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Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
December 28 2011 12:42 GMT
#14
##Signup

Very interesting setup...

The 8.00 pm EST is New york time?
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
December 30 2011 22:14 GMT
#55
Nice, i'm in and so hyped! =)

Game on!
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
December 30 2011 22:47 GMT
#61
In order for the Demonic Concealer to use the conceal day action, submit to ZBot a PM with ##Conceal. If you do not wish to use your conceal day action during a particular day, submit ##Don't Conceal. The last valid PM sent to ZBot before the lynch occurs will be used. Remember that the lynch occurs instantly once a player has a majority of votes.


Do you need to send a PM every night? Even the nights you don't want to use conceal? Or is it only if you have already PM'd in a conceal and then change your mind that you need to ##Don't Conceal?
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 02 2012 06:23 GMT
#93
On January 02 2012 12:03 gonzaw wrote:
Oh, I'd like an Observer QT too.

That's the QT where outsiders and dead players discuss who they think is scum and stuff right?


Correct.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 03 2012 07:35 GMT
#99
Zona has abandoned us! Oh no!

(Game starts when?)
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 04 2012 08:46 GMT
#128
Game on!

This setup scares the living shit out of me. So many nuances to keep track of. Anyway...

I agree that Angels appear to be strongest in the beginning with 1/2 KP. But what haven't been mentioned is that Angels can kill the demon for us aswell. If we lynch Angel of Death and Angelic Acolyte we will have to lynch/Demon hunter the Demons. Since I don't know the Demon hunter or how good that person is, he could just aswell kill 3 town people the first 3 nights which of course would not be very favourable for us. It basicly means we would need to do more correct lynches while having a good demon hunter that don't fuck us over with continously town kills.
Demons also have the Twist ability which basicly makes one (1) of their members immune to night actions, rendering the demon hunter to be less useful.

What i wanted to point out that even if we get 3 correct Angel lynches (unlikely) the first 3 nights. The demons are equally capable to fuck us over. That is why I think that killing any angel or demon is good. Not one over the other. If we knew which angel or demon, it would be a different matter.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 04 2012 08:48 GMT
#129
Edit: We would of course need to slay all 3 angels before town had to deal with demons themselves. Not only Death and Acolyte.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 04 2012 09:18 GMT
#141
On January 04 2012 17:56 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2012 17:46 Dirkzor wrote:
Game on!

This setup scares the living shit out of me. So many nuances to keep track of. Anyway...

I agree that Angels appear to be strongest in the beginning with 1/2 KP. But what haven't been mentioned is that Angels can kill the demon for us aswell. If we lynch Angel of Death and Angelic Acolyte we will have to lynch/Demon hunter the Demons. Since I don't know the Demon hunter or how good that person is, he could just aswell kill 3 town people the first 3 nights which of course would not be very favourable for us. It basicly means we would need to do more correct lynches while having a good demon hunter that don't fuck us over with continously town kills.
Demons also have the Twist ability which basicly makes one (1) of their members immune to night actions, rendering the demon hunter to be less useful.

What i wanted to point out that even if we get 3 correct Angel lynches (unlikely) the first 3 nights. The demons are equally capable to fuck us over. That is why I think that killing any angel or demon is good. Not one over the other. If we knew which angel or demon, it would be a different matter.

Demon Hunter:
Show nested quote +
Each night, you may target a player other than yourself to attack.

Twister:
Show nested quote +
Any attempts to illuminate, slay, stalk, or observe that player will fail.

Doesn't make any mention of attack (nor of sense). Demon hunter should be good to go on any twisted demons.


Oh right. My bad. Thx for clearing that up.

Oh and by the way. Your whole discussion about sharing angel/demon strat or not is stupid. What Refallen wrote wasn't a strat it was obvious and its okay to post that. I think what HOD means is an elaborate strat that can't be countered by town - ei. a strat that will be advanced and give angels/demons a chance to win because town has no counter.

A strat like:
X angel kill A town with powers, then claims that he was in purgatory so Y Angel can say blah blah

right?
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 04 2012 09:22 GMT
#144
Hehe... I must admit I didn't think that strat through. It kinda just came to me while writing
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 04 2012 09:32 GMT
#147
Well.. Not really. If what is posted is obvious or filler its okay. But handing a well thought out strat to Demons/Angels is bad.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 04 2012 09:43 GMT
#150
Thats an easy way to lurk... O_o
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 04 2012 09:48 GMT
#152
But how can i read is any other way than a horrible excuse to not post until later. Why not write "I'm flying Home/away/whatever with no internet during the trip. Should be able to post when i Arrive at [Time]"

because the other way everyone can just post a timestamp...
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 04 2012 10:52 GMT
#155
On January 04 2012 15:57 Blazinghand wrote:
Also, due to the secret vote, vote count analysis isn't available, which makes me feel somewhat at a loss. I think we'll have to hold people accountable to what they say, since we can't hold them accountable to how they vote.


Where does it say that it is hidden? The only thing you can't see is when people voted. Zbot seems to post who voted who. If they are in order based on time I don't know, but you should be able to see who voted who.

Please correct me if I'm wrong here...
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 04 2012 14:18 GMT
#162
kite:
Verb. To fraudulently use dud or stolen cheques. E.g."I got some fantastic sportswear this morning, kiting in the precinct."
Noun. A person who passes dud or stolen cheques.


= Palmar is scum. Hows that for meta!
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 04 2012 14:29 GMT
#165
Day 1 seems to be longer then it should be? Zbot claims it ends in 3 days and 10h (aprox. as of writing) when the OP states:
Game timing:

If there are 15 or more players alive at the start of the day, the day will last at most 72 hours.
If there are 14 or fewer players alive at the start of the day, the day will last at most 48 hours.
Nights will last 24 hours plus the minimal amount of time necessary to allow it to end at 8PM EST.
Day deadlines are always at 8PM EST as well.

"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 04 2012 14:31 GMT
#166
On January 04 2012 13:15 Zona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2012 05:21 Blazinghand wrote:
From the acolyte description:
You are still in training to be angelic warrior, so you take great care in everything you do. But should the need arise, you are ready to do what you must. Every night, you may target a player to stalk. When you do so, choose one of: demon, corrupted town, or town with dark powers. If your target matches your choice, that player will be killed. If the Angel of Death has been eliminated, you may (instead of stalking,) target a player to slay. That player will be killed. You win with the angels.


Once there's no Angel of Death, are your kills "masked" like the Angel of Death's kills are? Or do people see the alignment and role of the people you kill?


Same question about the Angelic Observer as the last existing angel.

If you are the last remaining angel, you may (instead of observing,) target a player to slay. If the target is town and not the demon hunter, that player will be killed

Only the Angel of Death hides the role and alignment of those that are slain.


Read thread.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 04 2012 14:38 GMT
#168

Actually, we can use the banish ability offensively to determine the role of scummy player. If the slay ability is not used one nigth, then the banished (or the transported) player are very likely to be the angel holding the power of the death ray, and they should be priority target for investingation/future banishement. Therefore we can banish one of the player we think is an angel and see if the slay ability is used that nigth.

Note that if no corruption happens on even numbered nigths , its harder to conclude because Demons could have tried to corrupt an angel or the sage.


What if they target the player that is in purgatory? If Player A is in Purgatory and is targeted with Slay, he won't die. All we would know (from day posts) are that noone died from slay. Was it because Player A was targeted or is Player A the Angel of death?

Either way we can't conclude anything. It would be very suspicious if it happened several nights with the same player in purgatory. We could have gotten lucky either way: Having the AoD in Purgatory or the AoD targeted the player in Purgatory, but no way to know which.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 04 2012 20:45 GMT
#229
@Zephirdd

Right now i think both demons/angels wants to kill powerroles. Of course the roles that affect their faction. So both sides will be hunting blues and causing mislynch. Later however if only 1 demon remains, that demon will benefit from a strong town in taking down the remaining angels. My conclusion is that you can't say if the faction wants chaos or order (in town) because it depends on the situation that faction is in.

We have plenty of time left day1. Over 72 hours according to zbot (still confused over that, and noone responded to my earlier post?) so no reason to lynch anyone yet as others have pointed out.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 04 2012 20:54 GMT
#231
layabout I know where you are going with this and I agree. I'm all for lynching a lurker if nothing better appears.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 05 2012 08:47 GMT
#271
Whats worrying about Palmar and Erandorr is that they both showed that they have seen this and know they are playing.

Palmar wrote 1 trolling sentence and then nothing.
Erandorr wrote 2 trolling posts and then nothing - only 6 hours ago though.

RoL havent even posted yet.

"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 05 2012 10:40 GMT
#275
So according to Palmar the best way to continue a day 1 discussion is to shut people up and then not provide anything else to talk about?
With your post you closed, or tried to close, some of the topics that we have without providing anything of your own. Oh there was a question to someone but thats it... And thanks for defending me?

@Cwave

You take the post out of context. The posts before that was all focusing on how the angels seems to be strongest and we should focus on them. That was just plain wrong as i pointed out.

About nighttime: I've just found a difference between the OP and the actual end time of the day and can find no reason for this. I am still wondering how it came to be that way...
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 05 2012 16:28 GMT
#321
On January 06 2012 00:03 Cwave wrote:
Posted earlier that i believe that he leans to much towards the Angel/Demon question and tries to steer away from Angels being our only threath. I think that goes without saying so it's just fluff to look like contributing by him. That and the focus on when it becomes night. Got told by Palmar that means nothing but i don't agree with that!

Got any cases yourself yet Syllo which are worth sharing?


I know Palmar already asked this, but how am I different from BH, HoD or Refallen who all focused on Angels being the ones we should focus on. Especially Refallens post here:

On January 04 2012 16:52 Refallen wrote:
Finally started! Hype!

My first thoughts on the setup;

Obviously, I think the best way to go about this game is to focus on killing angels in the early game. Once we get rid of the acolyte, the seer has an infinitely easier job in cleansing corruption because we can actually claim if we got corrupted and not get targetted right now as we get closer to the late game lynching demons obviously becomes more and more important, but town would have a huge benefit if we can reduce angel KP early on in the game, as this has a building effect of letting more townies live = demon corrupt has less of an impact.


This post is way more Anti-Angel then my post is being Anti-demon.

From my post:
That is why I think that killing any angel or demon is good. Not one over the other.


Trying to build a case on me with reason(s) others have done worse. Scummy?
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 05 2012 17:02 GMT
#324
So since Cwave wants me dead i took a look at his filter.


On January 04 2012 19:54 Cwave wrote:
Wahee, the game started and i'm loving the potential dynamics of this game and my excel sheet is ready for it!

To continue on this strategy "discussion" that has started and wheter or not we should discuss this, i think as town we have too as its our only communication platform. Angels and Demons can discuss outside the thread so people hammering on the fact we shouldnt discuss strategy have it wrong in my opinion.
As its not relevant at the moment but will be after night one, i agree on the fact that claiming corruption means giving yourself on a platter to the acolyte unless our town sage illumanates you or channeler banishes you.

