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Sentinel/Nisani are on chopping black atm, both are accusing each other, yet neither have anything substantial to say about it. Guess no one cares about this game n e moar
On February 09 2012 12:50 Nisani201 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 08:09 prplhz wrote:
@Nisan201 Why don't you make any sense at all?
Things you've said that do not make sense in my brain:
1: prplhz is a good scumhunter. I doubt you believe this because it's not true. I'm like maybe mid gold league and I've never played well in any game you've been in and I've never seen you in any observer QT.
2: You have not been vocal or decided to have any thread presence because 1, yet you don't really act like you truly believe 1. You didn't support me in ANYTHING this whole game. I would actually have pushed you day2 but I thought it would be weird to shoot sinani206 and then push Nisani201. No idea where I got this idea from.
3: You only ever do anything when called out. Your cases on BaronFel and [UoN]Sentinel are like, meh, you could have pushed those at any point in this game because they took you maybe 2 minutes to write up. I've seen you do a lot better but in this game you don't seem to really give a damn.
And can't you at least make up some bullshit reason for not giving us sinani201? He was so obvious and you've played with him more and know him better than anybody else here. I had to read through of his games (I didn't count SEVEN FUCKING TEEN by the way) night1 but you were in all those, why didn't you give us sinani201? 1. You landed a vig shot on Sinani on N1. 2. This is a defect in my town play. Look at any of my games and you'll see that it's natural for me to be somewhat lurky/less vocal. 13. See #2 2I will be writing an analysis on Sentinel later today (or tomorrow if I don't have enough time). I agree that I haven't been as active as I should be but that will change.
1. It's true that you always play lurky and unvocal; however in this scenario you haven't really been making sense, along with lurking. In the games I read, you facilitate discussion by prodding inactives/people making no sense, ask probing questions, etc. You did that for D1 a bit, but tapered off severely D2. It gives off a huge vibe of "townies getting lynched, idgaf".
2. being lurky doesn't mean you're bad at scumhunting; in MLP Mafia you busted out a huge, correct analysis when the time came for it; are you unable/unwilling to do so now?
I'm going to be back home 4 hours before the deadline. hopefully ppls start making sense by then.
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Everyone calm the fuck down. The analysis is in the workings. I promised the analysis last night, not 2 days ago. Holy shit you guys are impatient.
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Sentinel
Our analysis on Sentinel begins with this post from Sinesis, a flipped townie.
On February 02 2012 15:41 Sinensis wrote:
A day 1 lynch in theory has a 25% chance of killing an enemy of the emperor at random with the numbers we have. The problem a day 1 lynch proposes is who to lynch? Further, who decides who to lynch?
The alternative is not killing the first night while the Chaos scum are allowed time to get comfortable. Will they try to kill in the night? Why wouldn't they? Odds are they'll do terrible terrible damage. Even if they don't they'll have time to fortify and strike twice tomorrow night. Our situation is grim no matter how you look at it, so lets talk choices while we can still make them.
The first decision we need to make is if we're going to kill on the first night, lets take this one step at a time. Please post whether you think we should lynch tonight or not and why.
I'll tell you what I think, it involves a plan and is OBVIOUSLY up for debate/criticism/modification:
We should kill the first night, and I should say who dies. Day 1 in a unique time because no one not you, me, or the Chaos scum knows who anyone else is yet. Anyone's guess is as good as random, and random buys us exactly 25% right now. Since our odds are only going to get worse from here, I say we take them. I will use a random number generator to decide which of this crew is executed.
If you agree with me say so, if you disagree I want to hear why... this will at the very least spur juicy discussion to comb,
As I mentioned earlier, this post is stupid, but not something that scum would do.
Bluelightz votes for him but then pulls back before any opposition. That's why I don't count him in this. prplhz votes for him. Sentinel, who sees that a townie supports this lynch, votes for Sinesis with this post:
On February 02 2012 20:31 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +
We should kill the first night, and I should say who dies. Day 1 in a unique time because no one not you, me, or the Chaos scum knows who anyone else is yet. Anyone's guess is as good as random, and random buys us exactly 25% right now. Since our odds are only going to get worse from here, I say we take them. I will use a random number generator to decide which of this crew is executed.
I'm sold. ##Vote: Sinensis
I was able to get some votes on Sentinel because of this post, but I withdrew the case because I thought he was being active, and because I didn't think it would be fair to make a case on him off of one post as long as he was being an active townie.
However, I now realize that his posts had a lot of fluff in them. Look at this:
On February 03 2012 05:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm back.
