in IRC Grackaroni wrote:
20120212.log:[21:52:45] <Grackaroni> and no i am not scum
20120212.log:[21:53:10] <Grackaroni> plan is?
20120212.log:[21:53:39] <Grackaroni> secret scum plan?
20120212.log:[21:53:59] <Grackaroni> if its supposed to benefit town than why does it have to be a secret
20120212.log:[21:54:06] <Grackaroni> lol
20120212.log:[21:54:11] <Grackaroni> silly troll
20120212.log:[21:54:34] <Grackaroni> i guess that makes you town though
20120212.log:[21:54:35] <Grackaroni> apparently
20120212.log:[21:54:51] <Grackaroni> k
20120212.log:[21:55:05] <Grackaroni> cya
20120212.log:[21:55:24] <Grackaroni> layabout you still here?
20120212.log:[21:55:51] <Grackaroni> what
20120212.log:[21:56:18] <Grackaroni> do you actually have some sort of plan?
[...]
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120212.log:[23:02:58] <Grackaroni_> if this plan is too secret to tell me than he must have a good reason
[...]
/var/www/mafia/#WHOLETTHEDOGSOUT_20120213.log:[01:51:59] <Grackaroni_> I really haven't talked to him enough to find out. Layabout and him had some form of a plan, I would be interested in what it is.

Additionally, as it was mentioned on IRC, he is very defensive about being a townie:

in IRC Grackaroni wrote:
20120212.log:[23:11:10] <Grackaroni_> Btw make you're case in thread Palmar. maybe you will get your head out of your ass because you have no case.
20120212.log:[23:12:06] <Grackaroni_> afk
20120213.log:[01:21:59] <Grackaroni_> back
20120213.log:[01:24:24] <Grackaroni_> I would guess theres not 6 mafia just so they can allow the forum newbie in the game. Seems like a cool mechanic to leave out

20120213.log:[01:26:33] <Grackaroni_> Also Prplhz you're I'm likely to be town so assume I'm town makes 0 sense lol. Everyone has the same probability...
20120213.log:[01:28:29] <Grackaroni_> [19:02] "<derpladee> why do you say "if you're scum" when you know i'm town lol" wtf is this?
20120213.log:[01:30:42] <derpladee> how many mafia would you then guess that there is Grackaroni_?
20120213.log:[01:31:51] <Grackaroni_> well it has to be even so 2 per team maybe? with a GF and a forum newbie
20120213.log:[01:31:58] <Grackaroni_> I'm doing no different than anybody else
20120213.log:[01:31:59] <Grackaroni_> per team
20120213.log:[01:32:01] <Grackaroni_> guessing 3
20120213.log:[01:32:34] <Grackaroni_> yeah its luck based
20120213.log:[01:32:39] <Grackaroni_> could be 4 mafia on one team against 2
20120213.log:[01:33:05] <Grackaroni_> tbh
20120213.log:[01:33:13] <Grackaroni_> hes not doing much
20120213.log:[01:33:21] <Grackaroni_> he wont even explain his scum read on me he's just tunneling me
20120213.log:[01:34:27] <Grackaroni_> what sucks is that people like you agree with him based off his reputation
20120213.log:[01:35:05] <Grackaroni_> [19:04] <derpladee> "palmar busted grack and then prob left in a hurry" you already assume I'm scum without even being there when I first talked to him.
20120213.log:[01:35:12] <derpladee> Grackaroni_, when did i agree with him based on his reputation?
20120213.log:[01:37:01] <Grackaroni_> Palmar is a lazy scum player
20120213.log:[01:37:41] <Grackaroni_> who is overseer?
20120213.log:[01:37:42] <Grackaroni_> btw
20120213.log:[01:38:42] <Grackaroni_> its too early to tell
20120213.log:[01:39:10] <Grackaroni_> I think if he actually made a case on me I would be more inclined to believe he was town
20120213.log:[01:40:30] <Grackaroni_> and to be honest Palmar played a game where he didn't do anything recently and got lynched 1 and was town
20120213.log:[01:41:05] <Grackaroni_> I don't remember what game but he was a miller
20120213.log:[01:41:22] <Grackaroni_> ...
20120213.log:[01:41:22] <Grackaroni_> lol
20120213.log:[01:41:22] <Grackaroni_> Its false scumhunting
20120213.log:[01:41:22] <Grackaroni_> mattchew is scum
20120213.log:[01:43:19] <Grackaroni_> what Palmar has done so far
20120213.log:[01:43:35] <Grackaroni_> He has tunelled me and to a lesser extent prob without even providing a reason