We also have a seer who in my opinion has the most important power of the game, namely the identification of angels! As of such, please don't roleclaim for now as mentioned in the pre-game discussion for with 3 factions in this game, 2 factions will instantly try to kill you.


Other thing, is there any way to see the vote count from the Zbot or do we only get a result when the majority happens?


His first post seems pretty townish. The thing that stands out is what i bolded. Why is the seer more important then say, the sage? The sage can also cleanse corruption aswell as finding demonscum whereas the sage can only find angelscum.

The only reason it stands out is because he targeted me because i pointed out that demons are just as big of a threat that angels are. Are you demon Cwave?
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 05 2012 17:06 GMT
#325
@layabout

Maybe that sentence didn't come out as it was meant. What i meant was that Refallen paints the Angels as a much bigger threat then I painted the demons to be. (For the record my first post was meant to make the demons just as much a threat as the angels)

And I agree with you. Angel or Demon lynches/kills are good either way. Which i also posted.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 05 2012 17:38 GMT
#329
@layabout

How is the statement that the setup scares me = me saying i think i'm bad? This setup is very interesting because it is not a straight up mafia game. It scares me becausei think its harder to figure stuff out...

and your 2nd quote of mine. Read the context and the strat (wasn't important how the strat went) that i actually posted and you will see that your point is completely useless.

And please lay, stop using spoilers when you are just making an extra sentence (inserted sentence? Mid sentence?) Don't know the english expression.

Edit before posting: Zerphirdd: I did NOT noob claim =(
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 06 2012 14:41 GMT
#479
Risk.nukes first post

Disregarding meta (i have nothing) his first post for me can be described like this: "Lets push ever so slightly on 3 different targets and lets see who bites." Shitty plan as a town - he later claimed that was his plan, but a perfectly good play for scum. Start a weak case and have someone else pick it up can carry it to mislynch. Rests of his posts are basicly fluff and useless. Oh and avoiding commiting on anything with excuses.

I dislike a lynch on Bluelightz. He have been active and trying to contribute. How his contributions have helped town can be discussed but I take that as bad play rather then him being scum. He is just a guy who saids what he wants in one sentence. =)

I'll take a look on Palmar/Wiggles case/counter-case soon.

@Cwave. You posted some time ago that you wanted to shoot me without reason. Still want to shoot me? But more importantly why?
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 06 2012 16:34 GMT
#495
Okay about palmar/Wiggles:

Wiggles filters contains a few "ARGH TEXT ALL OVER" posts but the only one with actual content is the case on Palmar. The rest are just generic play tips, setup talk and then a follow post to his case on Palmar.
About his case (clicky):
His case on Palmar is essentiel useless for me because it's all based on meta. He basicly ask me to trust him and vote on palmar because he gets a different feeling from palmar then he usually does.

When i read palmars defence the case just fall apart. Wiggles either lied on purpose or didn't read the thread/palmars filter. Considering Palmar had 1½ page of filter at the point of the case it would be hard to miss something that obvious. I mean it was in a post by itself and he pointed out the whole conversation with Bluelightz which that post was a part of.


In Palmars filter i fail to find anything that i would really find scummy. Again I can't take a meta-plastic-bag over his head so i just look at the actual content. He discusses and press bluelightz to give an answer that isn't evasive. I don't find anything that screams town to me either.

Out of the two i would rather see Wiggles hang as of now. One of the main points of Palmars case on Wiggles is that Wiggles is better then making such a case on Palmar (meta - i don't know), however the points about intentionally lying however are spot on and very discriminating for wiggles.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 06 2012 16:56 GMT
#502
On January 07 2012 00:51 syllogism wrote:
While I consider palmar the better lynch out of wiggles/palmar, I don't think it's a good idea to lynch palmar today. We've other very good lynches available, it's a setup with 6 scum and he is very likely to become more transparent the longer the game goes on if he is scum or dead if he is town.

I'll probably narrow the list down but I would like to keep the lynch between erandorr/risk/tyrran/refallen. Out of those erandorr appears to be by far the safest lynch and the only reason I haven't been actively pushing him as the #1 lynch was to give him more time and because it's pretty disappointing if he again decided not to play due to rolling scum.


While I agree that palmar/Wiggles aren't our best lynch option, why would you rather hang Palmar? Meta? Because i feel that Wiggles case is bad. Whether it is intentionally to push an agenda or just bad i don't know.

About your other targets I find risk the most scummiest.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 06 2012 17:15 GMT
#505
Because you and Tyrran are null to me where Risk i'm leaning a bit on the red side due to his first post.

You have basicly not posted anything of worth and all of tyrrans (few) posts are neither town or scum to me.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 06 2012 18:49 GMT
#518
Syllo why are you cherrypicking what question you answer?! Question!
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 07 2012 13:10 GMT
#607
Also the fact that he don't like to lynch off meta, but Wiggles case is all meta and is solid. wat?
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 07 2012 15:25 GMT
#623
I just read through Risk, erandorr and tyrrans filter. I dislike Risk's the most.

I wouldn't mind lynching any of the 3 since they are all useless.

##Vote Risk

(also i feel bad for erandorr being lynched on his birthday )
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 07 2012 15:52 GMT
#626
I know he wont be lynched - yet.

I agree with you syllo. thats why i looked at the top 3 guys to try to find the best one to lynch. In my opinion thats risk. His first post seemed rehearsed and his "case" on bluelightz made no sense. Playing carefree is a town trait.

He don't want to lynch palmar because he is palmar (wat?). That a horrible reason to not lynch someone and not something we need further down the line. Later he claims that he is leaning red on palmar... You think he is scum and you won't lynch him?

His defence so far have been almost nothing:
On January 07 2012 11:00 risk.nuke wrote:
Slowly and steadily I'm beeing raised to the top, scumagenda *cough*



"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 07 2012 19:15 GMT
#644
On January 08 2012 04:13 layabout wrote:
My chief weapon is surprise, surprise and fear, fear and surprise..
My two weapons are fear and surprise and ruthless efficiency..
My three weapons are fear and surprise and rutherless efficiency and an almost fanatical devotion to the pope!
Four, no Amongst my Weapons.. Amongst my weaponry are elements such as fear and -
I will post again..

Happy birthday Erandorr! care to spent some of it here?


Wat?
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 07 2012 20:28 GMT
#661
@Cwave

I'll take a shower. While i do that, do you mind telling me why i smell?

@Jackal

We're not lynching palmar today. Get over it. We all notice that you think he is scum but what else have you done beside saying he is scum?
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 07 2012 21:10 GMT
#669
On January 08 2012 05:51 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 05:28 Dirkzor wrote:
@Cwave

I'll take a shower. While i do that, do you mind telling me why i smell?

@Jackal

We're not lynching palmar today. Get over it. We all notice that you think he is scum but what else have you done beside saying he is scum?

Why not? He your scum buddy too? And I'll ask the same of you. Reading your filter is a lot like reading nothing.


I dont know what palmar is. But him saying i'm town is not buying him any credit. All I say is we can't lynch him today - at least i think a vote switch is unlikely to happen at this point so i see no reason to start hunting him. That and I honestly believe there are better targets. Like risk - whom I think i have explained why I dislike.
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 07 2012 22:05 GMT
#680
Since the deadline is in little under 3 hours I would say that within 3 hours is a good time to lynch. O_o
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 07 2012 22:06 GMT
#681
Syllo how is your stance on palmar now?
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 07 2012 22:43 GMT
#690
I'll rephrase.

Have palmars activity in the end of day 1 changed you stance on him? And no I don't expect hourly updates but I don't ask questions unless i'm interested in the answer.

Reason i ask is i feel palmar changed gears somewhere mid day 1.
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 07 2012 23:13 GMT
#697
What do you want me to say? Bye? I'm just waiting for night post..
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 07 2012 23:15 GMT
#700
I've said earlier I'm all for lynching Erandorr but you have done nothing to convince me/us. Instead you have given a halfhearted defence...
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 07 2012 23:25 GMT
#710
Well i can't keep myself awake any longer... Off to bed.
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 08 2012 12:41 GMT
#861
What the F*** happened? Late switch? Why?

Syllo you came out looking REALLY bad after this. Your reason for pushing Erandorr so late is bullshit.

We had people on erandorr/risk. I believe something like 4/7. Then you post this:

On January 08 2012 08:32 syllogism wrote:
How many do we have around? I'm fine with switching to erandorr, I'm virtually certain that erandorr is scum and only very convinced that risk is


Why switch so late if you are _very_ convinced about risk? Is that not good enough? I understand that you can find some people more scummy then others, but why wait until 1½ hour before deadline to try an switch?

On January 08 2012 08:45 syllogism wrote:
I haven't been pushing the meta case against Erandorr, but he really wouldn't play like this as town. He even signed up for TL mafia L so he isn't burned out or busy; he just loathes playing as scum. In election mafia he hydraed with curu and refused to post at all due to rolling scum. Yesterday he lied about being sleepy, while I know he had been and still was playing dota 2 and kept playing for at least an hour after making the post (I went to sleep by that point). Such pure meta cases are annoying to push and I thought the case against risk was better in terms of it actually constituting as "playing mafia". But erandorr really can't be town


Your reasoning here looks okay, but if you had already made up your mind about not pushing him because it was all meta-based why change so late? You even say that the risk case is/was better - this was after his defence. Why would you make chaos on purpose to switch from a guy that you find scummy to a guy you find more scummy? I don't get it.

On January 08 2012 09:28 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 09:22 layabout wrote:
On January 08 2012 09:08 syllogism wrote:
On January 08 2012 09:06 layabout wrote:
last minute non-justified swapping?
fuck you guys

He is going to flip scum, don't worry

some concerns:
-risk nuke had 9 votes and bluelighz game him a time limit before he would hammer, i don't see what risk.nuke has done to justify a switch.
-I am okay with an Erandorr lynch but i am more confident in an risk.nuke lynch
-TL Mafia XLVIIIn this game Erandorr was scum and he ran for major and was active towards the end of day1 so i am not % sure of meta, i will check more games though.
-This situation is becoming chaotic and i don't think that that is beneficial to town.
-Scum could very easily control who gets lynched

We can switch back, I do agree that last minute switches are awful. I may be too easily fooled by the fact risk is willing to stay here and defend, despite the fact he isn't saying anything useful at all.


You only post that can be called a reason to switch that late. But at the same time you said risk wasnt saying anything usefull - so i assume you did not like his defence or his posting.

Other then that you just pushed people to change:
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 08 2012 08:35 syllogism wrote:
risk.nuke please vote erandorr so we can switch if we want, you have to pm the bot, read the OP for instructions

On January 08 2012 08:53 syllogism wrote:
Palmar why won't you switch? Will you switch if we can get enough?

