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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
February 08 2012 02:23 GMT
#781
im hush
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
February 08 2012 02:24 GMT
#782
being a medic, i need medic protection.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 08 2012 02:25 GMT
#783
what the fuck is this shit
mass claim is not an option fuck that
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Cyber_Cheese
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia3615 Posts
February 08 2012 02:25 GMT
#784
On second thought, Ico's filter hasn't got much in it.
Will reevaluate and get back to you guys.
##Unvote: Ico
The moment you lose confidence in yourself, is the moment the world loses it's confidence in you.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 08 2012 02:27 GMT
#785
Kurumi you're starting to intrigue me.

I actually can't reconcile whether you're just trolling me or scum, since some things you've said have made like 0 sense. Particularly, your stances on cyber cheese and layabout.

On February 08 2012 10:39 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 10:37 chaoser wrote:
On February 08 2012 10:33 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm not sure I like a CC lynch. It is pretty rare for a scum to post a plan guiding town's direction and generating discussion on day one. His thoughts about RG/Hugo don't really make much sense, but are they scummy? I haven't had a chance to read Sheth though, but I'll post again in a bit. If I don't like him, I'll try to suggest an alternate candidate (likely ico or kurumi).


LSB did it in the hammer game I just played in.

On February 08 2012 10:27 Kurumi wrote:
On February 08 2012 10:24 chaoser wrote:
Oh and he never puts any pressure at all on layabout.

I would like to lynch layabout or wherebugsgo. If we manage to do that, the other one dies during the Night.
Can You help me swing the lynch?


lol no. WBG isn't even CLOSE to looking scummy to me. layabout either. I just said tunkeg is scummy to me. Those are your two choices if you're trying to get me to switch. CC or tunkeg. Take your pick.

Go Sheth. WBG is soft-defending him like he isn't.
Also, meta.
WBG is a lot more aggressive as town, a little as mafia but. He's REALLY active, like, being always on.


I'm defending Sheth because I don't think a mafia member would receive so many votes so fast with no defense at all from anyone. IMO, scum are pushing this lynch.

Can you name one person (other than me) who has proclaimed a disapproval of the Sheth lynch? There's too many people on it too fast. You claim I'm bandwagoning, yet you completely ignore the half dozen or so people who bandwagoned Sheth.

Look at Sheth's filter from Responsibility:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=295384&user=62163&currentpage=2

For the first day or two Sheth literally does nothing. He apologizes a bit and the ramps up his activity later in the game (at a point after everyone else was completely inactive as well)

He received lynch attention from scum, kita. I remember because he was on my team and I recall kita and L both found sheth to be an easy push because he was the newest town player in that game (his only game as town, in fact.) I recall a short discussion in IRC and this post by kita in that game:

Well that's disappointing. I was hoping to hear a real case on someone from you GM. Are you sure you're not just trying to match your town meta by accusing me? -_-

I've been bringing up Sheth because he is the newest player and most likely to slip up from a random accusation. Go back in my history and I do this nearly every time. You accuse me of voting for someone who no one else is voting for, yet the vote was placed at the beginning of the day. Of course there wouldn't be any votes on him. That doesn't mean that is where my vote is going to stick by the end of the day. Yes, I've been prodding lurkers, but that's because its the people I find suspicious currently. I expect a lot more out of guys like Foolishness, BC and yourself.

As for the LSB lynch, I have to go back and read through the thread again. I'll comment once I'm done.


Kita straight up admitted (even in thread) that the reason he was pushing sheth was because sheth was new and likely to slip up.

This is similar to what has happened here, except people are bandwagoning him a lotmore than they did in Responsibility, because people in this game, on average, are a lot more retarded than the stacked list of names in Responsibility.

The simple fact is, right now I believe that Sheth is being pushed by mafia as an easy lynch. I strongly believe we should be getting the fuck off that train and focusing our efforts on other players.

As for the 'also, meta' part : what part of my play is consistent with scum meta?

How am I bandwagoning? How is bandwagoning part of my scum meta? (correct answers: I'm not and it isn't)

How does my inactivity make me scum and how is it part of my scum meta? (correct answers: it doesn't and it isn't)

How is "lack of aggressiveness" part of my scum meta? (correct answer: it isn't)

I've already explained my lack of activity; I've started school again and I'm more busy this semester, I've been having keyboard issues (so I don't post at school anymore) and my "lack of aggression" is just because I've been working on being less abrasive. Granted, it still comes through sometimes because I can't help but call people retarded when they just straight up do stupid shit.

On February 08 2012 10:36 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 10:34 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
On February 08 2012 10:23 wherebugsgo wrote:
I really like a Cyber_Cheese lynch right now, actually. I've been ignoring most of his posts because I generally do that when someone posts like he does. Every game so far I've simply assumed Cyber Cheese is bad, but he's played enough to know by now not to play like this as town. Look at the post above this one : it's a running theme for CC to post absolutely spineless posts, with distinct lack of opinion and contribution.