Not a clear case, but suspicious. I'd suspect a townie to be more relaxed about both topics.

ghost_403

United States1825 Posts

February 13 2012 11:53 GMT

#173

On February 13 2012 17:01 Blazinghand wrote:

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I'm gonna conserve you some time here and say ghost_403 is definitely scum if he can't figure out how to use some sort of chat program, irc, skype, something

On February 13 2012 06:51 ghost_403 wrote:
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I agree with prplhz in that using the 'Rabid Fanboy' trait is inherently scummy. It's basically a 'Vigilante' trait that steals an action from the town. In addition, using that trait means the next in line receives it, meaning there is a chance that it will get passed down to scum, a doublewhammy against the town.

ghost_403 on skype. Leave a message if I'm not on, and I'll (probably) get back to you.

Clearly, I'm scum. Can't believe everyone missed it. /sarc.

Off to work ATM. Should be back around 5EST, at which point I'll learn to IRC.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

February 13 2012 12:14 GMT

#174

If someone could put a bullet trough prplhz, that'd be grand.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

February 13 2012 12:48 GMT

#175

Now that I'm confirmed town you should probably all claim to me.

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

February 13 2012 12:49 GMT

#176

On February 13 2012 21:48 Palmar wrote:
Now that I'm confirmed town you should probably all claim to me.

do not do this

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

February 13 2012 12:49 GMT

#177

On February 13 2012 21:49 Mattchew wrote:

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do not do this

Why? Because it's hard to maintain fake claims?

Mattchew

United States5684 Posts

February 13 2012 12:50 GMT

#178

On February 13 2012 21:49 Palmar wrote:

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Why? Because it's hard to maintain fake claims?

because in no way shape or form are you confirmed town

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

February 13 2012 12:53 GMT

#179

On February 13 2012 21:50 Mattchew wrote:

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because in no way shape or form are you confirmed town

Bitch please...

Scum.

froggynoddy

United Kingdom452 Posts

February 13 2012 13:08 GMT

#180

Hello sorry for late response have been seeing clients all morning.

@ Palmar: Please could you explain to a noob (me) how you are confirmed town? And lets say that he is, I 'd like to point townies to this:

From BC's Guide: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=188179

One leader

This has been a problem in many games. One player in thread or in PM’s is solidified as the primary leader of the town. It somehow falls on them to do almost all the heavy lifting in the game. This causes multiple issues. If they are red, town instantly loses. If they are not careful and information is leaked to mafia, town will lose. If they are not confident in their decisions the town will become confused and you will typically lose. If you die, town is thrown into chaos and usually implodes.

This can be solved by not centralizing leadership on one person. In PM games smaller 2-5 member groups thinking as small cells and analyzing/pushing beliefs, etc… are more effective than one single leader. Multiple strong personalities in a thread (see L, Ace, etc.) Multiple players like that in a thread will argue, clash and ultimately things will get done. It also lets town get a better idea of alignment on players as the more aggressive they are the more analysis you can perform on them.

Anyone can learn the thread presence that the bigger named players possess and all it requires is confidence in your own abilities, and learning to not back down. Sometimes you will be wrong, but if multiple people do this in a game you get essentially an in game thought circle. People will toss ideas at each other and ultimately stronger analysis is usually accomplished. If you notice only one player is stepping up and you feel you have an important point to add, push it through. Your opinion may be disagreed with but that doesn’t make it any less valid.

re Grack: how experienced is he? If he's new I could imagine that being defensive could be quite natural as a townie (just trying to imagine how I would react to an allegation myself).

Re BH: being rude is not cool particularly as you were so nice to me pre-game

, but I guess we'd need to see his game history to see if he reacts rudely to allegations as townie or scum or whether thats his normal play.+ Show Spoiler +

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