On January 08 2012 09:05 syllogism wrote:
First of all RoL you aren't voting for anyone right now, read the instructions for voting. Pm the bot:

to: zbot
subject: purgatory
body: ##Vote Erandorr



And I'll end with this:

On January 08 2012 09:08 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 09:06 layabout wrote:
last minute non-justified swapping?
fuck you guys

He is going to flip scum, don't worry

"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 08 2012 12:55 GMT
#867
I might be stupid... but with a 2 team setup they could both _not_ be on your team. I can just not find any real reason for you to switch unless risk's defence convinced you or Erandorr did something to enhance his case. Neither of which happened.

I realized you have pointed towards risk the whole day and criticized his first post. It only enhanced my question: Why the change?
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 08 2012 13:02 GMT
#869
I'm looking through Cwave's filter.

He looks fishy. Not only for saying he thinks i'm scum several times with the only reasoning is a weak ass "case" about my first post and because It found a difference in the OP and Zbot vote count post. But more so because he havent said anything else the entire first day. He have spend the entire day 1 pointing out the obvious:
RoL arent posting,
Jackal have done nothing but hate palmar (But i must admit i found his post on Jackal amusing =))

He haven't taken a stance on anything and voted Erandorr with the reason that he is lurking.

I'll keep an eye on him...
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 08 2012 13:09 GMT
#870
You made chaos when no chaos was needed. I agree that both were a good lynch target so we don't disagree there, but i wouldn't start a vote switch that late if i thought both were scum. I don't assume you are scum because i don't know what you are. I'm just trying to understand why you wanted to change... If you are town a late night switch was a bad choice - even if you thought Erandorr was scummier. (Had you thought risk was town or changed your mind after his defence it would have been another matter)

I realise that you aren't the only one who pushed for the switch and I'll look into them aswell.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 08 2012 19:16 GMT
#899
This plan seems like it ties up a lot of our resources. If we only get 4 blue claims the channeler will have to banish in order to protect those 4. The one getting banished won't be able to do their job while there is still a 75% chance (assuming demons don't transport one of them) for the angels to kill blue. (actually higher because they can slay + stalk where they know exactly what to guess)

So even if we get 4 confirmed townies they will die to fast.

Nah I don't like it.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 08 2012 19:18 GMT
#901
On January 09 2012 04:06 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2012 04:01 Palmar wrote:
yeah, this needs to be done now, or not. I'd rather go with not.

This is palmar scum claiming. He has been trolling for a while now but this is as close at is gets


If I had written that would you take that as scum claiming?
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 08 2012 19:45 GMT
#905
See, all i have is your word for it.

But i guess we can lynch him and if he flips town we lynch you...
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 08 2012 20:02 GMT
#911
Oh I love your cases Jackal. Oh well thought out and in depth they are.

/Sarcasm end
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Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 08 2012 21:31 GMT
#926
Hokay. Finally something i can actually respond to. Why would I defend palmar if we are on the same team? Especially when several people already want to lynch him. The chance for palmar to get lynched are relativly high as I see it, so if he flips scum and i defended him I could just aswell have voted to lynch myself.

I'm very unsure about palmar at the moment and i have yet to see a case which is not "This is not Town palmar". Besides that there aren't really anything against him. I don't know the meta on you guys so i have no clue. Thats why i asked syllo a few times about his opinion on palmar.

What does strike me about palmar is that he shifted gear mid day 1. He posted a lot more and became more agressive after being called out on not doing exactly that. The case wiggles made kinda fell a part because wiggles lied (intentionally or not, that was one of the few parts that were not meta).

Which leaves me with a null read on palmar.

And i don't see how my argument against syllo is stupid. If he knows him aswell as he saids then there are 2 possibilities if Palmar flip town:
1) Syllo don't know him as well as he thought
2) Syllo lied and he is scum.
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 08 2012 22:06 GMT
#931
I don't like his last few posts. I just feel that either syllo, palmar or jackal are scum. (or 2 of the 3) on the account on how they interact.

But I'm way to tired now to try to figure out who.
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Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 09 2012 11:19 GMT
#1011
So i guess you were right syllo. Good job =)

I found risk's claim really weird aswell. His first statement "I'll claim just before deadline" was weird alone but combine that with a claim when no one else have claimed (besides HoD) just makes me suspicious. Its like he don't want to be attacked for promising one thing and doing another.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 09 2012 11:32 GMT
#1013
I don't think Risk is a bad lynch target. But I wouldn't mind hitting Cwave.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 09 2012 11:37 GMT
#1015
Actually:

##Vote Cwave

Either he is scum with palmar or he is a townie with a bad read (on me).
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 09 2012 18:30 GMT
#1051
On January 09 2012 11:36 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2012 11:30 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah I wouldn't put too much importance on Palmar's list there spaackle.
Also I'm going to assume that Palmar was the person that put you in purgatory HoD. It just makes more sense for the Channeler to protect syllo.

It makes more sense for Palmar to protect a teammate than to try to block a blue. I think Palmar sent Syllo to purgatory.
Is anybody corrupted?


You still think syllo is on palmars team? If yes, so you think I'm on that team aswell? Because thats a crap theory. You just think i'm palmars scumbuddy because he called me town several times the first day - or?

I don't want to lynch Cwave. I wanted him to think for himself! + Show Spoiler +
On January 08 2012 22:02 Dirkzor wrote:
I'm looking through Cwave's filter.

He looks fishy. Not only for saying he thinks i'm scum several times with the only reasoning is a weak ass "case" about my first post and because It found a difference in the OP and Zbot vote count post. But more so because he havent said anything else the entire first day. He have spend the entire day 1 pointing out the obvious:
RoL arent posting,
Jackal have done nothing but hate palmar (But i must admit i found his post on Jackal amusing =))

He haven't taken a stance on anything and voted Erandorr with the reason that he is lurking.

I'll keep an eye on him...
And that he have. Within the last ½ day he have provided not 1, but 3 post with original thoughts. Thats more then he have done before. And the fact that his conclusions are okay (well not one about AoD, but he already pulled that one back) he actually comes out looking good.


It was a pure pressure vote and it worked.

Also i noted that Tyrran came after me. Totally justified since all I did was voting for Cwave with no real reason. But having in mind that he knows he is already under suspicion he wants to find another target.

Lastly I want to look at this post:
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 09 2012 21:16 Refallen wrote:
Well I decided to take a look at Cwave since Dirk is voting for him.

Cwave

Show nested quote +
We also have a seer who in my opinion has the most important power of the game, namely the identification of angels! As of such, please don't roleclaim for now as mentioned in the pre-game discussion for with 3 factions in this game, 2 factions will instantly try to kill you.


Ok, weird role to choose the most important power of. Unless you're a demon.

Show nested quote +


I think this is a good hypothetical question to answer.
One everyone should answer!

Dikrzor for me at the moment.

For you Palmar & Syllo, who would you pop right now if you had to?

Show nested quote +

On January 08 2012 05:17 Palmar wrote:
I don't have all night risk.nuke

Cwave, what do you think about risk? Do you think his plan was reasonable?


What plan do you mean?

On January 06 2012 12:45 risk.nuke wrote:
I don't want to lynch palmar because first of all he is Palmar and secondly he seems to be missing.
Why should we lynch the (imo) best player in the game in a 2 mafia team setup day 1.


Not too bad of a plan since you do tend to create good ripples in the water. And with ripples comes information.

Or this one?


Buddying with Palmar, possible scumbuddies? The exchange about risk.nuke and his plan sounds especially contrived.

Show nested quote +
@ Risknuke. 6 voted on you at the moment and it seems 5 people haven't voted yet, including myself.

Other then your defense that you "got annoyed with meta in the face", any reason i shouldn't vote you?
Seems such a waste to hang someone like you for information as suggested by other people in here.

While i await your asnwer im parking my vote on Erandorr. Main reason is this post which puts Erandorr along side RoL for me in terms of bad/useless.


##VOTE: Erandorr


Not wanting to vote risk.nuke?

I'm going to say that if we lynch risk.nuke and he flips demon, Cwave is most probably the last one.




The first point he makes is the exact same one i made earlier.

How is asking and answering Palmars question buddying up to him? I fail to see that. And the part about risk's plan Refallen actually cut the end of the post from Cwave where he answered the question from Palmar. Palmar never clarified which plan he was talking about - it was kinda obvious what he meant but it could also easily be misunderstood if cwave just went through risk's filter looking for a plan.

Last Refallen conclude that if Risk is demon Cwave must be too. While it is possible that palmar was bussing risk I find it unlikely. So Refallen is just trying to jump an easy wagon? His case just seemed forced as if he wanted Cwave to appear scummy because I already voted for him.

Either way I'm unvoting Cwave. That vote did what was intended.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 09 2012 18:35 GMT
#1053
On January 10 2012 03:08 layabout wrote:
Suspicious bastards:
risk.nuke
Refallen
Tyrran
Dirkzor
RoL
Jackal?

(there is town there but i think these players should receive heightened attention)


Why me? Because Jackal have been tunneling me? Because Cwave's bad case? Because i voted Cwave?
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 09 2012 21:06 GMT
#1073
On January 10 2012 04:30 layabout wrote:
@ Dirkzor You have made some anti-town suggestions you are under pressure
I really do not like the ##Vote Cwave, AHA i got you cwave! ##Unvote play
+you weren't on my Likey town list anyway
+what kind of respectable townie doesn't know monty python?

Not sure if i have time to come up with a detailed case today particularly as it's only the start of day2, and there are better candidates.
(thats means you risk.nuke)


In hindsight the vote on cwave might have been overkill on my pressuring of him, but nonetheless it forced the reaction i had hoped (from cwave and non-specific others)

I don't feel I have been under pressure yet (Jackal screaming scum does not count as pressure), but please point out where I made anti-town suggestions so i can stop doing that.

(I'm sorry about the monty Python thingy...)
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 10 2012 17:22 GMT
#1227
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

I had a really long post about RoL, Tyrran and Risk, then i closed the tab it was in on mistake =/. I don't want to write it again now.

The short version. RoL is a bad lynch, Risk is a good lynch, Tyrran is the best lynch.

I'm going to eat now and then i'll try to rewrite it.

@Lay want me to answer your antitown behaviour case? Just seems like we moved on to someelse and an answer to that would disrupt this discussion. I will if you, or others, want me to.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 10 2012 18:02 GMT
#1231
I figured that lay... And thanks.

