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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 09 2012 14:05 GMT
#1501
On February 09 2012 23:02 Toadesstern wrote:
well a simple name would be enough for me to understand and you could claim everything else later on if you got the name

You'll get that soon enough. If you read my filter really closely you'll know anyway.
RIP Aaliyah
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 09 2012 14:08 GMT
#1502
On February 09 2012 23:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 23:02 Toadesstern wrote:
well a simple name would be enough for me to understand and you could claim everything else later on if you got the name

You'll get that soon enough. If you read my filter really closely you'll know anyway.

yeah I've got that as well
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 09 2012 14:09 GMT
#1503
So, Radfield. What's Your opinion on WBG now?
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risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
February 09 2012 14:09 GMT
#1504
On February 09 2012 22:49 Radfield wrote:
I got shot last night.

rgShworz is obviously not Two Face, and in act I'm willing to bet he is not a DT. He claimed a hit, yet no WAY catwoman did not target him last night.

Therefore he is either unkillable by Catwoman, which means he is either one of the vets (Solomon Grundy, Clayface, Bane, and Mr. Freeze) or Poison Ivy; or he himself is catwoman.

Yet he has claimed DT, which means he can only be catwoman out of those options. The Two-Face claim kinda makes sense if he's catwoman, but I can't really wrap my head around it. However his entire role-claim was bizarre(claiming dt out of the blue), which reminds me ALOT of the iGroks early neutral-balrog claim. There was almost no pressure, and he claimed a role which was basically guaranteed to see him killed. If he was bulletproof at night that actually makes sense, as the lynch is the only thing he fears. I still need to think about this, but he's not the lynch today.

We're missing a ton of KP, so it makes sense that if he is catwoman, he might have investigated DocH. Which means it's possible he's not lying, but it sure sounds like bullshit. He should have gotten a role back, not an alignment.

Either way, DocH and Toad seem more than confident enough, and both seem like town. If it comes to name claiming so be it, but I'd rather their identities remain hidden.




In other news, I investigated Sheth last night and he is Tyger

This gives us a whole truckload of info from the Day 1 lynch, because Sheth and CC were neck and neck for a while until CC ran away with it. I haven't looked through it yet, but I assure you scum will fall when I do


##Vote Sheth


If sheth is scum the information gain weights in alot.
##Vote Sheth

also
sheth most often scum. less often not scum.
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 09 2012 14:11 GMT
#1505
ok this one is easy. We screw everything DocH, myself and Schworz said for now and vote Sheth.

If he flips anything but tyger (miller would be okayish as well) we lynch Radfield. gg no re. I don't think it's that unlikely that someone would have protected radfield. He's a vet after all. Bitches love protecting vets.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
February 09 2012 14:11 GMT
#1506
On February 09 2012 22:58 kitaman27 wrote:
So what's your name radfield?

Nope

How bout you explain to me why after reading the Schworz/Toad/DocH situation you came out with the conclusion of lynching DocH.

On February 09 2012 22:55 Toadesstern wrote:
Rad what about lynching Schworz first? We can block mafia hits but noone but myself (+ true vets) is able to block catwoman hits I think. I'd much rather not have Schworz rampaging town.
However the only downside is that I really could give him that nooby card. Let's put it that way: I'd say he's going to flip 50 out of 100 times mafia. 35 out of 100 tmies Catwoman and 15 out of 100 times something else that doesn't make sense at all.

Guess I should have shot sheth or opz yesterday instead of kenpachi and trusted myself...

Also I don't think I am in danger, even if we nameclaim. Mafia hits can be blocked after all even if I become mortal again.



Sheth is mafia. Lynching him does way way more than lynching Schworz. Yes, if we leave him alive another day he can kill someone, but that's not a huge deal. There is also the chance that Sheth is a miller, but I highly highly doubt it because A) Two millers got flipped last night and B) Sheth has been super scummy all game.

If the early game option is lynching mafia or 3rd party, you ALWAYS lynch the mafia. End of story.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 09 2012 14:13 GMT
#1507
On February 09 2012 23:03 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 22:51 Palmar wrote:
Radfield, how did you survive? Is it it your role?