I have a history of voting for people who fluff. My primary reason being that they're derailing the discussion and possibly doing it on behalf of scumteam, but also because, at least in the beginning, these are the kind of people impeding progress anyway.
Like if there's 7 of us left with 2 mafia and 5 towns, I wouldn't advocate a lynch like that because we need all the votes and information we can get to lynch the right people, as if we lynch a random townie we won't get his power (if blue) and the next day it's 3 townies and 2 mafia left. lynch or lose that day, then the next there's 2 towns and 1 mafia, another lynch or lose.
Right now however it's not that drastic. It's 9 on 3. Best case scenario we lynch the right person, mafia kills one of us and it's 8 on 2. Much more favorable odds. Even better if the doc manages to bring that up to 9 on 2.
Worst case scenario it's 7 on 3, townie lynched and townie shot. This is pretty bad, but unless we lynch the vigilante then we can still pull out with a well-placed bullet. I don't like this scenario, but accidents do happen.
Pretty much every plan I can think of in my semi-awake state gets blocked by that damn hedonist. I think I'll take a nap and then get back to this.
Mafia love to make posts like these. It's information that everyone has. A textbook exaple of contributing without contributing.
His next relevant post comes later, where he votes for Timeaisis.
On February 03 2012 09:48 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 09:43 Timeaisis wrote:On February 03 2012 08:47 EchelonTee wrote:On February 03 2012 02:28 Timeaisis wrote:
Yeah, that may be true. Those who start the bandwagon are seeming a little more scummy to me right now. Bluelightz voted for Sinensis but unvoted before people started pointing fingers (except for him). That leaves prplhz who pretty much started the "lynch Sinensis" thing. So right now I'm leaning between voting for prplhz or Sinensis, because they both seem a little suspicious.
On another note, Sinensis has 4 votes (if I counted correctly), I mean unless people retract in the next couple posts. Still not voting yet, though... So you think Sinensis is supicious for... you don't mention why actually, alright whatever. But you are suspicious of prplhz for starting a motion against someone you find supicious? Should you not be supportive of this move? As far as I'm concernced, prplhz and Sinensis are on opposite sides, at least ideologically if not red/green. Don't see how you can be suspicous of both when you posted this. On February 03 2012 03:31 Timeaisis wrote:
Well prphlz and you are tied for most suspicious in my mind. Just saying. Ok, you still are against them, ok consistency at least- On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote:
Right now, Sentinel and prphlz are my two. Especially since Sentinel seems to be more active of late, mderg's recent post, and Sinensis' recent find on prplhz (which I think is pretty reasonable).
But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel Wait what da faq? 3 hours later you're on sentinel. But why? Oh right, there's a vote rolling on sentinel, that's your "reasoning". You realize, this is commonly known as bandwagoning. Care to consolidate your opinions? Well, regarding your last part. Three hours later, yeah, I'm on someone else because frankly, Sinensis has been acting less and less scummy since his initail "RNG lynch" idea. And throughout further review on my part, Sentinel seems to have it out for some people regardless of what they say. I'm simply trying to move this along, because both prplhz and Sentinel have seemed hositle and or scummy in the past 3-4 posts. Since Sinensis seems to be making a reasonable claim against prplhz and mderg's opinions about Sentil make good sense to me. So no, I'm not "changing my vote", I just think, due to recent events, Sentinel seems more of a threat than Sinensis and prplhz right now. So, yeah, call me "bandwagoning" or whatever. I'm voting for someone who I think is scum due to someone else's (mderg's) reasing, who, honestly, has had the only pretty reasonable piece of evidence against someone in this entire game. So yeah, I'm still voting for Sentinel. And you're defense of Sentinel is starting to make you look like you know something the rest of us don't... Woke up. I thought I would be guillotined by this time but apparently so far nobody else has voted for me. Voting because someone else said so is not a good policy. You should at least justify why you think his is the only reasonable evidence when I clearly addressed and refuted his every point. Sinensis is turning slightly greener for me, but your actions thus far have just been a giant WTF for me. So until then, ##Vote: Timeaisis
His vote here is very similar to the vote he made on Sinesis on D1. I voted Timeaisis too, but I did it much later when there was a lot more evidence and analysis on him. This kind of latching on to Timeaisis is very scummy to me, and it should be to anyone else.
He later builds on the case with this post.
On February 04 2012 06:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 04:54 sinani206 wrote:
so I will be voting for sentinel who has gone quiet since he took the lead in votes.
