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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
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Tyrran
France777 Posts
@Jackal: You mention that HoD is a good lynch. Why do you think so ? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On January 14 2012 03:15 Tyrran wrote: @Blazinghand : Is there anyone other than RoL that you would like to lynch ? What is your stance on HoD and Dirkzor ? Yes. HoD: I don't think we can straight-up say he's the AoD as some have suggested. he'd be a decent DT check. Dirkzor: Haven't read his filter | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On January 14 2012 02:20 layabout wrote: What is poor about the decision to kill and experienced player that had already caught 1 scum this game? I just think it's a waste of game mechanics; Killing someone who people didn't knew would create a bigger confusion, as in "we don't know how many demons live". MrWiggles was obviously not a Demon, so it is kind of a waste of a mechanic. Granted, we don't know if he was a blue, but I don't think it matters as much at this point. I like Grack's case on Spaackle; I still have a hard time to understand why HoD was jailed n1, and by who. Maybe his posts about mechanics made Palmar want him roleblocked? No idea, but I can't see HoD as scum from his filter. RoL still looks like the best lynch, but we'll see what happens. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
What specifically do you like about Grack's case on Spaackle? Why do you think RoL is the best lynch bearing in mind that nearly every point made against him has been complete horseshit? Why are you completely disregarding the fact that the night actions suggest that HoD being the AoD is not only the most likely but the simplest explanation? I just think it's a waste of game mechanics; Killing someone who people didn't knew would create a bigger confusion, as in "we don't know how many demons live". MrWiggles was obviously not a Demon, so it is kind of a waste of a mechanic. Granted, we don't know if he was a blue, but I don't think it matters as much at this point "not knowing how many demons live" - the ????-flip aspect ensures town do not KNOW how many demons live. Do you not think that the function of killing power is to remove threats to angels and that while the ????-flip serves to deny information in addition to removing a threat the ????-flip is not the point of the kill. Threats include strong town players and players people think are likely town as they are more likely to listen to someone they think is town than someone they think is scum. Threats also include blue roles. Can you think of any players that if killed and flipped ???? would leave sufficient confusion to justify the angels using their only reliable KP on, over a player that looked like a blue, demon or is strong at scumhunting? Why do you think the goal of the kill is to cause confusion????????????????????????????????????????????????????? | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On January 14 2012 03:15 Tyrran wrote: @Blazinghand : Is there anyone other than RoL that you would like to lynch ? What is your stance on HoD and Dirkzor ? @Jackal: You mention that HoD is a good lynch. Why do you think so ? Fair probability he is AoD. On January 14 2012 03:18 Blazinghand wrote: Yes. HoD: I don't think we can straight-up say he's the AoD as some have suggested. he'd be a decent DT check. Dirkzor: Haven't read his filter No we can't. But there is a greater chance of him than any other I could name. Please read Dirkzor's filter. | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On January 14 2012 04:16 layabout wrote: @Zephird What specifically do you like about Grack's case on Spaackle? Why do you think RoL is the best lynch bearing in mind that nearly every point made against him has been complete horseshit? Why are you completely disregarding the fact that the night actions suggest that HoD being the AoD is not only the most likely but the simplest explanation? "not knowing how many demons live" - the ????-flip aspect ensures town do not KNOW how many demons live. Do you not think that the function of killing power is to remove threats to angels and that while the ????-flip serves to deny information in addition to removing a threat the ????-flip is not the point of the kill. Threats include strong town players and players people think are likely town as they are more likely to listen to someone they think is town than someone they think is scum. Threats also include blue roles. Can you think of any players that if killed and flipped ???? would leave sufficient confusion to justify the angels using their only reliable KP on, over a player that looked like a blue, demon or is strong at scumhunting? Why do you think the goal of the kill is to cause confusion????????????????????????????????????????????????????? I just think its an additional mechanic that could have been better. Imagine if they had sniped RoL. How would you say he was town, considering he didn't make his defense earlier? How would we use that to create possible connections with Blazinghand, as we wouldn't know if he was scum or not? Would we just move on and hope? Also, let me contradict myself right now. I'll vote Spaackle because I don't think that RoL is the best lynch anymore. Furthermore, Spaackle has been weird this game. Sup-optimal activity, LOLZ reads day 1(risk/Palmar both wrong) and specially the fact that his play has been: Estabilish day 1 activity with some town traits(like the 'analysis' he did on risk/Palmar) -> proceed to lurk and post useless things. Examples of scum on his posting Grack and cwave look a little scummy to me, seeing as they've both lurked a bit and not posted too much of actual value. However, there's much bigger fish to fry than them. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603¤tpage=74#1468 Cwave was town, and it's hypocrisy to say that Grack wasn't posting anything of value when you consider his filter. He won't say anything without being called on, and most of the time its wishy-washy posts without commitment. I've been saying this for a time, but Spaackle is scum. I liked Grack's case on him because it was a case on him and that's it, btw. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
