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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Sinensis, well first thing I noticed was this post: On February 05 2012 13:24 Sinensis wrote: ##Vote: prplhz BAAWW I DIDN'T SPEND ENOUGH TIME EXPLAINING MY VOTE. Cry me a fucking river scum. I've suspected this joker since his first post. Look at how pissed off he is. He is really angry here. I bet when the rest of you saw the day post you expected to see a green, maybe a blue guy who had been offed by scum. But I think it was to everybody's surprise when there was also a red guy there. I would expect every townie to act a little surprised and also be happy about it but Sinensis is so pissed off here right after the day post. I think emotion is hard to fake for scum, it is easy to constantly remind yourself "I am town, I am town, I am town" but to also FEEL like townies feel must be impossible. I think he was pissed because one of his buddies was killed. I also think he's a lot better than how he plays, he's displayed some ability at logic but then he refused to realize that I was confirmed town even when it was very obvious. He tried to explain it away after mderg explained it to him, but I don't think that's good enough. | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
Also, due to the nature of this Chaos infestation, neither side can distinguish friendlies. Day 1 in a unique time because no one not you, me, or the Chaos scum knows who anyone else is yet. As hard as I tried I could not resolve these posts into any theory in which Sinesis was scum. A Mafia player would know that Mafia who they all are from the beginning of the game. Sure, it could be that he is a really super good scum player, but given the stupid nonsense he was spewing on page 5 does anyone really believe that? I find it hard to believe that a scum player would utilize a plan where they draw tons of attention to themselves by advocating heavy handed voting tactics which in turn starts a bandwagon against them; all relying on someone to discover some obscure clues they dropped early in the game to clear themselves. I don't buy this. And believe me, I was pretty convinced of Sinesis's guilt before I saw those quotes and tried as hard as I could to fit them into my theory. I could not find a way to do so that made any sense. | ||
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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
On February 07 2012 01:30 prplhz wrote: Well Bluelightz analysis is like "he's fluffing" but he's always fluffing and I don't see anything different from how he's acted in this game compared to Purgatory. I don't see why a scum who is one down day2 would just resign like he's doing. He could push ANYBODY and maybe have a chance to get them lynched, he doesn't even have to make a real case just some of the usual fluff and then he would have a chance to get somebody else lynched but he's doing absolutely nothing. Also, nobody is defending him at all which is always a little unsettling. He isn't indefensible at all. Sinensis, well first thing I noticed was this post: Look at how pissed off he is. He is really angry here. I bet when the rest of you saw the day post you expected to see a green, maybe a blue guy who had been offed by scum. But I think it was to everybody's surprise when there was also a red guy there. I would expect every townie to act a little surprised and also be happy about it but Sinensis is so pissed off here right after the day post. I think emotion is hard to fake for scum, it is easy to constantly remind yourself "I am town, I am town, I am town" but to also FEEL like townies feel must be impossible. I think he was pissed because one of his buddies was killed. I also think he's a lot better than how he plays, he's displayed some ability at logic but then he refused to realize that I was confirmed town even when it was very obvious. He tried to explain it away after mderg explained it to him, but I don't think that's good enough. I haven´t seen Bluelightz in other games but that makes sense. The no defence argument is a bit WIFOM but viable. I´ll take my vote away from Bluelightz for now but I don´t consider him cleared. ##Unvote: Bluelightz About Sinensis: If he really is scum, he´s really good at looking too scummy to be scum | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
He was a vanilla townie, and you will note that almost all of his posts are short one-liners. He's not making any lists, he's not posting pointless statistics. Compare this to Student Mafia, where Bluelights was a replacement Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291067&user=235418 There's not terribly many of them as he was put in as a replacement fairly late in the game, but note the number of long posts with big quotes. At least 5-7 out of the 15 or so posts during the game. All of them have almost no content or analysis but use big long quotes to fill up space. Exactly what he's done in this game. While he did make some longer posts during Purgatory Mafia, they for the most part actually attempt to make some analysis like this one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603¤tpage=106#2105 He's also regularly giving his reads on people like here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603¤tpage=21#410 He also actually defended himself against accusations of scumminess: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603¤tpage=118#2345 and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603¤tpage=126#2504 Bluelights has done none of these things in this game. Combined with the other evidence I am having a hard time as to how anyone can consider him cleared. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