That's a little something called "school". I woke up and went there today. Show nested quote +
Timeaisis:
Can you link me to a good analyisis of why they're not? It seems to me that you, sentinel and bluelightz are all pro-lynching me, while everyone else suspects sentinel (other than Echelon). Putting two and two together I'd wager that you, sentinel and bluelightz are all scum, which if you go back, I said pages ago. And guess who else said it pages ago: Sinensis!
I'm sorry, what is this? If everyone else suspected me sans the three of us and Echelon, that would be 8 votes on me. I'd be dead. There are only 5 votes on me which means that 7 people think I'm either innocent or not important enough to be lynched. This is why I feel like I have a more legitimate beef - when I voted, I pointed out exactly which part made me suspicious. You on the other hand went "herp derp that guy voted for Sentinel so I'm voting for Sentinel". I might have bandwagoned but at least I gave a little bit of evidence (the paragraph I quoted) while you gave absolutely zero other than some other guy voted for him. I don't even understand why I'm getting all these votes as a result of this. Show nested quote +
Then he says:
Sinensis, the one who was bandwagoned first.
Then, soon after that FoS, an interesting post by Bluelightz, probably because Sinensis and I our stirring up trouble, and we're obviously both new.
"Sentinel, the one who was bandwagoned second. Then soon after that FoS, a shitload of lynches, an interesting post by prplhz and EchelonTree, probably because everyone thinks we're stirring up trouble when really these votes are unjustified in such numbers." And you voted me for going to school. Show nested quote +
There are plenty of people being attacked in the thread right now... why is it that the people I suspect as scum are only defending their circle of three?
Why are you only suspecting us three when at least time warrants suspicion? Show nested quote +
And I WISH someone in this thread actually knew what a "bandwagon" was so I wouldn't have to keep seeing it used out of context.
Bandwagon is jumping onto a conclusion with little to no original evidence. I had little, timeaisis had no. This is the central topic of this discussion. Everyone understands the word in this game as approximately that definition, so there is no problem. Show nested quote +
And lastly, Toast:
We should be going after them until we can get a psyker read on Sentinel.
50 bucks says that if there's a hedonist he'll taint me. If there isn't a hedonist and we somehow can confirm this, 50 bucks people will think there's a hedonist because I'm listed as "Not Tainted" and some people can't get it into their heads that I. Am. Not. A. Scum. And before people say I'm going silent again, this is my game plan: It is now 4:00 EST. Between 4:25 EST and 8:30 EST I will be busy due to swim practice. So if anybody's wondering why I'm lurking, here's your answer. [/b]
This is sort of a mix between a defense and an analysis, but upon closer inspection, you can see that it doesn't actually have much evidence against Timeaisis. So the case is still very weak.
Later on he makes posts like these with posts against Timeaisis, but the point is that he started this case on bullshit, and it led to us lynching a townie.
Day 2 comes, and Sentinel decides to repeat D1 by voting Sinesis for a stupid reason.
On February 05 2012 13:24 Sinensis wrote:
##Vote: prplhz
BAAWW I DIDN'T SPEND ENOUGH TIME EXPLAINING MY VOTE. Cry me a fucking river scum. I've suspected this joker since his first post.
On February 05 2012 13:37 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
##Vote: Sinensis
There is also another post that I find interesting. Here it is.
Voting for this idiot.
On February 05 2012 13:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Sinensis, pretty much everything you've said up to this point incriminates me, Bluelightz, and prplhz. Now that prplhz is confirmed townie, and I'm fairly in the green, what have you to say?
"fairly in the green." I can see the inherent guilt. Just an interesting scumslip.
On February 05 2012 14:11 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I have my final defense ready if it comes to that today.
More inherent guilt here, though I suppose that this isn't as strong as the last one because it's possible for a townie to do this too.
He makes this post which is full of WIFOM goodness.
There's also this post, which has a lot of bullshit in it. Ill go through it (commentary in green).
On February 08 2012 20:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 02:20 Nisani201 wrote:
Because I trust confirmed townies more than nonconfirmed townies. I also know that prplhz is a good scumhunter. This is the "reasoning" that Nisani has. This is all of it. I've explained my reasoning before, so you're either ignoring it or you haven't read the thread. Both are anti-town.His posts are generally one-liners, mostly to do with lynching me. If I didn't know better, I'd say he was an executioner. Executioner does not exist, however. I'm guessing the last two scum are Fatespinner and Goon, but no way to be certain. Now for my usual line-by-line defense. Show nested quote +I've explained my reasoning behind Sentinel in the past but I'll explain it again. He's been jumping on easy lynch opportunities based on mistakes that scum wouldn't make.