On to write the post that disappeared... =/
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 10 2012 18:38 GMT
#1235
I think RoL is a stupid lynch. I think it was syllo who wrote that you have to consider why a person suggest a plan. I honestly believe that RoL think it is a good plan and that is why he is fighting for it so much. The plan is well thought out and well delivered. RoL seems to think the blues are dispossable for 4 confirmed townies leaving us with a 5/13 scum scenario instead of 5/17. I disagree and would rather go 5/17 with blue support.
I agree that he was inactive the first day serving us excuses, but thats about all he have done wrong if you disregard his plan and defence thereof.
I (still) think risk is a good lynch. I wanted him dead yesterday and i want him dead now. His defensive spirit does seems to have kicked in here on day 2 which puts him in good light, but the fact that during day 1 he basicly gave up makes it look like an act. He does have a point that no one have made a case against him since layabout's day1 (correct me if i have missed something)
Tyrran is the one I want to lynch most at the moment. I think he is on palmars team due to this:
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 04 2012 23:32 Tyrran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 29 2011 22:23 Palmar wrote:
yo

##Signup

If I get the angel with a wraithcannon, I'll make syllo disappear n1. that's a promise.



Show nested quote +
On January 04 2012 21:07 syllogism wrote:
We should probably lynch palmar today, he appears to be some sort of scum and hating his life right now


I dunno what's going on between these two, but we should just ignore this for now.
On January 06 2012 19:04 Tyrran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2012 11:14 Refallen wrote:
I'm thinking Jackal is town this game. At least, he appears to be taking a different route than on TLXLVIII when he was scum. Plus I don't think any scum would risk trying to outright lynch Palmar without a really detailed case.


I disagree with you here. From the few games I've read Palmar seems to be a efficient scum hunter.Bussing Palmar is therefore an good scum strat. Almost EVERY SINGLE one of Jackal post were attacking palmar. And he NEVER had more than 1 line of justification. He did not even refer to MrWiggles case. That is scummy play for me.

Also note that as there is 2 scum faction, they can perfectly both be scum, one angel and one demon. I'll be looking at both of them today. Palmar need to step up his game, and Jackal needs to start become useful.


He is defending palmar when there is no real reason to defend him. The first post compares a post pre-game to a post made in-game. In both posts he defends Palmar without really appearing to defend him.

He later changes his opinion on palmar. and in the same post call jackal scum and votes for erandorr. Combine this with palmars change of opinion on Wiggles a few hours earlier it appears suspicious. I don't think its unlikely that demonteam realized that palmar will get lynched/killed at some point soon. Palmar gives up lynching wiggles (no support at that time) and his teammates start bussing him.

In the end I'll just quote how Tyrran have taken no stance on anybody he have written a case on. Note: These quotes are cut, but they are all the last part of Posts by Tyrran.

So reffallen, can you please explain why you thought it is not optimal for angels to kill demons ? I dont see much drawback for them doing this. Also it's your turn to step and and post. Who do you think is most scum rigth now ?
You seems to hold a grudge against him because he called you fishy early day 1. Why do you focus so much on him, and not on Blazinghand who actually voted against you ?

On the other hand, i would also like to see you post more Cwave. You seems to have an excel file where you write your read on us. Tell me, who do you think we should lynch today, why ?
Cwave, you are someone who seems towns, but in reality you did not help much at all until now. While you migth be a timid town, I also think it is likely you are scum player. Please answer this : Is there anyone you really think is scum ? Someone you would be fine pushing for lynch ? Who ? Why ? You seem to spend a lot of time analysing people. Please prove us that you are town by trying to get scummy people lynched.
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 10 2012 18:51 GMT
#1237
Why end the day? No reason not to use the next 24 hours to discuss.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 10 2012 19:03 GMT
#1239
We can discuss other things then the actual lynch target. RoL's allignment seems in question at the moment.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 11 2012 14:06 GMT
#1317
On January 11 2012 21:30 Cwave wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Vote count for the Day 2 Lynch.

With 16 alive, 9 votes are required to lynch.

Current votes:
risk.nuke (7): Bluelightz, Refallen, -Bluelightz, syllogism, Bluelightz, Zephirdd, RebirthOfLeGenD, Grackaroni, Blazinghand
RebirthOfLeGenD (2): Blazinghand, Mr. Wiggles, Zephirdd, Spaackle, Cwave, -Zephirdd, -Spaackle, -Blazinghand
Tyrran (1): HarbingerOfDoom
Dirkzor (1): Jackal58
Cwave (0): Dirkzor, -Dirkzor

The Day 2 deadline is at January 12 2012 10:00 KST. (That's approximately 12:44:13 from now.)Last edit: 2012-01-11 21:15:47


No votes as of yet from
Dirkzor
layabout
Tyrran


Layabout made it clear he wants to vote on Risk, how about Dirkzor/Tyrran?
Who is your best lynch target as of today?


You stopped reading the thread? Maybe go re-read...

Seems like i forgot to vote when i last posted.

##Vote tyrran

I will come back before deadline and hammer Risk if needed but I still feel that Tyrran is a better lynch.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 11 2012 15:14 GMT
#1329
Syllo I don't think its a bad assumption that it was still you that was targeted by the AoD day 1. You still had palmar on your radar + labeled as one of the better players.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 11 2012 15:15 GMT
#1330
Edit: Night 1
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 11 2012 15:24 GMT
#1332
Yeah you're right. Him flipping demon would do nothing about angels KP usage. =/ But my other point is still valid. You are considered a good player and would be a good night 1 kill for any scum faction if you are town/other scum team.
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 11 2012 17:32 GMT
#1353
I find it funny that you have yet to spell my name (or any part thereof) correct

I also think that whatever I say or do for the rest of this game I won't convince you that I am not scum.

I don't think that Syllo is scum based on his filter but it has crossed my mind. Every time I come to a reason why he might be scum i re-think and find that scenario unlikely.
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 11 2012 17:39 GMT
#1354
Also, your logic is very weird Jackal. Why would i vote Risk the entire day 1 and not erandorr if risk was my scum mate? So your logic that I today did not vote for risk because we are team mates is - again - weird.

At the time i Voted i did not know that risk had 9 votes. I voted Tyrran due to my post on the 3 targets most likely to get lynched today: RoL, Tyrran and Risk
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 11 2012 20:06 GMT
#1368
On January 12 2012 04:56 syllogism wrote:
And yes, he was completely disinterested in the lynch on day 2. That seemed particularly damning; I even had to ask him 3 times until I got his opinion on Tyrran out of him and even then the answer was
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I don't think I'm willing to lynch him just yet. But that could change, I'm not going to say I can't be talked into lynching him so he can just lurk the entire day safely.



That Risk wrote that made him less suspicious in my book then Tyrrans "Yes risk is scum lets lynch him" post. Tyrran just wanted another one to be lynched while risk actually took a stance. A stance that was also contradicting to the generel feeling in the thread. That is to me more townie then what Tyrran did.
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 12 2012 07:35 GMT
#1390
On January 12 2012 05:25 Tyrran wrote:
@Dizkor : People makes a case of me being inactive and not interested and you see me scum while refering to a post where i say who i think we should lynch. That makes a lot of sense.


The only time you have taken a difinitive stance on anybody was when you voted on Erandorr, and even then it was a mishmash of thought on 3 different people. The fact that the vote ended on Erandorr seemed random. All other posts you have made on people have ended with no conclusion and a lot of questions.
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 12 2012 15:55 GMT
#1400
On January 12 2012 19:32 Bluelightz wrote:
I'm back now!

(no post in between)
On January 13 2012 00:42 Bluelightz wrote:
I'm gonna sleep now guys gonna make a case on someone when i get back from school


Wat?

We don't need to know when you are here or not. We need you to contribute when you are here.
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 12 2012 19:17 GMT
#1424
Blazinghand, I think your case is bad. We can agree that RoL have been useless but so have others. The only real argument you have is that he proposed his plan deliberatly to hurt town which I find unlikely.

His reasons for not pushing the plan now is actually quite pro-town in my book since it would just hinder other discussion. And he may have different ways of pushing his case then posting the same thing over and over *cough* BH *cough*.

Either way, I have written it before and I'll do so again. I think RoL is a bad lynch. I would like to see him scumhunt soon though.
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 12 2012 19:27 GMT
#1430
Why is the roleclaiming plan better during night then it is during the day? It makes no real difference. I think it would be the other way around because the claiming could give us a good lynch target (The contradicting blues or one of the VT if only 4 blue claimed)

About whether the blues only should claim. Hmm... It wouldn't really make a difference if town decided to actaully do the plan, since everyone who did not claim bluerole would be VT. During the time where not everyone had claimed it would have made a difference yes, but not such a big deal that it paints him as the big red target that you make him out to be.

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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 12 2012 19:43 GMT
#1432
On January 13 2012 04:29 Blazinghand wrote:
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On January 13 2012 04:27 Dirkzor wrote:
Why is the roleclaiming plan better during night then it is during the day? It makes no real difference. I think it would be the other way around because the claiming could give us a good lynch target (The contradicting blues or one of the VT if only 4 blue claimed)

Um, look dude the issue is that chance are the AoD's gonna do a masked kill tonight, right? After a masked kill RoL's plan no longer works. This is his last chance to push it.

Where has he been?



You kinda pointed out that the time to roleclaim was now during the night. What i meant was that it doesn't matter if we roleclaimed on day 2 or night 2. The difference is that it would have been better to roleclaim day 2 so we had an extra lynch. And he stopped pushing for the plan when almost everyone said it was a bad idea.

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On January 13 2012 04:27 Dirkzor wrote:
About whether the blues only should claim. Hmm... It wouldn't really make a difference if town decided to actaully do the plan, since everyone who did not claim bluerole would be VT. During the time where not everyone had claimed it would have made a difference yes, but not such a big deal that it paints him as the big red target that you make him out to be.



The issue here is that he spent 3 days thinking of his plan and doing nothing, and claims he's solved the setup, when he hasn't, and it's not even the best version of his plan. I didn't spend 3 days thinking of his plan and that's a fairly obvious flaw in it.

And if his plan comes off in a half-banked manner like it did this time? And a couple VTs claim, but no blues? scumteam gets hella info. Doesn't that seem like a porblem for you?



Yeah it is a problem if only VT claimed. That would have been bad. But people aren't stupid, so unless town agreed-ish to do this no one would claim unless they were/are morons. Risk claimed, and i think he did so partly for the reason he wrote and partly because he know if was a potential lynch target. Everyone else would not have claimed unless town agreed to do so. So yes the idea to make VT claim was faulty by it self, but the logic i just pointed out would have been made by anyone with half a brain. So thats why i think its unlikely he proposed his plan to deliberatly pull out VT's.

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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 13 2012 15:52 GMT
#1560
Jackal.. Have you forgotten me? I was so used to your devoted attention!

Assuming Wiggles was town, and i assume that, it puts more pressure on RoL. That was the last person that Wiggles talked about (and attacking me about). Combine that with a wall-of-text case that is actually not very big in terms of content I see RoL as more scummy then before he started scumhunting. His case is just not good, its just long so it appears to be good/solid. Long is not always better.
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 14 2012 17:07 GMT
#1719
Okay... I'm severely hung over and that limits my ability to think right now... And read... And comprehend... And even sitting up is hard...