I think his play looks a lot like Purgatory, and he's been posting lists in both games. That's not very important though because it's quite easy to think "I need to post lists because that's what I do as town". Very easy to fake, it's more his overall behavior. I don't like your "even if he is town, he is useless and we lose a useless townie", but if you insist on using it then it can probably be applied to Sinensis too. What he said was very easy to fake. You'll also notice that he actually played a game before in which he was scum so he should definitely know stuff like that. Also he could read the OP and know stuff like that. His behavior in this game is easy to just classify as "newbie" but that doesn't mean he's not scum and when I read his filter it comes off to me more as "terrorist" anyway. "Too scummy to be scum"? Look at sinani206's filter. People thought sinani206 wasn't contributing because sinani206 was town and he was "waiting for day2" or something crazy like that. Isn't that the most ludicrous argument ever? You lynch scummy people, you don't just WIFOM yourself into thinking "Well, scummy people needs to appear townie, and townie people aren't afraid to appear scummy so lets lynch people who appear townie and leave people who appear scummy.". That's plain crazy. You guys need to start voting for Sinensis now. | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On February 07 2012 02:34 prplhz wrote: I don't like your "even if he is town, he is useless and we lose a useless townie", but if you insist on using it then it can probably be applied to Sinensis too. I don't disagree with this. However you have yet to respond to the issue that I have brought up twice now about the early game posts he made. Unless you can come up with a very good explanation of how those integrate with your theory of him being scum, I am not moving my vote. | ||
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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
On February 07 2012 02:34 prplhz wrote: The no defense argument isn't WIFOM at all considering the situation. If he is scum he can just say one name. Then if this person is lynched and he's town, then cool, Bluelightz survived for another day while somebody else didn't. There are 7 townies and 1 scum, he can easily avoid mentioning his buddy and even if he does that will buy him town credit. This is a "nothing-to-lose" situation for scum, but town can still lose something by pointing other people in the direction of other townies. Not that I think that Bluelightz is playing stellar town play, I just don't think he's scum. I doubt he could get anybody else lynched that easy. On February 07 2012 02:34 prplhz wrote: I think his play looks a lot like Purgatory, and he's been posting lists in both games. That's not very important though because it's quite easy to think "I need to post lists because that's what I do as town". Very easy to fake, it's more his overall behavior. I agree. On February 07 2012 02:34 prplhz wrote: I don't like your "even if he is town, he is useless and we lose a useless townie", but if you insist on using it then it can probably be applied to Sinensis too. What he said was very easy to fake. You'll also notice that he actually played a game before in which he was scum so he should definitely know stuff like that. Also he could read the OP and know stuff like that. His behavior in this game is easy to just classify as "newbie" but that doesn't mean he's not scum and when I read his filter it comes off to me more as "terrorist" anyway. The "even if he is town, he is useless and we lose a useless townie" mentality is indeed not good. In a small game like this every dead townie can be crucial. On February 07 2012 02:34 prplhz wrote: "Too scummy to be scum"? Look at sinani206's filter. People thought sinani206 wasn't contributing because sinani206 was town and he was "waiting for day2" or something crazy like that. Isn't that the most ludicrous argument ever? You lynch scummy people, you don't just WIFOM yourself into thinking "Well, scummy people needs to appear townie, and townie people aren't afraid to appear scummy so lets lynch people who appear townie and leave people who appear scummy.". That's plain crazy. I never thought he was town, he was just difficult to read, so I didn´t want to lynch him on day 1. On February 07 2012 02:34 prplhz wrote: You guys need to start voting for Sinensis now. I don´t like your attitude... You´re like: "I´m cleared townie and killed a scum. There´s no way I can be wrong" I don´t think this affects my gameplay that much but maybe we would follow your suspicions more, if you wouldn´t say that you´re definitely right every second post. | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
On February 07 2012 02:34 prplhz wrote: The no defense argument isn't WIFOM at all considering the situation. If he is scum he can just say one name. Then if this person is lynched and he's town, then cool, Bluelightz survived for another day while somebody else didn't. Wait... explain this please? I'm not visualizing how this works. There are 7 townies and 1 scum, he can easily avoid mentioning his buddy and even if he does that will buy him town credit. This is a "nothing-to-lose" situation for scum, but town can still lose something by pointing other people in the direction of other townies. Not that I think that Bluelightz is playing stellar town play, I just don't think he's scum. I think his play looks a lot like Purgatory, and he's been posting lists in both games. That's not very important though because it's quite easy to think "I need to post lists because that's what I do as town". Very easy to fake, it's more his overall behavior. His filter in Purgatory had nine pages. I saw #5 had lots of the list-posts he makes here, and #4? and #7 had the one liners. So he did a little of both. I don't like your "even if he is town, he is useless and we lose a useless townie", but if you insist on using it then it can probably be applied to Sinensis too. What he said was very easy to fake. You'll also notice that he actually played a game before in which he was scum so he should definitely know stuff like that. Also he could read the OP and know stuff like that. His behavior in this game is easy to just classify as "newbie" but that doesn't mean he's not scum and when I read his filter it comes off to me more as "terrorist" anyway. "Too scummy to be scum"? Look at sinani206's filter. People thought sinani206 wasn't contributing because sinani206 was town and he was "waiting for day2" or something crazy like that. Isn't that the most ludicrous argument ever? You lynch scummy people, you don't just WIFOM yourself into thinking "Well, scummy people needs to appear townie, and townie people aren't afraid to appear scummy so lets lynch people who appear townie and leave people who appear scummy.". That's plain crazy. All I can say is that sinani was unexpected scum, but I can't really address this in detail since I have to leave now. You guys need to start voting for Sinensis now. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Sinensis defense right now is that he said in the beginning of the game that scum can't talk to each other. I'm giving you unwifomable evidence: townies don't get all pissed off when scum unexpectedly dies. Sinensis got pissed off. Sinensis has done nothing this game but pus scum agenda and push his newbie act to the limit. I'm pretty sure Bluelightz isn't scum and I'm pretty sure that Sinensis is scum. If you think I'm less likely to be right because I think I'm right then I haven't a clue. | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
I don't think Sinesis got too terribly pissed off after Night 1. Even if he did, your arguing that basically he is a terrible scum who can't help but obviously show how much of a scum he is. Terrible scum players don't leave deeply hidden criptic clues behind that could potentially clear them of being scum. This is a straw man argument if I've ever seen one. | ||
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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
On February 07 2012 04:48 prplhz wrote: I'm pretty sure Bluelightz isn't scum and I'm pretty sure that Sinensis is scum. If you think I'm less likely to be right because I think I'm right then I haven't a clue. That´s not what I meant. It´s more that you sound less convincing, when you say that everyone else is wrong and you are right (and use you killing scum as a reason). I cannot know whether you´re right or wrong as it is now. I´m pretty sure that either Sinensis or Bluelightz is scum, though. And I´m not sure as there are reasons to vote for both. Right now I´m waiting for Sinensis´defense... if it isn´t convincing, I´ll vote for him. | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On February 07 2012 05:22 mderg wrote: That´s not what I meant. It´s more that you sound less convincing, when you say that everyone else is wrong and you are right (and use you killing scum as a reason). I cannot know whether you´re right or wrong as it is now. I´m pretty sure that either Sinensis or Bluelightz is scum, though. And I´m not sure as there are reasons to vote for both. Right now I´m waiting for Sinensis´defense... if it isn´t convincing, I´ll vote for him. And bluelightz defense was convincing? | ||
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mderg
Germany1740 Posts
No, but Sinensis´post were even more stupid than his. | ||
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Nisani201
United States1400 Posts
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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EchelonTee
United States5260 Posts
Bluelightz hasn't contributed much, and hasn't been able to defend himself well. It is within reason to say that he has not had good town play. However, has he been actively pushing scum favored agendas? He didn't push the timeaisis train forward. His main suspect that day, mderg, he accused in a fairly standard manner. He hasn't been actively hurting town atmosphere; lists can be spammy, but he hasn't been spamming. The more I think about it, the more I feel null on him. Not pro-town, not anti-town per se. The lists were a red flag for me, but if you look at his purgatory feed it's FULL of lists. Seriously Toast, reread it... I'm thinking you just skimmed the feed without fully analyzing it. Though bringing it to my attention was good; meta works well here. Looking back at Day 1, a lot of people grouped prplhz, Bluelightz, and Sentinel together as a scum team. And now that prplhz is all but guaranteed town, Bluelightz still holds the same level of high suspicion? Werid shit. I'm going to analyze the dead peoples' feeds in a bit. ##Unvote Bluelightz | ||
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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
##Vote: Bluelightz I'm sorry, man. For the glory of the emperor. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5260 Posts
##Unvote: Bluelightz ##Vote: No Lynch inb4 he's trying to cause a no lynch | ||
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On February 07 2012 06:12 EchelonTee wrote: Woops forgot the colon. I'll be back before deadline. Placeholder vote in case my brain explodes. ##Unvote: Bluelightz ##Vote: No Lynch inb4 he's trying to cause a no lynch At this point it doesn't look like anyone is going to have to try to make that happen. | ||
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