I have equal reads on both of them. If you guys would rather lynch BaronFel then fine, but I think that Sentinel would be a better lynch since he is actively misleading the town. Did you say actively misleading? Timeaisis (peace be upon him) and Sinensis might have been townies, but they had extremely scummy gameplay and it was only logical to assume they were scums. Many people had mountains of evidence piling against at least one of them, unlike your one liners which really, really, really, want to get me guillotined. You lead the case against Timeaisis and you didn't like Sinesis. Stop trying to justify those lynches.Oh god... bandwagon voting again? But that brings up a good point. BaronFel has 10 posts. TEN of them. That's 1 /in post and 9 short posts where I learned nothing new because someone already said most of those things. Here's a little something something from BaronFel BaronFel isn't mentioned anywhere in this post.Show nested quote +I think we should vote, but I'm not fully sold on Sentinal being scum just yet... and prplhz has been making stronger arguments since his rough start...
##Vote: Timeaisis
For now (He has been acting odd, and I think playing up the "Im new" card a bit too much), although I'm still watching prplhz (for having such a surprising turn around of character) and Sinensis (for some questionable logic, which even as a townie, is dangerous). Can't find any other justification in his filter for lynching Timeaisis (peace be upon him) other than those 2 sentences. He was riding Sinensis up until the Timeaisis train got rolling, and then suddenly it's "whoops I think I'll vote for him instead!" Then he switches to Sinensis after THAT train gets rolling, getting two townies out of the way. Of course he might be busy. But generally he's been posting only when someone says "BaronFel is lurking, I'm thinking of voting him because he's suspicious" he half-asses an argument to get us off of his back, life goes on. As much as I'd love to see Nisani lynched, the fact of the matter is that a mislynch today will bring us to a LyLo scenario tomorrow. It will be 3 on 2. Resulting in ##Vote: BaronFelThe last good part of the analysis. I quite like that you're attacking BaronFel. It will make for good WIFOM when you flip red.
On February 10 2012 03:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
@Nisani you've been promising to write your analysis for maybe 2 days now? Where is this magic analysis?
Until then, to accelerate the process,
##Vote: Nisani201
This is the same kind of behavior that he demonstrated at the beginning of D1 and D2. Voting people for stupid reasons.
Let's end this. Vote [UoN]Sentinel.
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Actually, I guess lynching Sentinel wouldn't end it, since there would be one more scum to kill. But you get the idea 
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On February 10 2012 04:27 Nisani201 wrote:SentinelI was able to get some votes on Sentinel because of this post, but I withdrew the case because I thought he was being active, and because I didn't think it would be fair to make a case on him off of one post as long as he was being an active townie. However, I now realize that his posts had a lot of fluff in them. Look at this: Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 05:45 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm back.
I have a history of voting for people who fluff. My primary reason being that they're derailing the discussion and possibly doing it on behalf of scumteam, but also because, at least in the beginning, these are the kind of people impeding progress anyway.
Like if there's 7 of us left with 2 mafia and 5 towns, I wouldn't advocate a lynch like that because we need all the votes and information we can get to lynch the right people, as if we lynch a random townie we won't get his power (if blue) and the next day it's 3 townies and 2 mafia left. lynch or lose that day, then the next there's 2 towns and 1 mafia, another lynch or lose.
Right now however it's not that drastic. It's 9 on 3. Best case scenario we lynch the right person, mafia kills one of us and it's 8 on 2. Much more favorable odds. Even better if the doc manages to bring that up to 9 on 2.
Worst case scenario it's 7 on 3, townie lynched and townie shot. This is pretty bad, but unless we lynch the vigilante then we can still pull out with a well-placed bullet. I don't like this scenario, but accidents do happen.
Pretty much every plan I can think of in my semi-awake state gets blocked by that damn hedonist. I think I'll take a nap and then get back to this. Mafia love to make posts like these. It's information that everyone has. A textbook exaple of contributing without contributing.
1. Timeaisis was lynched for fluffing. Sinensis was lynched for semi-fluffing. Tell me, what was the alignment of these two players again?
2. This was a) a justification of why I voted the way I did, b) why a mislynch is worse than a no-lynch if we have absolutely no good leads, and c) I'm tired so I can't think of a hedonist-proof plan.
His next relevant post comes later, where he votes for Timeaisis. Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 09:48 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On February 03 2012 09:43 Timeaisis wrote:On February 03 2012 08:47 EchelonTee wrote:On February 03 2012 02:28 Timeaisis wrote:
Yeah, that may be true. Those who start the bandwagon are seeming a little more scummy to me right now. Bluelightz voted for Sinensis but unvoted before people started pointing fingers (except for him). That leaves prplhz who pretty much started the "lynch Sinensis" thing. So right now I'm leaning between voting for prplhz or Sinensis, because they both seem a little suspicious.