Every time i log on and every time i F5 i feel sad. Can we please put EFFORT into this lynch and ensure that by the end of the day each candidate with a vote/votes has been discussed by all (even if there are just short BUT VALID criticisms) and there are clear outlined cases as to why people believe that player has a high chance of being an Angel/Demon. We cannot afford to keep lynching townies. We cannot afford to mindlessly follow poor/absent cases or continue to vote for people because players in the thread repeatedly shout that a Player is scum. If you are present and see that nobody has written anything or that discussion has been dead for several hours, make an effort to produce useful discussion. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On January 14 2012 06:03 Blazinghand wrote: As an aside I would be hesitant to refer to RoL's OMGUS as "scumhunting" you guys You friggin' asked for someone to do a case against you if he believed you were scum No offense BH, but many of your posts have been garbage as well. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On January 14 2012 00:52 Dirkzor wrote: Jackal.. Have you forgotten me? I was so used to your devoted attention! Assuming Wiggles was town, and i assume that, it puts more pressure on RoL. That was the last person that Wiggles talked about (and attacking me about). Combine that with a wall-of-text case that is actually not very big in terms of content I see RoL as more scummy then before he started scumhunting. His case is just not good, its just long so it appears to be good/solid. Long is not always better. This is such sound logic! I am going to kill one of my attackers further implicating me. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On January 14 2012 06:11 Zephirdd wrote: You friggin' asked for someone to do a case against you if he believed you were scum No offense BH, but many of your posts have been garbage as well. I mean, it's obviously preferable to RoL lurking etc, but it would be nice to hear his opinion on anything else as well. Or if his case had any merit. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On January 14 2012 06:13 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: This is such sound logic! I am going to kill one of my attackers further implicating me. I thought he was just making a penis joke. Speaking of Giant Dicks Do you really think that we should lynch Blazinghand if want to kill scum? If you want a nice thread then sure. But your case isn't very compelling, and it seems highly unlikely that you will get BH lynched. So what are you going to do about the lynch? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
I'm actually somewhat interested, RoL: What are your thoughts on anyone in this game who's not me? If you're not lynching me (and trust me, you're not), who should we target? | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
RoL, go post something useful. Everyone else, go post. Everyone, vote Spaackle. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
Or convince us that he is scum. Or tell us who your scumbuddy/buddies are. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
On January 14 2012 01:44 Blazinghand wrote: Well, RoL, it looks like you've finally decided to make a case. It took till D3 ingame and several days of harassment but you're finally doing something that may nominally appear to be useful. However, your case is against me, so I will defend myself. I don't count out the scumhunting efforts of scum automatically in this game because there are two factions-- you could well believe your own case, and be a Demon trying to edge his team back into this game, etc. Without further ado, my point-by-point rebuttals: To be fair, the actual length of my filter (in terms of word count rather than, say, post count) isn't so bad. Most my posts are overwhelmingly short except for my analysis posts, which are few but long. My filter is susbtantially longer than average for this game, but not so much that it's some herculean feat to actually read it. I gladly encourage people to read and think for themselves rather than blindly accepting what RoL has to say (or even what *I* have to say, as a matter of principle) about any person's filter. By the end of day two, my filter didn't do nothing-- I successfully, erm, pushed an Erandorr lynch. Now, granted, Erandorr flipped town, but most people thought he was scum, and voted their thoughts. It wasn't like I was posting mindless drivel. Your filter sucks and is massive regardless of how you look at it. Way to try to defend the Erandorr lynch by shoving it off on to other people. I didn't even mention that but your defensiveness on the issue is worth noting. The setup posting was minor? ._. there was nothing else to talk about. I don't know why you brought this up. If you don't feel this is an important part of your case, then I will not address it other than this: I wanted us to share plans, so I could promote a healthy town discussion and find scum. Someone shared plans-- and that person happened to be scum, and it became clear from his horrid, terrible plan (at least to me) that this was the case. This is not inconsistent with me wanting us to share plans. I told you I could