I don't think RG should get off the hook so easily for claiming DT, but it definitely is not a good idea to kill him today when the chance is very strong that he is just really terrible.

Also I love you chaoser. He's the only one in thread so far who's had the balls to say what he thinks.

Lastly, the sheth lynch: what I don't like is how fast his wagon picked up and how literally no one has defended him. His defense of himself has been rather poor, but having only played one town game, I can see him doing this if he were town. Ofc, I was scum when he was town, so perhaps I'm biased.

I want to hear thoughts on this wagon. Palmar, Radfield, Dr. H, chaoser: what do you make of sheth receiving so many votes so quickly?

##unvote

##vote Cyber_Cheese

This post seems strange for two reasons.
1) You didn't tunnel anyone yet? That's all I've ever seen you do as town.
2) For someone calling me out on 'spineless posts', you don't seem to be putting much effort into the accusation.

The funny thing is he thinks You're bad and ignored Your posts and said Your posts have nothing of substance without backing it up, then soft-defends Sheth calling him New Town for no reason, because a) Sheth played a lot of RL mafia
b) Then, he is not new to the concept of mafia
wait this might be a breakthrough
I might vote Sheth.


Yes, I ignored his posts just like I did in steamship. Guess what? CC was scum in that game and I was a retard for ignoring his posts just because they were bad. Same thing happened in PYP:I until we infiltrated his team and I shot his ass.

You accuse me of calling CC bad and scum based on nothing but that's all you've done all game. You're calling me scum based on nothing, you're calling layabout scum based on nothing, and you're accusing me of being scum and saying sheth is a good lynch based on me "soft defending him" when in reality you're doing the exact same thing with cyber_cheese.

Sheth has played one game on TL as town. How is playing RL mafia in anyway indicative of the kind of play that's necessary to build up experience as town in this game?


On February 08 2012 10:57 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 10:54 chaoser wrote:
On February 08 2012 10:52 Kurumi wrote:
Yes, I'd like You to vote Sheth.


Except before you said both sheth and CC were bad lynches, aka you thought they were townie. In like the last couple of minutes. What's with the change of mind?

I looked at the voting list once again and wbg posted with soft-defense of Sheth and voted CC using bullshit reason
"He looks bad town so he must be scum"
This is a terrible argument to lynch someone on. This is called bandwagoning.


So far, you've just been playing bad.

However, this post actually makes me think you might be scum.

To everyone else, this is why:

Kurumi for a while has just been calling me scum for no reason and then later says it's meta (with no real explanation other than activity and lack of aggression; both of which are inaccurate on meta grounds and not even constructed properly to begin with)

then, he accuses me of trying to lynch CC for being bad and soft-defending Sheth. And he says this is a bad argument and that I must die.

If you think I'm scum, Kurumi, why is it that at no point have you voted me?

Why is it that you haven't built a case? You just constantly seed doubt. It's like you're trying to undermine me.


This is actually the thing that I find scummy about Kurumi, but since he's generally this useless I have no idea what to think of it atm. Also barring some crazy vote switch Kurumi has no chance of being lynched today, so I'll have to leave it till tomorrow. Basically, what's scummy here is that Kurumi constantly seeds the thread with the idea that I'm scum but doesn't strongly back it up. Most tellingly, he doesn't back it up with a vote. This suggests to me he's just trying to make me look bad and doesn't actually believe I'm scum, which would imply he is scum.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 08 2012 02:30 GMT
#786
On February 08 2012 11:03 Kurumi wrote:
Look:
My strongest scum read is WBG.
He came to the thread, made Toad case, then changed his mind and made Schworz case making two people change their vote and basically say "I agree", when the discussion on this guy was pretty much dead and irrevelant. Then he goes for CC, again weak case and bullshit argument.
No big efforts and backed up by scummy people.
Also, his case on Toad was built on basis that Toad had seen nothing wrong with DrH, while WBG does not comment himself on the case.


this is all false.

My case on Toad was based on the fact that he had no opinions, not that he saw nothing wrong with Dr. H. At no point did I actually legitimately find Dr. H to be scummy, I just used that question as bait.

How does changing my mind make me scum?

Finally and most importantly:

If I am your strongest scum read,why the fuck is your vote on sheth?

Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 08 2012 02:31 GMT
#787
Maybe because it was too late to matter, WBG? Well, I am going to flip You during the night, so what's all the fuss?
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 08 2012 02:32 GMT
#788
When I hadn't time I needed to throw away my vote, so nuclear catastrophe did not happen, now I have time I put my vote where I think it should be.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
Liquid`Sheth
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States2095 Posts
February 08 2012 02:35 GMT
#789
I'm here for a second Kitaman, I have to play again soon though so whats up?
Team LiquidUnderneath it all they were really quite nice. They just got screwed up. Mostly by stuff that wasn't entirely their fault.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9244 Posts
February 08 2012 02:35 GMT
#790
mind posting your spreadsheet real quick?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 08 2012 02:36 GMT
#791
Look WBG:
10 votes are not on the main candidates, this is A LOT.
I have 2, from BM and Layabout
and Kenpachi voted Toad
These three people I expect to swap really soon.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 08 2012 02:36 GMT
#792
On February 08 2012 03:32 Kurumi wrote:
Im on a party , voting cyber cheese .



On February 08 2012 07:34 Kurumi wrote:
I am afraid because i have no time and my targets are not exactly the candidates Didnt look into sheth or cc too much is vote wbg if it would matter but it doesnt so i voted qualis because he is my strong scum read too



On February 08 2012 10:28 Kurumi wrote:
I think that neither Sheth or C_C are mafia.


On February 08 2012 10:57 Kurumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 10:54 chaoser wrote:
On February 08 2012 10:52 Kurumi wrote:
Yes, I'd like You to vote Sheth.


Except before you said both sheth and CC were bad lynches, aka you thought they were townie. In like the last couple of minutes. What's with the change of mind?

I looked at the voting list once again and wbg posted with soft-defense of Sheth and voted CC using bullshit reason
"He looks bad town so he must be scum"
This is a terrible argument to lynch someone on. This is called bandwagoning.


On February 08 2012 11:03 Kurumi wrote:
Look:
My strongest scum read is WBG.
He came to the thread, made Toad case, then changed his mind and made Schworz case making two people change their vote and basically say "I agree", when the discussion on this guy was pretty much dead and irrevelant. Then he goes for CC, again weak case and bullshit argument.
No big efforts and backed up by scummy people.

Also, his case on Toad was built on basis that Toad had seen nothing wrong with DrH, while WBG does not comment himself on the case.


fuck it, the double standards are way too much for Kurumi to be town.

1. says he's voting CC

2. 4 hours later says he didn't look into CC, would vote me if it mattered but it doesn't (wtf? so he knows a case on me would never fly?)

3. says neither sheth nor cc are mafia

4. tells people to vote sheth just because I defend him (yeah, that's a great reason to vote someone)

Oh btw Kurumi, here's a shitty meta argument for you being scum: you're not trolling

##unvote

##vote Kurumi
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 08 2012 02:37 GMT
#793
Also, compare Your defense of Sheth to my defense of Schworz.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
February 08 2012 02:37 GMT
#794
On February 08 2012 07:46 Jayjay54 wrote:
also, Opz?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305850&user=15805

two posts, one is totally nonsense and one softdefend for (blue) rG. Why is he lurking that hardcore? Get in here and post.


On February 08 2012 07:53 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2012 07:46 Jayjay54 wrote:
also, Opz?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305850&user=15805

two posts, one is totally nonsense and one softdefend for (blue) rG. Why is he lurking that hardcore? Get in here and post.


yeah opz is the same as hiro. I'd really like him to show up in here and post something. Heavy fos on him as well.
Not sure if I already mentioned him but since you did I remembered I wanted to do that as well :.
Anyways, he's not a valid option for today.

;-;

I didn't know you guys loved me this much....Srsly...I'm a hard ass later on...

Jaaaaaackal....Why does everyone mess with me when I don't post, but everyone leaves you alone?!
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 08 2012 02:38 GMT
#795
Three votes on me. Chaoser and Kita, I am waiting for Yours.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
February 08 2012 02:38 GMT
#796
EBWOP:

I GOTTA SWIM IN THE ICEY WATER....I'm probably gonna freeze to death guys....
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
February 08 2012 02:38 GMT
#797
On February 08 2012 11:37 Kurumi wrote:
Also, compare Your defense of Sheth to my defense of Schworz.


yours is shit and mine is actually articulated and thought out?

Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
February 08 2012 02:38 GMT
#798
I'm old and feebleminded.
Life can only kill you once.
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
February 08 2012 02:39 GMT
#799
The only way I can push Your case is to push it indirectly, thus trying to lynch the person You're defending, because I don't see how people are going to suddenly switch a lot of votes to someone while a lot are players from EU.
Kenpachi, I know You're typing my name in vote thread.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
Liquid`Sheth
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States2095 Posts
February 08 2012 02:39 GMT
#800
Yea, nps Kita. I didn't realize this is allowed. Do I provide a link or ?
Team LiquidUnderneath it all they were really quite nice. They just got screwed up. Mostly by stuff that wasn't entirely their fault.
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