I shot you dead good last night. But you're much less dead than I had hoped?


Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 22:52 Palmar wrote:
oh I get it, you're black.


If I was black I would have shot you in the face Palmar I most certainly would not have DTed Sheth.

I assume I was saved by a medic.

Why would you ever shoot me night 1, it borders on braindead. You're supposed to have good reads on me too Palmar. I'd accuse you of being black, but then I wouldn't be here would I. That leaves mafia or bad Palmar... which is it I wonder?

So are you voting Sheth or what?


That's extremely interesting Radfield.

Remember when I at the start of the game posted the lyrics to "Don't Cry" by guns and roses?

The key line is "I've been there before". I rolled the same role as last time Radfield. Unlike last time my role is town-sided.

What's interesting is that, being the joker, my kills are unblockable, except I can't kill the veterans and batman/catwoman.

So, now. What do we do with you? You've basically confirmed yourself as batman or catwoman. Do we lynch you? Or do we allow you go for another day. In addition, this means it's very likely your investigation is correct on sheth... So we have both a confirmed 3rd party and a confirmed scum.
Computer says mafia
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 09 2012 14:14 GMT
#1508
On February 09 2012 23:11 Toadesstern wrote:
ok this one is easy. We screw everything DocH, myself and Schworz said for now and vote Sheth.

If he flips anything but tyger (miller would be okayish as well) we lynch Radfield. gg no re. I don't think it's that unlikely that someone would have protected radfield. He's a vet after all. Bitches love protecting vets.

And have no discussion?

If rG doesn't respond well then he's an easy lynch for tomorrow. It's tough when you have a mafia medic and a mafia vet to be strong at night, that suggests that there are a lot of Vig's in this game. If he can't respond, don't vig him at night but each vig should shoot whoever they see as the second most likely behind him. Hugo just has to lock up rG and he's immune to everything besides Batman/Catwoman as far as I can tell.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 09 2012 14:15 GMT
#1509
On February 09 2012 23:13 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 23:03 Radfield wrote:
On February 09 2012 22:51 Palmar wrote:
Radfield, how did you survive? Is it it your role?

I shot you dead good last night. But you're much less dead than I had hoped?


On February 09 2012 22:52 Palmar wrote:
oh I get it, you're black.


If I was black I would have shot you in the face Palmar I most certainly would not have DTed Sheth.

I assume I was saved by a medic.

Why would you ever shoot me night 1, it borders on braindead. You're supposed to have good reads on me too Palmar. I'd accuse you of being black, but then I wouldn't be here would I. That leaves mafia or bad Palmar... which is it I wonder?

So are you voting Sheth or what?


That's extremely interesting Radfield.

Remember when I at the start of the game posted the lyrics to "Don't Cry" by guns and roses?

The key line is "I've been there before". I rolled the same role as last time Radfield. Unlike last time my role is town-sided.

What's interesting is that, being the joker, my kills are unblockable, except I can't kill the veterans and batman/catwoman.

So, now. What do we do with you? You've basically confirmed yourself as batman or catwoman. Do we lynch you? Or do we allow you go for another day. In addition, this means it's very likely your investigation is correct on sheth... So we have both a confirmed 3rd party and a confirmed scum.


Wow you're a such a fucking liar in this game
RIP Aaliyah
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 09 2012 14:16 GMT
#1510
On February 09 2012 23:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 23:13 Palmar wrote:
On February 09 2012 23:03 Radfield wrote:
On February 09 2012 22:51 Palmar wrote:
Radfield, how did you survive? Is it it your role?

I shot you dead good last night. But you're much less dead than I had hoped?


On February 09 2012 22:52 Palmar wrote:
oh I get it, you're black.


If I was black I would have shot you in the face Palmar I most certainly would not have DTed Sheth.

I assume I was saved by a medic.

Why would you ever shoot me night 1, it borders on braindead. You're supposed to have good reads on me too Palmar. I'd accuse you of being black, but then I wouldn't be here would I. That leaves mafia or bad Palmar... which is it I wonder?

So are you voting Sheth or what?


That's extremely interesting Radfield.

Remember when I at the start of the game posted the lyrics to "Don't Cry" by guns and roses?