The way I see it is that HoD and RoL is both a lynch i can support.

RoL for his passive play and his really long post on BH which actually didn't say much. And why does he keep the argument with BH instead of just posting more analysis? He complaints about BH taking all his time, well then don't answer him - or answer in a way that ends the discussion - and post analysis instead. I don't consider his plan-suggesting as scummy as others but i think i made that clear earlier.

HoD for his implication during the nightactions. Is he the AoD? Maybe. The post that Wiggles made that syllo quoted is a really good catch by syllo. Wiggles basicly says in a round about way that there is no way that RoL is demon. The way it was written implied that he knew something others did not. Comebine this with this from day 1 from Wiggles:

P.S. RoL is a good shot for the Demon-hunter right now, as well as the Acolyte (If he's not on your team, that is).


So if Wiggles was Sage it would have made sense for him to target RoL. This means that his claim looks worse.

So why wait with lynching HoD? We can send him to purgatory and if we get no ??? kill we got our AoD. That is a plan that CAN NOT fail since banish it done before slay, so even if the acolyte hits our channeler the plan worked.

What do we end up doing if HoD is not the AoD? Lynch him anyway? If that is the plan we might aswell lynch him now. Or do we look at it when that time comes?

My vote is saved for RoL, but I'll do it later as to not open up for hammer possibilities.
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 14 2012 21:45 GMT
#1752
I'm reading... And doing the same as syllo.
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 14 2012 21:51 GMT
#1757
I'm wondering why Zephirdd is constanly saying that he don't trust his own reads and at the same time is 100% sure that spaackle is scum...
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 14 2012 22:04 GMT
#1780
Assuming:
- RoL is channeler (= town)

Then we can assume that he thought his plan was good and would work.

Then why claim VT at the end of his plan? He could just erh.. not claim and wait until town agreed to do the plan then claim channeler.

I think its a last ditch effort to derail the lynch...

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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 14 2012 22:04 GMT
#1785
ill vote aswell
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 14 2012 22:07 GMT
#1790
How could you come out of that looking like a good townies with a VT claim first and then claim Channeller afterwards? Makes no sense to me. Easier just to not claim until you get a feel for how the town react to the plan
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 14 2012 22:09 GMT
#1796
How anti climatic... But yeah doesn't really matter. Also we agree that HoD goes to purgatory i assume?
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 15 2012 17:55 GMT
#1832
Well if we don't get any banish tonight we know that either Wiggles or RoL was channeler - and I'm leaning Wiggles.

If we get a banish, we know RoL lied and can with almost certainty say that RoL was scum. Then if HoD gets banished and we get no ??? Kill we kill HoD.

If we don't get any banish we can still lynch HoD, but that might not be the best way depending on what else happens...
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 15 2012 21:41 GMT
#1851
I'm wondering why Demons decided to Conceal this lynch.
If we assume that they didn't have the time ti change from a conceal to a non-conceal due to the fast hammering of RoL they wanted to hide HoD alligment. Why? Demons don't know if he is the Sage or not, only the angels know, unless HoD are a demon. Or they might just have done it to make even more chaos in this god forsaken town.

Demons don't want the town in even more chaos then it is since they already lost 1 demon and angel can only die with lynches. So it must have been something they wanted to hide about HoD.

To conceal RoL's lynch just doesn't make sense since he claimed channeler so we would know if his claim was correct at some point.

Im just confused... and this is all just WIFOM.. (Using that buzz word correct?)
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 15 2012 21:53 GMT
#1854
On January 16 2012 06:25 layabout wrote:
The only other person to vote tyrran was Dirkzor, i wonder why... (it was his argument you were using)


Is that a round about way of calling me scum for voting the person i found the most scum while in the same post saying I would hammer the current target before deadline if needed?

On January 16 2012 06:46 layabout wrote:
Thanks for helping to keep discussion alive Dirkzor!


Sarcasm?
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 15 2012 22:02 GMT
#1857
Okay then I'll try another topic if you want something to discuss.

Why have no one really pushed the thought that Jackal is horrible this game? I did not want to bring it up since he is tunneling me, but he have done jack shit this game. Why aren't anyone pushing him? Why isn't Syllo after him?

I'm really curious who dies this night as I think it will make things clear for me. As of right now I think we are looking all the wrong places...
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 15 2012 22:13 GMT
#1859
Lay I read your case. But I'm not convinced until I see the day post. There is just so much info to be had that I think speculating about HoD allignment before day post is silly.

Will he be banished? If yes, is there a ?? kill. If no, is anyone else? Is no one?

If there is a ?? kill who died? And who did our DH hit?

Until those question have been answered I won't know who i want to lynch.


I will read your case again and comment on it.
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 15 2012 22:39 GMT
#1861
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2012 03:55 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Some things to think about:
If the town seer claims after finding a single angel we have a 2/3 chance of reducing their kp, 2/3 chance of making it much safer to claim corruption, and a 100% chance of getting a lot of good information after the angel flips. There are no abilities in the game which make the reads come back incorrect. The angels also DO NOT have a roleblocking ability, so they then have to decide if they want to target the seer and risk missing a kp if the seer is sent to purgatory or leave him be. Obviously this becomes much riskier if we have already lost our channeler. I'd be interested to hear if other people think having the seer claim after their first angel find is a good idea as well.

The sage on the other hand probably shouldn't claim unless he has 2 demons identified. If he claims with only one identified, 0% chance of reducing kp or reducing the corruption ability, demons have a roleblock ability, angels can kill the sage to make demons a larger threat to town thereby reducing focus on them. Still gain information obviously, but overall seems like a much weaker play than the seer claiming after finding an angel.

The demon hunter is not only useful against demons. His attacks kill anything that isn't an angel....meaning if his target lives and wasn't sent to purgatory, he has successfully identified an angel. However, since he poses a significant threat to both angels and demons, I don't really see much of a reason for the demon hunter to ever claim, except perhaps to avoid a lynch if he fucks up and appears scummy. So please don't do that.

On Bluelightz:
I will go check out his filter in the newbie game to see what all the fuss is about.

On his 12th post he promises to read BL's filter.Everything else before this has been roles and setup-based speculation.
This kind of posting is really safe to make at the start of the game as he doesn't need to make a stance on anything.
Note the Bolded part.
Note that HoD claimed that Grackaroni was "not demon" when he claimed.
Not only is this a contradiction, but this time he didn't add a condition whereby what he is saying doesn't apply as he did in his first post.


I dont think i understand what you mean here. Care to explain what you meant by that?

The problem with such a long case as you just wrote is that the important stuff gets drowned in minor issues that may or may not be scum behavior.

The most important point you made was in the beginning of day 2 analysis:
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On January 08 2012 13:44 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Hmm, should have stayed on Tyrran I guess. Ah well, based on his effort so far in this game/in election mafia, nothing of value was lost (at least not beyond the worth of another warm body).

I'm still interested in Tyrran as a lynch target, and I would like to hear more people's opinions of him.

He starts out by saying he still think's Tyrran is a good lynch and wants other people to contribute their thoughts. He does not commit to saying why or making a strong case.
If you are town and you think a player should be lynched, is this how you would approach it?
Asking other people to offer opinions and then give yours?
What if you think they are really scummy and have reasons?
Wouldn't you provide them and give people a reason to focus on that player?
However if you are mafia then saying you find a player scummy but not saying why makes a lot of sense:
If people start to indicate that they also feel the player is scum you can hide amongst them and seem like a townie voting for a player they think is scum.
It allows you to claim that you started the case or that you had been pressuring the player should player question what you have been doing.
It allows you to back off and not bring it up again should you widh because you haven't committed any arguments as to why you think that.


He have pointed towards tyrran all game with no real case beside restating what i wrote in my case against tyrran (which is still stand by). He have been trying to push a tyrran wagon by constantly asking about him or stating that he finds him scummy.

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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 15 2012 22:47 GMT
#1862
For funzies i just counted Jackals postings about me. They are at 15, most of which he calls me scum and a few where he just want others to read my filter or something...

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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 15 2012 22:56 GMT
#1863
On January 16 2012 07:30 Tyrran wrote:
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On January 16 2012 06:02 Zephirdd wrote:
On January 16 2012 05:16 syllogism wrote:
If you are town, you should examine the wagon on you before you claimed and what people were saying. Actually I'm now reading it a bit and this is somewhat changing my view on things

OH ARE YOU?

Wanna know what happens when the DH shots someone and HoD was jailed? We lost a DT check for nothing because you made excuses for reasons for HoD's claim to be false. Demons will try to create a case over HoD as he is the one town they fear, and Angels will try to protect him because he is useful and any lynch that is not an Angel is excellent for them because that's the only way to kill Angels.

And ta-daa, you got the Angel connection you needed from me. But hey that doesn't matters, because tonight you will get your "Not Angel" read, syllo-seer, but that probably doesn't matter as well because if Angels have half a brain they realized you are the Seer last night from your "I DUN WANNA DIE" thing. BAM Acolyte on you, AoD on someone else, DH on Spaackle(hopefully) and suddenly Angels won the game because town will look at this and lynch me and HoD.

I swear I wish I was Angel, because this game is so fucking easy for them right now. I don't even wanna begin on the fact that many of your actions also make sense if you were a Demon, even though I can't see you as Demon after the Palmar shit.


I still find it hard to understand why can't you believe that Palmar jailed HoD night 1, the Channeler jailed you night 1 and the Angels targetted you night 1. Or even that Palmar and Angels both targetted you and for some godforsaken reason the Channeler jailed HoD. These are already two cases that explain the night actions that I pointed out earlier but people seemed fine to ignore.


I said it a few times and I'll say it again: I SUCK at reading people. I analyze facts. Fact is that Spaackle was one of the only connections with the goddamn flipped scum this game. Fact is that you forced things to look like HoD was a goddamn Angel even when he claimed the ONE role he couldn't as an Angel: IF he said a Demon was actually green, the Demons would push him to death because they would know he was an Angel, and we probably wouldn't even realize that. He had a fucking breadcrumb for his target against what others thought yet you still believed that he was an Angel.

AGH hopefully I can turn this shit around after the night actions. The corrupted town hopefully will check me and see my innocence, and as I'm pretty sure he is seen as town right now, I'm sure he'll be able to convince people. I have my guess as to who the CTown is, but if I told you right now then that would make AoD's job that much easier, right?

Good day.


And why do you think angel would have sot syllo day one ? Syllo was pushing for three non angel lynch. He had identified no angel at the time. He was basically working for the angels! Why would they shoot him ? to generate WIFOM ? That doesnt make much sense to me.