On another note, Sinensis has 4 votes (if I counted correctly), I mean unless people retract in the next couple posts. Still not voting yet, though... So you think Sinensis is supicious for... you don't mention why actually, alright whatever. But you are suspicious of prplhz for starting a motion against someone you find supicious? Should you not be supportive of this move? As far as I'm concernced, prplhz and Sinensis are on opposite sides, at least ideologically if not red/green. Don't see how you can be suspicous of both when you posted this. On February 03 2012 03:31 Timeaisis wrote:
Well prphlz and you are tied for most suspicious in my mind. Just saying. Ok, you still are against them, ok consistency at least- On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote:
Right now, Sentinel and prphlz are my two. Especially since Sentinel seems to be more active of late, mderg's recent post, and Sinensis' recent find on prplhz (which I think is pretty reasonable).
But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel Wait what da faq? 3 hours later you're on sentinel. But why? Oh right, there's a vote rolling on sentinel, that's your "reasoning". You realize, this is commonly known as bandwagoning. Care to consolidate your opinions? Well, regarding your last part. Three hours later, yeah, I'm on someone else because frankly, Sinensis has been acting less and less scummy since his initail "RNG lynch" idea. And throughout further review on my part, Sentinel seems to have it out for some people regardless of what they say. I'm simply trying to move this along, because both prplhz and Sentinel have seemed hositle and or scummy in the past 3-4 posts. Since Sinensis seems to be making a reasonable claim against prplhz and mderg's opinions about Sentil make good sense to me. So no, I'm not "changing my vote", I just think, due to recent events, Sentinel seems more of a threat than Sinensis and prplhz right now. So, yeah, call me "bandwagoning" or whatever. I'm voting for someone who I think is scum due to someone else's (mderg's) reasing, who, honestly, has had the only pretty reasonable piece of evidence against someone in this entire game. So yeah, I'm still voting for Sentinel. And you're defense of Sentinel is starting to make you look like you know something the rest of us don't... Woke up. I thought I would be guillotined by this time but apparently so far nobody else has voted for me. Voting because someone else said so is not a good policy. You should at least justify why you think his is the only reasonable evidence when I clearly addressed and refuted his every point. Sinensis is turning slightly greener for me, but your actions thus far have just been a giant WTF for me. So until then, ##Vote: Timeaisis His vote here is very similar to the vote he made on Sinesis on D1. I voted Timeaisis too, but I did it much later when there was a lot more evidence and analysis on him. This kind of latching on to Timeaisis is very scummy to me, and it should be to anyone else.
This is the post that Nisani voted for Time as a result of:
On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote:
Right now, Sentinel and prphlz are my two. Especially since Sentinel seems to be more active of late, mderg's recent post, and Sinensis' recent find on prplhz (which I think is pretty reasonable).
But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
Notice something? Oh right, that's also the basis of my entire argument against Timeaisis (peace be upon). I made said argument, and many people either voiced their concerns or sided with/against me, before Nisani posted this pathetic analysis:
On February 04 2012 09:18 Nisani201 wrote:
Alright, a lot of stuff has happened in the past few pages. I wish I could have been more active but I haven't been able to.
Anyways, the vote on Sentinel was more of a reaction test than anything. That's why I didn't use any reasoning in the initial post against him. His posts have been very good as of late and I no longer feel comfortable voting for him.
##Unvote
Your justification is that in the 8 minutes you wrote your post you didn't know that everyone unvoted Sentinel. I think this is
just trying to scoot out the back door because nobody else really had too much to ride me on. And a quick switch to Timeaisis to get him lynched.
However, this post from Timeaisis really takes it home. I don't know why a town would make this kind of post. He briefly talks about other people but then dismisses it in favor of a Sentinel lynch. Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote:
Right now, Sentinel and prphlz are my two. Especially since Sentinel seems to be more active of late, mderg's recent post, and Sinensis' recent find on prplhz (which I think is pretty reasonable).
But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel Timeaisis is also very aggressive against prplhz for very little reason. I don't like how he's overblowing this post against prplhz. It's a very weak case and since prplhz is making a lot of sense, I could see why a scum would want him dead. ##Vote: Timeaisis
I voted for Timeaisis and defended my vote, as well as my life, with many arguments. Nothing in this paragraph has been said before, other than the "overblowing" part. And that isn't overblowing. That's an argument. He posted it, moved on to defend himself for the other crap we were accusing him of.