The key line is "I've been there before". I rolled the same role as last time Radfield. Unlike last time my role is town-sided.

What's interesting is that, being the joker, my kills are unblockable, except I can't kill the veterans and batman/catwoman.

So, now. What do we do with you? You've basically confirmed yourself as batman or catwoman. Do we lynch you? Or do we allow you go for another day. In addition, this means it's very likely your investigation is correct on sheth... So we have both a confirmed 3rd party and a confirmed scum.


Wow you're a such a fucking liar in this game


Care to elaborate? I don't know myself to have said anything that's not true this game.
Computer says mafia
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 09 2012 14:16 GMT
#1511
On February 09 2012 23:11 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 22:58 kitaman27 wrote:
So what's your name radfield?

Nope

How bout you explain to me why after reading the Schworz/Toad/DocH situation you came out with the conclusion of lynching DocH.

Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 22:55 Toadesstern wrote:
Rad what about lynching Schworz first? We can block mafia hits but noone but myself (+ true vets) is able to block catwoman hits I think. I'd much rather not have Schworz rampaging town.
However the only downside is that I really could give him that nooby card. Let's put it that way: I'd say he's going to flip 50 out of 100 times mafia. 35 out of 100 tmies Catwoman and 15 out of 100 times something else that doesn't make sense at all.

Guess I should have shot sheth or opz yesterday instead of kenpachi and trusted myself...

Also I don't think I am in danger, even if we nameclaim. Mafia hits can be blocked after all even if I become mortal again.



Sheth is mafia. Lynching him does way way more than lynching Schworz. Yes, if we leave him alive another day he can kill someone, but that's not a huge deal. There is also the chance that Sheth is a miller, but I highly highly doubt it because A) Two millers got flipped last night and B) Sheth has been super scummy all game.

If the early game option is lynching mafia or 3rd party, you ALWAYS lynch the mafia. End of story.

yeah but there's only 5 people in here being able to protect themselves from catwoman attacks ;(
I'm scared of my little townies

But okay I'll trust on on this one. After all it gives me shitload of information on you, andI wanted to shoot sheth yesterday and shot Kenpachi instead to not screw the game because I wasn't trusting my reads anymore after the CC lynch so I agree, sheth would even without your claim be an okayish lynch.

##Vote Sheth
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Radfield
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada2720 Posts
February 09 2012 14:18 GMT
#1512
On February 09 2012 22:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 22:56 Radfield wrote:
On February 09 2012 22:49 -_-Quails wrote:
Kurumi didn't shoot at me last night.

I won't vote anyone other than DocH today unless DocH is absolutely proven blue. One-for-one is a good trade for town and that's the best outcome rg would get as scum faking a guilty.


That's ridiculous. There is no way in the world that Catwoman would not shoot RG last night. It was a free Two-face kill. Schworz even claims he took a hit, but a catwoman hit is unblockable unless you are a vet or Poison Ivy. Schworz is neither of those, hence the most likely option is that he is catwoman.

Also, if he was actually a detective he should have gotten back a role, not just alignment.

On February 09 2012 21:53 Kurumi wrote:
On February 09 2012 21:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On February 09 2012 21:49 Kurumi wrote:
Also trying to claim that DT is as insane as insane is claiming miller.
Oh wait, You've already claimed blue. Too bad.

It's the only possibility since I'm not mafia. He's either insane or lying. I don't see why it's so ridiculous to think that there might be non-sane DT's in this game.

Two millers have already flipped. We can have a max of 3 DTs. Mafia has 3KP, DT of their own, Roleblocker and a Medic. That's more than enough to stop claimed DT to die.
Now.
Did someone claim shooting Slardar?


Why do you think that mafia have a medic? I don't see that anywhere in the OP. I see DT, Roleblocker, Vet + 3 KP.



Not true all. Toaddesstern is also able to survive a hit from either Batman or Catwoman.

Hugo Strange is a medic isn't he?

On February 09 2012 22:58 Toadesstern wrote:
they've got a medic according to my op

On February 09 2012 22:59 Kurumi wrote:
Hugo is a medic and godfather and the guy behind 1 KP, directing Deadshot, the bearer of said KP.

thanks for the tagteam guys. Don't know how I missed that.