Concerning HoD, I agree I'm puzzled at his Sage Claim. I agree that he played very strangely (not to say scummy) this game, but i dont want to completely ignore his claim. I'm waiting for the nigth actions to resolve.


I don't think a scenario where Syllo was hit by AoD day 1 is super unlikely. Even though he was wrong on angel reads day 1 does not mean that the angels didn't fear him.

So AoD on syllo night 1 and then on wiggles night 2. That would mean they shot 2 veterans the first 2 nights. They didn't shoot Syllo night 2 as they were not sure if he was going to purgatory night 2 again (which he was) so they targeted the other vet they feared.

I'm NOT saying this is what happened. I'm just saying that i think it was a possibility. Just as its a possiblity that HoD is the AoD and thats why that we had no kill night 1 and a kill night 2.
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 16 2012 10:25 GMT
#1911
Jackal might very well be the last demon.
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 16 2012 10:30 GMT
#1920
On January 16 2012 19:29 Refallen wrote:
Acolyte can't kill sage


Yes he can
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 16 2012 10:32 GMT
#1923
On January 16 2012 19:30 Blazinghand wrote:
ok no wait, I got it-- syllo was killed because they thought he was the seer, right? why not invert it and have the acolyte kill syllo and the AoD kill HoD?


Either because HoD is not a sage, and the angels know.

Or because the acolyte is dead (RoL?) and they can't
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 16 2012 10:33 GMT
#1927
On January 16 2012 19:32 Refallen wrote:
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Every night, you may target a player to stalk. When you do so, choose one of: demon, corrupted town, or town with dark powers. If your target matches your choice, that player will be killed.


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Your study of the powers of light has enabled you to sense and counter demonic power. Each night, you may target a player to illuminate. You will receive "Demon" or "Not Demon" as a result, and your target will also be cleansed of corruption. You are immune to corruption. You win with the town.]


I don't think he's town with dark powers.


Or maybe the angels are as stupid as me and thought Acolyte could kill sage. I have assumed the entire game that acolyte could kill every blue town had.
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 16 2012 10:35 GMT
#1930
On January 16 2012 19:28 Blazinghand wrote:
OK so last question Refallen, before we move into the fun part:

Why is HoD alive right now? Spaackle was obvious the demon hunter kill. Why didn't the acolyte kill HoD?


If we assume that the Acolyte is dead (or is stupid like me and missed) it would make more sense to kill Syllo in hopes of getting town to lynch HoD by mislynch. We would never lynch syllo...
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 16 2012 10:38 GMT
#1932
What... how can it ever be 50% that RoL was acolyte?!?! He might have donw something completely different then what we are speculating here and have missed. There is 50% chance that RoL was the channeler and 50% chance that is was Wiggles.
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 16 2012 10:43 GMT
#1935
Without re-reading filters since last night my best scum targets would be Jackal and Tyrran. Both have played extremely passive. Tyrran have less then 2 pages of filter, which combined with his low experience, could point him as a "Scum scared of making mistakes"

Jackals have done shit all and I find it weird that he does not either push me more if he is so certain I'm scum or participate more in the discussion then he does.
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 16 2012 11:25 GMT
#1949
Sorry my brother called.

Don't claim who your used sense on yet. See where the day go and then if you find it beneficial later you can claim. I see no reason to give that info to everyone yet.
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 16 2012 11:33 GMT
#1955
Blue that post actually say that we should wait with lynching HoD and lynch RoL instead...
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 16 2012 11:39 GMT
#1958
On January 16 2012 20:35 Bluelightz wrote:
Okay then disregard that.

If you have any questions please do ask.


So you still think I'm scum? Or did my one-liner change your mind? X_X
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 16 2012 14:24 GMT
#1980
On January 16 2012 08:30 Refallen wrote:
You know, I apologize if it seems like I'm not putting any effort into the game. I actually check this thread every 10-20 minutes when I'm awake. Perhaps it seems I am inactive because I'm asleep during the time where everyone is posting, and that's frustrating tome too.

Right now, I find many people suspicious, and it's kind of frustrating for me. Spaackle/Bluelightz/Dirkzor/Tyrran seem to me to be all good targets for a lynch or a night hit.

I'll focus on Dirkzor for this post though.

-> Goes ballistic at syllo after the Erandorr switch

And?

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I'm looking through Cwave's filter.

He looks fishy. Not only for saying he thinks i'm scum several times with the only reasoning is a weak ass "case" about my first post and because It found a difference in the OP and Zbot vote count post. But more so because he havent said anything else the entire first day. He have spend the entire day 1 pointing out the obvious:
RoL arent posting,
Jackal have done nothing but hate palmar (But i must admit i found his post on Jackal amusing =))

He haven't taken a stance on anything and voted Erandorr with the reason that he is lurking.

I'll keep an eye on him...


Cwave was town, but whatever, this dosen't say much, many people thought Cwave was scummy.


But you added it anyway because?


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See, all i have is your word for it.

But i guess we can lynch him and if he flips town we lynch you...


This is a really scummy statement to make.

Why?

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Hokay. Finally something i can actually respond to. Why would I defend palmar if we are on the same team? Especially when several people already want to lynch him. The chance for palmar to get lynched are relativly high as I see it, so if he flips scum and i defended him I could just aswell have voted to lynch myself.

I'm very unsure about palmar at the moment and i have yet to see a case which is not "This is not Town palmar". Besides that there aren't really anything against him. I don't know the meta on you guys so i have no clue. Thats why i asked syllo a few times about his opinion on palmar.

What does strike me about palmar is that he shifted gear mid day 1. He posted a lot more and became more agressive after being called out on not doing exactly that. The case wiggles made kinda fell a part because wiggles lied (intentionally or not, that was one of the few parts that were not meta).

Which leaves me with a null read on palmar.

And i don't see how my argument against syllo is stupid. If he knows him aswell as he saids then there are 2 possibilities if Palmar flip town:
1) Syllo don't know him as well as he thought
2) Syllo lied and he is scum.


Tries to defend Palmar, and yet adds a disclaimer that he wouldn't defend Palmar if they were on the same scum team. What townie does that?


This post was not a defence of palmar. It was me saying that I did not know about palmer because all cases made against was purely meta at that point. Something I don't know about and can not argue for or against. The answer to your question: A townie that is very confused why the vets are saying "he is 100% scum" when i can't see that. If we took Palmars posts up until this point compared to, lets say, Bluelightz, palmar actually looked good. The case on Palmar was only because people knew from before which I dont.



I think RoL is a stupid lynch. I think it was syllo who wrote that you have to consider why a person suggest a plan. I honestly believe that RoL think it is a good plan and that is why he is fighting for it so much. The plan is well thought out and well delivered. RoL seems to think the blues are dispossable for 4 confirmed townies leaving us with a 5/13 scum scenario instead of 5/17. I disagree and would rather go 5/17 with blue support.


From this

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The way I see it is that HoD and RoL is both a lynch i can support.


To this, when it is clear that everyone was hopping on the RoL/HoD bandwagon.

Yup, I think he might be RoL's teammate.


Lets add timestamps on those quotes:

On January 11 2012 03:38 Dirkzor wrote:
I think RoL is a stupid lynch. I think it was syllo who wrote that you have to consider why a person suggest a plan. I honestly believe that RoL think it is a good plan and that is why he is fighting for it so much. The plan is well thought out and well delivered. RoL seems to think the blues are dispossable for 4 confirmed townies leaving us with a 5/13 scum scenario instead of 5/17. I disagree and would rather go 5/17 with blue support.
I agree that he was inactive the first day serving us excuses, but thats about all he have done wrong if you disregard his plan and defence thereof.


On January 15 2012 02:07 Dirkzor wrote:
The way I see it is that HoD and RoL is both a lynch i can support.


Are you kidding me? 4 Days between the posts and A LOT happened during those days regarding RoL. Also you only quoted the part where i gave my opinion of RoL. What about the rest of the posts where I point out my reasoning.

Your case is horrible which is why i never answered it in the first place.
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 16 2012 14:27 GMT
#1981
On January 16 2012 22:36 Jackal58 wrote:
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On January 16 2012 20:49 Refallen wrote:
Jackal where are you?

Just got to work and getting caught up.
Layabout - Wtf is up with your vote. BH is so freaking town it's not even funny. Your vote hits me as a PSA from scum screaming "here I am"


Eh? Lay haven't voted yet... do you mean it the other way around?
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 16 2012 14:49 GMT
#1984
On January 14 2012 13:25 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Oh hai bandwagon.

I am the sage.


So no. He did not claim Seer. He claimed sage.
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 16 2012 14:57 GMT
#1986
Twist does nothing for a demon targeted by the Demon hunter.

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Denmark1944 Posts
January 16 2012 16:25 GMT
#1989
I think Grack is a bad lynch.

If we believe that HoD is the sage, he is not a demon. He might still be angel but it just overall lowers our chance of hitting scum.

If we do not believe HoD is sage, we should lynch HoD.
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 16 2012 19:57 GMT
#2000
I'm here. Currently re-reading from page 90 and onwards. My gut is telling me to lynch HoD, but my gut have been wrong the entire game... So I'm re-reading to try and figure this out...
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 16 2012 20:32 GMT
#2006
Shit
Fuck
Bull
Crap
ARGH!

That lay was twisted and HoD targeted him just seems to good to be true. That way HoD did not have to come up with another statement that could or could not be right. I think he got lucky on the grack claim, or his team (angels) knew he wasnt a demon because the acolyte tried to kill him and it was then safe to say he got Not demon.

RoL claimed Channeler because angels knew our plan to put HoD in purgatory (which of course wouldn't happen). They hoped it would confuse town enough to let HoD live today and lynch someone else.

##Vote HoD
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 16 2012 20:33 GMT
#2007
Eh... hold that thought. I won't vote yet... No hammer time yet
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 16 2012 20:42 GMT
#2009
hmm... I think a bluelightz lynch is a very weird lynch at this point. With so much info on layabout/HoD I think it would be better to figure out which one of them is scum - if not both?

I just thought i had figured it out with my above post but as soon as i posted it something else came up and folded my theory.

I'm just lost.
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 16 2012 21:22 GMT
#2011
HoD allignment boils down to this:

Was RoL telling the truth about him being the channeler?
- If yes
Wiggles was the sage and HoD can easily be lying.
- If no
Wiggles was the channeler and HoD is telling the truth. There is no counter claim.

Thats the answer I'm trying to find and I can't.

On January 16 2012 19:00 Blazinghand wrote:
Let me tell you my reasoning on this subject.

After the lynch I did some research and thought RoL was the channeller. and here's why.

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On January 15 2012 00:54 Zona wrote:
The Q&A post has been updated with new questions and their answers

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On December 28 2011 15:41 Zona wrote:
Can the town channeller choose not to act, and can he choose to perform his action on himself?

Yes, the town channeler can choose not to act, and no, the channeler cannot target him/herself.