He later builds on the case with this post. Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 06:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On February 04 2012 04:54 sinani206 wrote:
so I will be voting for sentinel who has gone quiet since he took the lead in votes.
That's a little something called "school". I woke up and went there today.
Timeaisis:
Can you link me to a good analyisis of why they're not? It seems to me that you, sentinel and bluelightz are all pro-lynching me, while everyone else suspects sentinel (other than Echelon). Putting two and two together I'd wager that you, sentinel and bluelightz are all scum, which if you go back, I said pages ago. And guess who else said it pages ago: Sinensis!
I'm sorry, what is this? If everyone else suspected me sans the three of us and Echelon, that would be 8 votes on me. I'd be dead. There are only 5 votes on me which means that 7 people think I'm either innocent or not important enough to be lynched. This is why I feel like I have a more legitimate beef - when I voted, I pointed out exactly which part made me suspicious. You on the other hand went "herp derp that guy voted for Sentinel so I'm voting for Sentinel". I might have bandwagoned but at least I gave a little bit of evidence (the paragraph I quoted) while you gave absolutely zero other than some other guy voted for him. I don't even understand why I'm getting all these votes as a result of this.
Then he says:
Sinensis, the one who was bandwagoned first.
Then, soon after that FoS, an interesting post by Bluelightz, probably because Sinensis and I our stirring up trouble, and we're obviously both new.
"Sentinel, the one who was bandwagoned second. Then soon after that FoS, a shitload of lynches, an interesting post by prplhz and EchelonTree, probably because everyone thinks we're stirring up trouble when really these votes are unjustified in such numbers."
Sinensis:
You however have not voted logically all game
And you voted me for going to school.
There are plenty of people being attacked in the thread right now... why is it that the people I suspect as scum are only defending their circle of three?
Why are you only suspecting us three when at least time warrants suspicion?
And I WISH someone in this thread actually knew what a "bandwagon" was so I wouldn't have to keep seeing it used out of context.
Bandwagon is jumping onto a conclusion with little to no original evidence. I had little, timeaisis had no. This is the central topic of this discussion. Everyone understands the word in this game as approximately that definition, so there is no problem.
And lastly, Toast:
We should be going after them until we can get a psyker read on Sentinel.
50 bucks says that if there's a hedonist he'll taint me. If there isn't a hedonist and we somehow can confirm this, 50 bucks people will think there's a hedonist because I'm listed as "Not Tainted" and some people can't get it into their heads that I. Am. Not. A. Scum. And before people say I'm going silent again, this is my game plan: It is now 4:00 EST. Between 4:25 EST and 8:30 EST I will be busy due to swim practice. So if anybody's wondering why I'm lurking, here's your answer. This is sort of a mix between a defense and an analysis, but upon closer inspection, you can see that it doesn't actually have much evidence against Timeaisis. So the case is still very weak.
Yes. A defense. Note that before Timeaisis (peace be upon him) got lynched, everyone wanted to vote for me! So what do you do to not get guillotined? Defend! Any analysis was also done as defense, or to counter people's arguments when I saw them as bullshit.
Later on he makes posts like these with posts against Timeaisis, but the point is that he started this case on bullshit, and it led to us lynching a townie.
The irony of the boldface clause will become apparent upon my death.
Day 2 comes, and Sentinel decides to repeat D1 by voting Sinesis for a stupid reason. Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 13:24 Sinensis wrote:
##Vote: prplhz
BAAWW I DIDN'T SPEND ENOUGH TIME EXPLAINING MY VOTE. Cry me a fucking river scum. I've suspected this joker since his first post. Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 13:37 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
##Vote: Sinensis
There is also another post that I find interesting. Here it is.
Voting for this idiot. Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 13:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Sinensis, pretty much everything you've said up to this point incriminates me, Bluelightz, and prplhz. Now that prplhz is confirmed townie, and I'm fairly in the green, what have you to say? "fairly in the green." I can see the inherent guilt. Just an interesting scumslip.
How in the name of the Emperor is that a scumslip? I was RED up until shortly before Timeaisis got lynched, I'm happy now because people now see me more as GREEN
On February 05 2012 14:11 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I have my final defense ready if it comes to that today.
More inherent guilt here, though I suppose that this isn't as strong as the last one because it's possible for a townie to do this too.
He makes this post which is full of WIFOM goodness.
Those two sentences... I don't know if I should be laughing or punching something in anger. Probably the first since it will save me money and sanity.
My "final defense" has a good chance of painting a big target on my back, I'm only going to do it if I'm slated for death already.