On February 09 2012 23:02 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 23:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On February 09 2012 22:58 Kurumi wrote:
Actually, I think I might know what's going on with Schworz then.
He might be Poison Ivy. She is unkillable by CW. This means, if CW hit him, it would have no effect. And, as You said, we can be sure CW actually did hit Schworz. Although, this still means he's town. A really weird gambit if You ask me.

Then why would he lie and say he checked me and found me guilty? He's either an insane DT or a liar.

I can't claim until I get a green light from BC. I'm ready to do it, tactically, but because of the nature of my role there is a small annoyance that scum can turn against me if I'm not able to explain my role fully or allude to the issue.

Schworz is Poison Ivy Vigilante and he hit You. Since You did not flip, he assumed You're Ra's Al Ghul.


Poison Ivy is a medic, not a Vig. And as far as I can tell you're the only one who thinks DocH is Ra's Al Ghul.
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
February 09 2012 14:18 GMT
#1513
Also rad what the hell do you think is going on with Palmar. Town Palmar is a cowboy but he is a serious cowboy.

Do we have a scum-palmar who tried to fake beeing cowboy and got out of control troll on our hands. I really don't like how he ignores alot.+ Show Spoiler [Example] +
On February 09 2012 05:21 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 05:10 layabout wrote:
i presume that means you are confirming it's existence risk?

Yes, I don't see any point in anyone on the list denying it either.

Palmar claims we have an imposter in the mason thread. So did Jackal not invite the real palmar and lied about doing so? I don't know but the way I'm thinking we should handle this is following.

Step 1. Make everyone on the list confirm it in this thread were their identities can't be forged.

Step 2.(A) If alot of people say they haven't been invited we lynch jackal. If jackal flips is town we kill everyone who said they hadn't been invited.

Step 2.(B) If everyone else confirms they have been invited. We kill Palmar, If Palmar flips town we kill Jackal.

Thoughts?

This directly concerned him (now more then before) and he haven't even responed to it.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
February 09 2012 14:19 GMT
#1514
On February 09 2012 23:11 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 22:58 kitaman27 wrote:
So what's your name radfield?

Nope


Just don't shoot your good buddy kita. I'm not the droid you are looking for.

On February 09 2012 23:11 Radfield wrote:
How bout you explain to me why after reading the Schworz/Toad/DocH situation you came out with the conclusion of lynching DocH.


Because I'm generally more willing to believe the dt claim over the guy arguing himself out of a red check who claims to have taken a hit. schworz has a few things to explain, but its early in the day.

Likely will switch to Sheth depending on how things turn out.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 09 2012 14:20 GMT
#1515
I know EXACTLY what is going on with Palmar. Palmar knows EXACTLY what is going on with me. DocH knows EXACTLY what is going on with me but isn't able to catch the drift palmar did :p
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
February 09 2012 14:20 GMT
#1516
On February 09 2012 23:18 risk.nuke wrote:
Also rad what the hell do you think is going on with Palmar. Town Palmar is a cowboy but he is a serious cowboy.

Do we have a scum-palmar who tried to fake beeing cowboy and got out of control troll on our hands. I really don't like how he ignores alot.+ Show Spoiler [Example] +
On February 09 2012 05:21 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 05:10 layabout wrote:
i presume that means you are confirming it's existence risk?

Yes, I don't see any point in anyone on the list denying it either.

Palmar claims we have an imposter in the mason thread. So did Jackal not invite the real palmar and lied about doing so? I don't know but the way I'm thinking we should handle this is following.

Step 1. Make everyone on the list confirm it in this thread were their identities can't be forged.

Step 2.(A) If alot of people say they haven't been invited we lynch jackal. If jackal flips is town we kill everyone who said they hadn't been invited.

Step 2.(B) If everyone else confirms they have been invited. We kill Palmar, If Palmar flips town we kill Jackal.

Thoughts?

This directly concerned him (now more then before) and he haven't even responed to it.