If Wiggles was long dead, why did on January 15 at 00:54 KST someone ask about the channeler's self-protecting ability?

No, that was RoL, deciding if he should claim or not. He is aggressively going after me, then here:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603&user=41447&currentpage=5

in his filter, you see him change tack, just after the new Q+A is added. he no longer attacks me and rather comfortably decides to claim.


Why would RoL need to know the answer to that question if he was a lying angel? Why would he need to know if he was the channeler?

If he was lying angel scum he would like to know if he could not banish in order to make up some story why he didn't use his powers since he didn't have any, but the other question is entirely irrelevant.
If he was the real deal he would like to know if he could banish himself = to save himself. That is clear from the OP - which i assume he have read. Why the need to know if he could not banish?

Note:
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Once the game begins (roles have been distributed), players should ask their questions about the game via PM. If any questions do involve legitimately unclear, or missing and necessary public information, the question will be publicly answered in the thread without identifying the person asking the question (the question may possibly be paraphrased). If any questions do involve legitimately unclear, or missing and necessary private information, the question will be privately answered by PM


To further investigate this I took a look at the timeline.

HoD's claim.
On January 14 2012 13:25 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
Oh hai bandwagon.

I am the sage.

RoL first post after the claim from HoD
On January 14 2012 23:42 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
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On January 14 2012 22:40 layabout wrote:
Nothing about HoD defence suggests to me that he is town.
But banishing him allows us to determine whether he is the AoD.
(it is improbable that he would be banished, the AoD would be somebody else, and they would then miss).

Rest of the post deleted

Zona's update of Q&A. Little more then an hour after RoL had come back to the thread. The timeline fits with RoL PM'ing that question to Zona.
On January 15 2012 00:54 Zona wrote:
The Q&A post has been updated with new questions and their answers

RoL's claim:
On January 15 2012 06:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I am working and just turned my laptop on in the back. It's pathetic that it even came to this, I have no idea how you managed to scrounge up 5 votes on me, but the fact now is they need one more vote before demons can force hammer me with the corrupted.

So now I have to claim, I am the Channeler. I need to finish closing now, but I will be back before the deadline. I will prove myself by claiming my action before the next day post.

Reading that now makes me wonder how I came to another conclusion when it was posted. This doesn't look like an angel trying to lie. This looks like a townie who have given up. He was going to get killed and he realized that. Compare that to HoD claim which was way more elaborate and constructed.

So all in all I believe RoL's claim more then HoD. Anyone agrees/disagrees?

Also i would like your statement on the first paragraph (HoD allignment part) whether you think it have any merits?
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 17 2012 10:05 GMT
#2081
BH did you read my peice on why i Believe RoL's claim instead of HoD's?

Refallen is looking scummy to me lately. If you look at his activity level it have been kinda low the entire game. But these last few days he have been VERY active. He haven't had a correct read yet and is as of late constantly trying to get me lynched. Since i know I'm town i find that scummy.
He continue to state that HoD is the sage as if it is a fact. It is NOT. He is pushing all the easy targets: Myself, Tyrran and Bluelightz. He say Layabout is demon because Lay want to lynch HoD (as angel = Refallen's buddy)
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 17 2012 10:29 GMT
#2083
I think he is town.

If HoD is lying grack would have pushed HoD harder.

If HoD is telling the truth he is not demon, and i don't see him as angel (Don't see him as any scum tbh)
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 17 2012 10:30 GMT
#2084
I'll skim his filter again
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 17 2012 11:43 GMT
#2088
Because Wiggles could be the sage and RoL was the real channeler... how is that not obvious?
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 17 2012 11:45 GMT
#2089
And also if you think I'm scum tell me why. Because your last attempt to set me up as scum was bad and since then you just stated that you think I'm scum expecting Jackal to back you up since he called me scum the entire game... Thats why I'm an easy target right now...
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Dirkzor
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 17 2012 11:54 GMT
#2091
READ THE FUCKING THREAD!

READ THE FUCKING THREAD, part 2

So yeah I agree with you on the VT claim before his blue claim. But RoL addressed this (wont find his post as im in a hurry now) with him wanting to get the ball rolling on the claims. If no one supported his plan he did not want to claim a blue role. I agree that a better way would be to just not claim VT, but I don't fund it unlikely that it could have been the other way around.

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Denmark1944 Posts
January 17 2012 14:19 GMT
#2098
On January 17 2012 21:07 Refallen wrote:
The moment he claimed VT and still proposed the plan is definite-confirmed scum. There is no justification for claiming VT, no matter what RoL says. Imagine if we actually adopted the plan and started claiming. If RoL says all of a sudden, as sage, that "oh sorry guys i'm blue haha" town would lynch him instantly.


Wrong. After RoL claimed VT he could later have claimed channeler without it looking suspicious. As he had already claimed VT he could wait for everyone else to claim. The channeler would be missing and he could then claim channeler and most would believe him because no one else claimed channeler. If someone else claimed channeler before him he could counter-claim and town would lynch RoL (and get channeler), but after that we would lycnh the person who claimed channeler as he was lying.

I'm agreeing more and more with Layabout. It appears as Refallen and HoD are buddy-ing up. They are getting their story straight as they say.

Now the big question is: Which one is the AoD? HoD would be the obvious choice. Unless AoD hit Syllo first night which I don't think is unlikely.

I want to lynch Refallen or HoD as of now.
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 17 2012 14:41 GMT
#2101
I'm neither a demon nor an angel. Thats why you can't figure out what I am.. I'm town!

I'm just not convinced that RoL = scum, and i find it weird that you just assume that as if it is a fact.
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 17 2012 20:28 GMT
#2154
I want to vote HoD or Refallen as i said earlier...

refallen then?
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 17 2012 20:29 GMT
#2155
Blazinghand you should still vote! Then we can see if someone changed it or not... might be demons won't change it at all...
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 17 2012 20:34 GMT
#2160
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603&currentpage=105#2081

Not a case, but my short reasoning for his scummyness. Combine that with a constant null read throught out the game until syllo died.
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 17 2012 20:39 GMT
#2162
I can vote HoD...

(Am I invisible this game?)
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 17 2012 20:44 GMT
#2165
Apparently I am invisible... cool...

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On January 17 2012 23:19 Dirkzor wrote:
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On January 17 2012 21:07 Refallen wrote:
The moment he claimed VT and still proposed the plan is definite-confirmed scum. There is no justification for claiming VT, no matter what RoL says. Imagine if we actually adopted the plan and started claiming. If RoL says all of a sudden, as sage, that "oh sorry guys i'm blue haha" town would lynch him instantly.


Wrong. After RoL claimed VT he could later have claimed channeler without it looking suspicious. As he had already claimed VT he could wait for everyone else to claim. The channeler would be missing and he could then claim channeler and most would believe him because no one else claimed channeler. If someone else claimed channeler before him he could counter-claim and town would lynch RoL (and get channeler), but after that we would lycnh the person who claimed channeler as he was lying.

I'm agreeing more and more with Layabout. It appears as Refallen and HoD are buddy-ing up. They are getting their story straight as they say.

Now the big question is: Which one is the AoD? HoD would be the obvious choice. Unless AoD hit Syllo first night which I don't think is unlikely.

I want to lynch Refallen or HoD as of now.

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Denmark1944 Posts
January 17 2012 20:48 GMT
#2169
BH, since they moved your vote... doesnt that mean that the demons answered you "Move my vote"-code (rimes!) shinanigans?
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 17 2012 21:09 GMT
#2177
Voting Refallen... I should be sleeping within the hour... I'll post when i leave the thread...
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 17 2012 21:34 GMT
#2184
We could all switch to Jackal... at least we are at 5 votes then :D
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 17 2012 21:39 GMT
#2187
It was a joke... 4 or 5 votes don't matter... And i think Jackal is a bad lynch today..
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 17 2012 22:02 GMT
#2192
Actually i regret the part about cwave. All i wanted was to pressure him to post some more. It worked like a charm but the vote and the way i wrote it was overboard. Well lesson learned.

All the things about RoL and my change of view on him I feel i've justified by logic and reasoning.
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 17 2012 22:05 GMT
#2195
Your case on Jackal is likely to my own read on him. While I don't see anything that sticks out as scummy, what worry me is that I don't see anything sticking out at all.

I'm going to bed very soon so a conclusion to this qould be fantastic.

Also: Who benefits from a no lynch? Both demon and Angels? or mostly angels?
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 17 2012 22:15 GMT
#2203
Wiggles was seer and Syllo was what? demon? vt?
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 17 2012 22:22 GMT
#2211
Okay... I'm going to bed now. I'll set my alarm to 30 min before lynch to come back and vote switch or what not.

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If a plane crash over denmark tomorrow night because I'm tired as shit TL Mafia is to blame
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 18 2012 00:45 GMT
#2298
Im here and just skimmed the thread

So jackal? Sure... Have a feeling we'll miss... But I'll be voting Jackal now

Also: I'm not a pilot... I'm more cool then that
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 18 2012 00:50 GMT
#2304
WTF? :D
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 18 2012 00:51 GMT
#2306
Even more anticlimatic then the last lynch... =(

Well back to bed.
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 18 2012 00:53 GMT
#2308
On January 18 2012 09:53 Grackaroni wrote:
LOL bluelightz was right! Jackal is town/scum.


HAHAHAHA!!! BL is the shizzle!
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 18 2012 08:53 GMT
#2334
Sweet!

We got an angel! =) Who wants his head in the throphy room?

Okay what do we got:

BH = Corrupted townie (Unconfirmed - but no counter claim)
Refallen = DH (Unconfirmed - but no counter claim)
HoD = Sage (Unconfirmed - "Some reason why he probably is the sage")

That leave me with 5 people left who can be scum with 2--3 (assuming) scum remaining.

Bluelightz: Fucking null read. Have given us nothing to work with. Could be anything. Jackal didn't really give us anything either... I don't know.
Grackaroni: Not demon. Town in my book.
layabout: Had a town read on him for a long time. Have to reread his filter later to determine anything.
Tyrran: Scum
Zephirdd: Scum
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 18 2012 18:24 GMT
#2349
I haven't read Layabouts filter yet, so I can't make a final decision on him. As i wrote I've had a town read on him for the first period of the game but the way things turned out during last lynch might change my veiw.

While your overview is good, and I won't deny that it is highly probably, you do make a lot of assumptions. I'll just point out one that will make everything fold: What if Wiggles was vt?

Anyway, I have found Tyrran scummy for a while.

I've read most of your filter (again) Zephirrrrrrd ( ) and I must admit I see you acting the same way I am/would: Confused and frustrated because the reads you make are proved wrong. So maybe you aren't scum... =/
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Denmark1944 Posts
January 19 2012 07:40 GMT
#2418
I was not corrupted.

That means bluelightz have to be the corrupted one (or demons did not corrupt anyone?)