As for the WIFOM, the conversation leading to that post went like this.
Me: I'm bored, nobody's posting, I have nothing to analyze.
Others: Well go analyze by yourself.
Me: Okay, here's my thoughts on why they're this way.
If you had a problem with this, then you should have said it right then and there instead of posting one liners about how much you want me to die.
There's also this post, which has a lot of bullshit in it. Ill go through it (commentary in green).
Makes my job a little harder, I'm quoting all of this, but it's manageable.
On February 08 2012 20:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 02:20 Nisani201 wrote:
Because I trust confirmed townies more than nonconfirmed townies. I also know that prplhz is a good scumhunter. This is the "reasoning" that Nisani has. This is all of it. I've explained my reasoning before, so you're either ignoring it or you haven't read the thread. Both are anti-town.
Up to that point, I read your entire filter. Your "reasoning" in all of that filter was absolute shit.
His posts are generally one-liners, mostly to do with lynching me. If I didn't know better, I'd say he was an executioner. Executioner does not exist, however. I'm guessing the last two scum are Fatespinner and Goon, but no way to be certain. Now for my usual line-by-line defense. Show nested quote +I've explained my reasoning behind Sentinel in the past but I'll explain it again. He's been jumping on easy lynch opportunities based on mistakes that scum wouldn't make.
I have equal reads on both of them. If you guys would rather lynch BaronFel then fine, but I think that Sentinel would be a better lynch since he is actively misleading the town. Did you say actively misleading? Timeaisis (peace be upon him) and Sinensis might have been townies, but they had extremely scummy gameplay and it was only logical to assume they were scums. Many people had mountains of evidence piling against at least one of them, unlike your one liners which really, really, really, want to get me guillotined. You lead the case against Timeaisis and you didn't like Sinesis. Stop trying to justify those lynches.Oh god... bandwagon voting again? But that brings up a good point. BaronFel has 10 posts. TEN of them. That's 1 /in post and 9 short posts where I learned nothing new because someone already said most of those things. Here's a little something something from BaronFel BaronFel isn't mentioned anywhere in this post.
It's right under your commentary. Sorry for not putting the name, I thought it was kind of obvious when I said it right before the quote.
Show nested quote +I think we should vote, but I'm not fully sold on Sentinal being scum just yet... and prplhz has been making stronger arguments since his rough start...
##Vote: Timeaisis
For now (He has been acting odd, and I think playing up the "Im new" card a bit too much), although I'm still watching prplhz (for having such a surprising turn around of character) and Sinensis (for some questionable logic, which even as a townie, is dangerous). Can't find any other justification in his filter for lynching Timeaisis (peace be upon him) other than those 2 sentences. He was riding Sinensis up until the Timeaisis train got rolling, and then suddenly it's "whoops I think I'll vote for him instead!" Then he switches to Sinensis after THAT train gets rolling, getting two townies out of the way. Of course he might be busy. But generally he's been posting only when someone says "BaronFel is lurking, I'm thinking of voting him because he's suspicious" he half-asses an argument to get us off of his back, life goes on. As much as I'd love to see Nisani lynched, the fact of the matter is that a mislynch today will bring us to a LyLo scenario tomorrow. It will be 3 on 2. Resulting in ##Vote: BaronFelThe last good part of the analysis. I quite like that you're attacking BaronFel. It will make for good WIFOM when you flip red.
Reread my entire filter when I don't.
On February 10 2012 03:43 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
@Nisani you've been promising to write your analysis for maybe 2 days now? Where is this magic analysis?
Until then, to accelerate the process,
##Vote: Nisani201
This is the same kind of behavior that he demonstrated at the beginning of D1 and D2. Voting people for stupid reasons.
Let's end this. Vote [UoN]Sentinel.
Stupid as my reasons may be in hindsight, yours are already worse off.
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I'll be back around 8 to see what's up.
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Nisani is now.... DING DING DING DING Town!  his latest contribution is preety good, I'm going to unvote him and put a placeholder vote for now.
##Unvote: Nisani201
##Vote: No Lynch
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Do you mean that is was pretty long or that it was pretty good?
What parts made you think it was good?
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Okay lets just lynch Bluelightz.
I can't take this kind of crap any longer, sorry.
##Vote: Bluelightz
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EVERYBODY PILE ONTO BLUELIGHTZ
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##Unvote: No Lynch
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
prp umadbro? Anyway, this is my last act of day 3, can't post anymore after this.(can really, but after night post)
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Bluelightz did you even read my counterargument?