I didn't ignore it. I explicitly said that I never claimed not to have been invited to the thread. I got invited in the first wave last night, and I have posted there regularly.
Computer says mafia
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 09 2012 14:20 GMT
#1517
On February 09 2012 23:20 Toadesstern wrote:
I know EXACTLY what is going on with Palmar. Palmar knows EXACTLY what is going on with me. DocH knows EXACTLY what is going on with me but isn't able to catch the drift palmar did :p

So I shouldn't be worried? Are you sure?
RIP Aaliyah
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 09 2012 14:21 GMT
#1518
On February 09 2012 23:18 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 22:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On February 09 2012 22:56 Radfield wrote:
On February 09 2012 22:49 -_-Quails wrote:
Kurumi didn't shoot at me last night.

I won't vote anyone other than DocH today unless DocH is absolutely proven blue. One-for-one is a good trade for town and that's the best outcome rg would get as scum faking a guilty.


That's ridiculous. There is no way in the world that Catwoman would not shoot RG last night. It was a free Two-face kill. Schworz even claims he took a hit, but a catwoman hit is unblockable unless you are a vet or Poison Ivy. Schworz is neither of those, hence the most likely option is that he is catwoman.

Also, if he was actually a detective he should have gotten back a role, not just alignment.

On February 09 2012 21:53 Kurumi wrote:
On February 09 2012 21:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On February 09 2012 21:49 Kurumi wrote:
Also trying to claim that DT is as insane as insane is claiming miller.
Oh wait, You've already claimed blue. Too bad.

It's the only possibility since I'm not mafia. He's either insane or lying. I don't see why it's so ridiculous to think that there might be non-sane DT's in this game.

Two millers have already flipped. We can have a max of 3 DTs. Mafia has 3KP, DT of their own, Roleblocker and a Medic. That's more than enough to stop claimed DT to die.
Now.
Did someone claim shooting Slardar?


Why do you think that mafia have a medic? I don't see that anywhere in the OP. I see DT, Roleblocker, Vet + 3 KP.



Not true all. Toaddesstern is also able to survive a hit from either Batman or Catwoman.

Hugo Strange is a medic isn't he?

Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 22:58 Toadesstern wrote:
they've got a medic according to my op

Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 22:59 Kurumi wrote:
Hugo is a medic and godfather and the guy behind 1 KP, directing Deadshot, the bearer of said KP.

thanks for the tagteam guys. Don't know how I missed that.

Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 23:02 Kurumi wrote:
On February 09 2012 23:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On February 09 2012 22:58 Kurumi wrote:
Actually, I think I might know what's going on with Schworz then.
He might be Poison Ivy. She is unkillable by CW. This means, if CW hit him, it would have no effect. And, as You said, we can be sure CW actually did hit Schworz. Although, this still means he's town. A really weird gambit if You ask me.

Then why would he lie and say he checked me and found me guilty? He's either an insane DT or a liar.

I can't claim until I get a green light from BC. I'm ready to do it, tactically, but because of the nature of my role there is a small annoyance that scum can turn against me if I'm not able to explain my role fully or allude to the issue.

Schworz is Poison Ivy Vigilante and he hit You. Since You did not flip, he assumed You're Ra's Al Ghul.


Poison Ivy is a medic, not a Vig. And as far as I can tell you're the only one who thinks DocH is Ra's Al Ghul.

Poison Ivy might be a medic or a vig. Similar with Two-Face, who might be a Vig or a DT. Harley Quinn can be a Medic or Vig too.
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
February 09 2012 14:21 GMT
#1519
On February 09 2012 23:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 23:20 Toadesstern wrote:
I know EXACTLY what is going on with Palmar. Palmar knows EXACTLY what is going on with me. DocH knows EXACTLY what is going on with me but isn't able to catch the drift palmar did :p

So I shouldn't be worried? Are you sure?


no need to be worried right now. I'd say you might end up being his counterpart lol
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
February 09 2012 14:22 GMT
#1520
Well if Radfield is Batman, I don't particularly care. As long as he keeps posting the results of DT checks, it's fine. It would explain his apparent disinterest and the "soft" approach that he's taking. It's not something to waste a lynch on especially with all the potential gains from todays flip.
RIP Aaliyah
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