So basicly the choice is between Grack and Zephirdd for the last angel (for me at least since i know my own town status). Will read their filters later.

To make a run down of a scenario without DH kills during the night:

    Night 5: 6v1
  • Day 6: AoD kills one. 5v1
    Night 6: Lynch 5v1
    Day 7: AoD kills one 4v1
    Night 7: Lynch 3v1
    Day 8: 2v1 and LYLO
With DH kills:
  • Night 5: 6v1
    Day 6: AoD and DH kills one each 4v1
    Night 6: Lynch 3v1
    Day 7: AoD and DH kills one each. 1v1 = Angel wins.
Or

  • Night 5: 6v1
    Day 6: AoD kills DH and DH kills one 4v1
    Night 6: Lynch 3v1
    Day 7: AoD kills one 2v1 LYLO
Both scenarios assume that DH miss. I see scenario 2 as the most likely to happen as AoD would take out a confirmed townie + a possible DT check from the DH.

There are 3 confirmed townies with 4 unconfirmed. Whatever way we do this we will end up with only 2 kills divided between the 4 unconfirmed and worst case is LYLO with 1 confirmed, 1 unconfirmed and 1 angel.

For me this is no problem as I personally only have 3 unconfirmed townies: Grack, Zephirdd and Bluelightz. So with me at LYLO town would win (if I could convince the last confirmed townie...)

In the end I think the DH should use his powers during the night because:
  • He kills an unconfirmed townie
  • He don't kill the target and the target is the angel whom we then lynch. This will shorten the process and give us a higher chance to end this before LYLO.


Of course if Bluelightz come back and claim CT this was all for nothing...

TLDR: DH should shoot!
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 19 2012 07:42 GMT
#2419
Bah I worked so hard on that BBCode and still failed... I hope my post is not as confusing.. i tried to set it up to be easy to read..
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 19 2012 10:51 GMT
#2427
This seems fairly simple then.

Refallen kills whoever he deem the most scummy of myself, grack or Zephirdd and we lynch one of the two left standing. If angel isn't dead by then, its the last remaining who is the angel (or if Refallens target didn't die, he is the angel)

This plan can only fall apart if BH sense on Bluelightz come back "Not dark".

Since i've read zephirdd's filter and didn't found him particularly scummy, and i've read the first few pages of Grack's filter where some things looked weird I think Grack is the last Angel. Will finish gracks filter and point out what i stumpled upon later.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 19 2012 14:01 GMT
#2434
Grack is the last angel.

After RoL mentioned his plan Grack didn't post until 9 hours later:
On January 09 2012 09:13 Grackaroni wrote:
It looks like there's a lot of holes in this plan.
It's bad when 1 scum player claims chaneller, It's bad if scum players just claim VT.
Just stick to analysis, Zona put in roles to prevent mass roleclaims from being a good strategy.

This was after atleast 6 other had already said it was a bad plan. His reasons for rejecting the plan also seems rather weird. The time between RoL plan and his post are the time Grack normally post si believe he was actively lurking to see how town recieved the plan. Note that Jackal never once mentioned the plan.

After RoL was lynched ???:

On January 15 2012 07:23 Grackaroni wrote:
RoL is scum but I don't understand why everybody assumes Angel over demon. is it because of the way he's been interacting with HoD?


Grack have stated several times that he think RoL is scummy but each time he have pushed someone else in an attempt to move focus to another:

On January 13 2012 07:55 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2012 12:05 HarbingerOfDoom wrote:
@Grackaroni, Spaackle, Cwave
I would like to hear a couple scum reads from each of you, along with brief explanations.

@Jackal
Zbot can count votes from a thread, not sure why Zona chose to use PM's for voting for this game (maybe because of the corrupted town deal?), but so be it. That thing is still fucking cool.

I think that RoL is scummy, and I've already explained a bit on him earlier. He is putting a lot of time into the game but not in scumhunting but instead in making an anti-town plan.

Spaackle is also probably scum.

Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 11:30 Spaackle wrote:
Palmar:Filter (clicky)
1) Get Information -- Palmar has been pretty active in this goal. He's been putting forth a lots of questions (even if no one answers them). He also pressured Bluelightz for a good while, trying to get an actual response out of him. He's also been putting lots of pressure on Wiggles, but this was mostly in response to Wiggles' accusation of him. I'd like to see a bit more justification out of him though.

2) Create an Atmosphere -- Palmar has been acting pretty town here too. He's been answering questions, and in turn posing many more. His posting hasn't been very reactionary, and for the most part, he's been trying to keep the town discussing relevant subjects.

3) Figure out Plans -- As I said in the risk.nuke analysis, there's hasn't been much of this in this game. Palmar is one of the closest to actually doing this. He's been trying to keep discussion relevant, and I guess this eventually leads to plans.

Palmar is looking like a townie to me, but don't stop watching him.

His way of coming to the conclusion that Palmar is town looks suspect to me. He says he hasn't been very reactionary but Palmar only showed up when a case was made against him by Wiggles. His pressure on bluelightz was just a way of pretending to be participating. I just don't know how you could confidently jump to the conclusion that Palmar is town from the information he was giving.
He also shows a lot of wishy-washyness during the RoL lynch.
And of course he is lurking.

Note the short timespan between the posts
On January 13 2012 10:19 Grackaroni wrote:
I think it was in response to Zephirdd's theory about him.
RoL has gone long enough delaying scumhunting, I think he's scum.
##Vote: RebirthofLegend

On January 14 2012 00:18 Grackaroni wrote:
I don't think BH is nearly as pro-town as people think he is.
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 08:56 Palmar wrote:
On January 08 2012 08:53 syllogism wrote:
Palmar why won't you switch? Will you switch if we can get enough?


Erandorr has done nothing this game that warrants me giving him the "I'll rather no-lynch than lynch a townie" treatment, however, despite risk's last effort, do you not think he overreacted to you calling him out? Claiming that plan that literally was nothing but "I'm gonna post and see what people say", do you think he is honestly under the impression that this "plan" was so pro-town and vital, that it justifies attacking someone?

I actually thought risk.nuke was decent at the game.

But to answer your question, I'll be around for another half an hour or so, and there is no reason to protect erandorr.


Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 09:02 Blazinghand wrote:
On January 08 2012 08:56 Palmar wrote:
On January 08 2012 08:53 syllogism wrote:
Palmar why won't you switch? Will you switch if we can get enough?


Erandorr has done nothing this game


No this is wrong Erandorr has actively come to the thread and hustled us. Why on earth are his actions remotely acceptable

There have been times in this game where BH has blatantly not read the thread or is misinterpreting posts.
He likes to focus in on people who he feels are useless such as his case for Bluelightz (which only showed that he was anti-town) his case on erandorr (he ignores the meta which only proves that he is inactive and doesn't want to be modkilled) and finally his case on RoL (he's not scumhunting, his plan looks shitty)
You are not actually scumhunting, you just lock in on people acting anti-town and tunnel them for the rest of the day to make yourself look good. you grab all their quotes and make a "case" but in reality it actually resembles what bluelightz' cases look like.
Your play is legitimately worse than in Student.
I am still suspicious of how long it took RoL to start scumhunting but at least he finally started.
@BH: why not look into a player more active rather than only focusing on players doing nothing? there's 5 scum to catch.


And Grack last posts basicly saids: I don't give a shit, I've lost already.
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Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 19 2012 16:31 GMT
#2438
Why not Zephirdd? Stopped reading the thread? Blue is the CT and will (Hopefully) be confirmed after this night phase...
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Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 19 2012 17:37 GMT
#2441
But you're still leaving out an unconfirmed townie. Its not only if bluelightz is the scum. Any scum would benefit from one less confirmed townie...
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 19 2012 18:33 GMT
#2447
hahahaha...

Picture HoD saying that long part in one breath... nearly running out but finishing anyway... Take a deep breath and then just angrily say: "Or I'm just the goddamn sage" :D
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 19 2012 19:08 GMT
#2449
Palmar was demon amirite?
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 19 2012 19:15 GMT
#2451
Oh... Yeah right... I'm tired Which is my queue to go to bed...

Refallen you can still change your mind and kill grack instead. But if you don't GL hitting Angel next time!
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 20 2012 07:10 GMT
#2470
Well... I think its quite clear who i think the last angel is and why. Grack is angel.

I read Zephirdd as town.

It might be bluelightz but hopefully you can get him confirmed...

I've never actually waited for my own death... It's a strange feeling =)
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 20 2012 09:10 GMT
#2474
I took the time to unspoiler it all... What an unfriendly comment in the end =(

+ Show Spoiler +
That many spioilers fucked up the site :D
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 21 2012 12:20 GMT
#2603
GG Everyone!

Thanks for hosting Zona!

My reads was completely wrong the entire game O_o WTB scumhunting skills! At least I was right about grack in the end but that was fairly obvious :D

Layabout played really well, i think. I saw him as town for a long time (too long!).

Any comments about my play are welcomed... here to learn =)
The Cwave vote thingy was aweful... that much I know.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
January 23 2012 09:20 GMT
#2695
On January 22 2012 10:48 Zephirdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 10:02 Refallen wrote:
I really think conceal should have been used on the risk.nuke lynch.

My shots were bad. This was the first time I'm playing as any vig role. Is there any tips or rule of thumbs I should know for vig shots?

Next, I felt like the demons really outted themselves by continuing to push HoD after he was pretty much nigh confirmed sage. I pointed this out and suddenly Tyrran and layabout (and Zeph and Dirk, wtf?) were on me, which made me think that these 4 were scum. I don't know how Zeph/Dirk thought that HoD was still unconfirmed as the sage.



Basically, "twisted" is too convenient, and there were some things that would make sense if HoD was an Angel. However let's say my mind is retarded, and loves conspiration theories.

I mean, I fucking thought Radfield was scum on XLVIII. How retarded is that?

It's easy to say that post-game, but ingame my mind just rolls around stupidly.


I feel we are kinda the same zephirdd... My mind is screwing me over big time and I see conspiracies everywhere :D Which is also why i changed my stance on you in the end efter i re-read your filter. You behaved exactly like i would have done...
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
Dirkzor
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark1944 Posts
February 01 2012 12:10 GMT
#2709
Thanks for the writeup Zona. And thanks for hosting.

About the PM votes and title of the PM's. I don't think its a problem. People are just used to voting via the thread (or thread made for voting) and then have to get used to PM'ing votes. The way it was used here and is used in Hammer mafia is something i really like. You get fast response on your (night)action and the end of day post are up very fast.
The only thing I would like was timestamps on the votes and devotes? Don't know if that would change any game mechanics though.

I hope that I'm in the B catagory of players and thats what I try to be.
"HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU ON TOP AGAIN???? HOW DO YOU KEEP DOING THIS????" -Julmust (also, thats what she said)
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