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sentinel isn't scum come on
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On February 10 2012 09:30 prplhz wrote:
Okay lets just lynch Bluelightz.
I can't take this kind of crap any longer, sorry.
##Vote: Bluelightz
I take it back, if you think bluelightz is scum then I must have been wrong about him all along :D :D
I'm going to read through everything in just a bit and make my vote, sorry for lack or participation (stupid real life!). It doesn't look like my vote is going to matter much though...
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How about BaronFel?
We could lynch BaronFel.
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One hour to lynch, no one has a majority yet
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On February 10 2012 10:45 prplhz wrote:
How about BaronFel?
We could lynch BaronFel.
lol. I don't know that I would be opposed to this.
I'm going over both Sentinel and Nisani's filters right now. It looks like my vote could swing the lynch against Sentinel, and the two of us could lynch Nisani. We still have just under an hour, gimme some time here, long post incoming.
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No more text walls please. Just say what's on your mind. All of your text walls so far have been grasping at straws and I can't read another one.
Just tell me what you think and why. Don't quote somebody's entire filter and point out something shallow and conclude that he's scum/town/whatever fits your plan.
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On February 10 2012 11:12 prplhz wrote:
No more text walls please. Just say what's on your mind. All of your text walls so far have been grasping at straws and I can't read another one.
Just tell me what you think and why. Don't quote somebody's entire filter and point out something shallow and conclude that he's scum/town/whatever fits your plan.
Yeah, the first one was already too unbearable.
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Alright, let's state with Nisani.
Only 27 posts in this entire thread, not much to go on here.
Nisani started out day one with his brief and unexplained vote on Sentinel, saying basically that his bandwagoning against Sinesis is what made him suspicious. Of course this was bizarre since Bluelightz was actually the one who started the wagon against Sentinel. Nisani came back with this to say:
On February 04 2012 09:18 Nisani201 wrote:Alright, a lot of stuff has happened in the past few pages. I wish I could have been more active but I haven't been able to. Anyways, the vote on Sentinel was more of a reaction test than anything. That's why I didn't use any reasoning in the initial post against him. His posts have been very good as of late and I no longer feel comfortable voting for him. ##UnvoteHowever, this post from Timeaisis really takes it home. I don't know why a town would make this kind of post. He briefly talks about other people but then dismisses it in favor of a Sentinel lynch. Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 06:20 Timeaisis wrote:
Right now, Sentinel and prphlz are my two. Especially since Sentinel seems to be more active of late, mderg's recent post, and Sinensis' recent find on prplhz (which I think is pretty reasonable).
But since we have a vote rolling for Sentinel, that's the way I'm going.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel Timeaisis is also very aggressive against prplhz for very little reason. I don't like how he's overblowing this post against prplhz. It's a very weak case and since prplhz is making a lot of sense, I could see why a scum would want him dead. ##Vote: Timeaisis
Claims he was testing Sentinel, and that he decided to back off because his posts seemed clean. Okay, fair enough. He says his next target is now Time for "being too aggressive". Check Time's filter, I'm not sure where this is coming from. Doesn't mention a thing again until after Day 1.
After the Sinesis stuff of Day 2, Nisani comes back with this:
On February 06 2012 04:27 Nisani201 wrote:
OMFG, today is pretty much a fucking repeat of yesterday. Sinesis does something stupid, Sentinel votes him, then Bluelightz wants us to do something that would benefit scum.
prplhz is confirmed town, so no one should be voting him. I am really tempted to vote for Sentinel right now but I'll wait to see if anything else comes up.
Big FoS: sentinel
On February 07 2012 12:29 Nisani201 wrote:
We are lynching Sentinel tomorrow, end of story.
His basic logic here is that Sentinel's attack on Sinesis makes him scummy. Terrible reasoning, but it seems to me that scum would actively be encouraging an attack on a townie...
On February 07 2012 06:06 Nisani201 wrote:
Alright, I have decided that I will vote Sentinel. I understand why people don't like Sinesis, but I just can't imagine him being scum.
##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
Big deal right here. Why would scum be defending a townie against a bandwagon???? That makes no sense at all. Nisani has been focusing on Sentinel since day 1, he has been at the opposite ends of the bandwagon against a townie twice, he has not been trying to manipulate the town in any way. His analysis against Sentinel looks pretty good too. Either he is the worst scum player in the history of Mafia, or he is pretty damn confirmed town.
Not saying I agree with him about Sentinel yet, but no way I'm supporting a Nisani lynch tonight. Few more posts incoming, I'm trying to split these up so others actually have time to read what I'm writing before the deadline.
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