accept that it was minor and not a huge tell, but given that your day 2 posting was scummy as shit it was worth mentioning as an additive. Nice way to twist your words to justify getting up my ass. Regardless of how scummy you perceived my plan itself as, everyone else saw the way I was pushing it and how passionately I fought for it as being town. You seem to be the only outlier on that issue. ' Um, ok so I don't know if you actually read my posts, but I'm basically saying I think Mr. Wiggle's arguments are completely shitty and I make up my own to attack Palmar with. At that time of my post, I seriously entertained the idea that they were both scum from different factions. The idea that I'm at once "aggressive and abrasive" but also "afraid to stick my neck out" is dumb. Let me show you the key areas of my case against Palmar where I basically smack down Mr. Wiggles: " " what, you think I wouldn't remember MY OWN CASE? I didn't steal it from wiggles, I MADE IT UP MYSELF and SHAT UNREMORSEFULLY ON WIGGLES. That's right guys, I wasn't noncomittal, as RoL claims: I STUCK MY NECK the fuckk out and attacked both players. I said A) Palmar is scum B) Wiggles is right for the wrong reasons and I constructed my own case. Read the actual goddamn post before listening to RoL's bullshit: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=298603¤tpage=27#532 My case against Palmar speaks for itself. I will be continuing this, addressing RoL's second case post in my next post. This is a load of shit. You used wiggles arguments as a hinging point so if palmar flipped in a bad way you can blame him. You didn't "Shat all over wiggles", not even fucking close. Since when the fuck would I think Wiggles, in his aggression, overlooked a more legitimate way to take this argument to Palmar. Why DID Palmar do all that dayvig stuff when he could have just kept on pressing? The world may never know. Clearly Palmar was unhelpful and repetitive leading up to Wiggles' accusation. I'd consider that a serious problem. I think Wiggles' case is shitty, but not because Palmar isn't scummy. Wiggles just made some huge mistakes in presenting his case. Qualify as shitting all over someone? Hint: It doesn't. Your case against Palmar does speak for itself. You used wiggles arguments to create a point for you to start, mildly disagree with wiggles which could set him up for a day two lynch should the Palmar vote take off and then fail to hit scum, and then now that I call you out on it you try to completely exaggerate your negatively towards wiggles and your hostility towards palmar to justify your vote. Bullshit. | ||
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HarbingerOfDoom
United States508 Posts
First of all : "Assuming the angels use their acolyte to try to kill people with dark powers, which I assure you they will " If this isnt a angel claim, then i dont know what it is. Do what you want with your acolyte, but I really do not see why blues are priority target and demons/corrupted town are not. Killing the DH early would be really bad for angels. Killing a corrupted town however is really good for them. Why wouldnt they try to reduce the demons voting power ? You consider that claiming to be angel, and then you assert that they will go after demons/corrupted town instead, as well as assigning 0% probability to them targeting syllo night one. So I make an assertion about their decisions, it is me claiming angel, but when you do it then it is totally fine? Secondly : Wtf if this tl:dr ? Demons should win without using corrupt ? Are you going to argue next that Angels should win wihtout killing anyone ? I look forward to you hosting a normal game where scum has no KP and town has vigs because " well scum can just survive while everyone else dies". I said don't need to, as in it is possible for them to win without it, not should. Don't twist my words.This is your ultimate argument ? That my case against you did not fullfill the Syllogism's standard and therefore is, I quote : "Trolololol". Well, that sure makes you look town. I just found it amusing that after being specifically told to not make more 'contributions' using arguments that have already been made, you then do just that. That wasn't my ultimate argument, my argument was my long response post, obviously.Lastly : So Syllo is not AoD. Would the AoD have targeted Syllo N1 ? If you consider that 1) Syllo was very likely getting banished and 2) Syllo was pushing for lynching 3 non angel target ( palmar(Demon), Erandorr(VT), Risk(VT), ). There was absolutely no reason for AoD to shoot him N1. So either you are AoD, or he shot you. The only reason he would have shot you is by shooting randomly ( as you had no reason to be killed prior to any other player), meaning there was a 1/10th of a chance that you would get hit. This is just dumb.So it boils down to this: Either you are AoD, or you got shot which had about 10% chance of happening. Well, math says that there is 90% chance you are AoD. Also, I am beginning to think all of Tyrran's ridiculous statements such as saying there is no way Syllo would be targeted night one, or that every night kill is bad for demons are more likely to be just poor reasoning than a charade as scum. I just don't see how scum could be making all these bizarre assertions. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On December 28 2011 15:42 ZBot wrote: Vote count for the Day 3 Lynch. With 13 alive, 7 votes are required to lynch. Current votes: RebirthOfLeGenD (2): Grackaroni, Spaackle (1): Zephirdd Bluelightz (1): Jackal58 Blazinghand (1): RebirthOfLeGenD HarbingerOfDoom (1): Tyrran The Day 3 deadline is at January 15 2012 10:00 KST. (That's approximately 1 day, 2:46:32 from now.) | ||
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